I sat down with Peter McGrath of Wilson Audio and he gave a private demo of the XVX, there is some tech in the XVX that was not available in Master Chronosonic, some new materials in the 7" drivers that out perform the previous model that is 3x the price. These speakers are truly amazing, the one thing McGrath pointed out, and was quite proud of, that I agree with, is these speakers have no real sonic signature. We played piano, jazz, electronic, and vocal, there is no signature sound, just truth. I know I can not say this about my LaScalas, I know you can not say about the $30,000 sonus fabers, and I love both of the speakers, these are just so special.
I've read no sonic signature in reviews for biggest and best before for 40+ years in audio magazine. They all eventually are heard and usually the newest biggest monster goes extinct real soon. Early Wilsons were not biggest monster speaker. They were studio. Let me know who is using those. How much of the cost goes to pay for some of those new stupid ads for these newest Wilsons? You know. Did the shoe mfg.pay for part of the ad?
@@joybrucebruce3377 The state of the art has always been a sliding scale. Unless you have a TARDIS* to jump forward (assuming there will be a forward with clever engineers still interested in designing and manufacturing music reproduction gear), this is about as good as it gets (I know, Magico M6s, MBL 101 X-tremes, et al.). And if that's what they charge for them and other people think it's worth spending the money for, really, what's it to you? I can't even come close to affording the little Wilson Tune Tots, but that doesn't stop me from being glad that such things as the Chronosonic XVXs exist. *Of course, if you have a TARDIS with perception filters and psychic paper, you can pop over to any musical event you chose, e.g. Beethoven conducting at Theater am Karntnertor or the Beatles in EMI Recording Studios Room Two (renamed Abbey Road Studios in 1970).
It is NOT AS GOOD AS IT GETS. Music is like ART and tjhere are many interpretations. Music reproduction is only a facsimile of that art. That's like saying *this* or *that* forger is the best artist. I mean, you mean the guy who reproduces Leonardo's work or the one that reproduces Botero's work or the one that reproduces famous artist of Denmark Jim Harrison's work. Every speaker is a forgery artist. Every speaker forges that art differently. To each his or her own. If you ain't heard it, you don't know. That's why we need people like Steve. And that amount of change as in $$$ and industry influence, he ain't gonna mess up that sale. We just have to read between the lines. I understand his position. But not at his house. Maybe Daryl will give him a pair. Steve told ME what I needed to know.
By the way. I knew artist Jim Harrison. He painted "Disspearing America". Sadly he just passed away not too long ago. But the scene has changed and no one has taken a new crown as the top "Dissappearing America" artist. A new piece of art symbolizing disappearing America has not been named. But I vote a group of old audiophiles get together for a group painting by a famous artist or maybe a photo Google could sponsor a "best disappearing America video" artist award so a new artist could take the crown. I'm not opposed to it being a photographer or videographer as long as it is art. Maybe they could award the top prize to an audiophile video. We are disappearing America and Wilson speakers symbolize why. [Some folks in the industry GONNA HATE ON ME for this idea]. Go ahead. I do it all in the name of pushing the American art form ahead. And all you folks fretting on disappearing America being new, don't worry. It always is.
Joy&BRUCE bruce when asked about live performances Peter McGrath of Wilson said and I’m paraphrasing “live is live, our job is to recreate what the engineer that mixed it wanted you to hear based off of where he placed the slides on board” But is sounded much more intelligent when he said it. Lol
Steve, this was one of the most interesting videos you’ve done in a while. You focused and spoke more about the recordings and the visceral feelings of the music and less about the equipment. This to me is what this whole journey is all about. Not how much we spend or how great this piece of gear or that piece of gear sounds. It’s all about the music and you let that shine
It is never boring on this channel. Great video as always. It is like car magazine. Most of the tests are for general population but here and there is presentation of supersport car that drives the imagination. That is the beauty of life...
It's time Wilson did active high-end speakers. The residual limitation with these, are the external amps and the crossovers. Make the units self-contained with both digital and analogue inputs, with the ability to bypass internal digital circuitry.
If we could get Linn to lend their ‘Exakt’ technology to Wilson speakers, we’d really be on to something. I’ve heard this done with B&W 802D’s and they’ve never sounded so good.
@@leemartin2978 No amplification needed in my family room. You could play a toy triangle in it and hear it everywhere. Besides if I were having live music, it would be jazz, classical and acoustic rock and blues.
The studio I work at has these for their monitors. Standing between them is like being on the stage with the band or in the lap of the acoustic guitar player. Unreal...
For a $100k less, how does it sound vs Focal Grand Utopia EM EVO (@ Upscale Audio). Such would be the questions people with those sort of budgets would ask :D.
After selling my home and my car and my wife’s car I still wouldn’t be able to afford one speaker. I probably wouldn’t even be able to afford the cables.
Maybe Nelson Pass will lend you a set of his Radio Shack cables and you can pay the difference on the loan. Seriously though thats what Nelson uses when designing his amps. He was buddies with Siegfried Linkwitz whose passion for magic cables was similar to Nelsons. Just saying.
I always try to visit Innovative Audio when in the city. A fun review for sure. But the best part was discovering great albums by Phil Woods and Casey Abrams. They are already in my streaming digital library. Thanks so much Steve!
Thank you Steve for stoking the fire of those of us who are Wilson Audio fans, just three weeks ago I had the opportunity to demo the new Sasha Daw, some 30 years after my first encounter with the Watt puppy. Are Wilson Audio speakers overpriced and not exactly beautiful? Perhaps, but then you sit down and you do not want it do end. I thought the Alexx were awesome, now comes Chrosonic XVX, Wow!.
So, with Wilson Audio, the emphasis is primarily in the shape and positioning of the drivers, and resonance damping . . . and not so much on the drivers construction, themselves . . . does Wilson make their drivers?
The Wilson speakers are almost identical in design to my 1985 Nestorovic System 16s. Wilson added adjustability and separate cabinets for the mid-range and tweeters. Mila Nestorovic was building time aligned speakers well before Wilson.
Hold on Steve, I was just sitting here at my IKEA desk clipping coupons for 25 cents off eggs. So for your 329K you get......a 1” soft dome tweeter. That’s beautiful.
Almost my favorite part of these videos Steve does is the albums he mentions... I almost always run and try it out on my system and impressed almost every time.
The AKG C24 mic you mentioned operates with a MS polarity pattern, meaning the two capsules are head to head 90 degrees offset. It is also a tube condenser. This technique gives the listener the 'holographic' 3 dimensional image you refer to. This technique is rarely used as it is only effective on single sources or small ensembles and has the disadvantage of being out of phase when panned or mixed with multiple sources. It also can sell for $20,000.
HI Steve! I’m new of all of this, but it seems to me that Audiophiles are really looking for what’s “Not There”, ie, the Unintangibles, or the “Umami” if you will..of sound and audio. A Quest for noticeable silence, a breathing room, a bass drum pedal squeak, never before noticed. I LOVE it all!! Steve, Thanks for turning me on to this Channel. I really DIG IT!!!
Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac ... Steve, When you mention the Mr. Katz’ Jazz recording that was done on an AKG Stereo mic, and it is a point of reference recording (paraphrasing) It made me think of the Vintage Big Band recordings from he late 30’s-40’s. I was listening to Arie Shaw’s “Come Love” just yesterday. I happened to see the clip of the Sopranos episode where it was featured, and brilliantly so. I went back to the inter webs to see if I could find a decent facsimile. Re Listening to that recording, touches upon everything that you were explaining in this review, and, goes to throw an even BIGGER wet blanket over the apologists who now treat auto tune as an instrument. These musicians were true artists, using their instruments with unbelievable dynamics....all while being recorded by usually only 1 center room mic! If you have a chance, go and give it a listen. You can hear 1939, you can feel the space of the recording room, you can sense the urgency of the entire band, wanting to nail it on the first take! And then the Vocals!!! I mean, Come on!!! It may sound like a huge leap, but these recordings (big Band, Big Room) very much remind me of the first 2 Led Zeppelin Albums, where Page uses the entire room and atmosphere, and especially space, as another instrument. Sorry for the novel! Check out that track if you have a sec. ruclips.net/video/CC8JUycGed4/видео.html
Steve said the music he wanted to play wasn’t available for streaming. However, that Phil Woods album “Here’s to My Lady” is definitely available on Apple Music. I can hear the audiophiles gasping now but hey - I like it and I bet it’d sound great on $328k speakers.
Steve, I checked out those Chesky recordings of Phil Woods and Casey Abrams, excellent recordings, that’s the way things should be done, thanks for the tip.
Slightly disappointed, I was excited to get a chance to see a very high end expensive speaker system and back end components. It would have been nice to see much more close up camera shots and short rendition of the system in action. Don’t get me wrong I’d like to hear the interesting by stories and music picks but that took up too much time and we were not able to get a good sense of the system and what it might be like to experience it in person.
My thoughts exactly. Whats that tall thing in the middle? Is it part of the system? A description of the components and the design principles would have been nice. Instead I get a lot of his face.
There is No Way I'd spend that kind of money for any speakers. There are some pretty good speakers out here for way less. Some pretty decent speakers with the right up stream equipment can make the magic happen for a lot less than half a million dollars.
My local audio store just invited me to an event showcasing these speakers next week, with Wilson staff on hand. Looking forward to seeing how my impressions compare to yours.
Heard the Wilson Watt/Puppy at a audio show many years ago. Have never heard anything better since. Will buy these speakers as soon as I hit the lotto!
Wilson Audio speaker do too have a sonic signature. It is subtler than most and I must admit they are quite good but they just are sort of oddly alien in a very subtle way. It is called the Uncanny Valley. You should read up on it. I mean they are quite nice but at the end of the day, the there that is there is just not quite there. With much more modest speakers, they have flaws but you know what those flaws are and you can adjust for these, these are just like living in Logan's Run or Dredd (the Karl Urban one).
Seems like speakers of this caliber deserve to play some classical music.... full orchestra, string quartets, solo piano, etc. It is much easier for pop and jazz recordings to sound good on many speakers. A good recording of a full orchestra is the best test for an "ultimate" speaker. Even though it's not your bag, Steve, I wish you'd start including some classical music recordings in your listening sessions. After all, Beethoven will be 250 this December!
I have never heard someone trying so hard to try to give a good review! Watch Steve’s other videos.. when he loves something.. it’s come though so much more naturally.. 😊
I agree. He always came back to how much detail they revealed from the recording but never seemed to get really excited about how they generally sound.
I had the opportunity to spend a lot of time with Wilson’s then flagship, Grand Slamm X1’s when they were introduced in the late 90’s (rich audiophile brother-in-law). I helped set them up in the dedicated 20 x 40 music room with Mark Levinson amps and all the other high end stuff. They were incredible 20 years ago so I can only imagine what these sound like. I will say that these speakers were more about tinkering for him than listening to music. Spent a lot of time moving those 500lb boxes 1/4” here and there. I fear that is what this level of audio is more about, which is fine if you have the scratch. Some people buy yachts, or sports cars they don’t use, so to each his own. I will say, that as perfect as the Grand Slamms were, they weren’t my favorite speaker to actually listen to.
Like most audiophiles I will never be able to afford such expensive high end speakers like these but what I am able to do is listen to Steve’s Narrative of his experiences and his sonic encounters of the third kind with high end audio and his marvelous descriptions of his encounters are so very captivating that I almost get a feeling of having shared in the experience. While speakers like these are far beyond my means, if I lived close by, I would visit often to experience their richness as often as I could with my favorite recordings, get my fix, before retreating back into the reality of my humble vintage system. Thanks Steve you give such a masterful narrative of your experience that I felt as though I shared in the moment. Best Audiophile Reviewer on the 3rd Rock from the Sun. 😂😂
That's a ton of scan speak drivers for each speaker. I can't imagine what they must sound like. I've never had the opportunity to sit down and listen to Wilson's. Lucky enough though to have a bookshelf set of scans. Love them so much and always disappointed to hear other speakers.
I found it very refreshing the move to another location to do this review and most of all you're review of one of the most awesome speaker systems on the planet... And while we're on the subject of ultra-high-end systems; how about a greatly anticipated review of the MBL flagship?!
Thanks Steve. I would have appreciated a cost comparison approach in this analysis. None of us are surprised these are good, but compared to what at lower prices? Real people, make this analysis before buying. Also a tip, I bought one of the CD’s you mentioned. I would suggest putting an Amazon link in there so we can buy them through you and I believe you can get a little spiff for recommending it/them...
When I started watching the video my brain dropped the last digit. I was thinking $32,900. But for an order of magnitude more I think I'd expect the Chromosome XXIII speakers to directly interface with my numb skull. This stuff is cute but how many copies a year of these are sold? Can I pick up a used model with, say, 50,000 miles on it after it's been driven for a few years?
I would be interested to hear Steve compare these Wilson's to the Focal Utopia Grand EM's which Steve rated as the best of a number of other high end speakers many years ago. At the time he said the difference is that if you closed your eyes you would believe there was a symphony orchestra in the room. The technical reason why none of the other speakers could pull this off was because the main driver of the Focal's have an electromagnet on the 60 odd lbs of mass. Are the Focals still the best or do the Wilsons have an edge?
B&C IPAL woofers will shred anything that wimpy hifi can deliver & if you get a chance have a listen to KV2 Audio - blows away 99% of so called hi-end premadonnas
Very nice Steve. I am pretty sure that a Mahler symphony on these speakers doesn’t even come close to the sound you hear in a concert hall. I am speculating of course, but I am pretty sure. High-end hifi is an unfulfilled dream.
If anyone's interested, the drivers on these cost no more than $6k, I can see Scan Speak Illuminator midrange (around $350), Scan Speak Revelator midrange x2 (less than $200 per driver) etc. They are the best drivers available though so they should great, but the price tag on them is little insane
Awesome review. I’ll never forget hearing Psycho Killer on the radio in 77 when I was 15. There was nothing like it. It changed music. Soon after came Just what I Needed by the Cars. Elvis Costello was cool too.
Interesting Steve. I just brought the Sasha DAW into my room which I'll be reviewing soon. I have my preliminary opinion but I can't say anything with certainty yet.
Whew, I thought that was the price per speaker. Now I just have to dig up and sell my Pez candy dispenser collection to afford it....well, at least for the first tweeter that you mentioned!
If you get a chance go out to LMC Home Entertainment in Scottsdale, AZ. They have on their showcase room the Wilson Audio WAMM Master Chronosonic thats $685,000 with pair of subsonics. The kind folks there were able to play few songs for me and - wow- that my friends for me was the most ultimate system I’ve ever heard. Luckily, it made me appreciate my system even more knowing I didn’t spend anywhere near that to get 80% of the way :-)
It amazes me that a $330K pair of speakers, in this day and age, use a soft dome tweeter and what appear to be paper cone drivers. So much for material progress in audio. I guess that the money went into the cabinet(s) and crossovers. Oh, and the research/testing... The only problem with this level of audio is the way it reveals faults and hence sucks all of the fun out of it.
Agreed,I've seen a lot of high end speakers here on youtube and so on.These really are hideous and have no real style .And yes the drivers actually look cheap.
@Joe Feyereisen the Chronosonic series (this and the Master) not only have angle adjustments but also have forward and back alignments as well. I spoke with Peter from Wilson last night about electronic crossovers, they have tested them extensively and just dont feel they are better than traditional crossovers but are open to them in the future when the tech advances. The crossovers they use are now made in house and sealed in a block of epoxy. They have even experimented with integrated power for their subs and determined it is a compromise they can not make.
lol. Considering the space concessions that you have to make, there is something to be said for the value of *any* Magnepan vs this speaker. At least they don’t ruthlessly reveal marginal recordings. I have never met a “bad” Maggie. They are all sweet-sounding, yet crisp. Add a pair of RELs and you’re off...
Seems a better deal to buy a top tier headphone set, cans+amp+preamp+source vs the impractical size and position requirements to achieve a listener sweetspot, plus the complexity of the speaker and driver designs to achieve "time alignment"
One thing that strikes me is that we always hear: "Never put your speakers close to the walls - and rightfully so in my opinion. At least for my system... But in almost every video I find on youtube - even about highest end systems - I find the speakers stuffed into the corners of the respective listening-room. And I just can't get my head around this...
Incredible resolution, small sweetspot. Next to impossible low impedance. Sounds a bit like the profile of an electrostatic/magnetostatic speaker to me. Any idea on how these compare ?
My paternal grandmother was a Wilson. Maybe we're distantly related. So I'd better be respectful and diplomatic. However, best audio design minimizes connections, as every juncture can create a small distortion. The fewer transducers and cross-overs the better, theory dictates. After 50, audiologists tell us, the male listener cannot hear much over 14-15kHz. So, chances are, the Senior Wilson and late CEO never, ever heard the full spectrum of his magnificent speaker arrays. Certainly, not the way younger ears can. I, for instance, have recently been tested by the audiologists at the VAMC and I cannot hear a note above 5kHz. Fortunately, no musical instrument goes that high, except for harmonics or overtones. This is why great orchestra conductors can practice their art at quite an advanced age. It is a crowning irony that when we are young and have wonderfully sensitive hearing, we seldom have the income to afford the very best in audio accuracy, like the Wilson XVX. As usual, Steve, your presentations are works of art and obviously a labor of love!
I am interested in the connection part of speakers like these . Does one just throw money at 10 grand cables? Or is there a thought given to the spec side? Thought I saw some kind of blue box on the floor in line with that speaker? How would you connect them to a system what gear would you use...any biwiring? And things like cable holders to mitigate vibration any thought given to proximity of electrical outlets.. ? All that jazz Thx.
This reminds me of that scene in Star Wars where Luke Skywalker was doing all those pushups and Darth Vader wanted his DOR. I’ll never forget Luke looking up at Darth and bleating out that he had no where to go... I feel like after watching half of this and the absurdity of these speakers and the price... and when Luke Skywalker had Darth Vader on the stand about the code red.
i would truly be curious to hear a side by side comparison of these speakers compared to big name brand speakers. on youtube its damn near impossible for me to understand why these speakers cost more than most people's houses. its like someone explaining how muck better 8k is over 4k when your eyes can only take in so much information. with respect i remain skeptical.
ooffft for 329k i was shocked to hear it has a bass port (as in bass reflex i assume) I thought for something so high end would be a transmission line or horn setup for sure.
July 25th, 2020 - 2nd View: I found this recording I'd love to hear on those speakers a couple days ago and wonder if this something you own Steve. *"The Big Gundown: John Zorn Plays the Music of Ennio Morricone."* ... so far as I remember I owned the 1st U.S. copies of Senor Morricone & this cover is good, i like it and I didn't think I would. --- Try it You'll Like it! - m.
Just old scanspeak drivers in an ugly box... No doubt that setup costs 5k max in drivers. Then you can get a mini dsp to blend them all together, I just don't get wilson audio. Focal, B&W, Paradigm etc all make thier own drivers and can justify a premium. Slapping together a crossover and a box with someones drivers seems silly to me...
So, this speaker can't cost more than $30.000 in the making and they sell it $329.000. I mean, this is a bigger steal than supercars. Supercars, at least, sometimes, can even gain value, speakers most likely don't.
As to the physical appearance, I assume they are going for a Mad Max Post apocalyptic aesthetic that I am not appreciating. But I absolutely support the “go for it” mentality behind constructing epic speaker systems like this, because there are transcendent musical listening experiences just out of reach of anything we’ve ever heard, and these guys are trying to get there. Good for them, they pave the way, supported by their well healed customers, and create the new roads of tech that we will all be able to travel on later. Why do all speakers do a pretty good job today? Partly because no expense has been spared, reaching for the stars, in the last 50-60 years on some of these fantastic creations.
As far as those "transcendent musical listening experiences just out of reach of anything we’ve ever heard", when I feel the need for that kind of experience, I go see a live musical performance in a good-sounding venue. I think spkr mfrs are charging less for their lower-priced, but good-quality, boxes because of copying good designs as you stated, but also using modern machines with great precision and design software. Same thing with lower-priced guitars. And, the cheap guitar makers are also copying/cloning the designs of the big companies.
RB We recently returned to the concert hall, after a long absence, and I can’t disagree. The dynamics we experienced - some at the “edge of audibility” as a reviewer described the performance - were beyond anything my system could handle. Featured Midori, playing Beethoven’s Violin Concerto, with Harth-Bedoya conducting the Ft Worth symphony.
RB oh, and thanks for putting those $100 concert seats into perspective - at $330,000 a pair, I can indeed justify a lot more symphony evenings just like that last one!
I thought a $350k McLaren is over price. Still struggle to think of the $60k new 2020 Corvette. Now, after watching this, I think the Corvette is a steal deal.....got to buy.
...that's actually not as silly as it sounds (pun intended). Might go along way to paying for these and letting more people enjoy them. "AudioBar" we don't have one in my city, but these speakers got me thinking. Though, I think this system is another $300K or so for the rest of it besides the Wilsons.
@@neuromantoo Yeah man! Looking like the acoustival brothers of the Mondoshawan (The 5th Element): plentyofpopcorn.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/the-fifth-element-aliens.jpg
Not comparing the two but the Technics Linear Phase Speakers (5000, 6000, 7000) from the late 70's were also time aligned and I wonder if this is why I enjoy them so much? Anyway, enjoyed the review keep up the good work.
I think that the law of diminishing returns sets in hyper quickly when one gets above the £50k point. Personally KEF Blades or B and W 800 series at around £20k would be my limit AND they would fit in my house both aesthetically and size wise. Above this the LDR sets in quickly enough. I can't truly can't imagine what paying this much will bring to the party. Oh well I'll wait until someone imports a pair into the UK and then I'll pop along. Hopefully they will let me be in the room with them. I still think they look like a PA system with shiny lacquer though.
Richard Singer You win $50million, and these could be the perfect speaker for you... and you completely negate the possibility that you’d buy them... even though you’ve not heard what they can do... that sounds like you are not an audiophile (or stupid if you prefer) lol
@@paultuerena , if being an audiophile means buying speakers that cost more than a Ferrari and dip below 1 ohm , then yeah , you're right , I'm not interested.
I sat down with Peter McGrath of Wilson Audio and he gave a private demo of the XVX, there is some tech in the XVX that was not available in Master Chronosonic, some new materials in the 7" drivers that out perform the previous model that is 3x the price. These speakers are truly amazing, the one thing McGrath pointed out, and was quite proud of, that I agree with, is these speakers have no real sonic signature. We played piano, jazz, electronic, and vocal, there is no signature sound, just truth. I know I can not say this about my LaScalas, I know you can not say about the $30,000 sonus fabers, and I love both of the speakers, these are just so special.
I've read no sonic signature in reviews for biggest and best before for 40+ years in audio magazine. They all eventually are heard and usually the newest biggest monster goes extinct real soon. Early Wilsons were not biggest monster speaker. They were studio. Let me know who is using those. How much of the cost goes to pay for some of those new stupid ads for these newest Wilsons? You know. Did the shoe mfg.pay for part of the ad?
@@joybrucebruce3377 The state of the art has always been a sliding scale. Unless you have a TARDIS* to jump forward (assuming there will be a forward with clever engineers still interested in designing and manufacturing music reproduction gear), this is about as good as it gets (I know, Magico M6s, MBL 101 X-tremes, et al.). And if that's what they charge for them and other people think it's worth spending the money for, really, what's it to you? I can't even come close to affording the little Wilson Tune Tots, but that doesn't stop me from being glad that such things as the Chronosonic XVXs exist.
*Of course, if you have a TARDIS with perception filters and psychic paper, you can pop over to any musical event you chose, e.g. Beethoven conducting at Theater am Karntnertor or the Beatles in EMI Recording Studios Room Two (renamed Abbey Road Studios in 1970).
It is NOT AS GOOD AS IT GETS. Music is like ART and tjhere are many interpretations. Music reproduction is only a facsimile of that art. That's like saying *this* or *that* forger is the best artist. I mean, you mean the guy who reproduces Leonardo's work or the one that reproduces Botero's work or the one that reproduces famous artist of Denmark Jim Harrison's work. Every speaker is a forgery artist. Every speaker forges that art differently. To each his or her own. If you ain't heard it, you don't know. That's why we need people like Steve. And that amount of change as in $$$ and industry influence, he ain't gonna mess up that sale. We just have to read between the lines. I understand his position. But not at his house. Maybe Daryl will give him a pair. Steve told ME what I needed to know.
By the way. I knew artist Jim Harrison. He painted "Disspearing America". Sadly he just passed away not too long ago. But the scene has changed and no one has taken a new crown as the top "Dissappearing America" artist. A new piece of art symbolizing disappearing America has not been named. But I vote a group of old audiophiles get together for a group painting by a famous artist or maybe a photo Google could sponsor a "best disappearing America video" artist award so a new artist could take the crown. I'm not opposed to it being a photographer or videographer as long as it is art.
Maybe they could award the top prize to an audiophile video. We are disappearing America and Wilson speakers symbolize why. [Some folks in the industry GONNA HATE ON ME for this idea]. Go ahead. I do it all in the name of pushing the American art form ahead.
And all you folks fretting on disappearing America being new, don't worry. It always is.
Joy&BRUCE bruce when asked about live performances Peter McGrath of Wilson said and I’m paraphrasing “live is live, our job is to recreate what the engineer that mixed it wanted you to hear based off of where he placed the slides on board”
But is sounded much more intelligent when he said it. Lol
Steve, this was one of the most interesting videos you’ve done in a while. You focused and spoke more about the recordings and the visceral feelings of the music and less about the equipment. This to me is what this whole journey is all about. Not how much we spend or how great this piece of gear or that piece of gear sounds. It’s all about the music and you let that shine
I keep discovering so many great albums thanks to you Steve. Keep it up!
It is never boring on this channel. Great video as always. It is like car magazine. Most of the tests are for general population but here and there is presentation of supersport car that drives the imagination. That is the beauty of life...
I'd be afraid those things would come alive and kill my family.
Look up images of the Kirk Douglas movie, "Saturn 3". The speakers are eerily similar to the 7 foot tall killer robot in that movie.
The all new Stratton Acoustics Elypsis 1512 Loudspeakers could be the Holy Grail very few have heard yet ! 😇😍🤫
I couldn’t even dream of having a pair of these. I have only heard Sasha in a local audio shop in Tokyo. And that was just amazing.
It's time Wilson did active high-end speakers. The residual limitation with these, are the external amps and the crossovers. Make the units self-contained with both digital and analogue inputs, with the ability to bypass internal digital circuitry.
If we could get Linn to lend their ‘Exakt’ technology to Wilson speakers, we’d really be on to something. I’ve heard this done with B&W 802D’s and they’ve never sounded so good.
I totally agree. I asked Daryl this question and his answer was so pitiful that passive components sound better than active.... hahaha
Wilson want to sell lots of cables and active wouldn’t allow them to do that. That is why
Hi, this guy likes the sound of his voice it's a pity we didn't hear anything about the sound quality of the loudspeaker cabinets
It looks like Megatron assimilated RadioShack
LoL or prime and megatron had a baby heheh
This poop 💩 is so loud,, I can't hear it!🤣
For $329,000 I'd pay musicians to come to my house and play music once a week.
neuromantoo the amplification and cabling will be the same again I suppose
@@leemartin2978 No amplification needed in my family room. You could play a toy triangle in it and hear it everywhere. Besides if I were having live music, it would be jazz, classical and acoustic rock and blues.
They are not as phase aligned as these speakers
@@portwill - Yes. Musicians are often mis-aligned in many ways. And, they will spill beer on any carpeted surface.
RB they even complain that it's pitch dark in the room and you wear pijamas
The studio I work at has these for their monitors. Standing between them is like being on the stage with the band or in the lap of the acoustic guitar player.
Unreal...
These are my favorite speakers to play 96kbit mp3 music through with my car stereo head unit that I'm running off a 9v battery.
For a $100k less, how does it sound vs Focal Grand Utopia EM EVO (@ Upscale Audio). Such would be the questions people with those sort of budgets would ask :D.
Art Form. Engineering Marvel. Precision. I respect those who create beauty...and reproduce beautiful music. WOW.
After selling my home and my car and my wife’s car I still wouldn’t be able to afford one speaker. I probably wouldn’t even be able to afford the cables.
Try and get a pair of used ones.
samsara107 future me will be living in a tent on the side of the interstate with my used Wilson’s.
@@grandmasteraj855 And a really long extension cord.
Maybe Nelson Pass will lend you a set of his Radio Shack cables and you can pay the difference on the loan. Seriously though thats what Nelson uses when designing his amps. He was buddies with Siegfried Linkwitz whose passion for magic cables was similar to Nelsons. Just saying.
And then there's the cost of the proper system to drive these monsters... Ouch. Forget it!
I always try to visit Innovative Audio when in the city. A fun review for sure. But the best part was discovering great albums by Phil Woods and Casey Abrams. They are already in my streaming digital library. Thanks so much Steve!
Thank you Steve for stoking the fire of those of us who are Wilson Audio fans, just three weeks ago I had the opportunity to demo the new Sasha Daw, some 30 years after my first encounter with the Watt puppy. Are Wilson Audio speakers overpriced and not exactly beautiful? Perhaps, but then you sit down and you do not want it do end.
I thought the Alexx were awesome, now comes Chrosonic XVX, Wow!.
So, with Wilson Audio, the emphasis is primarily in the shape and positioning of the drivers, and resonance damping . . . and not so much on the drivers construction, themselves . . . does Wilson make their drivers?
They do yes.
The Wilson speakers are almost identical in design to my 1985 Nestorovic System 16s. Wilson added adjustability and separate cabinets for the mid-range and tweeters. Mila Nestorovic was building time aligned speakers well before Wilson.
Hold on Steve, I was just sitting here at my IKEA desk clipping coupons for 25 cents off eggs. So for your 329K you get......a 1” soft dome tweeter. That’s beautiful.
Two! I think there's also a rear-firing tweeter.
Almost my favorite part of these videos Steve does is the albums he mentions... I almost always run and try it out on my system and impressed almost every time.
The AKG C24 mic you mentioned operates with a MS polarity pattern, meaning the two capsules are head to head 90 degrees offset. It is also a tube condenser. This technique gives the listener the 'holographic' 3 dimensional image you refer to. This technique is rarely used as it is only effective on single sources or small ensembles and has the disadvantage of being out of phase when panned or mixed with multiple sources. It also can sell for $20,000.
While trying to find the right words in you description you came close to be a poet!
Poetic description indeed!
I heard them powered by Audio Research equipment at Sunny AV in West Covina California. It was quite an experience
HI Steve!
I’m new of all of this, but it seems to me that Audiophiles are really looking for what’s “Not There”, ie, the Unintangibles, or the “Umami” if you will..of sound and audio. A Quest for noticeable silence, a breathing room, a bass drum pedal squeak, never before noticed. I LOVE it all!! Steve, Thanks for turning me on to this Channel. I really DIG IT!!!
Stephen Hylander thanks for being a part of it!
Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac ...
Steve, When you mention the Mr. Katz’ Jazz recording that was done on an AKG Stereo mic, and it is a point of reference recording (paraphrasing) It made me think of the Vintage Big Band recordings from he late 30’s-40’s. I was listening to Arie Shaw’s “Come Love” just yesterday. I happened to see the clip of the Sopranos episode where it was featured, and brilliantly so. I went back to the inter webs to see if I could find a decent facsimile.
Re Listening to that recording, touches upon everything that you were explaining in this review, and, goes to throw an even BIGGER wet blanket over the apologists who now treat auto tune as an instrument. These musicians were true artists, using their instruments with unbelievable dynamics....all while being recorded by usually only 1 center room mic! If you have a chance, go and give it a listen. You can hear 1939, you can feel the space of the recording room, you can sense the urgency of the entire band, wanting to nail it on the first take! And then the Vocals!!! I mean, Come on!!! It may sound like a huge leap, but these recordings (big Band, Big Room) very much remind me of the first 2 Led Zeppelin Albums, where Page uses the entire room and atmosphere, and especially space, as another instrument.
Sorry for the novel! Check out that track if you have a sec.
ruclips.net/video/CC8JUycGed4/видео.html
Well, at least I can afford the Phil Woods CD, which I bought long ago :-D
Tom Hohum See, you’re on your way there already.
Steve said the music he wanted to play wasn’t available for streaming. However, that Phil Woods album “Here’s to My Lady” is definitely available on Apple Music. I can hear the audiophiles gasping now but hey - I like it and I bet it’d sound great on $328k speakers.
I was just dreaming of owning a pair yesterday, what a coincidence. One day I do plan to visit them and listen to a pair, just one time at least
Emmanuel Ferguson id rather visit ps audio and hear the IRS-V
Steve, I checked out those Chesky recordings of Phil Woods and Casey Abrams, excellent recordings, that’s the way things should be done, thanks for the tip.
Slightly disappointed, I was excited to get a chance to see a very high end expensive speaker system and back end components. It would have been nice to see much more close up camera shots and short rendition of the system in action. Don’t get me wrong I’d like to hear the interesting by stories and music picks but that took up too much time and we were not able to get a good sense of the system and what it might be like to experience it in person.
My thoughts exactly. Whats that tall thing in the middle? Is it part of the system? A description of the components and the design principles would have been nice. Instead I get a lot of his face.
@@derekr5327 Yeah, this guy is quite terrible at making videos if you watch his other stuff. No idea why he's so popular.
Thankyou for sharing this significantly hearffelt moment.
There is No Way I'd spend that kind of money for any speakers. There are some pretty good speakers out here for way less.
Some pretty decent speakers with the right up stream equipment can make the magic happen for
a lot less than half a million dollars.
My local audio store just invited me to an event showcasing these speakers next week, with Wilson staff on hand. Looking forward to seeing how my impressions compare to yours.
Where? I know, in not invited, I'm unwanted, but where the heck are people buying these?
@@martytoo Music Lovers Audio, Berkeley
Heard the Wilson Watt/Puppy at a audio show many years ago. Have never heard anything better since. Will buy these speakers as soon as I hit the lotto!
Terrific stuff. Never boring.
Wilson Audio speaker do too have a sonic signature. It is subtler than most and I must admit they are quite good but they just are sort of oddly alien in a very subtle way. It is called the Uncanny Valley. You should read up on it. I mean they are quite nice but at the end of the day, the there that is there is just not quite there. With much more modest speakers, they have flaws but you know what those flaws are and you can adjust for these, these are just like living in Logan's Run or Dredd (the Karl Urban one).
Beautiful descriptions of these recordings. 👍🏼
Seems like speakers of this caliber deserve to play some classical music.... full orchestra, string quartets, solo piano, etc. It is much easier for pop and jazz recordings to sound good on many speakers. A good recording of a full orchestra is the best test for an "ultimate" speaker. Even though it's not your bag, Steve, I wish you'd start including some classical music recordings in your listening sessions. After all, Beethoven will be 250 this December!
I have never heard someone trying so hard to try to give a good review! Watch Steve’s other videos.. when he loves something.. it’s come though so much more naturally.. 😊
I agree. He always came back to how much detail they revealed from the recording but never seemed to get really excited about how they generally sound.
I had the opportunity to spend a lot of time with Wilson’s then flagship, Grand Slamm X1’s when they were introduced in the late 90’s (rich audiophile brother-in-law). I helped set them up in the dedicated 20 x 40 music room with Mark Levinson amps and all the other high end stuff. They were incredible 20 years ago so I can only imagine what these sound like. I will say that these speakers were more about tinkering for him than listening to music. Spent a lot of time moving those 500lb boxes 1/4” here and there. I fear that is what this level of audio is more about, which is fine if you have the scratch. Some people buy yachts, or sports cars they don’t use, so to each his own. I will say, that as perfect as the Grand Slamms were, they weren’t my favorite speaker to actually listen to.
Like most audiophiles I will never be able to afford such expensive high end speakers like these but what I am able to do is listen to Steve’s Narrative of his experiences and his sonic encounters of the third kind with high end audio and his marvelous descriptions of his encounters are so very captivating that I almost get a feeling of having shared in the experience. While speakers like these are far beyond my means, if I lived close by, I would visit often to experience their richness as often as I could with my favorite recordings, get my fix, before retreating back into the reality of my humble vintage system.
Thanks Steve you give such a masterful narrative of your experience that I felt as though I shared in the moment. Best Audiophile Reviewer on the 3rd Rock from the Sun. 😂😂
That's a ton of scan speak drivers for each speaker. I can't imagine what they must sound like. I've never had the opportunity to sit down and listen to Wilson's. Lucky enough though to have a bookshelf set of scans. Love them so much and always disappointed to hear other speakers.
It sounds like being there: The Ohm Walsh 2000!
Sooo which ones sounded the best. XVX, the big open back with the 15’s, or the large Italian ( I believe) horns you reviewed a short time ago.
I found it very refreshing the move to another location to do this review and most of all you're review of one of the most awesome speaker systems on the planet... And while we're on the subject of ultra-high-end systems; how about a greatly anticipated review of the MBL flagship?!
Thanks Steve. I would have appreciated a cost comparison approach in this analysis. None of us are surprised these are good, but compared to what at lower prices? Real people, make this analysis before buying. Also a tip, I bought one of the CD’s you mentioned. I would suggest putting an Amazon link in there so we can buy them through you and I believe you can get a little spiff for recommending it/them...
Holy caw! Nice job Steve!
When I started watching the video my brain dropped the last digit. I was thinking $32,900. But for an order of magnitude more I think I'd expect the Chromosome XXIII speakers to directly interface with my numb skull.
This stuff is cute but how many copies a year of these are sold? Can I pick up a used model with, say, 50,000 miles on it after it's been driven for a few years?
I would be interested to hear Steve compare these Wilson's to the Focal Utopia Grand EM's which Steve rated as the best of a number of other high end speakers many years ago. At the time he said the difference is that if you closed your eyes you would believe there was a symphony orchestra in the room. The technical reason why none of the other speakers could pull this off was because the main driver of the Focal's have an electromagnet on the 60 odd lbs of mass. Are the Focals still the best or do the Wilsons have an edge?
B&C IPAL woofers will shred anything that wimpy hifi can deliver & if you get a chance have a listen to KV2 Audio - blows away 99% of so called hi-end premadonnas
Sales guy at definitive audio demoed these for me. Probably the best speakers I'll ever hear in my life haha
Very nice Steve. I am pretty sure that a Mahler symphony on these speakers doesn’t even come close to the sound you hear in a concert hall. I am speculating of course, but I am pretty sure. High-end hifi is an unfulfilled dream.
Is Elliot still there? I played schoolyard basketball with him in the 70s and bought a pair of Innotech D-24s from his Brooklyn store in '77 or '78.
Yup, Elliot's the owner, he's not going anywhere!
The enclosure design is where they getcha! Those are all (maybe except the tweeter, but it could be too) Scanspeak drivers.
If anyone's interested, the drivers on these cost no more than $6k, I can see Scan Speak Illuminator midrange (around $350), Scan Speak Revelator midrange x2 (less than $200 per driver) etc. They are the best drivers available though so they should great, but the price tag on them is little insane
🎶I like dreamin’ cause dreamin’ can make you mine🎶
Awesome review. I’ll never forget hearing Psycho Killer on the radio in 77 when I was 15. There was nothing like it. It changed music. Soon after came Just what I Needed by the Cars. Elvis Costello was cool too.
Interesting Steve. I just brought the Sasha DAW into my room which I'll be reviewing soon. I have my preliminary opinion but I can't say anything with certainty yet.
lovely speaker.
Whew, I thought that was the price per speaker. Now I just have to dig up and sell my Pez candy dispenser collection to afford it....well, at least for the first tweeter that you mentioned!
If you get a chance go out to LMC Home Entertainment in Scottsdale, AZ. They have on their showcase room the Wilson Audio WAMM Master Chronosonic thats $685,000 with pair of subsonics. The kind folks there were able to play few songs for me and - wow- that my friends for me was the most ultimate system I’ve ever heard. Luckily, it made me appreciate my system even more knowing I didn’t spend anywhere near that to get 80% of the way :-)
It amazes me that a $330K pair of speakers, in this day and age, use a soft dome tweeter and what appear to be paper cone drivers. So much for material progress in audio. I guess that the money went into the cabinet(s) and crossovers. Oh, and the research/testing...
The only problem with this level of audio is the way it reveals faults and hence sucks all of the fun out of it.
Agreed,I've seen a lot of high end speakers here on youtube and so on.These really are hideous and have no real style .And yes the drivers actually look cheap.
@Joe Feyereisen the Chronosonic series (this and the Master) not only have angle adjustments but also have forward and back alignments as well. I spoke with Peter from Wilson last night about electronic crossovers, they have tested them extensively and just dont feel they are better than traditional crossovers but are open to them in the future when the tech advances. The crossovers they use are now made in house and sealed in a block of epoxy. They have even experimented with integrated power for their subs and determined it is a compromise they can not make.
lol.
Considering the space concessions that you have to make, there is something to be said for the value of *any* Magnepan vs this speaker. At least they don’t ruthlessly reveal marginal recordings. I have never met a “bad” Maggie. They are all sweet-sounding, yet crisp. Add a pair of RELs and you’re off...
@@billd9667 the flagship magnepan 30.7 are actually larger than these by two inches.
@@brianjacobs967 And over 10 times less expensive.
Seems a better deal to buy a top tier headphone set, cans+amp+preamp+source vs the impractical size and position requirements to achieve a listener sweetspot, plus the complexity of the speaker and driver designs to achieve "time alignment"
I just got mine in the mail they sound pretty good
Lol
Why are you not showing the speakers???
Impressive I can but only imagine how that must sound
I don't need to imagine - I've heard them & there are speakers that outperform the @ a fraction of the $$$ look @ Tekton speakers
Wilsons are a joke
One thing that strikes me is that we always hear: "Never put your speakers close to the walls - and rightfully so in my opinion. At least for my system... But in almost every video I find on youtube - even about highest end systems - I find the speakers stuffed into the corners of the respective listening-room. And I just can't get my head around this...
Anybody know what that pillar in the centre is?
Incredible resolution, small sweetspot. Next to impossible low impedance. Sounds a bit like the profile of an electrostatic/magnetostatic speaker to me. Any idea on how these compare ?
Much better imaging than electrostatics due to sound only coming out of the front of the speaker (back is not open like an electrostat).
Are the track names on Labradford deliberately like that or is it a technical mistake?
My paternal grandmother was a Wilson. Maybe we're distantly related. So I'd better be respectful and diplomatic. However, best audio design minimizes connections, as every juncture can create a small distortion. The fewer transducers and cross-overs the better, theory dictates. After 50, audiologists tell us, the male listener cannot hear much over 14-15kHz. So, chances are, the Senior Wilson and late CEO never, ever heard the full spectrum of his magnificent speaker arrays. Certainly, not the way younger ears can. I, for instance, have recently been tested by the audiologists at the VAMC and I cannot hear a note above 5kHz. Fortunately, no musical instrument goes that high, except for harmonics or overtones. This is why great orchestra conductors can practice their art at quite an advanced age. It is a crowning irony that when we are young and have wonderfully sensitive hearing, we seldom have the income to afford the very best in audio accuracy, like the Wilson XVX. As usual, Steve, your presentations are works of art and obviously a labor of love!
I am interested in the connection part of speakers like these .
Does one just throw money at 10 grand cables? Or is there a thought given to the spec side? Thought I saw some kind of blue box on the floor in line with that speaker?
How would you connect them to a system what gear would you use...any biwiring? And things like cable holders to mitigate vibration any thought given to proximity of electrical outlets.. ? All that jazz
Thx.
I have a pair of these in my garage gym. Pushing them with a Sony dh 190. Source unit is a vizio DVD player. Great review.
😂😂😂
I wonder how close your clips horns compare when it comes to presenting the room of the recording
This reminds me of that scene in Star Wars where Luke Skywalker was doing all those pushups and Darth Vader wanted his DOR. I’ll never forget Luke looking up at Darth and bleating out that he had no where to go... I feel like after watching half of this and the absurdity of these speakers and the price... and when Luke Skywalker had Darth Vader on the stand about the code red.
i would truly be curious to hear a side by side comparison of these speakers compared to big name brand speakers. on youtube its damn near impossible for me to understand why these speakers cost more than most people's houses. its like someone explaining how muck better 8k is over 4k when your eyes can only take in so much information. with respect i remain skeptical.
Can i hook them up with jumper cables?
Do they offer 15 or 30 years payment plans?
ooffft for 329k i was shocked to hear it has a bass port (as in bass reflex i assume) I thought for something so high end would be a transmission line or horn setup for sure.
Why have they thin close to the wall , stuck right in the corner
July 25th, 2020 - 2nd View: I found this recording I'd love to hear on those speakers a couple days ago and wonder if this something you own Steve.
*"The Big Gundown: John Zorn Plays the Music of Ennio Morricone."*
... so far as I remember I owned the 1st U.S. copies of Senor Morricone & this cover is good, i like it and I didn't think I would. --- Try it You'll Like it! - m.
Just old scanspeak drivers in an ugly box... No doubt that setup costs 5k max in drivers. Then you can get a mini dsp to blend them all together, I just don't get wilson audio. Focal, B&W, Paradigm etc all make thier own drivers and can justify a premium. Slapping together a crossover and a box with someones drivers seems silly to me...
I'm pretty sure there's a BOGO offer on the amplifiers
So, this speaker can't cost more than $30.000 in the making and they sell it $329.000. I mean, this is a bigger steal than supercars. Supercars, at least, sometimes, can even gain value, speakers most likely don't.
Steve - DId you catch David Byrne on SNL this past weekend?
TheBTG88 Yeah, incredible!
I had 2 pairs of them. In my dreams. In my sweetest dream.
Yes...is I also had two beautiful girlfriends listening with me..also in my dream.
5.1 system?
@@shadouxg7150 no, atmos.
Nice review. I'm wondering what would be the recommended amplifier wattage spec on those speakers!
Digimortal1622 It’s more about the quality of the watts than quantity, unless you want to play stupid loud
And the simple answer is ... ?
As to the physical appearance, I assume they are going for a Mad Max Post apocalyptic aesthetic that I am not appreciating. But I absolutely support the “go for it” mentality behind constructing epic speaker systems like this, because there are transcendent musical listening experiences just out of reach of anything we’ve ever heard, and these guys are trying to get there. Good for them, they pave the way, supported by their well healed customers, and create the new roads of tech that we will all be able to travel on later. Why do all speakers do a pretty good job today? Partly because no expense has been spared, reaching for the stars, in the last 50-60 years on some of these fantastic creations.
As far as those "transcendent musical listening experiences just out of reach of anything we’ve ever heard", when I feel the need for that kind of experience, I go see a live musical performance in a good-sounding venue.
I think spkr mfrs are charging less for their lower-priced, but good-quality, boxes because of copying good designs as you stated, but also using modern machines with great precision and design software. Same thing with lower-priced guitars. And, the cheap guitar makers are also copying/cloning the designs of the big companies.
RB We recently returned to the concert hall, after a long absence, and I can’t disagree. The dynamics we experienced - some at the “edge of audibility” as a reviewer described the performance - were beyond anything my system could handle. Featured Midori, playing Beethoven’s Violin Concerto, with Harth-Bedoya conducting the Ft Worth symphony.
RB oh, and thanks for putting those $100 concert seats into perspective - at $330,000 a pair, I can indeed justify a lot more symphony evenings just like that last one!
@@ProgRockKeys - You're welcome. Enjoy. 😎
Even though it really irritates me when people record speakers, I kind of wish you did it with these 😂
I done got a pair of these for Christmas.
I thought a $350k McLaren is over price. Still struggle to think of the $60k new 2020 Corvette. Now, after watching this, I think the Corvette is a steal deal.....got to buy.
How does the dynamic compression distortion sound on this system?
If somebody uses these in an audio bar, I would be glad to pay $20 for a drink to sit and listen.
...that's actually not as silly as it sounds (pun intended). Might go along way to paying for these and letting more people enjoy them. "AudioBar" we don't have one in my city, but these speakers got me thinking. Though, I think this system is another $300K or so for the rest of it besides the Wilsons.
A bit out of my price range but I'm glad there are folks who can fund innovation like this. If you have cats they'll be crawling all over those.
The big Wilson speakers always look so threatening. I would always feel being watched in the living room.
They are some diabolical looking hardware. "Listen to us, or we'll eat you."
@@neuromantoo Yeah man! Looking like the acoustival brothers of the Mondoshawan (The 5th Element): plentyofpopcorn.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/the-fifth-element-aliens.jpg
In my day when you wanted to see what you’re stereo could do you would put Dire Straits money for nothing on and turn it up to 11
Does the Cornwall IV sound "cheap" in comparison to these?
Not comparing the two but the Technics Linear Phase Speakers (5000, 6000, 7000) from the late 70's were also time aligned and I wonder if this is why I enjoy them so much? Anyway, enjoyed the review keep up the good work.
Would of loved to have a little sound demo through these monsters.. 👍👍👍👍
Gorgeous speakers!
I think that the law of diminishing returns sets in hyper quickly when one gets above the £50k point. Personally KEF Blades or B and W 800 series at around £20k would be my limit AND they would fit in my house both aesthetically and size wise. Above this the LDR sets in quickly enough. I can't truly can't imagine what paying this much will bring to the party. Oh well I'll wait until someone imports a pair into the UK and then I'll pop along. Hopefully they will let me be in the room with them. I still think they look like a PA system with shiny lacquer though.
If I win 50 million bucks in a lottery , I still wouldn't buy these speakers.
Daniele Sbordone You could just say you’re not an audiophile 😊
@@paultuerena or just not stupid?
Richard Singer You win $50million, and these could be the perfect speaker for you... and you completely negate the possibility that you’d buy them... even though you’ve not heard what they can do... that sounds like you are not an audiophile (or stupid if you prefer) lol
@@paultuerena , if being an audiophile means buying speakers that cost more than a Ferrari and dip below 1 ohm , then yeah , you're right , I'm not interested.
Daniele Sbordone fair enough, our priorities are clearly different