Fantastic and massively informative presentation Jay! Thanks for your extreme hard work and your deep passion. What you’re providing all of us is completely unique in its depth and honesty in the audio world. Bravo!
Thank you Jay for all the effort you put into these presentations! In think in this video, you did me a tremendous favor. The last few months, I’ve been watching different videos analyzing HiFi gear and was contemplating an incremental upgrade path from my current system. The price ranges you mentioned in this video were so far and above anything attainable, that I’m now beginning to realize that maybe I should give up my high end audio ambitions and maybe spend a portion of that time attending concerts and volunteering.
Dude, that's like saying I will never own an M3 because a Porsche GT3 exists. Or what's the point of a GT3 when there are Ferraris. Set a budget, make an automatic savings plan with online banking, and set a goal and find a combination that emotionally moves you, once you find it, don't change a single thing. I've gone through so many iterations of my system where it has brought me to tears, but then I got greedy and wanted even more, then I changed something and I gained in some areas but lost in others, then I had to chase again. The lesson I've learned is that once I find something great, I should not change a 'single' thing for six months. I just need to learn to be content and listen and live with the system. My personal 'end game' is a Gryphon Diablo 300, used. To me, that is the maximum I would want to spend on an amp, and if I'm getting speakers I'm going to build them myself, maybe a Troels design or Elsinore with those Purifi drivers.
Now I spend on studio monitor, near field listening, don't need to fill the room, listen much lower db, easier to tweak than standard audiophile setup.
I was wrong to express my frustrations the way I did with the tremendous costs of the high end equipment you demo, considering these systems can be looked at as reference systems that can be utilized to benchmark other, more budget friendly systems. Additionally, this channel has showcased more budget friendly solutions in prior videos such as a Class D amp against a Class A amp powering the XLF’s, a Hegel 390 powering bookshelf speakers, and running a system without a preamp. Additionally Jay’s experiments allow us to A/B compare many different components without having a salesperson interjecting their own opinion. In any case, this channel, among others, are great resources to help us figure out what kind of systems we like. I hope my wining doesn’t demotivate you from continuing to make these awesome videos..
Thank you Jay! Agree with the final few minuets of insight and its been a fun run with the XLF's...Excellent for putting so much into this and many returns for you!
If it were me I would set the drivers to the specified distance they say and be done with it. Live with it a long time like a year then maybe make small tweaks. It I think that is better since sonic memory is really bad for just about everybody. I totally agree prices are obscene at this level. Hell even the lower levels they are getting insane. Many speaker companies significantly raised their prices over the last year partially due to the pandemic parts etc but also the trend was going crazy in this stupid direction a while now even before the Pandemic.
How much $ to allocate for Speakers to Electronics ratio has always been an ongoing issue! I was trained to think in terms of expandability over a 3 to 5 year time frame always looking for that latest New Thing that would Improve the System! You Jay have been on the Most Accelerated Pace in the world! Your Vision has vastly clarified my personal goals! Thank You so much!
Not only that, people are buying "iron work" for 8 grand, no electronics required, just faith that the very high cost of the addition to the system adds to "something".
I know your room is treated but it seems there's still a lot of reflections. Interesting that the mic is generally around the listener position and you're at the speaker position.
Jay I like your reviews and your hype of Wilson Audio speakers. Therefore I ordered Wilson Audio TuneTot speakers. I hopefully they sound good without a subwoofer like REL....
Yes Jay , my cables is more expensive than speakers , i think is more real this 33% to speakers , 33% to electronics and 33% to cables and power conditioner or even 50% to cables .. I like speakers with out any adjustment , and any reflexions from outside of cabinets . And by the way , to my wife not like at all my speakers , mostly tell me like is the ugly speakers i have it .. Very good review of Wilson XLF ! BR
Kick ass speaker! Love that color but think the black areas should be orange. Concern that the speakers are too big for the room will get in the way of any reflections. Do they disappear when listening?
Speakers the size of refrigerators, and amps with kilowatts are way to big for most rooms. They end up sounding like stage systems. One looses the harmonic, and musical delicacies, and the presentation ends up sounding brawny, rather than organic, and musical. Huge systems never impressed me. Great video! 🇨🇦✌️😎
What is the point of the spikes if you're going to put coasters on? And of course, who wouldn't put coasters on given that without it, there's 175lbs of weight on each spike which would likely damage any floor surface...!?
Nice video, Jay! Your stuff is great to see. This video makes me wonder: Is there a speaker company that makes a MODULAR speaker that you can mix and match woofers, mids, and tweeter units? That would be fun.
you guys are totally nuts. a pair of speakers that cost 125 K is INSANE !!!!. what does the majority of you do for a living ??????!!!!!!!!!!. let me know if you're hiring. i'll work for you. been trying so hard to save 7K for a pair of speakers AND stereo gears. a few years later. i've only saved a few K 😔😪 .
All demos I auditioned with Wilson Audio loudspeakers in over 20 years of time, none of these systems were able to reveal diversity in height of voices and instruments. All voices and instruments were on the same height/line as the tweeter. This is a Hi-Fi parameter. So in fact they are not True High-End loudspeakers. I think it is time to show and teach the world what sound and music are. And on which aspects/properties it is built on. This is the only way people will learn and understand what is even possible in audio. The whole trial&error way of doing audio kept all people ignorant regarding the truth about audio. Loudspeakers who can let you hear all the differences in height of voices and instruments will bring you to a superior world. It is so much more intense and emotional. This is based on the harmonics of the recordings.
@@TheDanEdwards, You need to prove by sound and stage that you can reveal all aspects of sound. This is including diversity in height. I give you an example. When you play Miles Davis in DSD his album Kind of Blue you can hear that his trumpet is being displayed about 30 cm higher than the height of the tweeter. Cymbals even higher. When you play this song by Wilson Audio; his trumpet will be displayed at the height of the dome tweeter of the loudspeaker. I work for over 23,5 years full time in the world of audio, I know what is possible these days. I had the opportunity to listen to and compare so many different audio products.
The formula can still work or should work. The prices and value its represent are out of proportion I guess. And it has probably to do also with perception. Can we reach the same level of enjoyment with less and do we want gear that only can perform as let’s say the matching cable system triples the value of the components? Is this always the case and when it is do we like or accept that?
When you aim for 8/10 or 9/10 sound quality equipment instead of 10/10 sound quality, the old formulas still more or less work. At the very top end all hell breaks loose in search of the hedge fund manager's wallet! :D
Jay with all the work and enormous effort you put into this hobby if you need help with anything I will gladly give you a hand anytime,.. I just come back from a walk on the lake , it’s minus 38 degrees and sunny however if you could use some help and have an extra room where I can stay for about a month I would gladly help you with anything,,.😉
@@jaysaudiolab I bet the women did not like the loudspeakers because of the color. They do not mind how big things are but color is very important to them.
There is no point of spending massive amount of money on any audio gears especially a million dollars system does not sound anywhere near as real musical event even a lousy sound shopping mall jazz gathering you know it’s real even two blocks away.
Братан, поучись в Российской школе, потом Российском институте. Для тебя потом будет все легко. Подари мне эти колонки. Я их настрою с закрытыми глазами. ;).
Never show the world you’re one of those “shoes off in the house” people. Dirt from outside can be cleaned. The viruses from foot sweat cannot. If you can afford these speakers you can afford a vacuum or a maid. Sharing foot sweat is disgusting and frankly rude to guests.
Please like the video and leave me your comments below!
If you fail any A/B testing on cables and amps to something cheaper, you should donate all that money to starving kids.
Then you have to have the space to store the creates! I guess if you can afford the speakers, storage space would not be an issue.
Fantastic and massively informative presentation Jay! Thanks for your extreme hard work and your deep passion. What you’re providing all of us is completely unique in its depth and honesty in the audio world. Bravo!
Thank you
Thank you Jay for all the effort you put into these presentations! In think in this video, you did me a tremendous favor. The last few months, I’ve been watching different videos analyzing HiFi gear and was contemplating an incremental upgrade path from my current system. The price ranges you mentioned in this video were so far and above anything attainable, that I’m now beginning to realize that maybe I should give up my high end audio ambitions and maybe spend a portion of that time attending concerts and volunteering.
Dude, that's like saying I will never own an M3 because a Porsche GT3 exists. Or what's the point of a GT3 when there are Ferraris. Set a budget, make an automatic savings plan with online banking, and set a goal and find a combination that emotionally moves you, once you find it, don't change a single thing. I've gone through so many iterations of my system where it has brought me to tears, but then I got greedy and wanted even more, then I changed something and I gained in some areas but lost in others, then I had to chase again. The lesson I've learned is that once I find something great, I should not change a 'single' thing for six months. I just need to learn to be content and listen and live with the system. My personal 'end game' is a Gryphon Diablo 300, used. To me, that is the maximum I would want to spend on an amp, and if I'm getting speakers I'm going to build them myself, maybe a Troels design or Elsinore with those Purifi drivers.
Now I spend on studio monitor, near field listening, don't need to fill the room, listen much lower db, easier to tweak than standard audiophile setup.
I was wrong to express my frustrations the way I did with the tremendous costs of the high end equipment you demo, considering these systems can be looked at as reference systems that can be utilized to benchmark other, more budget friendly systems. Additionally, this channel has showcased more budget friendly solutions in prior videos such as a Class D amp against a Class A amp powering the XLF’s, a Hegel 390 powering bookshelf speakers, and running a system without a preamp. Additionally Jay’s experiments allow us to A/B compare many different components without having a salesperson interjecting their own opinion.
In any case, this channel, among others, are great resources to help us figure out what kind of systems we like. I hope my wining doesn’t demotivate you from continuing to make these awesome videos..
The Tekton MOABs are an end game for many at $5,000. Join the Tekton Facebook page and ask if anyone near you will let you come listen.
The last few minutes discussing pricing vs. percentage for each component was a surprise. Some of the better
Jay show us your new speakers :)
My system costed about 650 usd including about 150 usd on speakers so it is about 25%.
Thank you Jay! Agree with the final few minuets of insight and its been a fun run with the XLF's...Excellent for putting so much into this and many returns for you!
Thank you
Thanks again, Jay. Excellent presentation.
If it were me I would set the drivers to the specified distance they say and be done with it. Live with it a long time like a year then maybe make small tweaks. It I think that is better since sonic memory is really bad for just about everybody. I totally agree prices are obscene at this level. Hell even the lower levels they are getting insane. Many speaker companies significantly raised their prices over the last year partially due to the pandemic parts etc but also the trend was going crazy in this stupid direction a while now even before the Pandemic.
.... and this speaker won a lot of prizes in high end audio shows internationally with the VTL amps !
How much $ to allocate for Speakers to Electronics ratio has always been an ongoing issue! I was trained to think in terms of expandability
over a 3 to 5 year time frame always looking for that latest New Thing
that would Improve the System! You Jay have been on the Most Accelerated Pace in the world! Your Vision has vastly clarified my personal goals! Thank You so much!
Thanks man
Sad to hear were the market has gone for the ultra high end. Thanks for video
Alright Jay, it's time for you to stop messing around and tell us about your new speakers!!!
Hahah
Thanks 😊 jay you always teach me something new.
Thank you
So it’s 60% on speakers and the other million on components?
Not only that, people are buying "iron work" for 8 grand, no electronics required, just faith that the very high cost of the addition to the system adds to "something".
The Big guy x The Bigger speaker
I would say that the budget should be 33% professional room treatment, 33% speakers and 33% electronics.
I've always thought they look like the old 1950's Godzilla. Lol
Спасибо, всё четко и по полкам разложил.!
Great review.
Too much options are indeed good and bad at the same time.
I know your room is treated but it seems there's still a lot of reflections. Interesting that the mic is generally around the listener position and you're at the speaker position.
Second
Yes. Sounds like north of 350ms.
Yup, the moment he talk, it is the room. He has the budget to do ASC level of room treatment.
I wonder if he has ceiling treatments, can’t tell from this angle. That area would be his largest reflecting surface.
When you go into the TV showroom, those sets are in torch mode. They have to be because theyre competing to grab your attention.
Jay I like your reviews and your hype of Wilson Audio speakers. Therefore I ordered Wilson Audio TuneTot speakers. I hopefully they sound good without a subwoofer like REL....
Yes Jay , my cables is more expensive than speakers , i think is more real this 33% to speakers , 33% to electronics and 33% to cables and power conditioner or even 50% to cables .. I like speakers with out any adjustment , and any reflexions from outside of cabinets . And by the way , to my wife not like at all my speakers , mostly tell me like is the ugly speakers i have it .. Very good review of Wilson XLF ! BR
Thank you
Kick ass speaker! Love that color but think the black areas should be orange. Concern that the speakers are too big for the room will get in the way of any reflections. Do they disappear when listening?
Jay your body looks more impressive than Wilson's IMO.
This whole audiophile industry is ridiculous, the prices for speakers, amplifiers and cables is just crazy.
Speakers the size of refrigerators, and amps with kilowatts are way to big for most rooms. They end up sounding like stage systems. One looses the harmonic, and musical delicacies, and the presentation ends up sounding brawny, rather than organic, and musical. Huge systems never impressed me. Great video!
🇨🇦✌️😎
The irony of these videos is the people that can afford them don’t watch them and those that can’t afford them do myself included.
Hahaha
Yeah, women are impressed with size.
What is the point of the spikes if you're going to put coasters on? And of course, who wouldn't put coasters on given that without it, there's 175lbs of weight on each spike which would likely damage any floor surface...!?
Nice video, Jay! Your stuff is great to see. This video makes me wonder: Is there a speaker company that makes a MODULAR speaker that you can mix and match woofers, mids, and tweeter units? That would be fun.
Just buy a table saw and a router and a jig saw or a CNC machine and make your own.
Do you have access to 801D4 ? I found D4 tweeter to be more life-like and accurate than the Alexx V
run Mono Spectrals.. BEAUTIFUL!
you guys are totally nuts. a pair of speakers that cost 125 K is INSANE !!!!.
what does the majority of you do for a living ??????!!!!!!!!!!. let me know if you're hiring. i'll work for you.
been trying so hard to save 7K for a pair of speakers AND stereo gears. a few years later. i've only saved a few K 😔😪 .
All demos I auditioned with Wilson Audio loudspeakers in over 20 years of time, none of these systems were able to reveal diversity in height of voices and instruments. All voices and instruments were on the same height/line as the tweeter. This is a Hi-Fi parameter. So in fact they are not True High-End loudspeakers. I think it is time to show and teach the world what sound and music are. And on which aspects/properties it is built on. This is the only way people will learn and understand what is even possible in audio. The whole trial&error way of doing audio kept all people ignorant regarding the truth about audio. Loudspeakers who can let you hear all the differences in height of voices and instruments will bring you to a superior world. It is so much more intense and emotional. This is based on the harmonics of the recordings.
show us the way wise one!
@@sevestan, first start to read more about sound and music. It will make you understand audio better.
"So in fact they are not True High-End loudspeakers. " - the _No-True-High-End_ fallacy?
@@TheDanEdwards, You need to prove by sound and stage that you can reveal all aspects of sound. This is including diversity in height. I give you an example. When you play Miles Davis in DSD his album Kind of Blue you can hear that his trumpet is being displayed about 30 cm higher than the height of the tweeter. Cymbals even higher. When you play this song by Wilson Audio; his trumpet will be displayed at the height of the dome tweeter of the loudspeaker. I work for over 23,5 years full time in the world of audio, I know what is possible these days. I had the opportunity to listen to and compare so many different audio products.
these are being used in studio, not "high end" enough.
How much do you think it costs to manufacture these speakers?
PART ZERO. DO YOU HAVE FOOD GUYS AND GALS! HOPE SO IF NOT GO TO YOUR STORE AND GET FAST!
I recent check MIT top cable, hundred thousand, wow.
I find it strange you’re assessment of speakers is in stereo when evidence shows that’s an inferior methodology?
The formula can still work or should work.
The prices and value its represent are out of proportion I guess. And it has probably to do also with perception.
Can we reach the same level of enjoyment with less and do we want gear that only can perform as let’s say the matching cable system triples the value of the components? Is this always the case and when it is do we like or accept that?
When you aim for 8/10 or 9/10 sound quality equipment instead of 10/10 sound quality, the old formulas still more or less work. At the very top end all hell breaks loose in search of the hedge fund manager's wallet! :D
The specs on the Wilson Audio speakers aren't that great. The weight and aesthetics definitely kept me from considering a pair. Much, much too heavy.
Jay with all the work and enormous effort you put into this hobby if you need help with anything I will gladly give you a hand anytime,..
I just come back from a walk on the lake , it’s minus 38 degrees and sunny however if you could use some help and have an extra room where I can stay for about a month I would gladly help you with anything,,.😉
Thank you
Very interesting
That doesn’t look like a speaker, it looks like a transformer.
And I will add that the choice of color of the loudspeakers does not match the decor.
I don't typically buy product based on color matching. This isn't an art gallery lol.
@@jaysaudiolab I bet the women did not like the loudspeakers because of the color. They do not mind how big things are but color is very important to them.
There is no point of spending massive amount of money on any audio gears especially a million dollars system does not sound anywhere near as real musical event even a lousy sound shopping mall jazz gathering you know it’s real even two blocks away.
Братан, поучись в Российской школе, потом Российском институте. Для тебя потом будет все легко. Подари мне эти колонки. Я их настрою с закрытыми глазами. ;).
😴
😴😴
Never show the world you’re one of those “shoes off in the house” people. Dirt from outside can be cleaned. The viruses from foot sweat cannot. If you can afford these speakers you can afford a vacuum or a maid. Sharing foot sweat is disgusting and frankly rude to guests.
1st
So everything wrong with them are features accept the way they look. Because they look terrible.