Which Locomotives/Cars from Other Brands Can I Use on My Märklin Layout? (Beginner Episode 9)

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  • @paulgijsberts5461
    @paulgijsberts5461 2 года назад +2

    Very clear! Thank you!
    Two minor remarks.
    1: you can run dc-wheels on a Märklin track. Of course you will not have mass detection on S88. But there is a risk that a dc-wheel may de-rail at a turnout. Reason: the flanges are different. And the rail-bar cross-section of Märklin-rails is also different.
    2: Some Roco locs may have less powered axles compared to Märklin or Pico. E.g. a Diesel or E-loc with 4 axles (2 bogies). Quite often Roco removes the gears in the bogie where the ac-pickup-slider is fitted. So your traction is reduced significantly.
    Kind regards,
    Paul
    from Holland

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад +1

      Hi Paul,
      Thanks for your input - always good to hear about experiences from fellow model railroaders ;-) I will try to summarize my experience with these topics below.
      ad 1:
      I have not yet had any issues with 2-rail/DC-wheels on Märklin C-track. The C-track supports 2-rail/DC wheels and the RP25 standard.
      I have had issues with 2-rail/DC wheels that were not correctly in gauge - wrong distance between wheels. If this is the case, they also have issues on 2-rail/DC track. When this manufactor error was corrected I did not have any more issues. Note, this is an issue that occasionally occur 2-rail/DC wheels as they are made of multiple parts where the AC wheels are often (unfortunately not always) made of one solid part.
      The other issue I have had is that other manufactors do not always take care when attaching the slider and the slider can lift the locomotive in the turnout if not enough space is available. This will also derail the locomotive. To me this is not a wheel issue, but rather a quality/testing issue from the manufactor - either the slider itself or there is not enough space for the slider to yield through the turnout.
      That being said - maybe I have been lucky so far? Time will tell...
      ad 2: I did not know that Roco sometimes reduces the traction effort in order to add the slider. I agree there are quality differences between the different manufactors. Sometimes the other manufactors makes it better than Märklin - and sometimes not. However, I find that usually Märklin takes greater care in supporting small layouts with tight curves and steep inclines.
      Enjoy ;-)

  • @lorenzomarinelliclub413
    @lorenzomarinelliclub413 2 года назад +4

    Hi Bo, as usual you are special, this latest video is also very useful, thanks.

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад

      Hi Lorenzo, I am glad it is useful. Have fun with trains ;-)

  • @patrickmurphy6775
    @patrickmurphy6775 Год назад +3

    Here is a useful tip. For months I had problems with Rivarossi, Lima, and other scale cars derailing all over my Marklin layout for some unknown reason. I switched the wheels, I adjusted coupler heights, but nothing worked. Then as my stepson ran the trains and I closely observed problem areas, I noticed one of the cars had a bit of foliage hanging from the uncoupler arm. It turns out, since the cars were built for DC track and uncouplers, the length and SHAPE of the small bar was catching on my Marklin studs and 3 rail track. As a test, I cut the uncoupling arm off a car and ran it around the layout. No derailing occurred!! I cut the arms off all my non Marklin coaches and have no derailments since! Just a tip.

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  Год назад +1

      Hi Patrick,
      Great tip - thanks! I did recently become aware of this and it is indeed a special thing with the Märklin 3-rail track.
      The issue is as you mention: The center studs are quite high in turnouts in order to lift the slider over the rails. I was not aware of this issue as I have note see it for Brawa, ESU, Roco and PIKO. These manufactors know of and design for Märklin as well. Other brands as you mention may indeed have this issue.
      This may also occur if other details are low on the track e.g. front of locomotives.
      Enjoy and thanks for the tip ;-)

    • @16jan1986
      @16jan1986 Год назад +2

      I good work i would always start at the wheels like you because dc trains run on slightly the wrong gauge and too small flanges

  • @Bonzoguy66
    @Bonzoguy66 8 месяцев назад +3

    Remember Maerklin could drive in opposite directions, on the same piece of track , because of AC . On DCC, AC wheels short cut

  • @Avrenac
    @Avrenac 2 года назад +1

    Thanks. Great video! I was wanting a video like this

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад

      Hi David, glad you liked it. Have fun with model trains;-)

  • @Doger46
    @Doger46 2 месяца назад

    Hi Bo. You've really made such wel informed videos. Thank you so much for your hard work. Do you know if there is a slider conversion for Hornby or Bachmann? Cheers in advance

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 месяца назад

      Hi Roger, Glad you like the videos and hope you find what you are looking for! slider conversion for Hornby or Bachmann - well I do not know of anything out of the box. You have to experiment in the same way I did in this video. You can use a Märklin slider and there are many variants. The issue will probably be limited space under the boogies. This could be handled in two ways: create space or even put the slider on a trailing car that is permanently connected. Unfortunately, I do not have direct experience with these two brands. Enjoy ;-) Bo

  • @orientexpress17
    @orientexpress17 2 года назад +1

    Well explained👍

  • @franciscosotohernandez4805
    @franciscosotohernandez4805 6 месяцев назад

    Excelente Bob

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  6 месяцев назад

      Hi Francisco, glad you liked the video! Enjoy ;-)

  • @erichendrikse2946
    @erichendrikse2946 2 года назад +1

    Good Evening Bo
    You made again a very good video. I think you need more room to store your collection.

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад

      Hi Eric, Yes - I do need more room! However, if there is limited space hopefully, I buy less... model trains is an expensive hobby. Enjoy ;-)

  • @claudiog2379
    @claudiog2379 2 года назад +1

    Thanks a lot! Very clear

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад

      Hi Claudio, Glad to hear that Enjoy ;-)

  • @bohemianh
    @bohemianh 8 месяцев назад +1

    I have Marklin setup, I have many Roco locos, Jagerndorfer, and Brawa. I just bought a Central Station 3 plus, it smoked my BR06 Insider loco! and 3 others won't run? I bought another Delta loco BR89, Central Station 2 plus won't run it? The mobile station I bought about 14 years ago works with all locos. It is strange to me, Marklin control station doesn't run some of my Marklin locos? While my other brands run great on CS3 Plus!

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  8 месяцев назад

      Hi, Sorry for the late reply - I have been travelling for work. It does sound weird. The first thing I would check is that you are using a power supply approved for the Central Station 3 (CS3). The CS3 must be powered by a switching power supply. See here for power supplies: ruclips.net/video/wANbrR0fdJk/видео.html. Then I would check that the brown wire powers the rail (O) and the red wire powers the central rail (B). Be careful it can be difficult to see the difference on the wires. Also make sure you are using the main track output on the CS3 - not the output for the programming track. See ruclips.net/video/wANbrR0fdJk/видео.html. Finally try with a separate short piece of track connected directly to the CS3 without anything else connected. Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-) Bo

    • @bohemianh
      @bohemianh 8 месяцев назад

      @@ModelTrainFun check, check and checked those? It is frustration here.

  • @rossmorrow3013
    @rossmorrow3013 2 года назад +1

    Good evening,
    I have a Märklin C-Track but mine is a 2 track on the attached track bed

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад

      Hi Ross,
      I believe you are talking about the Trix C-track? The Trix C-track has 2-rails while the Märklin has 3-rails. However, as Märklin owns Trix I believe the Trix C-track are sometimes mentioned as (or even marked on the box as?) Märklin.
      The way to distinguish the Märklin 3-rail C-track from the Trix/Marklin 2-rail C-track is to look at the catalogue numbers of the track. The Märklin 3-rail C-track will have the catalogue numbers in the 24xxx range, while the Trix 2-rail C-track will have catalogue numbers in the 62xxx range.
      Hope this helps. Enjoy ;-)

  • @Hct-ud6kk
    @Hct-ud6kk 2 года назад

    Very informative. Thanks!

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад

      Hi H5463ct, Glad it was helpful! Enjoy ;-)

  • @JohnPap_Net
    @JohnPap_Net 2 года назад +2

    Excellent presentation/tutorial as always. To be honest, I stick to Märklin for all my engines and rolling stock.
    By the way, please let me ask you if it is worth switching from Mobile Station to Central Station 3 or even Central Station 3 Plus? Thank you.

    • @djlynk1977
      @djlynk1977 2 года назад +2

      It is 💯 worth it! I did that a few months ago (CS3+) and it is night and day…I even plugged my laptop into it so I control track features on it and use the CS and MSs to control the locos its awesome

    • @JohnPap_Net
      @JohnPap_Net 2 года назад

      @@djlynk1977 Thank you for your reply.

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад +1

      Hi John, to me the CS3 is worth it as it has a lot of additional features. My favorite features are easier to use, easier to program locs/decoders, controlling trains from my PC/phone/tablet and support for routes/simple automation. However, it is also a big investment, and it comes down to the size of your vallet and what other stuff you want for your layout. If you only have a small layout with few trains the MS2 is sufficient - however, even on a small layout I prefer the CS3. Enjoy ;-)

    • @JohnPap_Net
      @JohnPap_Net 2 года назад +1

      @@ModelTrainFun Thank you very much for your reply.

  • @raktus1
    @raktus1 5 месяцев назад

    Hej Bo, mega fed og informativ kannal du har her. Tusind tak for at dele ud af dine viden :-) Jeg har et konkret spg. som du måske allerede har et svar på? : Hvordan får jeg et Roco lokomotiv (goldpiercer modellen) til at virke på en "mobile station" fra Gauge H0 - Article No. 29000?

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  5 месяцев назад

      Hejsa raktus,
      Herligt du finder noget du kan bruge! Hvis du har en Mobile Station 2 (MS2) kig denne video: ruclips.net/video/dAj2obQpdDI/видео.html Hvis du har en Central Station 3 kig denne video: ruclips.net/video/pEg0LakeGeY/видео.html
      Hygge ;-) Bo

  • @ModelTrainOutsider
    @ModelTrainOutsider 2 года назад

    Nice explanation. ACME and Mehano both used to make AC, but I do not know if they still do. I once did a video about R1 and WOW, did I get some agree e-mails and comments.

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад

      Hi Anthony, I believe Mehano still makes 3-rail/AC locomotives - unsure about ACME. I do have a modern ACME freight car though ;-) To be honest in countries where Märklin is popular I usually find some small manufactors that make 3-rail/AC locomotives. There are surprisingly quite a few ones out there.
      I am not surprised about the R1 - there is a lot of opinions on this topic - is it good or bad. To me it comes down to personal taste and choice. Let's see if I get some R1 comments as well.
      Have fun with trains ;-)

  • @umeshsurenthiran9205
    @umeshsurenthiran9205 Год назад

    Cheers Bo, Great review. Just out of interest, are all of Marklin's train sets made entirely from diecast metal?
    Many Thanks

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  Год назад

      Hi, Not all Märklin is made out of metal. Most locomotives are - except the cheaper ones. For cars some are and some are not. You can checkout in the product database if its made of metal: www.maerklin.de/en/service/product-database Note: sometimes it is just the frame - not the entire locomotive. Enjoy ;-)

  • @mikedulle1149
    @mikedulle1149 5 месяцев назад +1

    Do other locos brands have MFX decoder

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  5 месяцев назад

      Hi Mike, PIKO supports MFX. ESU also supports MFX on some of their decoders - they call it M4, but it is limited in amount of functions. Enjoy ;-) Bo

  • @jimsmowingofficial
    @jimsmowingofficial Год назад +1

    just going to add, if you're good with a soldering iron you can convert 2 rail locos to run on 3 rail

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  Год назад

      Hi Jiminy, agreed - I actually did a little experiment with this: ruclips.net/video/63r83qy6_V8/видео.html I must say though, this one was not too difficult. However, from past experience, the issue is often to make the converted model run reliably on Märklin track. The slider is often an issue. However, with lots of patience it is possible got make a converted locomotive run reliable. Enjoy ;-)

  • @Barrisroom3
    @Barrisroom3 Год назад +1

    can i still run my old m-track loco's on c-rail becaus i want to switch

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  Год назад

      Hi, Yes the c-track is made so you can run older Märklin locomotives as well. Honestly, I have not tried it, but I do not recall hearing anybody complaining that it does not work. I remember older articles fro Märklin where they said they took great care to be backwards compatible. Ask around to see if anybody has experience or consider a small loop with a turnout to see. Enjoy ;-) Bo

  • @pticurina
    @pticurina 2 года назад +1

    Bo can you help me out with advice, my layout is minitrix track but one of my trains keeps derailing when going over switch (train is kato alpine express). Any idea how to solve this ?

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад +2

      Hi pticurina,
      Solving derailing can often be a tedious process and requires lots of troubleshooting and fiddling. The issue can be the track or the train. Typical issues can be the switch is slightly out of alignment, the track makes an S-curve, couplers or wheel alignment.
      Check the switch - does it look ok compared to other switches - see any differences? Does the train only have an issue on this switch? how about the other switches on the layout? Is the track perfectly aligned to all connections on the switch?
      An S-curve is a section of track that first curves one way then immediately another way without any straight between the curves. This often happens around switches - remember one side of the switch is a curve. An S-curve can be difficult to negotiate for a model train and it might derail due to extra stress - especially in a switch. If the couplers are too stiff or there is not enough space between locomotives/cars, then it can derail. Wheel alignment can also be an issue.
      Check all couplers between cars and with the locomotive. Are they all functioning as expected and go back to center position. Height? Check them all
      Check all wheels - do they all look good? Do they roll freely? Do they all have exactly the same distance? I do not remember the distance it has to be between the wheel flanges.
      I would first try to isolate the issue. Does the train derail on all switches? If it only derails on one certain switch it could be the switch - then again it could also be how the track is before after. A common issue is an S-curve that might put extra strain on the train coupling.
      If you only have the locomotive, do you have an issue? Is it certain cars of the train that derail - or is it random? Try to see if you can find the suspect locomotive and/or car.
      Hope this gives you an idea of how to troubleshoot and I hope you find the issue. Let me know if you succeed - I am always interested in learning from other's experiences.
      Enjoy ;-)

    • @pticurina
      @pticurina 2 года назад +1

      @@ModelTrainFun Thank you

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад +1

      @@pticurina Did you manage to fix the derailing?

    • @pticurina
      @pticurina 2 года назад +1

      @@ModelTrainFun Not yet, am out of town atm so when i get back will try

  • @marvinbanka7592
    @marvinbanka7592 Год назад

    One more question. Can I use a new transformer on my old layout?

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  Год назад

      Hi Marvin,
      I am not that familiar with analog layouts, so you might need to check out the forums I mentioned in your other question.
      Are you talking about the power supply for the CS3? If so - no as it is not variable - you do not have a button to change the voltage that would change the speed of the locomotive. If you are asking if you can use your old tracks for digital, then that is possible - I have not tried it myself, so unsure if there is anything you have to think about.
      Hope this helps. Enjoy ;-)

  • @marvinbanka7592
    @marvinbanka7592 Год назад

    Can I run new Marklin locomotives on the older metal tracks and transformers?

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  Год назад

      Hi Marvin,
      As I understand it - yes - but I have not tried it, so I do not know what the risks are (see forum article below) or if there are anything you need to think about.
      The moden Märklin locomotives are designed to run on C-, K-, and M-track. In addition to that, as I understand it, the decoders in the modern locomotives change to analog mode when there is no digital signal. However, I have never tried it, so I do not know if there are anything you need to think about or if issues may occur. As an example all the digital functions will not work, but I believe for some locomotives the headlight work on analogue layouts. Engine sound may or may not be available in analog mode.
      I did find this article indicating you can risk burning out the decoder with older transformers? It seems the quality of your power supply is something you need to think about? Ask for experiences in the forum: www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t34384-Digital-running-on-analog
      Also consider asking for experiences in this forum on Facebook: facebook.com/groups/Maerklin.H0.Forum
      Hope this helps! Enjoy;-)

  • @reggaelatinus6705
    @reggaelatinus6705 9 месяцев назад +1

    Marklin belongs to history

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  8 месяцев назад +1

      Hi Reggae, Agree Märklin is a huge part of the model train history and has been the pioneer in many fields such as making details and digitalisation. Märklin is one of the biggest model train manufactors and impressively today covers 1, G, H0, n and z scale - and both H0 2-rail and 3-rail. Truly remarkable. Enjoy ;-) Bo

    • @reggaelatinus6705
      @reggaelatinus6705 8 месяцев назад

      @@ModelTrainFun AC belongs to history

    • @bohemianh
      @bohemianh 8 месяцев назад

      Marklin is model train producer for over 150 years!

  • @Barrisroom3
    @Barrisroom3 Год назад

    keep upwhit youre content and make a fun battle agenst marklinofsweden

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  Год назад

      Hi, thanks for watching and yes - also love the Märklin of Sweden channel. Enjoy ;-) Bo

  • @robertcornelius3514
    @robertcornelius3514 10 месяцев назад +1

    It's not your fault, but I was confused before this video and now I'm over the top confused. Train model manufacturers should never had hired Nerds to design the new trains.

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  10 месяцев назад +1

      Hi Robert, Indeed model trains can be a complex hobby - to me the most important is to find what you enjoy and have fun. Enjoy ;-) Bo

  • @kennethljungberg642
    @kennethljungberg642 Год назад +1

    Episode 9 and not drive one Locomotive, wake up !!.

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  Год назад

      Hi Kenneth, unfortunately I do not really have a layout, so not many videos with running trains. There are a few you can enjoy: ruclips.net/video/Xfwi8AurU1A/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/AUSMMI4L5_o/видео.html. Otherwise there are plenty of channels with running trains on RUclips. Enjoy ;-)

  • @julianstark9538
    @julianstark9538 2 года назад +3

    I understand being a fan of a particular brand, but real trains only have 2 rails. No matter how you try to dress it up, Maerklin track doesn't look prototypical. Also, i don't understand why they won't make 303 mm length 26,4 meter cars. If one has big enough radii, that is the real 1:87 length. If you have small radii, even the 282 mm length looks ridiculous.

    • @ModelTrainFun
      @ModelTrainFun  2 года назад +4

      Hi Julian, the great thing about the model train hobby is that everyone can participate - some people like big prototypical layouts - others like small layouts just to run trains and have fun. Others just enjoy creating landscape or making the electronics. I understand you prefer the 2-rails and large radii. I prefer the 3-rail because it is so easy. I think most of us dream of having a large layout with no tight curves. Unfortunately, we don't all have the space. The great thing about our hobby is that you can do what you like. Enjoy and have fun with model trains ;-)

    • @IanHickson
      @IanHickson 2 года назад +3

      actually a lot of "real" trains have three rails.

    • @julianstark9538
      @julianstark9538 2 года назад +1

      @@IanHickson But they don't run on three, except for rack rail. I don't think third-rail electrification counts. There are a lot of "Dreischienengleise" in Germany, and probably elsewhere, but on that track you have the narrow gauge trains running as well as the standard gauge. I got a message from the channel's owner about my comment, I don't want to spoil anyone's fun. Pre-digital, Maerklin had the advantage of very good conduction back to the M-track from the + terminal (if I can say that with AC current), so that was a distinct advantage.

    • @16jan1986
      @16jan1986 Год назад

      I just think those people that say dc is real trains should back of i model dc i seriously flawed..... Turnouts create stoppages all the time with shunter locomotives, tracks and wheels create running on sleeper or derail problems and do i need to talk about the turning loops which need special eletronics not to make short circuit....also you cannot use the track for easy position location..... märklin is the best system it is just at shame that the large radia they made on the rare mid 50ties series never got made in later M series

    • @julianstark9538
      @julianstark9538 Год назад

      Wow, I wrote that a year ago. I don't know if you run digital, but if you have capacitors in your locomotives, they don't stop on turnouts. Reversing loops are really a special application, not too prototypical, but, if you don't mind 3 rails (or Punktkontakte), maybe realism isn't such a concern. Speaking of reversing, conventional DC never needed a solenoid and a momentary voltage spike to reverse direction, you just needed to throw a direction switch, or move the control knob in the other direction. Derailments are usually due to an error in laying the track, rather than the track itself. I would trade some special electronics on a reversing loop for a realistic look any day. You can absolutely use (Rueckmeldung) in DC to locate the trains. Maerklin is also rather pricey, when it comes down to it. The quality is good, however; I have several Trix locos and rolling stock which I enjoy. I also compliment them for introducing digital control, which has actually been a bonanza for the manufacturers at the hobbyist's expense. t doesn't seem like you're up to date with DC/ DCC. Also, look at the market: most manufacturers are primarily DC; that's not an accident.@@16jan1986