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I somewhat disagree on your definition of abandonment. I don't know what the situation is with the breakdancing dad, but there are a lot of nuances to abandonment. There is emotional abandonment of people who are right near. For an example of this watch the movie the Breakfast Club. Sometimes people are right near, but they talk at you instead of talk with you. They view you as a thing instead of a person. They take you for granted as an individual or see you as a means to an end. In the case of the breakdancing dad, I think it is improper to characterize his giving money to his daughter and ex wife as being proof that he is incapable of abandonment. It is also obvious that his daughter sees him as a source for money and has developed a pattern of behavior where she gets money by guilt tripping her dad and perhaps she transfers that sentiment onto her viewers. This is even confirmed in her father's first statement of how much money he had given his ex wife as though, that is the only meter of abandonment. His daughter sees him as a means to an end, and he helped encourage that and develop that trait along with the whole of our society, so I cringe a little when you confirm that sentiment. The daughter will have a hard time in life as she must break herself of the habit of seeing others as a means to an end. She must also break herself of the habit of viewing men as little more than a source of money. I suspect that the father is correct in his description of his ex wife. She probably picked him as a husband because he embodied everything that is wrong about how our society perceives men. She groomed her daughter in like philosophy reinforcing the pattern of behavior. Yes, he abandoned his kids even though his ex wife is a harpy. Why? Because when you become a parent, THAT is your most important job. NOT building an advertising agency. NOT breakdancing on the morning news shows. And no amount of good-time parenting can make up for real significant time, real self sacrifice, real rearranging of your priorities, and demonstrating endlessly your real concern and dedication to their best interests. Sometimes, that means NOT giving your kid money. Sometimes, that means not spending so much time at work and living real life with your kids as they live life. Abandonment also happens in a lot of subtle, gas lighting ways. I hate to use woker speak, but abandonment that is the most profound is micro abandonment where a parent keeps making promises of easy things that they could do like send a birthday card, show up when they committed to show up, call when they committed to call or give their kids the things that their kids deserve like time, attention, and love. The money shouldn't be the defining characteristic of the relationship especially if the parent doesn't have any, but this guy has lots of it, so wouldn't throwing money at his kids indicate the opposite of dedication, especially if he admits that "it was against his better judgement." Doesn't that translate to "I knowingly caused my kid emotional damage and stunted her development, but I liberated myself from my own conscience and social culpability because both she and society view me as a means to money and not as a person, and I wouldn't have it any other way, because paying money is easier than really caring." He wants the world to know that he fulfills his expected role...... and ...he's a good dancer. Abandoned people won't always be able to articulate how they are abandoned, because the abandoner might be right near, they they might be in regular official contact, or they might be saying "I love you." The abandoner might always have an excuse why they are rarely or never physically or emotionally available. In a society where nearly all children come from broken homes, abandonment is an epidemic. It is up to the parent to rise above their own limits and hurdles of society and ex spouse to prevent their kids from forming abandonment complex, so if it happens, it is a or both parent's fault. There is no getting around it. Abandoned people usually become abandoners. They have become accustomed to abandonment as a lifestyle because it happened to them in their formative years. They live it so they are unable to see it.
Thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts Steve. I always appreciate good discussion. I don’t disagree that abandonment has many forms, and like you said, a close in proximity parent can still give off abandonment vibes due to a lack a follow through and a lack of emotional availability. And you are correct that just because a parent is financially supportive, it does not mean that they are There. That is all true. The points I made here, are specifically in relation to those people, which are many, that have experienced abandonment in its complete form, meaning that person is gone and there is no contact. I took that route, because so many people were expressing that sentiment in the comments on her video. Expressing their similar feelings and some providing their own stories, which many were much worse than what Madi’s was described as, even before her Dad made the response video. My other point, that I hope was articulated is that this can all be valid feelings of abandonment or absence in the eyes of Madi. That can be and is true. However, she chose to put this on the internet and people are going to provide their own response and views on it. My view is that the unfortunately common “woke” mentality of the victim complex, is viewing yourself as a perpetual victim, without thinking about others. What their experiences have been. What others have gone through compared to yourself, and whether or not that mantle of victimhood you’ve put yourself on, has enough to actually stand up to what others experience. That’s where Madi, in my opinion and other people, see her as using a commonly felt, unfortunately, feeling, to get sympathy views = virality. As for the financial support her father provided, I know that’s a sensitive topic because people see money differently. Madi’s tact made it seem like her Dad was just gone, pursuing his own dreams and out of the picture. Which he was and did. Where this has nuance is compared to those people that have been abandoned, and also were left with nothing, struggling throughout childhood which we know has an impact on children’s development and their ability to earn in the future. This of course isn’t everyone, but it’s common enough that those trends are visible. And having financial support for real medical expenses, college funds etc, I don’t think it’s wrong to say that that provides a lot. It’s not everything, it’s not emotional support, but it’s more than so many other people have. It’s not the only meter of abandonment. I pointed to this specifically in the video, because that was the crux of her argument against her Dad. Him not paying for medical bills. I have seen people with millions be absent and cold to their children, but provide them everything they need. And I have seen families with practically nothing, but their all there for each other and deeply emotionally connected. And I have seen rich people have great relationships with their families, and poor families have horrible relationships. It truly is how you view family, children and connection. I believe in valuing love and happiness over money, because I don’t see money as the bee all end all. I do though, know how much easier life can be when you have that support, and you know it’s there. Your kids are lucky to have you. You seem to get it better than most parents and I hope your kids appreciate that, because you are right that it is the parents job to rise above society and raise their children to have integrity and gratitude for what they do have. A lesson I don’t see much these days sadly. Here’s hoping we all continue to learn more and can rise above the parts of our societies culture that is bringing us down. Thanks again for giving me lots to think about. Appreciate your views and look forward to more.
This is all so dumb. From both of you. So many words and not one iota of substance. We don't technically disagree with what steve says but clearly he can't spot 'abandonment' when its standing right at his face. The child abandoned the father. The father did not abandon the child. The father did right by her. And the child is an ungrateful and abhorrent individual. You can fault the father for not teaching his child decency and spoiling his daughter. But you cannot say he abandon her and did not do right by her. If i were Ben, I would disown the ungrateful child.
A lot of women can be that way, but so can men. The loudest and most prominent in todays hyper social world sure do come off as unaccountable, but for the women and men that aren’t chronically online, there is a lot of accountability and humility.
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Attention is Hell of a Drug! Now she’s writing a Screenplay about this whole situation! 🧐
"like literally" has become my signal to humans I need to run the opposite direction from. This whole story is so sad. Seeing her explaining her life to the internet is going to haunt her...
Youre almost to 1,000 subs! Keep up the good content.
Thanks so much!!
I think the mother lied to the kids about their father because she us bitter and petty !!!!
was so obviously faked. for that dad to NOT be even slightly upset his own threw him under a bus, it HAD to be faked
Agreed
🤗 Nice work. Funny hearing your outrage lol
Liked and subbed. Nicely done - much better than most.
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I think this is a viral marketing campaign between the two of them. Seems like total nonsense and just an attention grab.
I somewhat disagree on your definition of abandonment. I don't know what the situation is with the breakdancing dad, but there are a lot of nuances to abandonment. There is emotional abandonment of people who are right near. For an example of this watch the movie the Breakfast Club. Sometimes people are right near, but they talk at you instead of talk with you. They view you as a thing instead of a person. They take you for granted as an individual or see you as a means to an end. In the case of the breakdancing dad, I think it is improper to characterize his giving money to his daughter and ex wife as being proof that he is incapable of abandonment. It is also obvious that his daughter sees him as a source for money and has developed a pattern of behavior where she gets money by guilt tripping her dad and perhaps she transfers that sentiment onto her viewers. This is even confirmed in her father's first statement of how much money he had given his ex wife as though, that is the only meter of abandonment. His daughter sees him as a means to an end, and he helped encourage that and develop that trait along with the whole of our society, so I cringe a little when you confirm that sentiment. The daughter will have a hard time in life as she must break herself of the habit of seeing others as a means to an end. She must also break herself of the habit of viewing men as little more than a source of money. I suspect that the father is correct in his description of his ex wife. She probably picked him as a husband because he embodied everything that is wrong about how our society perceives men. She groomed her daughter in like philosophy reinforcing the pattern of behavior. Yes, he abandoned his kids even though his ex wife is a harpy. Why? Because when you become a parent, THAT is your most important job. NOT building an advertising agency. NOT breakdancing on the morning news shows. And no amount of good-time parenting can make up for real significant time, real self sacrifice, real rearranging of your priorities, and demonstrating endlessly your real concern and dedication to their best interests. Sometimes, that means NOT giving your kid money. Sometimes, that means not spending so much time at work and living real life with your kids as they live life. Abandonment also happens in a lot of subtle, gas lighting ways. I hate to use woker speak, but abandonment that is the most profound is micro abandonment where a parent keeps making promises of easy things that they could do like send a birthday card, show up when they committed to show up, call when they committed to call or give their kids the things that their kids deserve like time, attention, and love. The money shouldn't be the defining characteristic of the relationship especially if the parent doesn't have any, but this guy has lots of it, so wouldn't throwing money at his kids indicate the opposite of dedication, especially if he admits that "it was against his better judgement." Doesn't that translate to "I knowingly caused my kid emotional damage and stunted her development, but I liberated myself from my own conscience and social culpability because both she and society view me as a means to money and not as a person, and I wouldn't have it any other way, because paying money is easier than really caring." He wants the world to know that he fulfills his expected role...... and ...he's a good dancer. Abandoned people won't always be able to articulate how they are abandoned, because the abandoner might be right near, they they might be in regular official contact, or they might be saying "I love you." The abandoner might always have an excuse why they are rarely or never physically or emotionally available. In a society where nearly all children come from broken homes, abandonment is an epidemic. It is up to the parent to rise above their own limits and hurdles of society and ex spouse to prevent their kids from forming abandonment complex, so if it happens, it is a or both parent's fault. There is no getting around it. Abandoned people usually become abandoners. They have become accustomed to abandonment as a lifestyle because it happened to them in their formative years. They live it so they are unable to see it.
Thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts Steve. I always appreciate good discussion.
I don’t disagree that abandonment has many forms, and like you said, a close in proximity parent can still give off abandonment vibes due to a lack a follow through and a lack of emotional availability. And you are correct that just because a parent is financially supportive, it does not mean that they are There. That is all true. The points I made here, are specifically in relation to those people, which are many, that have experienced abandonment in its complete form, meaning that person is gone and there is no contact. I took that route, because so many people were expressing that sentiment in the comments on her video. Expressing their similar feelings and some providing their own stories, which many were much worse than what Madi’s was described as, even before her Dad made the response video.
My other point, that I hope was articulated is that this can all be valid feelings of abandonment or absence in the eyes of Madi. That can be and is true. However, she chose to put this on the internet and people are going to provide their own response and views on it. My view is that the unfortunately common “woke” mentality of the victim complex, is viewing yourself as a perpetual victim, without thinking about others. What their experiences have been. What others have gone through compared to yourself, and whether or not that mantle of victimhood you’ve put yourself on, has enough to actually stand up to what others experience. That’s where Madi, in my opinion and other people, see her as using a commonly felt, unfortunately, feeling, to get sympathy views = virality.
As for the financial support her father provided, I know that’s a sensitive topic because people see money differently. Madi’s tact made it seem like her Dad was just gone, pursuing his own dreams and out of the picture. Which he was and did. Where this has nuance is compared to those people that have been abandoned, and also were left with nothing, struggling throughout childhood which we know has an impact on children’s development and their ability to earn in the future. This of course isn’t everyone, but it’s common enough that those trends are visible. And having financial support for real medical expenses, college funds etc, I don’t think it’s wrong to say that that provides a lot. It’s not everything, it’s not emotional support, but it’s more than so many other people have. It’s not the only meter of abandonment. I pointed to this specifically in the video, because that was the crux of her argument against her Dad. Him not paying for medical bills.
I have seen people with millions be absent and cold to their children, but provide them everything they need. And I have seen families with practically nothing, but their all there for each other and deeply emotionally connected. And I have seen rich people have great relationships with their families, and poor families have horrible relationships. It truly is how you view family, children and connection. I believe in valuing love and happiness over money, because I don’t see money as the bee all end all. I do though, know how much easier life can be when you have that support, and you know it’s there.
Your kids are lucky to have you. You seem to get it better than most parents and I hope your kids appreciate that, because you are right that it is the parents job to rise above society and raise their children to have integrity and gratitude for what they do have. A lesson I don’t see much these days sadly. Here’s hoping we all continue to learn more and can rise above the parts of our societies culture that is bringing us down.
Thanks again for giving me lots to think about. Appreciate your views and look forward to more.
This is all so dumb. From both of you. So many words and not one iota of substance. We don't technically disagree with what steve says but clearly he can't spot 'abandonment' when its standing right at his face. The child abandoned the father. The father did not abandon the child. The father did right by her. And the child is an ungrateful and abhorrent individual. You can fault the father for not teaching his child decency and spoiling his daughter. But you cannot say he abandon her and did not do right by her. If i were Ben, I would disown the ungrateful child.
Accountability is like kryptonite to women 🫠
Let's try not to generalize no matter how much anecdotal evidence you may come across especially when it's such a negative generalization.
A lot of women can be that way, but so can men. The loudest and most prominent in todays hyper social world sure do come off as unaccountable, but for the women and men that aren’t chronically online, there is a lot of accountability and humility.