This is not the same engine, it has dual overhead camshaft but they removed the VTEC for better emission For this setup you sacrifice a lot of low end torque and the engine is heavier that's why it's slower than the single overhead cam VTEC engine
@@user1989fopfrs7 I believe that was the 3.5 VTEC in the previous generation. The new gen Pilot and Passport have a new 3.5 non VTEC so hopefully the con rod bearing issue is fixed in this new 3.5.
It cleans up more space, especially around cup holder and phone charger. I have my 2025 Pilot Elite on order. I have driven loaner Acura TLX with pushbutton transmission didn't see problem. We purchased 2 new Honda vehicles in family late spring. The 2024 Civic Sport Hatchback has cup holders on side of shifter and if you want to lay phone in front of shifter your reaching behind shifter in park. The 2024 HR-V EX-L AWD we got in family has cup holders and wireless charger in front of shifter. With pushbutton space is clear around console shifter.
I wish Honda would stop offering only one interior color in their Black Edition vehicles, black interior with red seating surfaces. It is very boring! Offer other colors like the ones available in lower trims. Great review and keep them coming.
This is not the same engine, it has dual overhead camshaft but they removed the VTEC for better emission For this setup you sacrifice a lot of low end torque and the engine is heavier that's why it's slower than the single overhead cam VTEC engine
I wish the current obsession with black painted wheels would finally die. I'm old enough to remember when "mag" wheels were coveted, and a nice looking set of alloys to me is like a little bit of classy jewelry on a car.. just sets the rest of it off nicely. Cheap steelies even come with junky plastic covers to make them look like they're aluminum. Why the hell would you take those nice alloy wheels and paint them black??? It's like people never outgrew middle school and think their cars are road Ninjas blending with the shadows or something. It's a freaking Honda Pilot!
My heart goes out to you and all the other farmers affected by this years drought. I know it’s very disappointing when you work that hard and then Mother Nature ruins your plans. I’m grateful that modern hybrids can withstand dry weather more than they could years ago. I remember the drought of ‘88 here in Iowa and that was brutal.
Might Honda consider a much bigger Pilot that would seat up to 8 and have a proper 3rd row accessible to taller individuals? Toyota did the same thing which resulted with the Grand Highlander.
well that's a bit of luck because at least Honda kept the V6, but at least they need to enhance it a bit to even get faster enough. it's no wonder why this had been around for at least 21 years.
No it's an Elite just with Black appearance package. Black and Red seats Perforated Leather Seating with Black Edition Logo on them Black Red stitching around heated steering wheel. The Black Editon comes in few other exterior colos besides Black Platinum White or Modern Steel Metallic Red. But the interior color is the same color. Then it has Black wheels and Black trim pieces and grille mirror cap A little Red ambient lighting at night around door handles. The Elite has some chrome trim pieces seating a few color choices. Ambient lighting white, wheels chrome spokes, body color mirror caps. But Elite and Black Edition have same exact features like Heads-Up Display in windshield. Perforated Leather front Ventilated Heated seats. 2nd Row Outboard Heated Seats. Puddle Entry Lights, Power folding side mirrors with Auto-dimming feature. Heated Wiper Windshield Zone Rain Sensing Wipers 360 Multi-View Camera System Bosec70 series Audio System. 12speakers. TrailSport trim for Pilot has extra ground clearance. Synthetic leather seats not Perforated or Ventilated It has off-road tuned suspension set-up USA spec version has 360 Multi-View Camera System TrailSport has true Captains chair 2nd Row Heated Seats it dosent have removable 2nd Row center seat so it has 7 passenger seating only. The Elite, Black Edition Touring and other trims have 8 passenger seating with 2nd Row removable stowaway center seat. The TrailSport has a Full-sized spare tire underneath vehicle. Other trims have doughnut spare underneath. TrailSport has a Trail Logic driving characteristic built in.
7.2 0-60 is possible, according to other publications. I wonder if it was in sport mode and if the transmission was in sport mode. Also Honda says don't waste your money on midgrade or premium fuel but the higher octane does appear to produce more power. Also, the difference might be a brand new engine vs a broken in engine. Mine got pretty poor milage and had less performance until around 1k miles then both improved quite alot. Also the 10 speed has become much smoother.
@@ec1675That transmission recall affected other Honda/Acura vehicles. I have a 2000 Acura 3.2TL. Acura replaced my transmission in 2007 about 70,000+ miles on it. I still have it with 109,000 but my 2025 Pilot Elite is on order now. I still have the vehicle
John Davis is a living legend
💯!
Indeed he always has
Never owned a Honda. Decided to buy a 2023 pilot Trailsport. So far it’s been one of my favorite midsize SUVs I owned over the years.
it’s a van
@@user1989fopfrs7 The ODYSSEY is a van, Pilot is an SUV!
@@user1989fopfrs7nah it's not a van. Odyssey is a better as a van.
@ it’s a fwd based crossover it’s a van. If you want a real
SUV buy a 4 runnwr or land cruiser
@@user1989fopfrs7 with their lovely turbo 4 cylinder engines with $50K plus price tag? No thanks!!
John Davis is "The Ultimate Announcer"!
At least Honda kept the V6, even though it isn't fast.
slow and recalled
This is not the same engine, it has dual overhead camshaft but they removed the VTEC for better emission
For this setup you sacrifice a lot of low end torque and the engine is heavier that's why it's slower than the single overhead cam VTEC engine
@ and it still makes the same 280hp and like 260lbs of torque. Nissan had a 300hp V-6 20 years ago lol
@@user1989fopfrs7Wrong and wrong
@@iamthedutchbro you need another brain bro. nO one wants unreliable low power poor mpg honda engines
We got ours in April. Im thrilled for the old-school V6 and small touch screen.
slow, inefficient and recalled
@67keyakaren68 what's your car of choice?
@ pretty much anything in class is better. Chevy Traversr, Jeep Cheerokee, Grand Highlander, Palisade, hyundais version. mazda CX90
9 inch touchscreen is small? I feel it's more like the right size without being gigantic, jutting out and becoming an obstruction or a distraction.
@@user1989fopfrs7LMFAOOOO this mf really put all the unreliable American cars over HONDA 😂😂😂
All motor/ no turbo? That’s sounds like high reliability to me.
they just recalled 1.4 million lol…
@ What specifically was the issue?
@@bikdav just google honda recalls, their v-6 has been hugely problematic
Excpet the transmission lol
@@user1989fopfrs7 I believe that was the 3.5 VTEC in the previous generation. The new gen Pilot and Passport have a new 3.5 non VTEC so hopefully the con rod bearing issue is fixed in this new 3.5.
Get rid of tough button gear selector
It cleans up more space, especially around cup holder and phone charger. I have my 2025 Pilot Elite on order. I have driven loaner Acura TLX with pushbutton transmission didn't see problem.
We purchased 2 new Honda vehicles in family late spring.
The 2024 Civic Sport Hatchback has cup holders on side of shifter and if you want to lay phone in front of shifter your reaching behind shifter in park.
The 2024 HR-V EX-L AWD we got in family has cup holders and wireless charger in front of shifter.
With pushbutton space is clear around console shifter.
I wish Honda would stop offering only one interior color in their Black Edition vehicles, black interior with red seating surfaces. It is very boring! Offer other colors like the ones available in lower trims. Great review and keep them coming.
Glad they replaced the 9 speed ZF transmission that failed after 72,000 miles on our 2017 Pilot. Not as “reliable” as expected for a Honda.
Did Honda pay (or partially) for the replacement transmission?
No longer has ZF
@@jaydibernardo4320
Maybe, if they bought the extended warranty.
The ZF9 was garbage... I had issues in my '18 MDX at just 15,000 miles
The loss in 0-60 time, and the removal of VTEC is going to drive some customers right into the arms of Toyota imo.
Toyota going to turbo four cylinders is going to drive some customers right into the arms of Honda imo.
I noticed that too. I wonder why they wanted to make a vehicle slower
@@iamthedutchbro The 2025 Lexus ES, IS, and GX, and the 2025 Toyota Grand Highlander all have 6-cylinder or V6 engines:
Never liked Toyotas front Grille wan't Honda's IVTM4 Torque Vectorng AWD in Pilot.
You can thank emission regulations for the change in the engine valve train.
Best in class
Might Honda consider a Type R variant for the Pilot?
Glad my pilot got reviews by the legend John Davis.
New Honda + John Davis !!!! Could Saturday get any better :D
Pilot is super! Just one q, should I concern the VCM?
Finally this gen pilot looks like an SUV. Previous looked like mini van. Honda needs more sporty style and performance!
2026 Honda Passport they fawning over now. To be released early next year.
The “new” 3.5 V6 DOCH still has no torque and VCM, GDI and a timing belt. Deal breaker. No thanks.
Love Pilot excellent suv.
Why would it be so much slower than the Trailsport trim they tested 2 years ago?
The 2022 pilot trailsport had a 9 speed transmission. I also believe it was tuned for more low end torque for off roading.
it’s always been slow
This is not the same engine, it has dual overhead camshaft but they removed the VTEC for better emission
For this setup you sacrifice a lot of low end torque and the engine is heavier that's why it's slower than the single overhead cam VTEC engine
@@user1989fopfrs7Honda hater 🤡🤡
@@xzimxzim makes sense. this one probably gets better mileage/lower emissions.
I wish the current obsession with black painted wheels would finally die. I'm old enough to remember when "mag" wheels were coveted, and a nice looking set of alloys to me is like a little bit of classy jewelry on a car.. just sets the rest of it off nicely. Cheap steelies even come with junky plastic covers to make them look like they're aluminum. Why the hell would you take those nice alloy wheels and paint them black??? It's like people never outgrew middle school and think their cars are road Ninjas blending with the shadows or something. It's a freaking Honda Pilot!
U mad
My heart goes out to you and all the other farmers affected by this years drought. I know it’s very disappointing when you work that hard and then Mother Nature ruins your plans. I’m grateful that modern hybrids can withstand dry weather more than they could years ago. I remember the drought of ‘88 here in Iowa and that was brutal.
Solid updates
My 2007 Ridgeline with 300k miles does 0-60 in 7.0 seconds lol
Might Honda consider a much bigger Pilot that would seat up to 8 and have a proper 3rd row accessible to taller individuals? Toyota did the same thing which resulted with the Grand Highlander.
well that's a bit of luck because at least Honda kept the V6, but at least they need to enhance it a bit to even get faster enough. it's no wonder why this had been around for at least 21 years.
This engine has no VTEC that's why
@@CoasterTurboIt has Cam Phasers.
Not color matching the trim costs less 😮
I heard it's very difficult to change the oil in the pilot for the DIY guy
Is it worse than my wife's '15 Ford Escape?
@@rossw5576 Nothing is worse than an Escape.
Pokey and expensive for what you get.
Why can't they put this V6 in the new Accord?
it's the emissions that won't let them put the V6 in the new Accord that's the problem.
emissions, genius
The exterior looks smaller than the previous generation. The rear window especially.
Should be called the "Generic Edition"...
Good looking vehicle! But also looks slow accelerating off the line. That 0-60 run is a serious step backward.
VCM NO BUENO!!!
A $55K+ soccer dad grocery getter...
Make mine in Flint Black, please.
Tendria q tener x lo menos 320 HP para 2025
8+ seconds to 60 with a V6 is absolutely unacceptable. Especially at $55K
Recalls
So a trail sport but like a high country edition gm
No it's an Elite just with Black appearance package. Black and Red seats Perforated Leather Seating with Black Edition Logo on them Black Red stitching around heated steering wheel.
The Black Editon comes in few other exterior colos besides Black Platinum White or Modern Steel Metallic Red. But the interior color is the same color.
Then it has Black wheels and Black trim pieces and grille mirror cap
A little Red ambient lighting at night around door handles.
The Elite has some chrome trim pieces seating a few color choices. Ambient lighting white, wheels chrome spokes, body color mirror caps.
But Elite and Black Edition have same exact features like Heads-Up Display in windshield. Perforated Leather front Ventilated Heated seats. 2nd Row Outboard Heated Seats. Puddle Entry Lights, Power folding side mirrors with Auto-dimming feature.
Heated Wiper Windshield Zone
Rain Sensing Wipers
360 Multi-View Camera System
Bosec70 series Audio System. 12speakers.
TrailSport trim for Pilot has extra ground clearance. Synthetic leather seats not Perforated or Ventilated It has off-road tuned suspension set-up
USA spec version has 360 Multi-View Camera System
TrailSport has true Captains chair 2nd Row Heated Seats it dosent have removable 2nd Row center seat so it has 7 passenger seating only. The Elite, Black Edition Touring and other trims have 8 passenger seating with 2nd Row removable stowaway center seat.
The TrailSport has a Full-sized spare tire underneath vehicle. Other trims have doughnut spare underneath. TrailSport has a Trail Logic driving characteristic built in.
Political Edition 😂
No way that 0-60 run is right. It’s a sub 7 second run all day
Except it's not
This engine has no VTEC that's why
7.2 0-60 is possible, according to other publications. I wonder if it was in sport mode and if the transmission was in sport mode. Also Honda says don't waste your money on midgrade or premium fuel but the higher octane does appear to produce more power. Also, the difference might be a brand new engine vs a broken in engine. Mine got pretty poor milage and had less performance until around 1k miles then both improved quite alot. Also the 10 speed has become much smoother.
**Blacky dision** 😂
Very nice, just not my cup of tea 😊
Too bad Honda has cheapy-cheaped on things and are having serious quality & durability issues.
Honda is no longer reliable 😢
Owned a 2000 odyssey earlier, had to replace transmission 5 times. 2 by Honda, 3 on myself. Just terrible.
@@ec1675Lol, you chose the only Odyssey generation to have transmission issues, all the other ones are fine.
They are.
Agreed
@@ec1675That transmission recall affected other Honda/Acura vehicles. I have a 2000 Acura 3.2TL. Acura replaced my transmission in 2007 about 70,000+ miles on it.
I still have it with 109,000 but my 2025 Pilot Elite is on order now.
I still have the vehicle
Does it have the same v6 engine that’s being investigated??? I will pass honda for at least few years.
No
How tf do you go from 6.2-6.5 sec 0-60 times probably 5 years ago with this thing to now 8.2 sec trash 👎 not worth it.
Terrible.
V-Tech YO. Cam phasers now instead of
@@J.W.W. Still terrible might as well buy a Hyundai Palesade or a Kia Telluride they're in the high 6s
I’m eagerly awaiting the ‘26 Passport in early (I hope) ‘25. It looked great at its debut at the LA show
@JayBD626 I want an Acura MDX Type S.
Will sell like hotcakes
Don't really care how much carbon it puts out. All the plants love carbon. Buy American!!!!!
American brands? Or made here? These are made here.
Made in Alabama, Roll Tide!
Toyota and Honda mostly use US made parts
too much black, not enough torque and crap for mileage... no thanx. LOL
Make mine in Flint Black, please.
Make mine in Flint Black, please.