How to Safely Go Down Hills on a Surfskate
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- In this video I demonstrate how to safely go down hills on a surfskate.
VIDEO TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction
02:22 The Key Principle of Surfskating Hills Safely
03:09 Surfskating Down a Hill Demonstration
05:47 How to Safely Go Fast Down Hills on a Surfskate
08:14 How to Safely Go Down Narrow Trails on a Surfskate
08:51 Demonstrating Tight Carving on a Very Steep Hill
09:51 Choosing the Right Surfskate Truck for Downhill Surfskating
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I really appreciate you’re stoke and passion for surf skating!! Passion is a key for a happy life! I love my carver so much that don’t ride my other boards anymore 🥰 Hey all you haters out there, surf skating is here to stay so be nice!! 🤙🏼
I love my smooth star.. I was missing something before I started Surfskating
I love my Carver and Spice😍😍😍
There are surskaters haters !?!? I just started this sport. XD
@@mpereirawolf i had the same question.
Maybe some people think that Surfskating is a New Fashion Sport. But they don't see that it is just a more "traditional Style, which is more based on the 70's skating
LMAO I lost it when you said "this is how to navigate a steep and narrow road" and then proceeds to step off and walk the rest of the way.
A good rule of thumb is to move SLOWLY out of our comfort zone. Although each time we try to learn a new skill we WIL fall, yet we get better at bailing out. Don't rush through the development and accidents as such won't occur
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I am learning so much from you my friend. I’m about 60 years old and just taking up surf skating for the first time in my life. I skateboarded in my youth. And I miss the feeling!!! Looks like you’re pushing 40 so you’re an inspiration to me.
This is so helpful for a novice like me who can’t afford to lose a finger due to occupation. A damn big thank you to Steve and his crew for taking the time to do this. The streets here in New England aren’t nearly as wide, but there’s no shame in walking when needed, so thanks for including that too.
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I live in korea and here some streets are also not that good. When I feels insecure, i just walk 😂
Just turned 64 and been skateboarding since the 70s. For me the Carver C7 truck is the most innovative technology to come along since the urethane wheel as it finally allowed skateboards to mimic the fluidity and the pumping and carving of surfing. I go way back to the days of loose bearing Cadillac wheels and Bennett trucks fitted to 24" decks and can speak to the true terrors of high speed wobs - and have the scars to show for it! I have a Carver Fractal and Loaded Poke each fitted with C7 trucks and love the maneuverability characteristics provided by the different wheelbase of these decks. Great tips for speed control on hills - especially the get off and walk it down technique for the step and narrow!!!
Broke my arm 14 days ago going down a hill on my surfskate. Now I'm watching your video, I always watch your videos, they are so great and helpful 👍 😊
Yikes! I was two weeks too late! Sorry to hear that, man.
@@SurfskateLove Thanks, man!
@@SurfskateLove lol
Thank you very much for your videos. I've only just discovered surfskating because my daughter recently developed an interest in skateboarding. I'm 59, I used to surf but have very limited skateboarding experience. That said, I'm kitted up with a Waterborne adapter on my old dinghy cruiser and with your help I'm carving, pumping and loving it. Never too old to learn and have fun! You are an inspiration!
Love it! Thank you!
I have a tip. When turning at the edges of both ends of a wide road you can turn back uphill a little to kill some of the speed especially on your toe side. You don't have to always turn towards the downward slope direction. I hope my tip will save alot of skaters from going too fast and wiping out alot. And remember your eyes is your greatest safety gear. Always look around when skating on open roads where cars are present especially watch your back and your blind spot that's where cars can sneak up on you.
A big THANK YOU from Brazil! I've been learning a lot from your videos! Thanks for sharing your experience and passion for surfskating!
Man, it's been 10 years since I did this last time. Your video apeared last night and now I'm about to go out and carve some old spots!
Thank you for the stoke!!!!!
This is a great video, thank you. Got a z-flex with waterborne setup on the way and I did t realise that you could carve hills so easily with surfskate so I'm looking forward to trying out the techniques in this vid 🤙
Another tip is related to body dynamics. When turning on your heel side it helps to keep your rear arm low and pointing straight down to the side with your other arm doing the opposite on the other side stretching straight out and up to the sky in a 45 degree angle. On your toe side it's your front arm that's low and towards the ground at a 45 degree to the side and your other arm up high. It should feel natural not stiff or forced. Relax and flow in and out of the turns and slightly bend your knees. Enjoy the outdoors the wind in your face.
"Excellent video. Carving down hills brings an incredible sense of freedom. My problem is that my knees start to hurt after a while..."
First off let me say, great video. You getting off and walking on that hill you didn’t feel comfortable with was a good lesson for many. Also. It’s not the front truck that causes speed wobble it’s the rear truck. You want that tight enough to prevent speed wobble. It’s also how have your weight distributed. You want all of your weight on the front truck. This is why such a loose truck like the curfboard can do just fine on hills. It’s because it’s the rear truck that is more soild on that board. Also wear a full face helmet anytime you are bombing hills. Don’t mess around I’ve seen too many people suffer serious brain injuries and mess up their faces because they were too cool for protection. Another thing is learn to fall. There is a right way and many wrong ways to fall. You never want to try to stop yourself with your hands that is how to break them. You want to crouch in and role it out. Another thing is learn to stop just as good as you move forward. Foot brake and air brake is what you want to practice. You want to be able to foot brake safely. Never try to foot brake above 25 mph, air braking will get you to about 25mph even if you are bombing a hill at 50. Then from 25mph you can safely and slowly foot brake. Don’t let anyone peer pressure you into bombing a hill you are not comfortable with. That is how you die. They will be saying stupid shit like come on bro, yolo. That’s when you say your right yolo. I’ll live to skate another hill. Full face helmet. I can’t say it enough.
Hi Dustin, the information that you've written here is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Not avoiding speed wobbles but how to control them. I will try this out shifting my weight forward and back to see the effect on the speed wobbles.
Secondly, great advice, safety protection and live to ride another day :-) a damaged rider will have to sit out for days/weeks/months whilst everyone else is having fun, so thanks for that.
Third, I don't know what air braking is but I won't be doing those speeds for sometime, meanwhile I will check it out.
Thank you for your great response, information and advice 🙂
I would like to add to this conversation. You can use standup toe slides and heel slides to speed check the same way downhill long boarders do to “speed check” yourself. I own a hamboard logger and often time employ this to slow down on very steep hills where I can’t carve away speed because I’m either too large for the narrow hill or i might high side attempting to carve out the speed because I’ve already accumulated too much. You can also employ this method to go a LOT faster down said hill rather than just carving and sorta walking down it as you put it. My buddy rides a carver CX and employs the same method I do in order to speed check. I however don’t have a ton of experience with swing arm platforms and downhill so it might be harder to that on a Yow or Waterborne
It’s definitely possible on a Yow
Nice video! Very inspiring for me as I get back on after several years away. This is by far my favorite skate activity and brings me a lot of joy as long as I recognize my limits and act accordingly. People might scoff at me when they see me carving the streets at my age but that will never wipe the smile off my face 😀
Great advice. Been testing surfskates a few days and bought my new carver two days back (based on your recommendations). Thought I could handle a gentle slope but it was too narrow to turn, lost control and had no choice but to throw myself to the ground as I sped up also trying to avoid an oncoming bike 😅 a bit of a bloody knee and hand but lesson learned. Certainly will be looking for wider spaces and suitable for my level.
Great instructions! I am in love with my surfskate and learning a lot with you! Thanks!
That makes me happy to hear! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much for your video!! One really important part you mentioned at the end is that you can also go straight up the hill to loose speed. I think you did not mentioned it in the beginning but when you carve from left to right it also seems like you go in an infinity/laying down 8 shape - so you also go a bit upwards at each carve! The demonstration of the steep hill was really cool - just grab the board and go down. I like to sit on my board and break with my shoe soles - sure - they won't last forever but it is fun :D
Thank you so much for your videos, you really share your love of surf skating with us and that's very inspiring.
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Your videos really are top tier. Thank you so much for the work you do
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thank you so much!!!!!!!!!! love your videos!!!
Very important topic and great video!
It's so nice to see people skating so fluidly
Love your tutorial videos!
This wide street is the pipeline of surfskate. Wish I had one like this here where I live in Brazil. Loving your content! Keep it up!!!
right? that's what i think everytime i watch this video, and i watch it often bc i love it. Our guy here lives in skateboarding paradise, literally.
Ei tbm sou so Brasil. Eu sou do interior entao la tem varias ruas desse tipo. Só tem que ter cuidado com os carros msm.
Thanks for the vid! I'm just about to get my first surfskate tomorrow and looking forward to carving some hills. I already carve steeps (25-32° stuff) with a snowboard and your vid confirmed I can just use the same techniques to control my speed. Thanks!
Excellent content on your channel 👏. I've just bought a surfskate to aid with my surf progression in my 40s 😆. Keep up the good work
Awesome! That makes me happy to hear!
This is awesome. Thanks.
Thank you for such great explanation.
Now I need to move to that neighborhood, it's surfskate paradise
That kind of hill skating was my favorite nearly 50 years ago, long before surfskates. I first got into skateboarding for the similarity to skiing. Skateboarding is much more accessible and much less expensive. It doesn't require travel or buying a lift ticket. Nice video!
You and I had a brief discussion a few months ago. I still haven't tried a surfskate. I have been looking more closely at surf videos, and I've observed how the turning revolves around the rear part of the board, so I think I now understand better why the exaggerated front steering of a surfskate is more similar to surfing. I still have to say that at low speeds, kick turns are a great way to tighten up a turn, and they work in carving hills, too. An uphill turn can be finished with a kick turn, followed by another kick turn to point the board back down the hill. These are different ways of managing the steepness/width ratio, which is the main challenge of this kind of skating.
Great video, Really cool street section at 6:30
Thanks guy, very good!!!
Sweet, I have been riding a longboard for a couple years, ordered a carver though, lots of hills out here. I watched this video a while back, should have paid more attention to the differences you mentioned about the surfskate. Thanks for the tips.
Thank you so much for these great tips!
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You are so great. Thanks from Spain.
Great to see you getting some speed. 🤙
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Very Good my friend! Excelent vídeo I'm from Brazil, I love surfskate
Amazing spot, amazing teachings
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We would love to visit and ride with you someday soon! ❤️ Amazing video!
That's gonna happen fo sho, either here or in Italy!
great vid. i have been carving down hills as i get better at surfskating
Pra mim só aparecem em inglês com legendas também em inglês!
Absolutely helpfull! Thanks!! Greetings from the Netherlands
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These videos are informative & entertaining. It’s really flat here in Chicago, but at least I know for just in case…
I get zero speed wobble on my 37" custom Waterborne setup. Also, I carve as hard as I can for preslide (the rear wheels slide without breaking out) to slow down even more than with perfectly tracked carving. I'm 63, 6'3 and 255 lb and have been surfskating for less than 3 months, and longboarding for 3 more than that. But I am retired, so practice many hours per day.
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that's epic man. keep it up
Muito bom Steve, ótimas dicas!
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Thanks from germany. Very helpful. 🤙❤️
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Damn. I wish I lived near you to go Surf Skating with you. I live in England so it'd be a long journey. With you in spirit mate!
I use to work at the Carver Skateboard Foundry when i was 16 and rode their skateboards everywhere till i was 21! I just recently got into Electric skateboards in my very limited free time but man would l love a Carver C7 truck Eskate!
Thanks!!
It makes sense now why my craving was awful today.. the road was steep but also so so narrow and full of pebbles :D
Thank you brother
Your flexibility has improved drastically!
Yep! I've been doing yoga every day for about the past three months. It has made a world of difference.
Very good video. I live in a small town in Italy, the wider descent is like the tighter of your town🤣 It’s impossibile carving downhill with a surfskate! Anyway, I love your videos. Surfskate is pure fun!
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My experience of a narrow downhill: I tried to go down on a narrow and fast little hill (50/80m long) with my surfskate... I went straight but the speed was so high that my front truck was like moving dangerously... I decided to jump off the board but .. lol i couldnt handle the speed while on my feet after jumping😅 i've burn my knees onto the road and i almost knock myself as I hited the ground with my helmet... Well my knees were healed after 6-8 months... i still have the marks now after 1 year and half.. the best advice in this video is to go down a hill by walking if the path is narrow because its too hard to handle the speed no matter what. 😢 . Thanks for the video !!
Yikes! Stay careful out there!
This guy is a treasure
I used to live at the bottom of the infamous 9th Avenue run in SF. It gets quite steep in places. I mostly used to slide and bomb it. Backside 9th is a roller-coaster of a hillbomb! Anyway, I carved up a hill on my surfskate the other day. It was quite fun.
Seus Vídeos aparecem em Português e por isso posso acompanhar as dicas e os ensinamentos " Obrigado" muito legal!
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Such wide and quiet streets! Very lucky!
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Your roads are so wide and empty, I would of been hit by 30 cars already doing that here in UK. Love the video very helpful and great skills!!
Today I bombed a hill because I saw a yt vid say I should attack the hill, the road stole most of my skin and my bum, I'm still looking for my skin lol. I'm a noob, didn't know about carving to slow down because I end up with speed wobble. Thanks for all the insight and suggestions to handle a hill, I feel much better getting on my board again🙏🏼
This is doooope
Steep and narrow hills call for a sit down on the board! 😂 I sit and drag my feet to lessen the speed if its too much lol. A fun core workout too to steer
Hi! I've been loving your content!
Was feet pain a thing for you? I tend to feel pain in my feet very quickly when surfskating due to frequent weight shifts.
I learnt how to do this within a week, but I gotta say I knew how to actually surf from before. The most important thing to master is how to balance your weight when you are doing sharp turns, since this is the safest way to loose speed when you are going down a hill. Once you master this, you must know, by the feel and the noise made by the contact of your wheels with the ground, when they are about to drift. Knowing this you can slowly learn the limits of your board and also how to develop a decent drifting technique.
Hey, I wonder how the cam man shoot it, riding backward? Once again great video, it made my day!
GoPro on a headstrap facing backwards while riding a scooter in front of me. :-)
"take mah strong hand, child!" haha loving your videos man! i'm about to get into surfskating myself. Not gonna lie, the Swell tech is tickling my fancy. I think you dont like it very much though. Excellent content.
Not for my style of riding. Not good for rough terrain and long distances.
@@SurfskateLove that's a very useful tip! Thank you.
..love soundtrack
Those driveways were sweet!!!
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Great videos. Which truck/board setup would be best for longer distance pumping while preserving some surf training qualities? 16.5 inch wheelbase.
Carver CX
Nice & Thanks :)
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I would add some sliding cloves so you can go deeper for extra fun. Always wear a helmet. It prevents you from ending up being a "plant". No helmet,no respect told me some hardcore downhill guys!!!
Don’t need a helmet for this. That’s the whole point. That’s downhill longboarders saying that. Of course it applies to that. This is a whole different deal though.
@@SurfskateLove Lol no it's not. The point is to enjoy yourself and stay fit etc. The point of a helmet is to not become a plant in the process. You're arguably more likely to hit your head at low speeds. I wear a helmet pumping on a wide skateboard with cruiser wheels. You need a helmet for any skating unless you want to risk becoming a vegetable. Look up the vid with the ex skater with a massive dent in his skull. Stay safe man
I am even fully padded when trying some new tricks. It looks stupid but I don't care. I now carving down is much slower but still.... I've seen very bad bails. But it's up to you.
@@ShinShinoke Well I fell very bad at a lower speed. I live in a shut down gravel pit. The just put buildings into it. Just a little stone in your way and thats it. I just heard a,"hrrrrr" And I knew what was gonna happen next. But also u need to know how to fall to not have sticking bones out off your body.
@@minaha1975 You can fit pads under loose trousers easily. I need to wear knee pads. Will do when learning to slide and learning tricks for sure, as my knees are still recovering (not from a hit, but messed them up over skating). I always wear a helmet and gloves. Need to learn to bail properly though (ninja roll).
Always keep a skate tool in your pocket and make alot of small fine adjustments whenever you stop. That way by the end of the day your boand will be super dialed in for the particular hill you're riding. Keep in mind that every hill and road is different and you may need to adjust it some more.
I like your channel -- liked and subscribed. 2 quick questions: 1) can you power slide to stop your surf skate, because I'm guessing that using 1 foot to slow down your board might be trickier because the trucks move so easily on surf skates, or 2) can you safely slow down and stop by dragging 1 foot off the surf skate? Thanks!
Yes to both. Easy to both if you know how.
Just wanted to say I'm a new watcher and just subscribed, I've come across your channel through shred shack. I've longboarded for over 10 years now and I'm now super interested in grabbing a surfskate for myself. Would you have a recommendation? I'm 6 ft and 200 lbs. Appreciate the channel thanks for what you do!
Thank you! Check out my free Surfskate Selector app here: surfskate.love/surfskate-selector/
Have fun!
@@SurfskateLove beautiful. Super stoked! Thank you
Miss having these wide wide streets back in the States but now that I'm in Singapore a lot of the paths are way too narrow so I end up having to walk the board most of the time 😢 been trying to learn how to slide in situations where I need to brake
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singapore guy here , i know what you're talking about , im gonna practice my foot braking ....without my foot breaking
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Awesome vídeo I own 12 carvers and some Landyatchtz and loaded boards. Nothing wrong with it. Sorry about your incident.
What works for me is making the turn as quick And sharp as possible, pumping. Not looking for a snap, but almost, that way you lose a lot of speed and gain control again.
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Learning on roads less than half that size!! Amazing, where is this filmed and where’s all the traffic?
St. George, Utah on a Sunday morning. Everyone is at church, haha.
Nice T shirt, I will get one someday.
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Your next step is to do some speed checks to shed speed where you don't have much room.
I suppose learning to do speed checks would be easier on a downhill kinda longboard... Furthermore, trying speed checks with superflat, concave free YOW like boards seems to be a recipe for disaster.
Does garage entries are perfect to practice snaps 🤙
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Steve, thank you for the great howto's and reviews! Is it possible to make a bearings review? I am not sure, if I have to replace the stock ones (Yow). There are to many on the market - tekton, bones, bronson...
Six or seven, metal or ceramic..
Here’s the thing about bearings. It’s a lot about personal preference. Once you ride more you can feel a difference. I ride bones race reds a lot just because of the built in spacers, but they’re pretty much bones with the built in. I don’t mind the loaded jehu or however it’s spelled. I was not a fan of carver bearings. But I’m sure they’re ok
Don’t look too much into ABEC ratings. Don’t really mean much in small packages such as board bearings.
Ceramics are great. I have one set of the Bronson in my go to park board and whenever I buy a new park board I swap them out. They can get wet, roll fast, less maintenance. But my surfskates are filled with the bones race reds and loaded. Carvers I donated to my local skate shop. I didn’t like they’re built in or they’re regular ones.
Bearing reviews are hard to do because it takes a lot of riding to feel a true difference. I’ve been riding on and off for 20 years now. The bones then and the bones now feel no difference. It has more to do with the internal lube I feel off the shelf. Which is why bones, Bronson’s, etc(actual brand names) mostly are preferred. Getting into Swiss and non Swiss is even harder to feel a difference. Doing a wheel spin doesn’t really tell much because it truly matters how your bearings are rolling with a load on them. Which is why I don’t like some(carver)
Just my opinion on bearing and doing bearing reviews. If you like them ride them, if you don’t, try another set.
На длинных и узких склонах, где нет места для разворота, у меня получается сбросить скорость когда я еду змейкой, при повороте перенося вес ближе к передним колёсам. Не сработает с большим уклоном, но в принципе работает, и можно не идти пешком
The problem is crusing down narrower hills. I find that there's very little room to turn and I have to bail so I don't hit the side. Might also be that I'm on a cruiser board which I turned into an approximation of a surfskate by loosening my front truck a lot.
A loose traditional truck is still far off from a proper surfskate truck so you may be missing out on the ability to carve those hills. Regardless, if the hill is too narrow you’ll have to control your speed with check slides. It’s a good skill to learn even if you’re riding carvable hills.
Hey there! I am watching all of your videos and I am liking what I'm seeing. I have a question, though. Isn't the 'speed wabble' due to a loose rear truck, instead of the front one? I like the carving surf feeling on the skateboard but I would like to speed up my Carver a little bit more down the slope also, but as I drop a little bit more straight it gets a little out of control and I am obliged to carve out to slow down. It is pretty frustrating. In this video I noticed that you do what I intend to do. What would be the hint for me to achieve more speed with control on my 31" Carver. I am 6'4 and 220 pound dude. Thx in advance! Cheers!
I'm actually not sure.
After crashing myself, I would highly suggest any beginner to start by learning how to slide. the reason is that it's the only way to slow down quickly on high speeds. carving won't help you once you pick up speed, and the faster you go, the wider you'll have to carve, which for most roads is just not relevant. So, for your health, you have to know how to slide. jumping off the board obviously is not an option once you reach a certain speed, and you'd be surprised at how quickly you reach that speed, especially on a cruiser/longboard/surfskate.
Yes, that's smart.
Problem with speed wobbles is that there are no indication until it hits u :( The waterborne seems to be able to take higher speed without the wobbles as it is bushing based compared to smoothstar (spring) which was my 1st time expriencing speed wobbles. There was not enough width to carve out & no safe way to bail out. Thought speed wobbles only happens at much higher speed! Was I wrong. Doesn't take much speed for a wobble to throw u off. Good that u shared this. Another tip to add, is that when the wobble kicks in, is to shift as much weight to the front feet to try & reduce the wobble till u level out & pray that u can hold on till then. Basically that's what I did that saved me from being washed out :) What I do now after the harrowing experience is to practice tight carves as possible with my different deck setups to gauge the minimum width needed to decide to carve & slide or just walk down.
Yikes! And yep, that’s exactly what you have to do.
Thanks from Russia!!! ЯНАО здесь! 😎🤙
Hello! Thanks for the great tips in the video, I have a yow snappers 32.5 with meraki (S5) system. If I were to take it into a bowl or pump track should tighten it up at all or does it work okay in those settings how it is?
You can't tighten the Meraki.
yooo hello.
And so, I was just commenting due to my experience, when i go downhill with a surfskate, (I go downhill with a smoothstar ), I just throw slides here and there, I haven't fallen once since I started.
I bought the Sector 9. I was wondering how you carve so easily. My Sector doesn't carve as easily, especially being a beginner. But it can gather speed going downhill, which is terrifying. 😂
lot of love from kashmir, recently I fell while skateboarding on a downhill at over 60KPH speed after that I am still on reset, but after 3 months , inshallah i will start again! but the problem here is we have 10 feet road w! button line
great video for safety info learned valuable tips to maybe save my ass!,,,,thank you!
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I love your run. I’m in San Diego but I don’t know of a safe no car run at least in my area. Would love to hang out with you and do your run. And even end up at the skate park! Fan of surf skate love!
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I do this with a Ripstick. The advantage is that it stops almost immediately rather than shooting off like a bullet when you bail on it. You can pull some pretty tight turns on it due to the the two-wheel configuration.
However, I just bought a Carver so I'll have to try the four-wheel version I guess.
I've seen various surfskating videos where guyz just carve in and out of driveways all the way down the hill. Are homeowners all good with that where you are?
Yeah, I met all the homeowners and asked permission.
Dude, you keep saying you can't bend your knees like a surfer and yet... Here you are... :)
I've been doing yoga every day for about the past three months. It has made a world of difference.
My only problem is my pathways aren’t nearly as wide. Definitely love the concept tho
slide gloves will save your other fingers and palms.
I don't slide like that so it's not necessary.
@@SurfskateLove Call me crazy but my experience with motorcycles is " what doesn't slide usually breaks or burns"
@@rctrix9063 I don’t bomb hills. I have total control at all times.
@@SurfskateLove 😁✌
@@SurfskateLove Until you don't. If you board expect to fall. Falling on your hands is much nicer with gloves! I always wear gloves. And the odd time I've come off it's saved my palms
I'm 54, living in a camper now and I've been skating for yrs when I was (much) younger. It's been years that I'm watching those carving style skating videos and I always felt I HAD to buy one of those carvers and at the same time thinking I was maybe too old to get back to it. I also lost my beloved wife in the meanwhile and she wasn't very keen about the idea... I'm pretty close to pull the trigger on a Carver (Proteus or Headron) or a Yow Shadow (33.5) with a preference towards the Yow I must say. Did you have any advise to help me keeping from doing a (big) mistake before I say goodbye to this good ol'world lol??? Do you know those decks? (I've watched your other vids and found them REALLY well made and upmost interesting and honest. Thank you! And God bless!
The proteus is one of my favorites of all time. Beautiful board.