Hello! First of all, Nick, thank you for giving me the opportunity to share these ideas and workflows with your community, I'm so grateful. Additionally thank you to everyone who watched and shared their thoughts. I admit I had serious doubts this message would sit well, after all not a lot of people perform like I do, but then I saw that FORCE was nominated for a TEC for "Best Musical Instrument Hardware" and nearly cried. The award went to the MOOG One which absolute deserved it
@@Talibooboo Hahaha...yeah, ok, I was just refering to his gear-handling ability... But thanks for the comment, I learned about some characters I never knew their existence....(not that I would have missed something of course)...chears
All the announced updates look great. I can’t wait to use the arrangement feature. Thanks for the long hours everyone is putting into this. I know it’s a ton a work to build a new product.
Hello Christophe. Some people say to me that the Force is not a sequencer. Is it right. I am looking for a standalone machine to make my compositions with audio and midi track like in a DAW. When I am looking to the BETA version video from Mike, I understand that It will be like a DAW? Is it? Thanks
MrBinsique right now, you can’t arrange tracks along a horizontal row like you can in a DAW. I use it as my main midi controller. Even with a couple limitations, I’m still happy with my purchase. I have owned it since February 2019. I wish Akai would build some companion products e.g. an audio interface so I can have more than two audio inputs and interface for an external monitor like Elektron’s Overbridge.
@@chriserikbarnes Hello and thank you very much for this answer. Would it be better if I turned to an Akai MPC X then? Thanks again and have a nice day!
MrBinsique that is a difficult choice. If you are buying today, then the MPC X might be better suited to your goals. Akai (InMusic) is behind their previously announced target, but given the current situation that isn’t all that surprising. Once the next update drops, then the difference in capability will be negligible.
I bought the Force recently -primarily on the back of the 3.04 update. I’m an out and out Ableton guy and I was one of many who saw this as a rather expensive APC40/ Push2 alternative. 4 weeks in and I have to say I have HARDLY USED the Ableton integration. Don’t get me wrong, it’s excellent. You can control most of the key stuff in Ableton directly from the Force . But the Force is just a brilliant, intuitive standalone performance instrument. Buy it for that purpose and I promise you won’t be disappointed. No affiliation with Akai etc etc. Brilliant demo of what this beast is capable of, bravo.
You were part of the reason I took mine out of the closet. Thanks for having a great new perspective on creating on this very underrated and now at 999 very affordable INSTRUMENT.
He's correct when he said its the most misunderstood product on the market. My gut feeling is Akai hasn't quite managed to get the message out there about what exactly it is and how you could/would use it. For people just starting off this is what you really should consider carefully over the use of a laptop and software. You will be much more connected to your music with this and you will have almost zero distractions during the music-making process. I want to get one my self at some point and make live off the cuff tunes. I hope Akai keeps working with this concept.
Nice points, but I'd feel more connected to my music via a 23" display in my studio that I don't have to crane my neck at all to see. That, a Launchpad Pro, Ableton (even Live Lite), and a mini-key keyboard can do a lot, for a lot less money. Also, touchscreens are annoying, especially in a live context, when heat and sweat make the screen not work. I like Akai's enthusiasm, but I don't know... the software (whether built-in to their hardware or the MPC software standalone or a plugin) is buggy, and there is literally entirely too much touching/menu-diving, etc, just to access some basic core functionality. However, major performance points awarded for his round-robin hip-hop thing near the beginning. Very nice.
Depends on the genre you are doing. I like to split my kicks and bass into 3 frequencies and have the notes not placed on top of each other to ensure the most punch and clarity, does this do that easily? I have gone from software to hardware and back again, I prefer a laptop for bass and drums, due to being able to lock the phase in serum. I use hardware here and there for other sounds and effects.
So your don't have an Akai Force, have you used one? And yet you are telling everyone, including someone that has used a computer setup with a fast solid workflow for 20 years, how this is going to improve them!? If I get any more connected with my music I will become the music. It is fashionable to talk of laptop free hardware setups, and that is all it is fashion. We invented computers for a reason, total domination. The Akai Force is nice, but it is just hardware with CPU and OS, no different to a computer setup with controllers, other than the limited functionality. You need to grow the fuk up.
It is an interesting product. I got one about two months ago and I love it, but it is missing some features and UI design is a little wonky. It feels like Akai's red-headed step child in a lot of ways. People have been waiting for the 3.0.5 update for almost a year now. But if you learn it's limitations and how to work within them, it is a pure joy to write music with it.
Great vid Nick + Sonic State! I Use the Force for live gigs, launching simple clips i produce in my DAW. This vid shows me there is so much more potential.
Finally getting used to the workflow on the Force. I have to say being a high level user of Maschine and Fairly experienced with Ableton Push, the Force is with you. The thing is really incredible. The price alone get's you more than literally anything out there. Hype and 3 other real good sounding synths. It is real easy to load up a future bass kit and duplicate pads modify them to make huge sounding tracks. The FX are top notch too. Literally made a dope track in my kitchen drinking my coffee before work. Was gonna get a Maschine+, now I can't think of a reason too. It has a learning curve for sure, one of the hardest I might even say but worth the patience and effort. And the PADS feel amazing.
@@user82938 may the 1st may force b with u.. anyways who else to have on the team than the guy whod give his life to promote te forcee?? if he hasnt already.. aint saying per se its a bad product but but but but it looks like a bad version od the push(sorry to repeat this again.) and the seller guy isnt right either, you can get a second hand push for lets say for 150 dollars and ableton suite for 400.. im too old t use all this but this product is not such a bargain as they say it is.. im happy to be proved to be wrong.. peace..
Xactly! I almost fall into the trap that One can be better. At least has knob lower on the device, so might not get me into "carpal tunnel syndrome" like Force :) ... but no, thanks. Just One more product with new/same issues to be misunderstood
@Divinital One or used Force for $580? ... though it the price of Push 2 I am so happy with, which is really possibility unlimited. Get ready for serious love/hate relationships :)
@Divinital Gotcha! DP is one of my top too. I was afraid One IS toward hip-hop beats artist. Lacking of the flow making house, ambient, electronic song I think can be a struggle. Even after fck-up wasting time on Force (that supposedly for Akai unstuck from hip-hip), I was thinking - One is smaller and can do limited and standalone inspiration capture. Then grabbed MPC always on my iPad and remembered why never really play - lack of flow. But i like One from the family the most, I can be a dream machine for beats maker.
@Divinital Don't get me wrong, beatmaking is a great style. I doing it sometimes and have engraved into many tracks. Just did not want to get more into it, stay electronic and play what Daft Punk did in their Homework album (! cool right?!?). But that's what MPC turn me into, so as Native Maschines And if you think Akai gave MPC software with Force free - no f. way! They charged $200 for the tool. And the only tool you can make a pack for Force is MPC software. You pay $1,5K and they ask for more, how cool is that LOL But there is plenty of controllers and even standalones for every style and everyone. Akai just tend to make it look like that's the only one. I made better tracks (on my scale) and felt more inspired with OP-Z at the same year. And there is Isla, Novation, Roland .... whoever. And for the past decade iPhone and/or iPad never let me down being a standalone and a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT is always in your pocket :)
@Divinital Don't listen me, all the music tools (just like music itself) is a personal thing, you may find it best for you, while they don't make to love it back with 1/3 down price to $999 :D
Why so much hating on the Force here? I own it since 2 months now and despite its flaws and needs-for-updating, this device has upgraded my creativity and workflow like no other device ever did. @Nick Trikakis: please continue your enthusiasm and commitment to the Force and ignore the haters(they just don 't embrace change)!!
After year with the device, screen is something I can't say bad word about. Touch is accurate and viewing angle is really good. I really hope Akai gets its shit together and they provide features promised...
Thanks Nick for showing your skills. This video put the nail in the coffin on my decision to invest in the AKai Force. I love and agree. This is an instrument
I’ve had this for little over a week now and i must say it’s the most responsive and quick loading piece of kit i’ve owned, and i’ve previously owned a lot of different brands in the past from elektron to Roland, drum machines and groove boxes. It’s built like a tank too and at £899 it’s great value for what you get.
Great video! Perfect confirmation that nothing good is happening and they only Force you think its good. No regrets I got rid of Force soon enough (well 9 months was a long struggle, dreaming, bug reporting, waiting on promises .... and not making a single full song) :)
Akai - This is a performance instrument. Electronic music should be performed. Moaners in comments - Where’s my song mode so I can just hit play and wave my arms about?
I want song mode so I can create backing track that I can manipulate on the fly while I sing and play guitar/synth over it, and not have to lug my laptop and audio interface around. I’m interested in a standalone DAW, not a performance instrument. The button mashing is cool I guess but the Force has much more potential than that, to be a standalone DAW, that’s what we want to see.
@@AvantHarde Hello, then, if I am looking for a machine for replace my computer at beast, I would buy a Force and not a MPC X? I would like to have the arranger mode! It is very cool. Thanks
@@MrBinsique not too sure how capable it will be with that touch screen, probably just to give you access to basic editing and a bird's eye view of the arrangement... you are better off with a laptop still running MPC software if that's your Daw of choice
@@nicktrikakis thanks so much for the reply. Yes definitely, trying to pass my music onto my kids and the tech they get to grow up with is amazing far in advance of the Akai S950 I started with. Cheers.
How is this done that drums/samples were asssigned to all 64 pads ? To me it looks like Force allows me to only fill 16 pads at bottom left quarter. Any tutorials ? Thanks !
He´s so right about the reception of this thing, i think that we have not got a chance to taste it, sounds and looks great! Maybe if they could show other ways in which it could be used, that would be amazing. I mean... almost every demo out there show its capacity only on the House/techno genre, maybe they should demonstrate that the Force can go way further than that...
I believe that Akai are a bit blinded by the dollar signs that they only see when they look at the EDM performance market. It seems that they don't care to place any real significant emphasis on anything else. It's like they have forgotten that their legacy was built on their Midi Production Center line of machines.
ijm 809 no not at all. We think force to will do for the stage what MPC did for the studio 30 years ago. Become a central midi hub, we have bigs plans for midi I/O. You’ll love it :) Also if you look at the live market in electronic music, well, it’s really small. There is an intrinsic motivation behind developing performance. We feel we’re on the cutting edge of that space and want you to know we’re working on it but that doesn’t mean we won’t continue to provide the solutions our users are accustomed too. Thank you for watching and I hope this help further explain :).
I’m simply excited to share my passion. NAMM is a huge show for AKAI and to have nick ask for a video was an honor. Not sure what I did to make you say this but I genuinely love doing what I demonstrated
STILL PENDING IMPORTANT THINGS: _row duration _instruments dont respond to MIDI channels _midi tracks cannot have knobs assigned to CCs _we need stem audio export per track or subgroup _play and do other things (mixer, launch clips etc) at the same time is not possible I like my Force but this lacks i mentioned make.me feel that is not good enough to be the center of my studio. And i am really desiring It!
You have indeed LISTENED to those Facebook posts, but be more of a worker bee. That's what these guys want to see. I dig your style a bit more because you LISTEN. There's a lot in that. I want to see the drum synth, the arranger mode, and some other requests made. There is also some errors in the program. But good work Nick! And you work the fingers and trap beats nicely!
Nick is an awesome fingerdrummer no doubt! Also much of a salesman... Its his great skill, not the force itself! But the arranger: So far its only ANNOUNCED! It was ANNOUNCED ages ago already! Same goes for drum synth and diskstreaming... Ableton Integration was ANNOUNCED a year ago and came out 11 months later! No trust in InMusic. When can we map midicontrollers multitimbraly? Thats all i care about.
(whoever I was replying to here deleted their comment ... I presume they were embarrassed after I called them out ... you can deduce from my response exactly what they were complaining about) >>>>>>>>>> other companies release software quickly and it's full of bugs and lacking extra features ... software companies who take their time developing and thoroughly testing their code deliver quality instead of garbage ... they announced it's coming and it is indeed coming ... where's the lie??? ... how have they lost my trust??? ... you mean because they want to give me quality software ... I should be angry at them because they're dedicated to quality??? ... if they want to lose my trust they would've released crap software last year full of bugs with no bells or whistles ... your thinking is completely backwards
We addressed all of those things this year at NAMM. Peep the Facebook users group for more on that. I’m working hard to evolve the culture at InMusic. They have given me an opportunity to be creative and discover these techniques I’m sharing and that’s the beginning of a good trend. Now that I’ve been there for a while I’ve learned a lot and feel we’re righting the ship. I feel you guys, I do, I also didnt like that live integration was announced 11 months ahead. These things are fixable and I’ll do everything I can to do my part in contributing. Thank you for watching and hope to gain your trust back :)
Yup and you can do it with many other devices, so it's a little odd to me he used this as a selling point. Feels more like a technique demo rather than a hardware demo.
Ub3rMario this was just a workflow demo. I mentioned it being used to create rhythms before but not on a scale like this. More of a tip than a selling point :).
HELP ME, I don't know what to thinking between MPC X, Force or COMPUTER? Is it possible to record only in the arranger mode? Like in a classic DAW? Without using the computer. And is it possible to finalise a song in standalone mode, without the computer?! Thank you.
At 7:30 it seems like he has an arp on the right side of the program and another arp on the other side of the program for drums? I don't know how to set up a drum program to do that. Very cool. This machine is under-appreciated.
Yeah, it's pretty cool, but lacking basic and important features such as different tempos in a project, disk streaming and a propper midi clock. If Akai wants this to sell they need to fix these things otherwise it makes the instrument pointless in many scenarios
Itamar Afek i couldn’t agree more. This is a very powerful machine..and i could cope with the I/O lacking a couple more ports.. But i won’t buy one before they get those basics. I want to make music..and i don’t want to be hindered by hardware limitations like disk streaming or a midi clock. Plus...the computer is still the best host for VST libraries..and MIDI instruments.. Yes i want to perform, and i want to not have to make electronic/beat music. Offer us more VST support, so that one can play whatever one wants.. ANY sort of instrument. thankso
A violin is pointless in many scenarios. Bagpipes are pointless in many scenarios. Perhaps this device is not meant for the scenarios of which you speak
@@metacated The force is in many ways pointless as a center for a live setup, which is kind of what it was ment to be... You just can't play a live show longer than 20 minutes if you have stems because of the memory running out. It has problems syncing to other gear. And no option to automaticaly change the tempo betwin songs. Also no arranger but I'm told that's coming soon.
@@itamarafek yes.. exactly.. Base features that give you a Solid base that u can rely upon.., as well as options..diversity..opening possibilities. I really like the Force. I wanted to buy one..but further inspection stopped me. Its unbelievable..that u can even install a 2Tb SSD under the AKAI Live, for eg..but then..only have ~1.6Gb of room, in the memory to work with..
I was even close to understand that they try apologize, saying "misunderstood", but seems use it to sell to few more suckers who would think they dreams came true :)
Can't see anyone complaining about his diddling technique. What I'd like to know on these is, if you plug the Akai MPC MIDI thing in, does it give you all the features of the MPC range? If you plug in the Akai APC MIDI thing to an MPC does it give you all the features of the Force? We know they share the same OS, and since Akai make these controllers it seems an obvious thing to do
Great to watch 😃👍 This is a super device as an instrument performer, a DJ box, a studio creator or just for whatever fun you want to use it as. The thing is you can make this your own for whatever purposes and if you want to use it with the DAW software or export to a DAW of your choice you have that flexibility. I own this and also own the MPC X and while I do not use it for HipHop or just typical beats I do use it with 4 Elektrons and a midi synth and have composed and wrote movie film production scores on it just because I can. Also created some 80s synth and some complex modern synth/house style tracks on it as well. All good fun and easy to do if you put the effort in to learn like all things. So looking at this Force is a wonderful instrument/music creator tool that is all down to making this your own. For those reading this or wanting to get into music or are professional artists, just ignore these moron brainless moaners who just think they can say a few words like ohh there’s not song mode’ or ‘no repeat is common’ or AKAI ‘are trying to just sell and market this’ - really why are there then at NAMM along with a thousand other makers just to so people look at their products - I mean some of the dumbest comments I have read on here are by thick idiot trolls who.are not real musical inclined people but most likely jealous chip on their should pretend know it all wannabes. This guy in a few mins did more as a demo than you moaners could do in your life time and that is just on one product. This is a fab product and people have a choice.
Most of the comments comes from owners of the device. I personally has been waiting song mode for almost year now. We are trying to warn people from making same stupid mistake buying REALLY UNFINISHED product. Force is many ways really wonderful instrument, but lack of PROMISED features and huge pricedrop in less than year is something I cannot accept. Force is nice but it is far from reliable and ready. I've spend 1400e for it and I can't even sell it without big money loss. If Akai gets its shit together soon and really makes this device what it is supposed to be, I am willing to buy another one. Now it is mainly collecting dust.
I owned mpc live bought 2018 we were promised nothing and there had been no updates...then boom...free great stuff. I bought force and can understand everyones fustration...but know from the mpc I bought wow they really did make it a different beast...be patient...have a bit of faith. And always buy products on what they do today...not next week! Also apart from Novation theres no other company who gives you FREE updates...they just sell you mk2s.
I've been wondering if this unit wouldn't be a great company for a few elektron boxes and some synths! It seems like the obvious one. A bit expensive but i might find one second hand ... so lets hope no song mode xD
Ahem - performing live electronic music is not "always" a laptop + other gear. Plenty of people are doing hardware-based live electronic performance. He's right that it's pretty much always an amalgamation of gear. Few devices are satisfactory entirely on their own, even the Octatrack, Deluge or Akai units. I doubt I'd be satisfied with only a Force either though, particularly with the memory limitations I've heard of. But some of us prefer to work with MIDI more than loop samples, in which case you either need external synths or a beefy CPU and highly flexible, quick, and deep interface for live manipulation (I think the Force may well be the most promising contender in that last arena).
I meant to say laptop or a bunch of pieces (ie. electron, synth, etc). in all my research unless it’s a launchpad or midfighter performance you have what I described. I’ll add you can connect midi and cv to force too :).
Been repeating that to myself as a mantra for over a year now. My takeaway from this video is that disk streaming is not coming any time soon, if at all. They have wheeled out their top gun finger drummer to highlight what you can get out of it with banks of short one shot samples. That’s great for finger drummers but evades the question that so many , who perform seamless live sets in a different but equally valid way , have been asking over the past year . The Octatrack has had disk streaming since inception 9 years ago. Likewise, The Deluge - an offering from a tiny boutique manufacturer has found no problem with its implementation. Yet Akai, one of the biggest players in the field, have dropped the ball on it and are doing everything they can do divert attention from that fact. No word even of a sample hold function that would allow a new project to be loaded into RAM without stopping the music. It’s a shame as it looked at the beginning that it was a performance instrument designed to cater for all electronic music performers not just those that play in the style pushed so heavily (and brilliantly) here.
That was incredible. Akai, please pay this gentleman to do a whole series of tutorial videos.
Miles Macquarrie that’s my plans! :)
@@nicktrikakis You are joking or is this a serious thing ? It would be so great to have tutorials from a passionate person like you !
Yes, I’ll pay you!
I agree. That demo was incredible.
@@nicktrikakis Great demo Nick! I watched a couple of your demo vids on this product, and I think you would do great at teaching this intrument.
Congratulations to this guy, he really has talent in promoting a product
Alessio M. Thank you!
Nick made me buy the force. His attitude is what AKAI needs.
Same here
Hello! First of all, Nick, thank you for giving me the opportunity to share these ideas and workflows with your community, I'm so grateful. Additionally thank you to everyone who watched and shared their thoughts. I admit I had serious doubts this message would sit well, after all not a lot of people perform like I do, but then I saw that FORCE was nominated for a TEC for "Best Musical Instrument Hardware" and nearly cried. The award went to the MOOG One which absolute deserved it
You're welcome. Was a great demo, really interesting to see alternative ways to create with it.
Excellently done my man! Gabe from NI here! ♥️ 🔥
Love this instrument. Still scratching the surface. Best musical purchase I’ve ever made.
there is no better advertisement than showing the potential of this machine than this video so far. Incredible stuff.
Holy shit, that is the best finger drumming I have ever seen!
AKAI found their Cenk....
Their Cenk
Their Alex Jones
Their Mark Cuban
Their Jeremy Clarkson
Their Anne Coulter
@@Talibooboo Hahaha...yeah, ok, I was just refering to his gear-handling ability... But thanks for the comment, I learned about some characters I never knew their existence....(not that I would have missed something of course)...chears
@@Talibooboo lmao
All the announced updates look great. I can’t wait to use the arrangement feature. Thanks for the long hours everyone is putting into this. I know it’s a ton a work to build a new product.
Hello Christophe. Some people say to me that the Force is not a sequencer. Is it right. I am looking for a standalone machine to make my compositions with audio and midi track like in a DAW. When I am looking to the BETA version video from Mike, I understand that It will be like a DAW? Is it? Thanks
MrBinsique right now, you can’t arrange tracks along a horizontal row like you can in a DAW. I use it as my main midi controller. Even with a couple limitations, I’m still happy with my purchase. I have owned it since February 2019. I wish Akai would build some companion products e.g. an audio interface so I can have more than two audio inputs and interface for an external monitor like Elektron’s Overbridge.
@@chriserikbarnes Hello and thank you very much for this answer. Would it be better if I turned to an Akai MPC X then? Thanks again and have a nice day!
MrBinsique that is a difficult choice. If you are buying today, then the MPC X might be better suited to your goals. Akai (InMusic) is behind their previously announced target, but given the current situation that isn’t all that surprising. Once the next update drops, then the difference in capability will be negligible.
@@chriserikbarnes Hello, I am not buying today. I leave me time to reflection...
I bought the Force recently -primarily on the back of the 3.04 update. I’m an out and out Ableton guy and I was one of many who saw this as a rather expensive APC40/ Push2 alternative. 4 weeks in and I have to say I have HARDLY USED the Ableton integration. Don’t get me wrong, it’s excellent. You can control most of the key stuff in Ableton directly from the Force . But the Force is just a brilliant, intuitive standalone performance instrument. Buy it for that purpose and I promise you won’t be disappointed. No affiliation with Akai etc etc. Brilliant demo of what this beast is capable of, bravo.
You were part of the reason I took mine out of the closet. Thanks for having a great new perspective on creating on this very underrated and now at 999 very affordable INSTRUMENT.
Definitely an awesome product. Also, I really love the passion this guy has. Great demo, with some really creative use of Forces features.
Mr Claytron thank you! I hope to discover more this year as the memes evolve
Nick sold me on the force. Bought it immediately
Jesus - this guy was born to demonstrate this product
I just wish I could get hair like that again, nice demo old chum!
Nick is a freaking genius, Akai / in music was a fool to let him go
He's correct when he said its the most misunderstood product on the market. My gut feeling is Akai hasn't quite managed to get the message out there about what exactly it is and how you could/would use it. For people just starting off this is what you really should consider carefully over the use of a laptop and software. You will be much more connected to your music with this and you will have almost zero distractions during the music-making process. I want to get one my self at some point and make live off the cuff tunes. I hope Akai keeps working with this concept.
Nice points, but I'd feel more connected to my music via a 23" display in my studio that I don't have to crane my neck at all to see. That, a Launchpad Pro, Ableton (even Live Lite), and a mini-key keyboard can do a lot, for a lot less money. Also, touchscreens are annoying, especially in a live context, when heat and sweat make the screen not work. I like Akai's enthusiasm, but I don't know... the software (whether built-in to their hardware or the MPC software standalone or a plugin) is buggy, and there is literally entirely too much touching/menu-diving, etc, just to access some basic core functionality. However, major performance points awarded for his round-robin hip-hop thing near the beginning. Very nice.
Depends on the genre you are doing. I like to split my kicks and bass into 3 frequencies and have the notes not placed on top of each other to ensure the most punch and clarity, does this do that easily? I have gone from software to hardware and back again, I prefer a laptop for bass and drums, due to being able to lock the phase in serum. I use hardware here and there for other sounds and effects.
Standalone it has the same ram as a cheap tablet. It is simply not enough to power a Daw.
So your don't have an Akai Force, have you used one? And yet you are telling everyone, including someone that has used a computer setup with a fast solid workflow for 20 years, how this is going to improve them!? If I get any more connected with my music I will become the music. It is fashionable to talk of laptop free hardware setups, and that is all it is fashion. We invented computers for a reason, total domination. The Akai Force is nice, but it is just hardware with CPU and OS, no different to a computer setup with controllers, other than the limited functionality. You need to grow the fuk up.
@@watercolourmark the last 4 words. You need to.
Quality demo, - personally, more interesting than the MPC
A lot you could do with a bigger screen and More pads no doubt more interesting and More musical period.
It is an interesting product. I got one about two months ago and I love it, but it is missing some features and UI design is a little wonky. It feels like Akai's red-headed step child in a lot of ways. People have been waiting for the 3.0.5 update for almost a year now.
But if you learn it's limitations and how to work within them, it is a pure joy to write music with it.
Great vid Nick + Sonic State! I Use the Force for live gigs, launching simple clips i produce in my DAW. This vid shows me there is so much more potential.
Finally getting used to the workflow on the Force. I have to say being a high level user of Maschine and Fairly experienced with Ableton Push, the Force is with you. The thing is really incredible. The price alone get's you more than literally anything out there. Hype and 3 other real good sounding synths. It is real easy to load up a future bass kit and duplicate pads modify them to make huge sounding tracks. The FX are top notch too. Literally made a dope track in my kitchen drinking my coffee before work. Was gonna get a Maschine+, now I can't think of a reason too. It has a learning curve for sure, one of the hardest I might even say but worth the patience and effort. And the PADS feel amazing.
I feel bad for everyone ragging on Nick in the comments. At least he cares about it. Thanks, Nick.
which nick you actually mean? coz one of them seems to be a bit desperate..
Akai Nick. I’ve seen him in the Force user groups. He’s genuinely excited, which is actually a good thing.
@@user82938 yeah but like good for who exactly eh?
For those of us who own the Force. I’d rather have someone like Nick on the team than someone who isn’t excited about the product.
@@user82938 may the 1st may force b with u.. anyways who else to have on the team than the guy whod give his life to promote te forcee?? if he hasnt already.. aint saying per se its a bad product but but but but it looks like a bad version od the push(sorry to repeat this again.) and the seller guy isnt right either, you can get a second hand push for lets say for 150 dollars and ableton suite for 400.. im too old t use all this but this product is not such a bargain as they say it is.. im happy to be proved to be wrong.. peace..
at least akai is trying. I love it.
trying to poorly replicate push maybe
Coccothraustes Coccothraustes you didn’t seem to understand what this machine does if you’re comparing it to push
@@Enucentro explain it then coz i cant see shit in the video
@@toono21 "Standalone"
This dude is is actually good.
This dude is actually God
This is amazing and revolutionary in the realm of electronic music.
Greg Serenade so pleased to read your
Comment :)
Wooow excellent quick example with leads.... I love force! 2020 will definitely be a good year for force!
Akai is making it so hard for me what to get...the Force, Mpc One or Mpc Live....the struggle is real...
Xactly! I almost fall into the trap that One can be better. At least has knob lower on the device, so might not get me into "carpal tunnel syndrome" like Force :) ... but no, thanks. Just One more product with new/same issues to be misunderstood
@Divinital One or used Force for $580? ... though it the price of Push 2 I am so happy with, which is really possibility unlimited. Get ready for serious love/hate relationships :)
@Divinital Gotcha! DP is one of my top too. I was afraid One IS toward hip-hop beats artist. Lacking of the flow making house, ambient, electronic song I think can be a struggle. Even after fck-up wasting time on Force (that supposedly for Akai unstuck from hip-hip), I was thinking - One is smaller and can do limited and standalone inspiration capture. Then grabbed MPC always on my iPad and remembered why never really play - lack of flow. But i like One from the family the most, I can be a dream machine for beats maker.
@Divinital Don't get me wrong, beatmaking is a great style. I doing it sometimes and have engraved into many tracks. Just did not want to get more into it, stay electronic and play what Daft Punk did in their Homework album (! cool right?!?). But that's what MPC turn me into, so as Native Maschines
And if you think Akai gave MPC software with Force free - no f. way! They charged $200 for the tool. And the only tool you can make a pack for Force is MPC software. You pay $1,5K and they ask for more, how cool is that LOL
But there is plenty of controllers and even standalones for every style and everyone. Akai just tend to make it look like that's the only one. I made better tracks (on my scale) and felt more inspired with OP-Z at the same year. And there is Isla, Novation, Roland .... whoever. And for the past decade iPhone and/or iPad never let me down being a standalone and a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT is always in your pocket :)
@Divinital Don't listen me, all the music tools (just like music itself) is a personal thing, you may find it best for you, while they don't make to love it back with 1/3 down price to $999 :D
This is one of the reasons that I regret selling my force. Now I have anew one coming in this week and I’m amped!
The idea of pushing pad techniques is really cool,
D-One please give it a shot and let me know how you do or if you need any tips :)
Consider my mind boggled
How do you split drums and synths like that though? i been tryin to figure out for a while...
Why so much hating on the Force here? I own it since 2 months now and despite its flaws and needs-for-updating, this device has upgraded my creativity and workflow like no other device ever did. @Nick Trikakis: please continue your enthusiasm and commitment to the Force and ignore the haters(they just don 't embrace change)!!
So excited for the drum synth
Stunning demo!
Dude that first bit he finger drummed was sick!!
That is exactly what people need to see, as these features were really not apparent upon first introduction months ago. Very cool!
The best drum machine made in this generation
Damn!That’s how you sell a drum maschime lol. We need to stop asking what a unit does, and ask what can you do with it!
Ty Baker yes!! Ask away and I’ll do my best to discover easter eggs
Akai needs to bring this guy back!
Impressive demo and hair :-)
OK i didn't care about the force till i saw this, this is the way forward for live electronic music
Wow this guy is a great salesman. I got a live second hand recently, now i want the force lol
why isn‘t the top half angled?
because they need to save that feature for a future model lol
Because it's $999.
The guy who invented angles wanted a licence fee so Akai said nah.
After year with the device, screen is something I can't say bad word about. Touch is accurate and viewing angle is really good. I really hope Akai gets its shit together and they provide features promised...
@@salanami really? i own a live and the force and both screens are not as responsive as they should be
Thanks Nick for showing your skills. This video put the nail in the coffin on my decision to invest in the AKai Force. I love and agree. This is an instrument
Nice this is the sort of guy you want working on your team!
I will admit that when I first saw this it looked awesome. Then I was not so sure. This video did help me understand it better.
This video probably sold me on Force :) Thanks!!!
what software comes with the FORCE? Is the full version of Ableton included?
I’ve had this for little over a week now and i must say it’s the most responsive and quick loading piece of kit i’ve owned, and i’ve previously owned a lot of different brands in the past from elektron to Roland, drum machines and groove boxes. It’s built like a tank too and at £899 it’s great value for what you get.
wow they dropped the arse out of it then, tbf 890 seems a very fair price - the initial 1500 tag was ridiculous for the amount of missing features
My god this guy just needs to produce music. Insane
Man, this beat making right churr is 🔥🔥🔥💯
Great video! Perfect confirmation that nothing good is happening and they only Force you think its good. No regrets I got rid of Force soon enough (well 9 months was a long struggle, dreaming, bug reporting, waiting on promises .... and not making a single full song) :)
I'm demoing the force next week.... because of this guy. Respect.
Endless Possibilities , great Piece of kit 👍🏻
Does anybody know the maximum sample length? To use this as a Hybrid Dj/Live machine
Is that arranger like a song mode? I haven’t heard an explanation of it yet?
It's supposed to be. The way he quickly glosses over it without demoing it means it's still ages away from release.
11:44
Dean o Yup freaking A holes at AKAI
@@Pupenhausen he said it's coming in Q1
Check the force users group on Facebook for videos :)
SOLD!! BUYING 2.. Left hand drums, right hand leads and bass
Madness
Akai - This is a performance instrument. Electronic music should be performed.
Moaners in comments - Where’s my song mode so I can just hit play and wave my arms about?
I still can' t belive that it hasn' t got a song mode in the meantime.
I want song mode so I can create backing track that I can manipulate on the fly while I sing and play guitar/synth over it, and not have to lug my laptop and audio interface around. I’m interested in a standalone DAW, not a performance instrument. The button mashing is cool I guess but the Force has much more potential than that, to be a standalone DAW, that’s what we want to see.
‘ere: it’s in beta but on the way ruclips.net/video/np9vbavMm4M/видео.html
@@AvantHarde Hello, then, if I am looking for a machine for replace my computer at beast, I would buy a Force and not a MPC X? I would like to have the arranger mode! It is very cool. Thanks
@@MrBinsique not too sure how capable it will be with that touch screen, probably just to give you access to basic editing and a bird's eye view of the arrangement... you are better off with a laptop still running MPC software if that's your Daw of choice
Dilla would have levitated if he had this thing!
R.I.P. to the Father of Neo Soul J. Dilla.
He’s not the father of Neosoul
I have no idea what a Force does, but I want one.
impressive as hell
External monitor option?.
now that would make some sense
on no - blasphemy! it will make it not-standalone :D
An incredible demo, thanks so much Nick (and my 14 year old daughter also loves it) I look forward to future updates.
Stuart Day this makes me smile! So happy you shared with the younger generation. They get to grow up with this :)
@@nicktrikakis thanks so much for the reply. Yes definitely, trying to pass my music onto my kids and the tech they get to grow up with is amazing far in advance of the Akai S950 I started with. Cheers.
Whooa quite an awesome demo.
Very interesting..
I wish the beat repeat could be applied only to specific pads like Nick asks (cracks open manual to check if I'm wrong, this thing is deep)
Best way to demonstrate anything it's to do it. Less talk, more work.
Nick, I now dub thee, Force Wizard! 💥💯
Thank you so much for this video! Amazing work!! 🙏
How is this done that drums/samples were asssigned to all 64 pads ? To me it looks like Force allows me to only fill 16 pads at bottom left quarter. Any tutorials ? Thanks !
Mind = blown. Now I know why the Force exists.
Does it offer live stems separation nowadays for audio recorded samples in the Akai Force?
Kudos Akai Pro!!
He´s so right about the reception of this thing, i think that we have not got a chance to taste it, sounds and looks great! Maybe if they could show other ways in which it could be used, that would be amazing. I mean... almost every demo out there show its capacity only on the House/techno genre, maybe they should demonstrate that the Force can go way further than that...
I believe that Akai are a bit blinded by the dollar signs that they only see when they look at the EDM performance market. It seems that they don't care to place any real significant emphasis on anything else. It's like they have forgotten that their legacy was built on their Midi Production Center line of machines.
ijm 809 no not at all. We think force to will do for the stage what MPC did for the studio 30 years ago. Become a central midi hub, we have bigs plans for midi I/O. You’ll love it :) Also if you look at the live market in electronic music, well, it’s really small. There is an intrinsic motivation behind developing performance. We feel we’re on the cutting edge of that space and want you to know we’re working on it but that doesn’t mean we won’t continue to provide the solutions our users are accustomed too. Thank you for watching and I hope this help further explain :).
he is loving himself so much, the instrument is a alibi
I’m simply excited to share my passion. NAMM is a huge show for AKAI and to have nick ask for a video was an honor. Not sure what I did to make you say this but I genuinely love doing what I demonstrated
Zac Efron of the pads . Jokes aside, one of the better kind of demos. respect
💁🏻♂️😁 thanks 🙏🏽
@@nicktrikakis My pleasure man. Btw Trikakis (Ellhnas?)
STILL PENDING IMPORTANT THINGS:
_row duration
_instruments dont respond to MIDI channels
_midi tracks cannot have knobs assigned to CCs
_we need stem audio export per track or subgroup
_play and do other things (mixer, launch clips etc) at the same time is not possible
I like my Force but this lacks i mentioned make.me feel that is not good enough to be the center of my studio. And i am really desiring It!
Pablo Malatesta everything you listed is on the road map! Some sooner than others but all that and more :)
You have indeed LISTENED to those Facebook posts, but be more of a worker bee. That's what these guys want to see.
I dig your style a bit more because you LISTEN. There's a lot in that.
I want to see the drum synth, the arranger mode, and some other requests made. There is also some errors in the program.
But good work Nick! And you work the fingers and trap beats nicely!
Agree. Great products, but the software does crash more than is acceptable.
Nick is an awesome fingerdrummer no doubt!
Also much of a salesman...
Its his great skill, not the force itself!
But the arranger:
So far its only ANNOUNCED!
It was ANNOUNCED ages ago already!
Same goes for drum synth and diskstreaming...
Ableton Integration was ANNOUNCED a year ago and came out 11 months later!
No trust in InMusic.
When can we map midicontrollers multitimbraly?
Thats all i care about.
People need to get this to top comment...!
@@boimesa8190 An awesome finger what ? lol
@@LaidbackSounds trigger finger
(whoever I was replying to here deleted their comment ... I presume they were embarrassed after I called them out ... you can deduce from my response exactly what they were complaining about) >>>>>>>>>> other companies release software quickly and it's full of bugs and lacking extra features ... software companies who take their time developing and thoroughly testing their code deliver quality instead of garbage ... they announced it's coming and it is indeed coming ... where's the lie??? ... how have they lost my trust??? ... you mean because they want to give me quality software ... I should be angry at them because they're dedicated to quality??? ... if they want to lose my trust they would've released crap software last year full of bugs with no bells or whistles ... your thinking is completely backwards
We addressed all of those things this year at NAMM. Peep the Facebook users group for more on that. I’m working hard to evolve the culture at InMusic. They have given me an opportunity to be creative and discover these techniques I’m sharing and that’s the beginning of a good trend. Now that I’ve been there for a while I’ve learned a lot and feel we’re righting the ship. I feel you guys, I do, I also didnt like that live integration was announced 11 months ahead. These things are fixable and I’ll do everything I can to do my part in contributing. Thank you for watching and hope to gain your trust back :)
the note repeat thing is awesome
Yup and you can do it with many other devices, so it's a little odd to me he used this as a selling point. Feels more like a technique demo rather than a hardware demo.
Ub3rMario this was just a workflow demo. I mentioned it being used to create rhythms before but not on a scale like this. More of a tip than a selling point :).
HELP ME, I don't know what to thinking between MPC X, Force or COMPUTER? Is it possible to record only in the arranger mode? Like in a classic DAW? Without using the computer. And is it possible to finalise a song in standalone mode, without the computer?! Thank you.
and how many years do you need to get to this skill? 👌
I want that Arranger mode in my next update...ASAP Akai. I am tired of waiting.
It's not possible, Ableton wisely steer clear with Push
@@hjhkjhre454554 wish you were wrong dude, but i totally agree
Man, Nick may have just changed my mind.
side note: if you are comfortable with playing at 220 bpm, maybe suggest that the Force raise the upper limit of their BPM analysis from 195 to 300.
Unreal man WOW
At 7:30 it seems like he has an arp on the right side of the program and another arp on the other side of the program for drums?
I don't know how to set up a drum program to do that.
Very cool. This machine is under-appreciated.
I want to make world music like dead can dance with this product would it be possible still?
@Akai (or Nick): will the "Arranger" mode also come to the MPC Live, One, and X?
Would love for this guy to teach me a thing or two about drumming.. awesome stuff
Yeah, it's pretty cool, but lacking basic and important features such as different tempos in a project, disk streaming and a propper midi clock. If Akai wants this to sell they need to fix these things otherwise it makes the instrument pointless in many scenarios
Different tempos? What unit does that?
Itamar Afek i couldn’t agree more. This is a very powerful machine..and i could cope with the I/O lacking a couple more ports..
But i won’t buy one before they get those basics.
I want to make music..and i don’t want to be hindered by hardware limitations like disk streaming or a midi clock.
Plus...the computer is still the best host for VST libraries..and MIDI instruments..
Yes i want to perform, and i want to not have to make electronic/beat music.
Offer us more VST support, so that one can play whatever one wants.. ANY sort of instrument.
thankso
A violin is pointless in many scenarios. Bagpipes are pointless in many scenarios. Perhaps this device is not meant for the scenarios of which you speak
@@metacated The force is in many ways pointless as a center for a live setup, which is kind of what it was ment to be...
You just can't play a live show longer than 20 minutes if you have stems because of the memory running out. It has problems syncing to other gear. And no option to automaticaly change the tempo betwin songs. Also no arranger but I'm told that's coming soon.
@@itamarafek yes.. exactly..
Base features that give you a Solid base that u can rely upon.., as well as options..diversity..opening possibilities.
I really like the Force. I wanted to buy one..but further inspection stopped me.
Its unbelievable..that u can even install a 2Tb SSD under the AKAI Live, for eg..but then..only have ~1.6Gb of room, in the memory to work with..
So... was the Force a flop?
I was even close to understand that they try apologize, saying "misunderstood", but seems use it to sell to few more suckers who would think they dreams came true :)
Amazing
Can't see anyone complaining about his diddling technique. What I'd like to know on these is, if you plug the Akai MPC MIDI thing in, does it give you all the features of the MPC range? If you plug in the Akai APC MIDI thing to an MPC does it give you all the features of the Force? We know they share the same OS, and since Akai make these controllers it seems an obvious thing to do
You could watch this video 20 times and still not grasp the full depth of it
Great to watch 😃👍 This is a super device as an instrument performer, a DJ box, a studio creator or just for whatever fun you want to use it as. The thing is you can make this your own for whatever purposes and if you want to use it with the DAW software or export to a DAW of your choice you have that flexibility. I own this and also own the MPC X and while I do not use it for HipHop or just typical beats I do use it with 4 Elektrons and a midi synth and have composed and wrote movie film production scores on it just because I can. Also created some 80s synth and some complex modern synth/house style tracks on it as well. All good fun and easy to do if you put the effort in to learn like all things.
So looking at this Force is a wonderful instrument/music creator tool that is all down to making this your own. For those reading this or wanting to get into music or are professional artists, just ignore these moron brainless moaners who just think they can say a few words like ohh there’s not song mode’ or ‘no repeat is common’ or AKAI ‘are trying to just sell and market this’ - really why are there then at NAMM along with a thousand other makers just to so people look at their products - I mean some of the dumbest comments I have read on here are by thick idiot trolls who.are not real musical inclined people but most likely jealous chip on their should pretend know it all wannabes. This guy in a few mins did more as a demo than you moaners could do in your life time and that is just on one product. This is a fab product and people have a choice.
Most of the comments comes from owners of the device. I personally has been waiting song mode for almost year now. We are trying to warn people from making same stupid mistake buying REALLY UNFINISHED product. Force is many ways really wonderful instrument, but lack of PROMISED features and huge pricedrop in less than year is something I cannot accept. Force is nice but it is far from reliable and ready. I've spend 1400e for it and I can't even sell it without big money loss. If Akai gets its shit together soon and really makes this device what it is supposed to be, I am willing to buy another one. Now it is mainly collecting dust.
I owned mpc live bought 2018 we were promised nothing and there had been no updates...then boom...free great stuff. I bought force and can understand everyones fustration...but know from the mpc I bought wow they really did make it a different beast...be patient...have a bit of faith. And always buy products on what they do today...not next week! Also apart from Novation theres no other company who gives you FREE updates...they just sell you mk2s.
I agree
I've been wondering if this unit wouldn't be a great company for a few elektron boxes and some synths! It seems like the obvious one. A bit expensive but i might find one second hand ... so lets hope no song mode xD
@@vileguile4 were getting song mode...sorry lol...you looked at new akai one as alternatiive?
Ahem - performing live electronic music is not "always" a laptop + other gear. Plenty of people are doing hardware-based live electronic performance. He's right that it's pretty much always an amalgamation of gear. Few devices are satisfactory entirely on their own, even the Octatrack, Deluge or Akai units. I doubt I'd be satisfied with only a Force either though, particularly with the memory limitations I've heard of. But some of us prefer to work with MIDI more than loop samples, in which case you either need external synths or a beefy CPU and highly flexible, quick, and deep interface for live manipulation (I think the Force may well be the most promising contender in that last arena).
I meant to say laptop or a bunch of pieces (ie. electron, synth, etc). in all my research unless it’s a launchpad or midfighter performance you have what I described. I’ll add you can connect midi and cv to force too :).
I need to learn this. Very cool. Give us tutorials.
When the MPC's have disk streaming they will be great! :D
Been repeating that to myself as a mantra for over a year now. My takeaway from this video is that disk streaming is not coming any time soon, if at all. They have wheeled out their top gun finger drummer to highlight what you can get out of it with banks of short one shot samples. That’s great for finger drummers but evades the question that so many , who perform seamless live sets in a different but equally valid way , have been asking over the past year . The Octatrack has had disk streaming since inception 9 years ago. Likewise, The Deluge - an offering from a tiny boutique manufacturer has found no problem with its implementation. Yet Akai, one of the biggest players in the field, have dropped the ball on it and are doing everything they can do divert attention from that fact. No word even of a sample hold function that would allow a new project to be loaded into RAM without stopping the music. It’s a shame as it looked at the beginning that it was a performance instrument designed to cater for all electronic music performers not just those that play in the style pushed so heavily (and brilliantly) here.
They are already great. Im sure they will eventually get disk streaming but it will make zero differnce to how I use mine.
what is disk streaming?
dolo747 the ability to ‘stream” long samples from a hard drive ..... as opposed to having to load samples into project RAM.
@@timzero thanks
More tutorials from this guy please
Give us the "Stream samples from Disk" update and you can have my hard earned $999
could it process PureData?