My favourite passage of the chapter: " The words gave her a chill, as they always did. The Stark words. Every noble house had its words. Family mottos, touchstones, prayers of sorts, they boasted of honour and glory, promised loyalty and truth, swore faith and courage. All but the Starks. _Winter is coming,_ said the Stark words. "
Forget the targaryens, I want to know more about the starks. I want a tv series about them. If someone does it right it will be dark, creepy, and intriguing.
It would be interesting. The trouble is there's no source material on this really so it'd be making it from scratch which hasn't always worked out great in the past.... This is what Bloodmoon would have been, but that was cancelled so there must have been some major problem with it. Personally I think the Dance of the Dragons is the best bet for a prequel show but maybe I'm biased as a Targ fan!
It would have to be someone with a heck of a imagination. I would also like to see the story of the bloodstone emperor and the beginning of valyria because I think some people escaped from.asshai and settled in valyria
I love this series. Thank you, talking thrones, for taking the time to do this Excellent, in-depth rundown of each chapter. May it continue to the very end.
Her chapters are good, but SHE gets to me, as far as her actions and some of the decisions she makes. But her chapters always provided great information.
True, underrated is how I would describe her evil character as well. She is an awful woman with nothing but disdain and hate for a child who was completely innocent. If anyone should feel her coldness it is Ned, yet she forgives him and turns all her animosity upon a baby. Ugh.
Pretty sure the only reason ppl don't like her is bcs they do not understand perspective. From her perspective Jon is her husbands bastard son. The living prove that Ned Stark is not as perfect as she thought he was. So just because we know who Jon is does not mean she does.
The only issue I have is that I can’t get one of these everyday. But I know it’s a lot but thank you man. I’ve been with you since season 5 or 6 and I haven’t been disappointed yet.
Talking Thrones I know man and I’m sorry about that. I do enjoy them though. Even if I’m the only one. I just finished book one but I like hearing you break downs. But if you have to quit I understand and I will still watch all your other uploads bud.
Thank you so much for doing this.I started with the show but fell so much harder for the booksNobody wants to hear "oh you should read the books" because its sounds like a humble brag or a homework assignment but if people like GoT they'll LOVE Asoiaf. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm very happy that you are using your platform to get people interested or at least exposed to the books more. The best thing about this series imo is the insane level of intrigue and mystery and sharing ideas and debating theory with other fans. More people with an interest and a knowledge base the better an experience this becomes for everyone. I appreciate it TT
Cant wait for Jons chapter where he says that he cant spar againts Joffrey because bastards cant hurt princes. In hindsight it was a good thing knowing what he did to Iron Emett when he had his wolf blood or bastard/dragon rage moment.
Very insightful work, Dan! Thank you so much! I’m really looking forward to your impression of each chapter, and living through the books again, with you! 😍💗🤗
In season one (just the tv show) cercei say: everyone who is not us is an enemy. In a way that is as catelyn thinks. She thinks everyone that shares a name is a unity, united in a goal, supporting each other. And those not sharing that name do not. This fallacy led her tohate jon, trust littlefinger, blame tyrion, trust her sister...and that's what i dislike about her, she never looks at the person, just at the family
I am halfway through ASoS and the Catelyn chapters are honestly my favorites. Yes she is very flawed and makes immature decisions. But she was also the first character to actually DO things that drove the story forward, while Sansa and Arya and the other Starks, even Ned, were just reacting. Her chapters are fast-paced and full of information, and she is surprisingly unpredictable
In the books, only a dead direwolf was found with an antler in its neck, there was no dead stag, so for Catelyn the symbolism implies the Baratheons could cause the death of Starks, not that that could cause each other's deaths which is why Robert's visit makes her nervous. They are similar things, but I think they're distinct because in the show it suggests Robert dies too but in the books all that Cat thinks of is Baratheons killing Starks.
I have read GOTs on my 2nd read n I still love your videos. I need to read Lord of the Rings and watch it from beginning to end. I can not stand Catelyn but I understand her and love her POVs. So much info in her chapters, as Grey Area would say "her povs have the JUICE". I'm so excited to watch more of your videos, I wish I would have started sooner!!!
It's interesting that there are various theories regarding Rickon, but if his wolf's name is any indication of his character/arc - which is the case for all of the other children - ain't nothing special happening here, cannibals and unicorns considered 😟
Rickon I believe is just there to continue the Stark line. Rob is dead, Jon refused Stannis and is probably a Targ or Dayne, Sansa and Arya could be Lady Stark but would need a husband to take their name and Bran may not be physically able and if he was probably wont have a "normal life". That leaves Rickon. Hes basically a background character at this point but we know hes a warg, via George himself and his tight bond with Shaggy Dog. He also has the classic Stark wolf blood traits ala Brandon and Lyanna. I'm not saying he'll never matter but I think his purpose is just to exist, be a male heir with strong traditional Stark traits so that if need be after our "song" ends someone is left to be the Stark in wintetfell.
Makes perfect sense too. After 5 massive books, he's barely of any importance, is he suddenly gonna be taking a big spot in the story, on novel 6/7 ? Wouldn't feel right.
@@davidvosspoor4694 Why not though. He's a Stark afterall, he's a warg and he is pretty much the only one that can further the family name, and since Davos is looking for him Rickon's storyline will be tied with his (and Osha's since GRRM liked how she was portraied in the show and wanted to give her a more important role in the books too). I'm not saying Rickon will necessarily be of any importance in the later novels, but I won't be surprised if he would.
Love your videos-you clearly work very hard on your content! Please don’t quit-eventually HBO will do the Targaryen show-right?? In the meantime-GREAT choice in doing Lord of the Rings!! Movies are amazing!! Books of course are even better! There are MANY parallels between LOTR and GOT. You’ll love it! Lots to talk about!!! Keep up the good work!!👍😊
Catelyn remembers the dead direwolf & is afraid of what it means, and STILL she desperately tries & succeeds at convincing Ned to leave to KL. Her hatred for Jon was stronger than her love for Ned. The Starks deserved better!
You missed out on your intro script. "Do you know what the realm is, it's a thousand blades of Aegon's enemy. A story we must tell each other over and over until we believe it's a lie"😭
I don’t know why I thought of this but the song from its always sunny in Philadelphia day man. Kinda sounds like they have some info. Or I’m just really stoned. Jon’s soul is either in ghost waiting to be called back or during his funeral pyre ghost will be howling locked up, as the flames hit his body it turns to dragon glass forming around his body as ghost howls Jon starts to rise yelling at the top of his lungs. Everyone in view immediately understands what they are seeing AH has arrived upon taking his sword in had it bursts into flames, Mel knows what must be done, while Stan and the manderleys destroyer the Bolton’s from inside and out.
Talking Thrones that happens but after much further down the line I honestly can see Stannis with Danny ruling the six realms. Not sure what and how much of the north will be destroyed but I don’t see Jon and Danny ever crossing paths at least not in the way we hope.
I have to change it entirely. The record label put copyright claims on dozens of my videos because of the music that's played during that Littlefinger scene. I was hit hard. A few weeks of my work went down the drain...
I just had this crazy thought on what situation george wrote the books: i think its about climate change, just think about it. Everyone is just busy being the most powerful but the real deal is the ice melting in the north ( north pole, also antartatica but i like the north pole as an example)that could be the end of the world. Just like in game of thrones everyone is busy playing their battle for the Throne while in the north the real threat is forming that could mean the end of the world. Just a thought
I like book Catelyn over show Catelyn. Without her POV chapters we wouldn't have Robb Stark or the Red Wedding! I wonder who will see Lady Stoneheart in WOW, Brienne or Jaime.
Dan, please when you watch the lord of the rings, please watch the cartoon version as well, that's very interesting, with slightly different takes on parts of the books
THE NUANCES SEEMS ENDLESS, AS YOU POINT OUT & THEY TIE, AS THREAD TO CLOTH, A WEAVE THAT BRINGS THE CHARACTERS LIVES TOGETHER... 📚 THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T PRESSURE GRRM INTO COMPLETING ANY IF HIS WORKS ASAP, ELSEWISE WE'LL LOSE THOSE GEMS OF HIDDEN MESSAGES. 😄 YOU'LL ENJOY LOTR & SEE SIMILARITIES BTW LOTR & GoT. THX ! 👏
Wow. Your definitions of the Wolves names and the Stark children are 100% the same I wrote on bridge4’s previous video from like 2 weeks ago :| Coincidence?
How do people still care about this? I LOVED Game of Thrones. I was obsessed. After Season 8 I literally can’t look at anything GoT themed without cringing and thinking of all the time I wasted on these theory videos predicting what could happen, only to be crushed brutally into the void after watching the final season. It just makes it hard to care anymore 🤷♀️😭
it because westeros original habitan from the First men,Andals,and Rhoynar. the first men worship god tree ,the Andals the seven, Rhoynar mother river. house Tully gods is the seven but there still people worship the old gods in the Riverrun i think.
Unfortunately, I don't think the Stark connection will ever be explained. GRRM is just not passionate about the series anymore. If it is finished, it will be by another author using whatever notes GRRM leaves behind.
My favourite passage of the chapter:
"
The words gave her a chill, as they always did. The Stark words. Every noble house had its words. Family mottos, touchstones, prayers of sorts, they boasted of honour and glory, promised loyalty and truth, swore faith and courage. All but the Starks. _Winter is coming,_ said the Stark words.
"
Phenomenal
Ned cleans the blood from ice at the weirwood pool..That is in effect still a blood sacrifice to the heart tree..Unspoken blood magic!
Forget the targaryens, I want to know more about the starks. I want a tv series about them. If someone does it right it will be dark, creepy, and intriguing.
It would be interesting. The trouble is there's no source material on this really so it'd be making it from scratch which hasn't always worked out great in the past....
This is what Bloodmoon would have been, but that was cancelled so there must have been some major problem with it. Personally I think the Dance of the Dragons is the best bet for a prequel show but maybe I'm biased as a Targ fan!
If someone were able to do it well, it would be amazing - maybe even better than GoT. Sadly I think we’ll be waiting a long time tho. Nice to dream!
It's what I want the most
It would have to be someone with a heck of a imagination. I would also like to see the story of the bloodstone emperor and the beginning of valyria because I think some people escaped from.asshai and settled in valyria
Talking Thrones Me too. The Starks have always been my favourite family
I love this series. Thank you, talking thrones, for taking the time to do this Excellent, in-depth rundown of each chapter. May it continue to the very end.
Honestly Catelyn chapters are so underrated ❤️
Her chapters are good, but SHE gets to me, as far as her actions and some of the decisions she makes.
But her chapters always provided great information.
True, underrated is how I would describe her evil character as well. She is an awful woman with nothing but disdain and hate for a child who was completely innocent. If anyone should feel her coldness it is Ned, yet she forgives him and turns all her animosity upon a baby. Ugh.
Pretty sure the only reason ppl don't like her is bcs they do not understand perspective.
From her perspective Jon is her husbands bastard son. The living prove that Ned Stark is not as perfect as she thought he was.
So just because we know who Jon is does not mean she does.
@@thisguy8106 I agree. Her chapters are good, but she annoys the hell out of me. Book version is so much different, imo, than the show version of her.
And victarion chapters are very crap
The only issue I have is that I can’t get one of these everyday. But I know it’s a lot but thank you man. I’ve been with you since season 5 or 6 and I haven’t been disappointed yet.
I would make the chapter videos more often, if they got more views. Only a small percentage of people seem to care about them tho.
Talking Thrones I know man and I’m sorry about that. I do enjoy them though. Even if I’m the only one. I just finished book one but I like hearing you break downs. But if you have to quit I understand and I will still watch all your other uploads bud.
Thank you so much for doing this.I started with the show but fell so much harder for the booksNobody wants to hear "oh you should read the books" because its sounds like a humble brag or a homework assignment but if people like GoT they'll LOVE Asoiaf.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm very happy that you are using your platform to get people interested or at least exposed to the books more. The best thing about this series imo is the insane level of intrigue and mystery and sharing ideas and debating theory with other fans. More people with an interest and a knowledge base the better an experience this becomes for everyone. I appreciate it TT
Thanks for revisiting this chapter. I love your perspective!
Great content. Love your videos. Keep up the good work Talking Thrones.
Good stuff. Thank you for putting in the effort and time for these videos. I and many others appreciate it!!
Great analysis on the Stark Wolves 👏👏👏👏
Cant wait for Jons chapter where he says that he cant spar againts Joffrey because bastards cant hurt princes. In hindsight it was a good thing knowing what he did to Iron Emett when he had his wolf blood or bastard/dragon rage moment.
I am currently rereading ADWD and it's amazing
Nearly done with AFFC, and I love it!
@@marywilcox3102 is it your first read through?
@@mrvulture8981 It is, yes. I'm enjoying it. The dislike for this book is crazy.
I’m relistening ADWD audiobook :)))
@@nelutumohan2833 That sounds good.
This series is amazing
Yeah another one awesome man thanks
Love the video and the very subtle zeppelin near the end there :D
TT with that quality! 🔥👌 Sad there's no more Little Finger intro. 😢
ye that Littlefinger intro is great
I'm making a new one as we speak.
Very insightful work, Dan! Thank you so much! I’m really looking forward to your impression of each chapter, and living through the books again, with you! 😍💗🤗
I get so ridiculously excited for these!
I do Hope that when You watch the Lord of The Rings 🎥's, You watch them All of them in the Extended Editions, that way You get to see them entirely...
In season one (just the tv show) cercei say: everyone who is not us is an enemy. In a way that is as catelyn thinks.
She thinks everyone that shares a name is a unity, united in a goal, supporting each other. And those not sharing that name do not.
This fallacy led her tohate jon, trust littlefinger, blame tyrion, trust her sister...and that's what i dislike about her, she never looks at the person, just at the family
Make sure you watch the extended versions of the LOTR films!!! Makes a huge difference. Enjoy!!!
Sigh.... i really miss it.
Fantastic job!
Great breakdown!
Another awesome video. Keep up the great work.
I am halfway through ASoS and the Catelyn chapters are honestly my favorites. Yes she is very flawed and makes immature decisions. But she was also the first character to actually DO things that drove the story forward, while Sansa and Arya and the other Starks, even Ned, were just reacting. Her chapters are fast-paced and full of information, and she is surprisingly unpredictable
In the books, only a dead direwolf was found with an antler in its neck, there was no dead stag, so for Catelyn the symbolism implies the Baratheons could cause the death of Starks, not that that could cause each other's deaths which is why Robert's visit makes her nervous. They are similar things, but I think they're distinct because in the show it suggests Robert dies too but in the books all that Cat thinks of is Baratheons killing Starks.
That's true. It was only the antler found.
I have read GOTs on my 2nd read n I still love your videos. I need to read Lord of the Rings and watch it from beginning to end. I can not stand Catelyn but I understand her and love her POVs. So much info in her chapters, as Grey Area would say "her povs have the JUICE". I'm so excited to watch more of your videos, I wish I would have started sooner!!!
Loved it!❤️❤️ Plz plz plz don't stop making this video's!❤️
Love this channel ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ tks for that ❤️❤️❤️☺️🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Don't forget the weirwood in the godswood of Raventree Hill the seat of house Blackwood...even if it's dead it still counts as a weirwood in the south
Talk Time!
It's interesting that there are various theories regarding Rickon, but if his wolf's name is any indication of his character/arc - which is the case for all of the other children - ain't nothing special happening here, cannibals and unicorns considered 😟
Rickon I believe is just there to continue the Stark line. Rob is dead, Jon refused Stannis and is probably a Targ or Dayne, Sansa and Arya could be Lady Stark but would need a husband to take their name and Bran may not be physically able and if he was probably wont have a "normal life".
That leaves Rickon. Hes basically a background character at this point but we know hes a warg, via George himself and his tight bond with Shaggy Dog. He also has the classic Stark wolf blood traits ala Brandon and Lyanna. I'm not saying he'll never matter but I think his purpose is just to exist, be a male heir with strong traditional Stark traits so that if need be after our "song" ends someone is left to be the Stark in wintetfell.
Makes perfect sense too. After 5 massive books, he's barely of any importance, is he suddenly gonna be taking a big spot in the story, on novel 6/7 ? Wouldn't feel right.
@@davidvosspoor4694 Why not though. He's a Stark afterall, he's a warg and he is pretty much the only one that can further the family name, and since Davos is looking for him Rickon's storyline will be tied with his (and Osha's since GRRM liked how she was portraied in the show and wanted to give her a more important role in the books too). I'm not saying Rickon will necessarily be of any importance in the later novels, but I won't be surprised if he would.
Love your videos!
Great video Thank you
Keep making these videos! 😉
Awesome buddy. Great to hear
Keep them coming
We need more of this bro
Is this the chapter where infront of the weirwood Luwin says to Theon "What? Is there going to be a battle in the Godswood?"
Can’t wait for the next video
Thanks for coming along for the ride!
I can’t believe you have never seen the Lord of the rings movies! They are my favorite movies of all time! I really think you will enjoy them
waiting for the next video!
I live this series! Plz keep doing it
Will do!
These chapter videos are so good!
Awesome vato I'll read em along with your videos. Love it bro good j.o.b
Thanks, Steve!
U need to get a few people together and make the audiobook.
Would be appreciated
Thanks in advance.
May the gods of new and old be with you
I agree!!!
You are gonna Love Lord of the rings. Guaranteed
Love these videos i only wish you can make them faster
THANKS!!
Love your videos-you clearly work very hard on your content! Please don’t quit-eventually HBO will do the Targaryen show-right?? In the meantime-GREAT choice in doing Lord of the Rings!! Movies are amazing!! Books of course are even better! There are MANY parallels between LOTR and GOT. You’ll love it! Lots to talk about!!! Keep up the good work!!👍😊
Thank you so much!!
I remember when you only had 19k subs and watched you grow to where you are today congrats!
Much love!
Catelyn remembers the dead direwolf & is afraid of what it means, and STILL she desperately tries & succeeds at convincing Ned to leave to KL. Her hatred for Jon was stronger than her love for Ned. The Starks deserved better!
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You missed out on your intro script. "Do you know what the realm is, it's a thousand blades of Aegon's enemy. A story we must tell each other over and over until we believe it's a lie"😭
Your video is better than the last season of the TV Show.
Lol thanks
I hope you make videos about vikings in the future as well 👍
TT!!!
THANKS!
Can you put the book and chapter number in the beginning of the the title, it gets cut off at the end
Love your merch ! Dan and Dave blew it! And the books are better! Lmfao 😂😆😂🤣😂😆🤣😆😂
Thanks! 😊
By assumption you've never seen the hobbit either since it's a LOTR spin-off, you'll love Smaug. I can promise you that...
I hadn’t seen LOTR movies until earlier this year. You wont be disappointed
There should be a prequel of game of thrones which shows the journey of house stark, white walker and the chaos that take place long ago.
I don’t know why I thought of this but the song from its always sunny in Philadelphia day man. Kinda sounds like they have some info. Or I’m just really stoned. Jon’s soul is either in ghost waiting to be called back or during his funeral pyre ghost will be howling locked up, as the flames hit his body it turns to dragon glass forming around his body as ghost howls Jon starts to rise yelling at the top of his lungs. Everyone in view immediately understands what they are seeing AH has arrived upon taking his sword in had it bursts into flames, Mel knows what must be done, while Stan and the manderleys destroyer the Bolton’s from inside and out.
What about the song?
Talking Thrones that happens but after much further down the line I honestly can see Stannis with Danny ruling the six realms. Not sure what and how much of the north will be destroyed but I don’t see Jon and Danny ever crossing paths at least not in the way we hope.
Nice
What happened to the Littlefinger intro?
I have to change it entirely. The record label put copyright claims on dozens of my videos because of the music that's played during that Littlefinger scene. I was hit hard. A few weeks of my work went down the drain...
6:54
Look at my TTs!!!
Yes, write season 9!
You've never seen The Lord of the Ring Trilogy? I'm so Jealous! Your gonna see the similarities between the two
stories. Strider vs Jon Snow!
Now I am reading the game of thrones, i love the story
Hell ya man
I just had this crazy thought on what situation george wrote the books: i think its about climate change, just think about it.
Everyone is just busy being the most powerful but the real deal is the ice melting in the north ( north pole, also antartatica but i like the north pole as an example)that could be the end of the world.
Just like in game of thrones everyone is busy playing their battle for the Throne while in the north the real threat is forming that could mean the end of the world.
Just a thought
I like book Catelyn over show Catelyn. Without her POV chapters we wouldn't have Robb Stark or the Red Wedding! I wonder who will see Lady Stoneheart in WOW, Brienne or Jaime.
How would the others just attack the wall? Isn't it magic not people that keep them out?
it's hard to forgive Cat for the way she treated Jon
Dan, please when you watch the lord of the rings, please watch the cartoon version as well, that's very interesting, with slightly different takes on parts of the books
THE NUANCES SEEMS ENDLESS, AS YOU POINT OUT & THEY TIE, AS THREAD TO CLOTH, A WEAVE THAT BRINGS THE CHARACTERS LIVES TOGETHER...
📚 THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T PRESSURE GRRM INTO COMPLETING ANY IF HIS WORKS ASAP, ELSEWISE WE'LL LOSE THOSE GEMS OF HIDDEN MESSAGES.
😄 YOU'LL ENJOY LOTR & SEE SIMILARITIES BTW LOTR & GoT.
THX ! 👏
Wish they did Lady Stone Heart in the show.... But then again..... Season 8.
Wow. Your definitions of the Wolves names and the Stark children are 100% the same I wrote on bridge4’s previous video from like 2 weeks ago :| Coincidence?
Dragon's or no, I am vastly more interested in the Starks than the Targaryens.
The depth of this book series is nothing short of incredible.
There must always be a Stark of Winterfell
Oops In
Yes!!!
I’m not a fan of Catelyn but I love her chapters.
Correct! Catelyn's chapters do contain great info, they also show just how awful she really is.
We dislike lady Caitlyn because of how she treated John/ Aegon Targerian.
Bro, can you make video of each chapter daily?
I dont think he can, this videos take time to make
How do people still care about this? I LOVED Game of Thrones. I was obsessed. After Season 8 I literally can’t look at anything GoT themed without cringing and thinking of all the time I wasted on these theory videos predicting what could happen, only to be crushed brutally into the void after watching the final season. It just makes it hard to care anymore 🤷♀️😭
Yeah the people who read the books instead of watching the show
House Tully's religion is the faith of seven , so why is there a god's wood garden in riverrun ?
it because westeros original habitan from the First men,Andals,and Rhoynar. the first men worship god tree ,the Andals the seven, Rhoynar mother river. house Tully gods is the seven but there still people worship the old gods in the Riverrun i think.
You have not watched the LOTR movies!!??!! GASP!! Please do
Brother i finished the first book in 7-8 days
Nice work
Don't worry sir, we'll be back..................
More wine
Not Saw, Silent Hill and Underworld.🤣
I envy you; you will enjoy the magic of seeing LOTR for the first time!
Someone who did not see Lotr at all.. live commentary hmm that could be interesting sir.
Unfortunately, I don't think the Stark connection will ever be explained. GRRM is just not passionate about the series anymore. If it is finished, it will be by another author using whatever notes GRRM leaves behind.
I hope not
Wait Jon Snow is still dead in the books????
Yeah man. Jon's murder is the essentially the last canon event in the series. GOT the show is fanfic from that point onward.
I have seen Catelyn as one of the worst characters in the books. She causes alot of the trouble that befalls the Starks.
The Old Gods > The 7th.