Axes vs thick, tough leather - armor busters?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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It's 6mm (15 oz) vegetable tanned leather. A subscriber sent it to me, so I don't know where it's from.
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The tree's reaction to this test : "it's just a scratch !"
+scarfacemperor "'Tis but a resin wound!"
+Vallorn "a resin wound your branch is off"
Ozer Beha "No it isn't"
That tree used to have fruit.... til it took an axe to the trunk.
+Vallorn "what are you gonna do? grow on me?"
You know that tree's gonna be looking to get its revenge on you...
+IDidSawABear Come next spring it is gonna pollinate all over him and his nose is gonna get so stuffy he can't breath properly. REVENGE!!!
+Tavierloyal *starts humming the Last March of the Ents
+Tavierloyal Even better when you realize that pollen is essentially plant semen...
+IDidSawABear Later a branch is found to have dropped on his car and shattered the window. Quite mysterious since it was parked in a garage.
Point taken:
When facing an attacker armored with high density leather plates, swing your axe towards the plate edges.
Thanks Skall!
+Jaroslav Malec wouldn't a pommel be more effective
+gary kearney Just if you want to end him rightly ...
I would love to see this test repeated with the leather hardened. I have personally made some armor with this stuff and have hardened it, so id find that interesting.
I'm sure the tree loved having company over for the first time in 200 years lol.
+dreyrugr It wasn't harmed. It had an itch and Skallagrim scratched it.
+dreyrugr Yeah, that poor dead tree got mild damage done to it, might as well hunker down in your fallout shelter before the environment implodes in on itself.
The Creator I'm actually not trying to say this was bad, I'm not a tree hugger.
I can't understand why on youtube people often choose the worst interpretation of a phrase. I think all three of you are saying the same thing, yet you are almost fighting.
I think that the tree was happy to be of help...
Gabriele Alfredo Pini We are.
No harms were maked during the treeing of this video.
No trees were videoed during the making of this harm.
Now boil it, and try again!
Indeed!🙋
+Dickle Pickle NO, shoot it while it is boiling!
+Dickle Pickle Oh god no.The ricochet would probably kill Skallagrim instantly.
+VaanG0v this sounds like an inside joke like the pummel throwing. What am I missing?
+VaanG0v It could make it worse. It depends on temperature, time and method. There are several possibilities: baking; boiling in water, boiling in oil, soaking it in hot wax.... I have no idea which one would give the best result and chances are that you make it too brittle or shrink it too much.
I like this new way of you descirbing the cuts, If you wanted to try it out with this video, know that it sounds and looks better than the old ones in my opinion.
Hmm so the leather isn't so invincible after all. I guess it's time to test body armour made of 9-16 nokia 3310s.
Axes of any kind are by far my favorite weapon, they are so interesting!
Why?
@@KyussSpeed-sg5je Not him, but I'm guessing it's because they don't give a shit about armor.
@@gabzdark07 Can you elaborate on that? Do you mean that axes dont GAS about armour, or because the wielders or some third party don't? Your sentence is kind of confusing for me, sorry.
@@KyussSpeed-sg5je The axes, dude. They smash the bones beneath the armor, don't even need to cut the flesh.
Not to mention, with each blow, even thought you're not getting through the leather, you're probably breaking or at least fracturing ribs or arms, depending on what part of the body you're simulating hitting :) So either way, Axes would usually be an effective weapon against a large variety of armour~
Barry Hill multitool
Indeed but also you are not multiple tons of weight with the ultimate standing ability! The force would blow you so not get the full impact and damage…
he shall never give up on this leather.
I doubt the leather can withstand you throwing a pommel at it.
+AFCATFE Well, that's a given, obviously.
Love the addition of captions- please keep doing that! Really helps those of us with language processing difficulties or hearing difficulties :) all the best!
Moral of the story: the leather's pretty good for protecting limbs on its own, but for the chest you should add some ring armor to the mix. Also, don't mess with the lumberjacks. :)
Ring armour!?
@@KyussSpeed-sg5je chainmail
@@tundraspirits2061 *mail, I only responded that way to make it obvious that I thought he was stupid
Dude, your videos are AMAZING. Some people go for quality over quantity or vise versa, but for years you've managed to keep both amazingly entertaining videos and you produce them with haste. Much love to you and company!
Wow, that Danish axe is a nice piece of work. You can hear it sing every time it hits the tree. Beautiful
I appreciate the fact that you have added subtitles. Good video.
I really liked the way this was edited. Looked like something you would see on the history channel.
May i just say, the way you did this video I think was really good and professional and the video quality was amazing!!! Would love to see this kind of video again when you do sword testing and that kind of stuff. Great job man!! =D
Please upload more of this medieval sword fighting like in the beggining of the video. It is really cool!
Quality of the videos still getting better... Keep it up Skall!
I always like how educational his vids are
Your videos get a little better every time I log on.
Wow, when you get it right the Dane axe really bites in! Impressive!
Would've been interesting if you had tried mace and a warhammer aswell as a spear. I know that mace&warhammer are anti-platearmor but still interesting to see against leather nonetheless
+MrTuohitorvi Agreed, I'm curious what kind of damage, say, a squash or watermelon would take through leather armor.
+Morgannin well it would be squashed. Armor like this protects somewhat from slicing and stabbing and takes out some of the force, but the impact from Skall's hits would still be enough to knock a man over
Well I'd say the impact alone would crush any target regardless of what's covering it, short of plate armour.
+MrTuohitorvi Against leather armor it would cause internal damage, broken bones, muscles or organs, internal bleeding guaranteed
Blunt weapons do not worry about the armor. They deliver impact. The armor my still be intact, but the body under it will not be.
That last strike hit the edge of the leather, which made for an easier cut, this stuff is surprisingly durable!
Nice work on the video editing. It's not the reason I watch your channel (you can get your point across with simple shots), but it was excellent this time.
2:59 WELL IT STILL HAS FEELINGS YOU KNOW!!! :(
You can really notice the increased camera quality in these videos Skall, and the audio sounds great. Keep up the good work!
+Youngchux1
Hm, I was actually worried about the lower image quality due to the poor lighting as it was getting late.
I just took about a 4-5 mm piece of veg tan leather and stuck it in a pot full of pre-boiled water. I didn't boil it, but let it sit for no more than 5 mins. When it came out I used a clothes pin to make it into a circular cuff-like shape and let it air harden overnight. It shrunk, of course, but the thickness increased by 2-3 mm and it is rock hard. I tried stabbing it with a good quality hardened and tempered dagger and it would not penetrate. Haven't tried cutting it, but I bet it would provide pretty good protection against cuts and reminds me of a good quality plastic.
The audio problem seems fixed, sounded great to me, - also great video as always!
That leather is no joke. I've enjoyed watching you beat the crap out of it the last few videos XD
I like your editing of this video a lot. Seems more professional for some reason
Narrative audio quality was superb.
I don't normally check the "recommended for me" tab, just my subscriptions, but I found one of your videos about shield technique in there. After watching it I went to your channel to see your other videHOLY CRAP THERE ARE SO MANY!!! I'm going to spend the next month or two watching knife reviews and pre-modern weaponry I suppose. Subscribed. Best regards.
Nice video! I like the format too. :)
I really enjoyed the format of this video. Keep up the great work +Skallagrim!
Nice narration and background music. Goes well with this kind of vids. Do it more often please :)
Interesting video. Really loving the filming and editing style.
First time I've been able to watch in HD, wow that new camera is epic. Great stuff.
Well, even if you did hit somebody with the axe, and it didn't go through the leather, it would break their rib cage regardless because of the impact. If you break the rib cage, a person is out of a fight.
+nyscout If such leather were used to make armor, it would probably be hardened by boiling (in wax, water, or oil), resulting in what amounts to leather plate.
Jonathan Hughes Okay, I see.
***** Indeed. Different types of armor have different strengths and weaknesses. Contrary to popular belief (caused, I think, by Dungeons & Dragons), armor isn't just a linear scale of protective efficiency.
while boiling it would make it harder. but making it harder makes it more brittle. may not be much. but may be enough to eventually start cracking the leather.
+Jonathan Hughes Yes, but that won't stop all the blunt force, it would still break bones, even through metal armour, the pure force will injure you when using weapons that apply plenty of force, axes for example.
Harming trees is not that big of a deal, especially if they're plentiful, Skall. Anybody that bitches about it really needs to reevaluate their lives.
They have souls.... geez. :)
Dùbhghlas MacDùbhghlas Think what you will, it is your right.
NecroBanana i was joking.
+NecroBanana Trees are important. Killing a tree isn't as bad as killing a human or someone's dog (or even a cat), but it's worse than killing, say, a squirrel or a rabbit.
+Timothy McLean How is killing a tree worse than killing a rabbit or a squirrel!?
I am still impressed. That took a lot of force to get though that leather.
You should look into getting the Gransfors Bruk DOUBLE BIT axe! Would be really nice to see a review and see it in action with your opinion as well. Keep in mind it comes with 2 diffrent handle lengths the longer one makes it more useful for chopping but then then it isnt allowed to be entered in axe throwing competitions, only the shorter handle is allowed for throwing competitions. That was long winded lol
I love that Dane Axe. It looks much better than the Cold Steel Viking Axe I have.
+Jarl Anarch
Yep, it is.
+Jarl Anarch I thought you said Dante Axe for a second there. Thought that was kinda random...but no, it's just insomnia talking.
+Skallagrim That's surprising because Skall's favorite sword/knife manufacture is Cold Steel. XD
+pbsoccer Skall said he didn't like cold steel
+The hunter Pretty sure pbsoccer was being sarcastic.
I must say, I really enjoy your channel.
Very cool that you tested this! I have such thick leather at home too and I didn't know that it is so strong!
Btw you make very cool and informative videos.
Well , I think it's still safe to call leather an effective armor. It's certainly note late medieval plate mail, but then, late medieval plate mail is no substitute for a tank's armor, either, or some fancy futurey supersuit like the Halo armor. It does significantly better than nothing even if it can't stop the best cuts.
Plus, good luck hitting an attentive foe with one of those fully wound up strikes. No matter what your weapon is, against a foe with similar training, you're far more likely to get glancing blows. On an unarmored opponent, a glancing blow leaves a bleeding flesh wound, which adds a bit more pain and blood loss each time you get one. Thus, your enemy is a bit weaker and a bit more distracted as the battle progresses. The leather would do fine for cutting that effect down greatly, without hugely weighing the person down.
+rashkavar
The leather armor actually holds up much better than I imagined. However I feel one strike from a skilled axeman with that dane axe could chop half or a full arm clean off with that leather.... The tree is jut too hard. Leather armor can also suit better with climate change. It won't rust, provide warmth against cold and shelter the rain. It also make escape easier.
Scharlach Nachtfalter Fair point, but like I said, landing a solid blow on an enemy that's actually moving around, trying to parry and fighting back is kinda tough to start with. And it's not going to make you all but invincible the way high quality late-medieval plate does. I'd say it's the poor man's chainmail - wards off a lot of stuff, but not everything. Cheaper than chain because making all those links is a much more labor intensive process than curing leather, but not as durable or as effective.
+rashkavar the leather in that video is much thicker than normal
"normal" as defined by modern marketing standards. Given the lack of need for armor of the non-kevlar-and-ceramic variety in the world today, it's entirely possible the leather we produce today is significantly thinner than might have been used for armoring purposes back when weapons technology was not what it is today.
Also, while I don't know much about the leather production process (animal skin+nasty chemicals=leather is about all), if you can't produce thick enough leather naturally, you can layer it and stitch it together such that it effectively functions as a single, thicker piece.
Either way, a person trying to craft leather armor would come up with a solution. That's what humans do.
+rashkavar I myself am no medieval combatant expert but you are too sure of your hypotheticals. You seem to connect things without respect to the integrity of each variables. I envy a certain confidence but your work will be vain if you build with mere guesswork blocks.
First of all: nice video. Well explained, practical and yadayadayada.
Second: I really don't like the subtitles. I don't know what exactly about them bothers me, but i guess it makes the voiceover sound rather like a collection of catchphrases than the actual info it is. It is not easy to describe.
Keep up your channel and have a nice day.
Skall, could you ask the sub who sent you this were he got it from? It would be amazing to make some kind of light armour out of this! ;)
Also could you try boiling it? ^^
Next episode: Boiled leather resists gunshot, and pommels!
I'd like to know where as well as I can't find anything like it anywhere I've looked
Love the production value on this video Skall, very high quality and professional in my opinion, and that's not sarcasm, that's really what I think. Keep up the good work. :D
Very well edited and produced video. I really like the format. A great addition to your other more "presenter-like" videos. Could have benefited even more from a conclusion or summarising statement. Lighting was very nice, too (indoors and outdoors). Keep up the good work. I enjoy your channel immensely.
i thought war axes hadcurved / crescent blades because it makes it a lot easier to hit and forces even an oblique hit to transfer all the force onto a small point ( primary contact is always a single tangential point to the arc), but not designed so much for slashing. A shield bash using the edge hurts so much for the same reason.
Still no word from the outlandish wizard from whom this enchanted leather was gifted? What mystery left unsolved, to think of all the wondrous beasts that might be roaming out in the wilderness unslained...
This channel is so fucking awesome. Thank you for making these videos.
+Red Kraken
Thank you for watching them. :)
wow. those cut much cleaner than i expected
This leather piece proved to be a Spartan. Be careful with those tests Skall, it may fight you back...
Nicely done vid and tests. Those are two sweet axes.
I like the way you are testing this leather and it make me remember a leather armor used by patagonian natives. It was made by up to 7 layers of relatively thin but hardened leather (whith fur inward) usually Guanaco leather (a large lama) The layers where tightly stitched and covered the torso and upper legs.
This armour standed against spanish colonial weapons and later wars against Argentinean and Chilean expeditionary armies. Althoug they cant stop bullets; swords, sabers and spears where the main weapons used by colonial forces here. (After this history lesson) I wonder if there is some similar use of the leather in northern history and if you like to consider do some test on some similar leather arrange.
(sorry for my awfull english)
Again axes are probably the most effective weapons. Easy to build, easy to use, rugged and devastating.
+Peter Guhl "easy to use"
+Peter Guhl I would go with the mace. grab a stick, put a heavy ball with small spikes in the end of the stick and go crushing bones.
+Rafa Aquino Screw maces.
I'd go for a motherfucking SPEAR!
naphackDT Easy to use, easy to forge, and awesome thrusting power. I guess you made the right decision.
Maces and spears are even easyer to use, yes. But an axe can be used to build a house too. And if I fail to make it cut it's still sort of a mace. And a poleaxe is sort of like a spear.
I seem to learn that a cut toward the edge of the leather is way more effective seeing as the force of the cut is just as high but consentrated over less leather. Not a big suprice, but I belive thats why some of the cuts did so well.
If I may make a suggestion, it looks like you just used 14 oz untreated leather you can actually case the leather or wet it and then after you let it dry a little you can throw it into an oven at 200 degrees ferinhieght for about an hour or so and that will significantly harden the leather.
Though, when hitting with such a large axe, such as the Danish axe, I can't imagine it would matter too terribly much if you sliced through the armor or not. I'm not sure if I'm over estimating the force behind that weapon, but I'd imagine that even without slicing through the armor, with a center of mass strike, you'd probably still break the ribs underneath.
i think that the reason why the battle axe cut trough the leather 2 times was because the first time the hit had less area of contact and the second time it hit the same place for second time.
Although they’re slow this really speaks to the power of a wood axe! I wonder how often they’ve been used as weapons. Certainly not ideal but it would seem to have some advantages and good lick parrying it!
Your videos are amazing, thank you fir maing them
Few last cuts with "Dane axe" were made on the edge of the leather: 2:20, 2:50. If you cut on the edge, you will easiry make deeper cut. "Gransfors Bruk Scandinavian forest axe" hit in to the middle of leather, there is much harder to cut trough. I think, this is not so good for comparing the potential of these two axe.
do kevlar next
Skall, you should do a video on a longquan sword or two from Amazon. Swordsage did a video on one not to long ago and he seemed to be pretty satisfied with it for the price point. Right around $150. I know you're not as interested in Chinese swords as he is but for a budget blade i think it would be a nice review. I recently ordered one exactly like Swordsages for personal testing. I'll try to let you know what i find.
A very well made video! Good job!
I'd like to see the leather strapped to a broom handle (as a surrogate for human ribs) just to see if the leather in any way mitigates the kinetic impact, regardless of any penetrating damage.
The only issue I see is the slicing axe only seemed to effectively cut when it hit an edge of the leather, i dont know if it would effect results much but seems to me it would meet less resistance there. Thanks for the videos I do enjoy watching them
Interesting. Though, I am thinking if the target is moving or your don't get an oblique hit they might not be wounded enough to put them out of the fight. I'm also wondering about something I heard of but, have never seen replicated, which was leather dipped in boiling wax. Not sure how that would be helpful though, unless something was done more than just boiling.
I'm thinking another reason the wood axe cut through it so well was that all the mass is right behind the edge, whereas the Dane axe's weight is spread out over the edge.
All that being said, leather would not be a first choice for defense...or even a third or fourth if you had a choice in the matter.
Excellent video as always!
Good video fells a little like watching mythbusters only without a high speed camera.
So this would provide more then ample protection against any of the contemporary folders and against bothe stabs and slashes given the combined results of this vid and the sword vid.
I think this does inspire me to do a little research of my own int that respect.
Bracers from this stuff maybe also waxed should be VERY sturdy.
No video has been harmed in the making of this tree.
The dane axe seams surprisingly unstable and wobbly not to mention hard to use. It also seams to have done the best impact when hitting the edges of the leather piece which I wonder if it helps.
I'm not a tree hugger but I am a bit of a troll resin is technically the blood of a tree during the winter when it gets cold resin is push to the outside of the the part of the tree underneath the bark because it freezes so technically you made the tree bleed and you hurt it
very nice editing&narration m8
Keep in min the amount of force which isn't absorbed by the armor. It'd be cool if you could get a pressure sensor or something, so you could see if the strikes would be hard enough to break ribs.
You have to consider that the thing underneath the leather (a tree) has much more resilience than a human body. It's probably going to completely penetrate the armour, but even if not, the blunt force alone will cause major damage. That is why layered cloth gambesons were a thing, and badass sleeveless leather vests were not.
I'd lke to see Skall retry some of these older vids
That's why the Roman Gladius was invented. A straight thrust with it will go right through heavy hide or chain mail.
sick damage skall I so want to see a pole axe or pole arm test.
Hello Skallagrim, I usually do not comment your videos, but this time something has surprised me. I know you're not a professionnal but through your videos i kept seeing the same professionnal rigor that lacked in this video. In fact, you only tried the woodaxe like a piece of metal on a woodstick and it lacked many specific techniques ! For exemple, you could have screwed a pommel to your Dane axe, that you could have then unscrewed and thrown at the piece of leather, confusing him so you could end him up rightly.
I love your videos and greatly hope for improvments in the future !
All my love,
MrWhat.
That looks like the stuff we used for our Heavy Leather Armor.
It doesn't matter as much with the battle axe, that would bloody hurt!
Dane axes are for cutting unarmored villagers. The woodcutter axe is made for... well, cutting small trees and the like. Or, as a general handy tool.
Now marketing for Gransfors: Do you want to kill a dragon? Bring with you a Gransfors Axe
+gosonegr as it´s Swedish steel it cut Deep in to anything if you only tutch the target :)
+gosonegr that axe could get stuck in the dragons skin, although it may not seem like it the other axe would be better after you were trained to use it properly than it might be more effective, a chopping axe might be good at penetrating armor, but the other axe is good at slicing, which if you can do properly (skall barely did) it would preform better at slicing thru the armor.
+Moth You can't slice through dragonscales. They're like plate armour. The Dane axe would get stuck actually, because of the much thinner edge, whereas the Small Forest axe would crack/partially cut the scale and bounce off.
Sure
Skallagrim, You should harden that leather for a comparison video to display how boiling and hardening leather affects the protective quality.
dam that S.F. axe is a bad ass
what does it mean when you say vegetable tanned leather? (english is not my native language so i think something gets lost in translation :P )
+Nicolás Isler Letelier Could you give a time stamp. I either keep zoning out or I think you misheard something :D
My comment adresses the specs in the description
Nicolás Isler Letelier I think it means Vegetable oil tanned leather or using extract or something along those lines.
I might be completely wrong.
Oh, thank you. I was under the impression that it was some kind of vegetable substitute of leather (for some reason)
+Nicolás Isler Letelier
It just refers to the process of curing the leather. Vegetable tanned means that the leather is not treated with chemicals.
so to put it it is more likely blunt when it comes in contact with the body, its crushing, even if it cuts, it still has a crushing power.
At least it seems that way.
this video seemed like a documentary with the music in the background and the texting
I'm not too surprised that the dane axe cut less well than the forst axe, certainly if i were using the long axe i'd try to use that advantage to aim towards less protected parts, or bare skin. then again, you could just use the impact to beat your enemy into submission. that's a decent weight of metal on the end of a four or five foot handle, with a relatively small impact point... could be used quite effectively even if the blade never made it through the leather.
Overall, i'd prefer a smaller axe though, seeing as you can just keep it in your belt for an occasion when you just need to deliver a hefty tap to a head, or whatever presents itself around an enemy shield.
Skall. Soak the leather overnight with some detergent, then put in a warm oven until bone dry. Then try hitting it. It's a different thing entirely. One is armour, the other is just thick clothing.
forget about the tree, I'm more worried about the axe, especially that dane axe. as someone who works in forrests I know all too well how much damage resin can do to the blade of a tool (I've had to reforge my parang a few times after some encounters with hardened resin, and file more than a few chips out of axe blades)
It looks like the best cuts with the Dane axe are getting the same sort of effect as the barbed hunting arrow. The wood axe of course just obliterates the poor leather. "I cut through trees, son, you think a little hide will stop me?"
Resin for the resin god! Bark for the bark throne!
LET THE BACKYARD BURN!