is this more awkward than anthony rendon who is ‘forced’ to go back to the sport he hates while being around teammates who heard him say that and collecting a paycheck of 38.6M a year just to sit out 120 out of 162 games ?
That 2019 nationals team is crazy. Trea Turner is the only decent one. Soto is an egomaniac. Rendon and Strasburg have lost all motivation to play after signing their contracts
@@jdinspires16 At some point, Trae Turner will go from a .300 hitting shortstop to a .280 hitting secondbaseman (with less speed on the bases too). I don't think it'll look like a good contract by then.
They Nationals wouldn't be wrong at all to fine him for not showing up. Until he officially retires he's an employee of the organization. Being there to mentor players is not a big ask for $35M.
Exactly. If they’re forced to pay him, they have every right to demand value out of him. If he can’t do that pitching, then you better think of something else you can do to help out. I’d make him show up early and clean sunflower seeds out the stadium. 35m a year, that’s insane
Fine? If Strasburg is on the roster and refuses to show up, he's in breach of contract and the Nationals could have the contract nullified. That's quite a fine.
He's not legally required to become a coach! Plenty of players who got hurt and couldnt play anymore didnt have to report to Spring Training. Prince Fielder, David Wright, Chris Davis, etc. YET The Nationals are being petty....because they want SS to defer even more money than he already has (which he has refused to do). The Nats are being petty.
I agree on this, I'm sure there's been some really bad arguments in the back which is why stras doesnt want to go, but why not be a pitching coach for 35 million.. His injury is handcuffing the franchise. How does he not know that? Least you can do is help guys like Gray and Gore.
Yeah. That's the issue. He can't play but he won't officially retire because then he won't get paid. He wants them to continue to pay him but allow him to not attempt to fulfill his contract stipulations since he can't pitch anyway. They want him to agree to take less money for the good of the club because even he knows the contract is bad for the team. From his perspective he gave his right arm to that organization and they need to pay him. The Nats are hoping that he if they force him to keep showing up he will eventually get sick of it and agree to take a pay cut since he won't play anyway. I have an idea. Why not try and see if he can learn to pitch with his left arm? If they gotta pay him over $100M anyway they might as well exercise every possible option. It probably won't work but it seemed to work great for Billy Wagner. Some people don't realize it but Wagner is right handed. He taught himself how to pitch left handed and next year he will likely get elected to the Hall of Fame. I would probably just pay Stras and let him retire but there is an argument out there that says if he wants all that money as the highest paid player on the team he needs to put a serious effort into trying *every single thing* he can to help the team. If he never tries to pitch lefty no one will ever know if he can. Or maybe he can complete the last 3 years of his contract as a coach of some sort? What's wrong with trying every single thing you possibly can to help the team while they are paying you tons of money to help the team anyway? Just because he can't be a right-handed pitcher anymore doesn't mean he can't help the team. There are plenty of jobs on the Nationals that don't involve pitching with your right hand at all. Why not give it a shot?
@@TheSolidSnakeOil It's actually not as unheard of as some people portray for a major league player to retire and give his salary back to the team because he knows he won't help. The Seattle Mariners had a pitcher named Gil Meche. He was coming off a terrible season with them and was owed $14M the following year. He just retired and let them keep the money so they could use it to sign players that would actually help the team. The crazy thing is that Meche was actually in much better shape than Strasburg. He wasn't good anymore but at least he could still physically pitch. He didn't want his salary to hurt the team though so he retired and gave up his salary in his final effort to help the Mariners win. Meche's contract also wasn't going to hurt the Mariners nearly as much Strasburg's contract is going to hurt the Nationals. So Gil Meche retired and gave up his contract because he knew it would help the team. I'm sure the Nationals are hoping that sometime over the next few years Strasburg decides to do the same thing.
@@ronaldwayne7092, he'd get a retirement settlement, which would no doubt be substantially less than the entire contract value. But he'd still get paid. Obviously, it's in his best interests to hold off on official retirement as long as possible.
Might be Tony Gwynn's last active link to the league. Its hard to watch. I met Tony, and he gave me tickets to watch Strasburg pitch. He was throwing 98 in the 8th inning one night at SDSU. He had that Kobe/Lebron type hype. Its sad to see someone so accomplished be perceived as so UNaccomplished. Expectations and injuries are just that. He has made more than 99% of mlb players, and had more talent than 99% of mlb pitchers. To make it, dominate, and be THAT GUY for even 3 years is an accomplishment 99.99% of us want to be. Thank you Stephen Strasburg, no matter where your journey goes.
I have no sympathy for the team in regards to the contract, they agreed to it and they live with the outcome if he doesn't want to restructure it. At the same time, they're paying him $35m, they're completely entitled to make Strasberg travel with the team, attend all 162 games, etc for 4 more years. If he doesn't like it, he can file for retirement and forfeit his remaining contract.
The very LEAST thing he could do is come and mentor the young pitchers. I don't give a rats ass if he's shy, he's taking $35 million a year from the gNats. He's certainly not holding up his end of the bargain. This is why guaranteed contracts are ridiculous
he signed that contract to get paid that amount to PITCH. Having to retire early (which wasn't his choice, by the way) was not in his mind. He was expecting to get paid that for doing his job as a pitcher and the Nats aren't stupid. It's not like they weren't aware that a player can just have a tragic retirement out of nowhere but that's the risk EVERY team takes when signing players to any contract. No one's fault, really but to say he needs to give back to the team is a bit of a stretch 😂 last thing i would want on my team is a dude that doesn't even wanna be there mentoring the younger guys. I'd rather have someone with a genuine interest for it.
Very rare that I side with the organization over the player, but in this case i have to. If he's not going to officially retire and leave the money on the table, he needs to show up. Not saying he has to retire, or even that he should retire for the good of the team. Both sides agreed to the contract, so he has absolutely earned that money. But you still gotta show up for work. Mentor young guys. Be with the team in the dugout/bullpen. Fulfill your end of the contract if you're not going to officially retire. Otherwise you're just like a mafia thug in the Sopranos, getting paid for no work/no show contractor jobs.
@@rich7787 then why would he announce or make it seem like he is and not say he was going to take time off and come back in some capacity for the team, the nationals are basically calling him out plus the contract is guaranteed with no insurance which means they must pay him even if he doesn't play.
it's on the nationals honestly, he can work for them behind the scenes like an advisory role but it's on him and the team trying to force him to change its going to backfire on the team now because he's not going to do it forced.
@@elcidcampeador9629 yeah but how many other people retire and teams eat their contracts and not have anything to do with those guys. They could’ve come to an agreement privately now the guy feels forced to do it so it’s a weird situation instead of telling him to take time off for himself then come back to the team in a advisory role or coach of some sort but yet again the team offered the contract he signed so they have to pay him regardless now legally they can’t force him to work for the team guaranteed contract is a guaranteed contract if anything he can sue them for even more money if they don’t leave him alone or try something crazy.
@@thejuansshow6410 Hahah. Funny. His contract is to be employeed by the team. Not to specifically pitch for the team. They CAN expect him to do other things. And the video is literally about them offering him a restructured contract so he could retire now and walk away. He said no, so if he retired he loses the money. Now, I don't blame him wanting the money. The Nationals signed the contract and they have to pay. UNTIL he doesn't report (because since he didn't retire the team is required to either DFA him or keep him on the 40-man in the off season) at which point they can place him on the restricted list. Then they don't have to pay him until he shows up and reports to the facility. And if they tell him what they want him to do and he refuses they don't have to take him off the restricted list. Sure, he would file a grievence with the league, but if what they are asking isn't unreasonable then he will lose and have to report and do so to be paid. Both sides need to just sit down and talk it out to come to a resolution. And if he doesn't want anything to do with the team anymore he is going to have to make concessions to make that happen. It is sad Strasburg's career ended up at this, but he has choices to make for his own mental health and his contract will force him to either do things he is not fully comfortable doing (because of being shy/introverted) or except monetary concessions to avoid them. And he can't sue over a contract covered by the collective bargaining agreement. He has to file a greivence and at best appeal to an abritration panel. Rock and a hard place for him.
@@davidpurrett7023 damn I didn’t know the full extent to be honest tough situation, so basically if he denies what they ask can the settle with him like buy him out of the contract or no
I just read chipper Jones book ballplayer. Had this happen to him he probably would’ve insisted they only pay him half the contract and possibly only a quarter of the contract. That man always put the Braves organization first. Would free up money so that they could go out and sign good ball players. Stephen Strasburg cares nothing about the nationals.
Saying he doesn't care is insanity, he spent his entire career with the nats, if he didn't care he would have entered free agency at the earliest time and left the team.
Why not Bobby Bonilla that contract into a sort of structured "annuity" ? I would include interest, however. He's already set for life and it frees up money to sign guys.
Living in the weirdest of times when thousnadaires are literally defending billionaires. Its not about us putting a cape on for the millionaires either. Fair is fair. Why do we have to explain these things lmao. We dont even know who tf the nats owners are...Its not their money.
If the Nats actually gave a damn about playing competitive baseball, they probably wouldn't be using a 40 man spot on a guy that physically can't play. They're stunting another player's potential career with them over pettiness. He got them over the hump, give him what he's due and move on.
He can't play but he won't officially retire because then he won't get paid. He wants them to continue to pay him but allow him to not attempt to fulfill his contract stipulations since he can't pitch anyway. They want him to agree to take less money for the good of the club because even he knows the contract is bad for the team. From his perspective he gave his right arm to that organization and they need to pay him. The Nats are hoping that he if they force him to keep showing up he will eventually get sick of it and agree to take a pay cut since he won't play anyway. I have an idea. Why not try and see if he can learn to pitch with his left arm? If they gotta pay him over $100M anyway they might as well exercise every possible option. It probably won't work but it seemed to work great for Billy Wagner. Some people don't realize it but Wagner is right handed. He taught himself how to pitch left handed and next year he will likely get elected to the Hall of Fame. I would probably just pay Stras and let him retire but there is an argument out there that says if he wants all that money as the highest paid player on the team he needs to put a serious effort into trying *every single thing* he can to help the team. If he never tries to pitch lefty no one will ever know if he can. Or maybe he can complete the last 3 years of his contract as a coach of some sort? What's wrong with trying every single thing you possibly can to help the team while they are paying you tons of money to help the team anyway? Just because he can't be a right-handed pitcher anymore doesn't mean he can't help the team. There are plenty of jobs on the Nationals that don't involve pitching with your right hand at all. Why not give it a shot?
He isn’t retired. If he was, the Nationals wouldn’t have to pay him. So that isn’t going to happen. Not taking insurance on the contract as simply idiocy. Not the players fault. Indeed. Always as hell. Player still under contract. Therefore at the whim of his employer.
@@chrisweidner4768 I said back then the Nats were nuts to pay him that kind of money with his history. I'm surprised the Yankees didn't top that contract!
I don’t know if the Patrick Corbin contract is a disaster. He added much needed pitching depth in the 2019 season and helped the organization win its first World Series.
Also there’s nothing in the contract that says if you get hurt and can’t play you have to still come for the remaining time. No contract ever would put that in no player would accept it and sign that.
If you're a hurt player under contract, you are still expected to show up, work with the team doctors to rehab, etc. Teams will often allow players out of this, especially in the case of foreign players that want to work with doctors in their home country for example but they don't have to allow this. If the player can't play anymore, his options are to retire, lose the money they would have paid him but no longer be under team control or to show up. If Strassburg doesn't show up, they could fine him for it.
Look, the nats ownership wants to cut his contract and differ it out for more years to try and save as much money before a sale. For stras, find some happy place before this gets more ugly and the organization fractures a relationship that is between him and the fans.
@@iTalkStudios the handheld gives stalker vibes idk haha, can you make a video on the yankees ws drought and the prospects of a playoff series with the yanks?
Even if Strasburg ultimately decides to accept the renegotiated terms of his contract, I see it difficult that a court will enforce the new terms over the original ones given that career-ending injuries in sports are a reasonable possibility and Strasburg appears to get nothing of additional value on the offered terms. Though it is highly dependent on the exact terms of his current contract compared to the hypothetical renegotiated contract.
If both sides AGREE to a new contract, the original one is no longer valid. That's the whole point of renegotiating a contract. There would be nothing for a court to enforce because the original is no longer valid. All a court would look at is the current, valid contract.
@@erikprimitivo5071 Have you ever heard of verifying sources and information? Isaac doesn’t believe all Trevor’s victims yet he is inferring why an entire franchise is doing what it’s doing with Strasberg? C’mon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
When Andrew Luck retired due to too many concussions, he also forfeited the remainder of the salary/bonus money. I get that Stras didn't want to retire, but there is something off about collecting 35 million a year to do nothing. Not to mention he's taking a 40 man spot, and that means someone is on the bubble for the Rule 5. Imagine having a quality guy you're going to lose to Rule 5 but you can't add him to the roster because of a dead spot....
@@EICHist im just saying you expect millionaire athletes to give billionaires money back but when do billionaires give it back to fans? Never. When someone buys season tickets and the team sucks no refund. When ratings suck no refund for the TV companies. Hell when COVID hit these billionaires didn't even refund ticket money for months to fans even though games were cancelled. That's what scumbags they are. People couldn't even pay their bills and these scumbags dragged their feet on refunds. Never forget that. I hope SS doesn't give them back even one cent. The Nats were dumb enough to give him a 7 year contract when no insurance company would even insure him. That's how risky the deal was. He didn't get hurt on purpose. Now it would be nice if he gave a bunch of money to good charities. But to give it back to some scumbag owner? Nope f that . They made a terrible gamble and it didn't work out for them. Too bad.
It’s not awkward, it’s bullying. Just like Broncos and Russel Wilson. Not sure how you can partially side with the team. Didn’t Washington try to humiliate him after things blew up by trying to frame Strassburg as being greedy? Something along the lines you are retired so you no longer get paid.
@@kenw2225 I believe that is the case however what is at issue is the deferred money promised by that contract. As I understand it. Either way, Washington knows they owe him money because of the contract otherwise they wouldn’t have asked to renegotiate it before the “retirement “.
@@danm6695the issue is, he didn’t officially sign the paperwork to retire. So he wants to get paid 105 million over the next 3 years to do…NOTHING. The very least he could do is show up for spring training and be in the clubhouse for the guys
If it was me, I would defer the remainder over the course of like 20 years since it would include roughly 5% interest. He is getting an additional $4M in interest by deferring $80M from 2027 to 2029. Or give him whatever percentage of ownership that $80M will buy. Franchise values continue to go up so it would worth way more when he decides to sell his stake.
@redskinsfan0690 not arguing that but with only 55 innings pitched in the post-season to call him one of the greatest post-season pitchers ever is a stretch
Just a thought.. but wouldn’t the players union step in if something was wrong?? Like if there was malice on the Nationals? If Strasburg chooses to not “go to work” discipline should be expected. I get reprimanded for failing my work expectations. Now this is a bit different, he’s trying to retire.. take a LOA until he is officially retired. The Nats aren’t wrong for expecting something from him.
If I'm paying you 35 million, at the very least you're gonna be my personal waiter for the season. That means my box better be stock with snacks and cold beverages. You'll address everyone as sir and miss. Wear a suit too, remember you're retired from baseball, but not from me owning you.
The Nats did this to themselves, and Strasburg is absolutely a legend to their franchise. I def believe there is more going on behind the scenes, cause he's clearly showing up to get that check since they haven't worked it all out yet.
There are a lot of nuances to how the business side of baseball is run. Contract deferrals are much more common than many people think. It is awkward for outsiders, but this may be normal for insiders. I wouldn't think too much about this as it is just a part of the game that no one really watches. Let the lawyers do their thing in the background and shadows and just enjoy the game as it is played on the field.
Oh. Odd. So he's retired but on the 40 man roster huh. Odd. And somehow that ain't the most awkward thing to come out this situation. Weird situation Nationals fans better hope it doesn't get worse
The Nationals are a weird organization for asking, but Strasburg would be a weird guy for not doing it. The organization took care of you financially and medically, so if they have some strange ask, then just do it. They probably just want him to show a token commitment/willingness before they spend the rest of time honoring him as a legend.
The way they handle him i wonder if that plqys in some of this injury like 3 years the shut him down pitching wise i wonder if that has any thing to do with it
I thought if you retire you don't get the "guaranteed" money from the contract you signed for the years you decided not to play or weren't able to play?
I get that the Nats want to get something for that contract but you can’t force someone to mentor people. Mentorship has to come from someone who wants to pass that down and knows how do to do it
The truth is clear: take both sides. Strasberg has the right to not restructure his contract. The Nationals, who are paying a NOT insignificant salary, have 100% right to demand whatever they want for that money. They can make him assistant coach and it would be 100% fair. Contracts are contracts, OR THEY’RE NOT.
The Lerners won their title with The Nationals in 2019. Since then, The Lerners have put *a team * on the field to collect the proceeds. The customer service experience at Nationals Park is abysmal. I went on a Friday Night in may last year. The park was understaffed. Imagine being staffed for a crowd of 15k and 35k shows up. It took 5 inning in line to wait for a drink. No vendors in the stands and ordering by app is broken. Ted Lerner was the Nats lead owner. He died about a year ago at 97. Son Mark Lerner is 70 and lost a leg to Cancer about 8 years ago. None of the younger Lerners have expressed an interest to run The Nationals day to day. The Orioles sold last month for $1.725 Billion. You can bet that The Lerners think that they can get much more for The Nationals. The Lerners will run The Natiionals on the cheap and do things like play hardball and alienate Strasburg. I will side with him.
Damn, this is awkward. I had no idea this was going on until this video. I guess since he's still being paid, he should do something. I never knew players still got paid after retirement in the middle of a contract. It's a bad look for the Nats and since Strasburg cannot pitch physically, what exactly is going to be enough for the Nats to say, "Okay, you've fulfilled your duties to get your $35 million."? It could be literally anything.
What’s rediculous is that strasburg didn’t ask to be hurt. Dude pitched his butt off. Got hurt. Injury’s are part of the sport. And for the nationals they knew he had a history of injuries when they signed him to the contract. At this point the nats should just give him the money owed and move on.
I'm reluctantly on the nats side on this one... Contracts swing both ways... He owes the nats a few more seasons so it's not unreasonable for the team to agree that we don't want you to pitch anymore but we expect every possible service we can get out of the deal... If that means he has to show up to camp then so be it... They can't make him do any mentoring I'm sure, but it's a reasonable request given the circumstances... And if he doesn't want to be contractually obligated to show up to camp, I'm sure the nats would love to talk renegotiation lol
There's a common denominator to all this, look at the track record of one Dusty Baker & see all the Tommy John surgeries & ruined pitchers left in his wake. From the Giants, Cubs, Reds, Nats & we'll see about the Astros, he has ruined pitchers careers & arms all along the way. The man had no clue how to handle a pitching staff & young arms.
Not gonna lie, I love Strasburg, but I'm kinda with the Nationals on this one if this is the case. That deal only works if both sides are holding up their end, and Strasburg isn't pitching and hasn't pitched. There have been several players in history that gave up money and retired because they knew they couldn't help the team... and that Strasburg money is a lot. He isn't even eating innings each year in the rotation while young arms develop. Making him show up to camp is petty, but Strasburg can't really argue that. I don't know the full injury report as I've lost track of it... it's one thing if he is still trying to pitch, but if there is no way he's coming back and he knows it, there is no way he shouldn't consider restructuring the contract and taking deferred money. Also, incredibly dumb of the Nats to not take insurance money for him if that's the case though. He is one of those highly effective pitchers that is super injury prone... I wouldn't have extended him WITHOUT an insurance policy.
The Orioles didn’t ask Albert Bell to be a hidden coach for the last three years. They owed him money. This is just something that happens in baseball. Some guys do a good job staying with the team even when they’re injured like Adam Wainwright and will help younger players Along and other guys just aren’t that way.
I mean he has severe nerve damage and may never be able to throw a baseball again. Sure no team wants to touch him but surely he can play first base for the A’s
It’s the Nats fault here. They should’ve bought an insurance policy on Strasburg, like the Mets did with David Wright and Rangers with Prince Fielder. Strasburg has pretty much sacrificed his body for all his attempts to comeback and play across the last couple years, and doesn’t even have the physical ability to throw a ball, let alone simulate a windup. And as per the terms of his contract, he has every right to sit on the IL and get paid as a member of the 40. Nats fucked up not insuring the contract and Strasburg has every right to refuse to restructure his contract given his sacrifice and every right to refuse to appear for spring training given his poor physical condition and injury.
I can see the team's point of view here. The honorable thing for Strasburg to do is retire take a retirement settlement, and give the team financial relief. He's too greedy to do that, so the team is making him at least make a token gesture at earning his salary since he refuses to retire. It's a little petty on the team's part, but he's not acting in good faith.
Strasburg is reputed to be really, really lazy. His nickname at San Diego State was 'Slothburg'. He might actually choose to renegotiate rather than just show up.
If they want him to be a coach, hire him as a coach. Teams do that to players all the time. Half the 1B coaches in the league were active players in the last decade
I don’t see this from Strasburg’s point of view at all. He is obligated by the contract HE SIGNED to show up to actually work, even if he cannot pitch. He’s perfectly willing to retire if he wants and have nothing to do with the Nats, but he shouldn’t expect the team to continue to shell out an insane $35 million a year for him to not even fulfill the most basic terms of his contract. I mean, nobody gets to have it both ways, and it sounds like that’s what Strasburg wants, as you portray it? To both get paid for pitching 200 innings a year and not even make an effort to get to that level of health or even be on the team? That’s not how this works. Guys get paid when they’re not pitching when they’re actively trying to return to playing health, they don’t get paid for not pitching after they’ve retired and decided they will never throw another pitch.
I mean, it seems insane...but we don't know what the cost was on the policy and if an insurance company would even offer one. Looking at his injury history, you'd imagine the rate on the policy would be extraordinary.
@@ez123489The Insurance kicks in to pay the contract. The terms can differ, but that's the gist. It's like having car insurance that pays for your car if you get in an accident.
@@ez123489 Baseball contracts are fully guaranteed so nothing changes for the player unless they agree to any. For the policies we're talking: "Baseball contracts are guaranteed against injuries, and if a player is hurt and unable to perform, they are owed their full guaranteed salary. The insurance company will reimburse the team for the time missed by the player. Most insurance policies cover between 50-80% of the total contract value, with premiums as high as 10% of the contract's annual value. The policies generally run for no more than three years and are renewable with a physical. High risk activities often cancel the policy, such as parachuting, travel to a war zone, or mountaineering." Like @johnr42 said though, with Strasburg's history and risk of injury, the team may not have been able to take out a policy on his contract or the premiums have been cost prohibitive.
Crazy the career trajectories of the big 3 from the Nationals WS win. Strasburg: retired, team won't let him and thinks he should sit on the bench for whatever reason, waste of a 40 man spot Rendon: yikes. Just yikes. Corbin: Literal dog****
nothing sad about anything happening to hundred millionaires. nobody deserve millions of dollars playing a game. athletes are just athletes. not world changing people.
@mspionage1743 Like most of the people in this thread, they are salty about how much these guys make. Petty resentment because "its just a game" and they're stuck making 55k working a real job 😢
One thing that hurts the Nats payroll that alot of people over look is their tv deal with MASN. MASN is owned by the Orioles and the Nats only make 25% of the revenue they should make from their local tv deal. Thats ALOT of money not going to them that could increase their payroll like crazy. Hopefully the new Orioles owner (who was rumored to be a partner in buying the Nats off the Lerners) lets the Nats either off the hook with MASN, or gives them the slice of the pie that they are owed!
It’s on the league bro. It’s gone on long enough. They wanted to appease that jag off in Baltimore when he didn’t want a team moving into “his market.” It’s whatever though. The o’s can’t even win a playoff series and the Nationals won the World Series in ‘19
@@Ardyrezv but my point is with new ownership for Baltimore, that might make the league and MASN more willing to let the Nats do their own thing. Whether it’s start their own channel or go to Monumental (which I think is most likely)
@@jondelmore3163 if the league let them they would’ve been gone years ago. The league doesn’t care. The lerners are one of the least influential owners and until recently Angelos was much more influential. Winning the World Series probably hurt Washington in the Masn split negotiations
@@Ardyrezv I disagree with that. They got a brand new stadium and a lease with the city. The league and the city wouldn’t have let them move anywhere. Lerners aren’t the best owners, but they’re far from the worst. Angelo’s and Jeffrey Loria take that spot along with Angels owner.
@@jondelmore3163 I meant tv deals not moving out of Washington. Not saying the lerners are the “worst” but are by far one of the least influential. Been soft trying to sell the team for 5-6 years now
This is the problem that MLB is going to face a lot in the future . To many guys in there late 20’s early 30’s getting 14 year $350 million+ contracts . Since guys make garbage until they are 26-28 they look to cash in and they don’t produce anywhere close to there primes . Just wait a few years until Judge , Ohtani , machado , bogarts , Cole , trout, betts , etc are all gonna be absolute albatross on there teams . MLB should have a rule where you can pay a guy whatever you want but can’t go past a certain number of years if they are over 26-28 . Imagine if strasberg got the same money over 5 years rather than 7 .
I grew up with him. He was home-schooled and didn't have friends. When he was on my team, he talked if you initiated, but he wouldn't initiate anything. He was always quiet.
It sounds like the Nationals are mad that Strasberg won’t take a pay cut so they’re going to make him stay with the team for the last few years of the contract. Strasberg is already owed $80 million in deferred money. Why would he be willing to go beyond that? It’s a petty move by Washington as Strasberg would still be pitching if he didn’t have a career ending injury. It’s their own fault for not insuring a contract of that size. Strasberg could counter their pettiness by becoming a distraction and then the Nats could fine him and so forth and so on. With the players having such a good union, Washington will only be able to fine him so much. If they keep going, it’s going to be black eye for the franchise.
If you retire mid contract wouldn't that be acknowledging a forfeiture of the rest of the money given that you're breaking the terms? Otherwise wouldn't all players get their huge deal and just retire?
Cant you just cut him? You'd still pay the salary and open that last spot on the roster. Maybe hed negotiate too if hes away from the franchise for a while.
This is what the Cleveland Browns will be facing with Deshaun Watson in a few months. The big difference is that Watson did a whole lot of nothing compared to Joe Flacco.
He should be willing to defer at least a little. Even if just 15-20% of what is left. They could provide value. If not, then provide value as a mentor . He can pick which way he wants to provide value
Nats need to suck it up my god, just pay him out of his contract and get him off the books, this is so lame. Strasburg wasn't signed to mentor players, he was signed to pitch
is this more awkward than anthony rendon who is ‘forced’ to go back to the sport he hates while being around teammates who heard him say that and collecting a paycheck of 38.6M a year just to sit out 120 out of 162 games ?
Rendon better play hard for Ron Washington , don’t think he’s gonna put up with the BS , but this Stras situation is more awkward by far !
I hope Rendon has a rebound year
That 2019 nationals team is crazy. Trea Turner is the only decent one. Soto is an egomaniac. Rendon and Strasburg have lost all motivation to play after signing their contracts
@@jdinspires16 At some point, Trae Turner will go from a .300 hitting shortstop to a .280 hitting secondbaseman (with less speed on the bases too). I don't think it'll look like a good contract by then.
@@rustyshackleford6637the situation you described happens to 95 out of 100 players as they age
They Nationals wouldn't be wrong at all to fine him for not showing up. Until he officially retires he's an employee of the organization. Being there to mentor players is not a big ask for $35M.
Forcing someone to be a mentor would not make for good mentoring.
Exactly. If they’re forced to pay him, they have every right to demand value out of him. If he can’t do that pitching, then you better think of something else you can do to help out.
I’d make him show up early and clean sunflower seeds out the stadium. 35m a year, that’s insane
Fine? If Strasburg is on the roster and refuses to show up, he's in breach of contract and the Nationals could have the contract nullified. That's quite a fine.
He's not legally required to become a coach! Plenty of players who got hurt and couldnt play anymore didnt have to report to Spring Training. Prince Fielder, David Wright, Chris Davis, etc. YET The Nationals are being petty....because they want SS to defer even more money than he already has (which he has refused to do). The Nats are being petty.
So, you're happy that the owners make all the profits? You sound like a typical Republican. @@kevinandrewsphoto
Imagine if the Nats were able to keep Rendon too. Strasburg, Corbin, Rendon. They would probably never spend money again 😂
Oh jeez 😭😭
They told him to show up to work 😂
Why wouldn't they? He's still a great guy to have around the clubhouse.
I agree on this, I'm sure there's been some really bad arguments in the back which is why stras doesnt want to go, but why not be a pitching coach for 35 million.. His injury is handcuffing the franchise. How does he not know that? Least you can do is help guys like Gray and Gore.
When the principal forces you to show up just for study hall…
One of the most petted professionals to ever play in MLB is being asked to show up for work when he's being paid millions to do so? The nerve!
well normally you'd just pay out a player to get their contracts off the books though, Nats are just being cheap
Imagine not insuring a 245 million dollar contract to a pitcher with an extensive injury history 😁
Its poss that because of his extensive injury history he was uninsurable at any rate that wasn't prohibitive
@@bucksdiaryfan That's EXACTLY what happened. This is widely reported.
that's what i figured. its becoming a strange story@@bobhilton2643
it's called a dead money contract....you're going to be seeing a lot more of these
A LOT MORE
Padres have 2-3
@@markhilsen2700 pretty sure its just Hosmer
If he's filed for retirement, how can they still put him on the 40?
He almost certainly hasn't filed. If he did, he wouldn't get paid.
Yeah. That's the issue. He can't play but he won't officially retire because then he won't get paid. He wants them to continue to pay him but allow him to not attempt to fulfill his contract stipulations since he can't pitch anyway. They want him to agree to take less money for the good of the club because even he knows the contract is bad for the team. From his perspective he gave his right arm to that organization and they need to pay him. The Nats are hoping that he if they force him to keep showing up he will eventually get sick of it and agree to take a pay cut since he won't play anyway. I have an idea. Why not try and see if he can learn to pitch with his left arm? If they gotta pay him over $100M anyway they might as well exercise every possible option. It probably won't work but it seemed to work great for Billy Wagner. Some people don't realize it but Wagner is right handed. He taught himself how to pitch left handed and next year he will likely get elected to the Hall of Fame. I would probably just pay Stras and let him retire but there is an argument out there that says if he wants all that money as the highest paid player on the team he needs to put a serious effort into trying *every single thing* he can to help the team. If he never tries to pitch lefty no one will ever know if he can. Or maybe he can complete the last 3 years of his contract as a coach of some sort? What's wrong with trying every single thing you possibly can to help the team while they are paying you tons of money to help the team anyway? Just because he can't be a right-handed pitcher anymore doesn't mean he can't help the team. There are plenty of jobs on the Nationals that don't involve pitching with your right hand at all. Why not give it a shot?
@@matthew01234 Okay that was my misunderstanding. I thought they were still bound to his contract even if he retired officially.
@@TheSolidSnakeOil It's actually not as unheard of as some people portray for a major league player to retire and give his salary back to the team because he knows he won't help. The Seattle Mariners had a pitcher named Gil Meche. He was coming off a terrible season with them and was owed $14M the following year. He just retired and let them keep the money so they could use it to sign players that would actually help the team. The crazy thing is that Meche was actually in much better shape than Strasburg. He wasn't good anymore but at least he could still physically pitch. He didn't want his salary to hurt the team though so he retired and gave up his salary in his final effort to help the Mariners win. Meche's contract also wasn't going to hurt the Mariners nearly as much Strasburg's contract is going to hurt the Nationals. So Gil Meche retired and gave up his contract because he knew it would help the team. I'm sure the Nationals are hoping that sometime over the next few years Strasburg decides to do the same thing.
@@ronaldwayne7092, he'd get a retirement settlement, which would no doubt be substantially less than the entire contract value. But he'd still get paid. Obviously, it's in his best interests to hold off on official retirement as long as possible.
Might be Tony Gwynn's last active link to the league. Its hard to watch. I met Tony, and he gave me tickets to watch Strasburg pitch. He was throwing 98 in the 8th inning one night at SDSU. He had that Kobe/Lebron type hype. Its sad to see someone so accomplished be perceived as so UNaccomplished.
Expectations and injuries are just that. He has made more than 99% of mlb players, and had more talent than 99% of mlb pitchers. To make it, dominate, and be THAT GUY for even 3 years is an accomplishment 99.99% of us want to be. Thank you Stephen Strasburg, no matter where your journey goes.
You read my mind brotha
Ty France of the Seattle Mariners was coached by Tony at SDSU, if you need someone to root for!
I have no sympathy for the team in regards to the contract, they agreed to it and they live with the outcome if he doesn't want to restructure it. At the same time, they're paying him $35m, they're completely entitled to make Strasberg travel with the team, attend all 162 games, etc for 4 more years. If he doesn't like it, he can file for retirement and forfeit his remaining contract.
Man I hate when when my boss tells me I actually need to work
If hes not renegotiating the contract, the contract says hes a part of the team. He really should show up.
The very LEAST thing he could do is come and mentor the young pitchers. I don't give a rats ass if he's shy, he's taking $35 million a year from the gNats. He's certainly not holding up his end of the bargain. This is why guaranteed contracts are ridiculous
players arent paid contracts to be mentors off the field. he was paid to be on the field and cant play so has no reason to be at the team
Its good to give back, to the game that made you rich.
well, thats obviously not the very least...
It wasn't his choice to not pitch. His body gave up in him. That's part of the risk the Nats took in signing him
he signed that contract to get paid that amount to PITCH. Having to retire early (which wasn't his choice, by the way) was not in his mind. He was expecting to get paid that for doing his job as a pitcher and the Nats aren't stupid. It's not like they weren't aware that a player can just have a tragic retirement out of nowhere but that's the risk EVERY team takes when signing players to any contract. No one's fault, really but to say he needs to give back to the team is a bit of a stretch 😂 last thing i would want on my team is a dude that doesn't even wanna be there mentoring the younger guys. I'd rather have someone with a genuine interest for it.
As a Nats fan, these are all true and valid points. Just one minor correction: it's Cade Cavalli, not Cole
Very rare that I side with the organization over the player, but in this case i have to. If he's not going to officially retire and leave the money on the table, he needs to show up. Not saying he has to retire, or even that he should retire for the good of the team. Both sides agreed to the contract, so he has absolutely earned that money. But you still gotta show up for work. Mentor young guys. Be with the team in the dugout/bullpen. Fulfill your end of the contract if you're not going to officially retire. Otherwise you're just like a mafia thug in the Sopranos, getting paid for no work/no show contractor jobs.
I agree. This is like 1/100 scenario i side with ownership
He is retired though so the team owes him money is their end of the contract
@@thejuansshow6410He literally isn’t retired. If he officially retired he wouldn’t get any of the money left on his contract
@@rich7787 then why would he announce or make it seem like he is and not say he was going to take time off and come back in some capacity for the team, the nationals are basically calling him out plus the contract is guaranteed with no insurance which means they must pay him even if he doesn't play.
it's on the nationals honestly, he can work for them behind the scenes like an advisory role but it's on him and the team trying to force him to change its going to backfire on the team now because he's not going to do it forced.
They are just asking him to show up to spring training for a few weeks. How hard is that?
@@elcidcampeador9629 yeah but how many other people retire and teams eat their contracts and not have anything to do with those guys. They could’ve come to an agreement privately now the guy feels forced to do it so it’s a weird situation instead of telling him to take time off for himself then come back to the team in a advisory role or coach of some sort but yet again the team offered the contract he signed so they have to pay him regardless now legally they can’t force him to work for the team guaranteed contract is a guaranteed contract if anything he can sue them for even more money if they don’t leave him alone or try something crazy.
@@thejuansshow6410Maybe we can set up a go fund me to help Strasburg through this hard time.
@@thejuansshow6410 Hahah. Funny. His contract is to be employeed by the team. Not to specifically pitch for the team. They CAN expect him to do other things. And the video is literally about them offering him a restructured contract so he could retire now and walk away. He said no, so if he retired he loses the money. Now, I don't blame him wanting the money. The Nationals signed the contract and they have to pay. UNTIL he doesn't report (because since he didn't retire the team is required to either DFA him or keep him on the 40-man in the off season) at which point they can place him on the restricted list. Then they don't have to pay him until he shows up and reports to the facility. And if they tell him what they want him to do and he refuses they don't have to take him off the restricted list. Sure, he would file a grievence with the league, but if what they are asking isn't unreasonable then he will lose and have to report and do so to be paid.
Both sides need to just sit down and talk it out to come to a resolution. And if he doesn't want anything to do with the team anymore he is going to have to make concessions to make that happen.
It is sad Strasburg's career ended up at this, but he has choices to make for his own mental health and his contract will force him to either do things he is not fully comfortable doing (because of being shy/introverted) or except monetary concessions to avoid them.
And he can't sue over a contract covered by the collective bargaining agreement. He has to file a greivence and at best appeal to an abritration panel. Rock and a hard place for him.
@@davidpurrett7023 damn I didn’t know the full extent to be honest tough situation, so basically if he denies what they ask can the settle with him like buy him out of the contract or no
can you imagine if the NFL had fully guaranteed contracts as the norm like the MLB?
The Nationals must think Stephen is Shohei Ohtani. Yo Steph let’s restructure that contract! Don’t be SHY 🙈
I just read chipper Jones book ballplayer. Had this happen to him he probably would’ve insisted they only pay him half the contract and possibly only a quarter of the contract. That man always put the Braves organization first. Would free up money so that they could go out and sign good ball players. Stephen Strasburg cares nothing about the nationals.
Saying he doesn't care is insanity, he spent his entire career with the nats, if he didn't care he would have entered free agency at the earliest time and left the team.
Why not Bobby Bonilla that contract into a sort of structured "annuity" ? I would include interest, however. He's already set for life and it frees up money to sign guys.
That's exactly what they are trying to do. Strass has not agreed as yet
That's the least he could do for the team that's paying him $35 million.
They paid him $35M to pitch, not be a coach. Don't get confused. Nats owners are extremely rich don't cry any tears for them 😂
@@chris42069and so is Stephen. No one is crying for him either.
PREACH. Injuries dont equal penalties. Something you will understand later in life.
Living in the weirdest of times when thousnadaires are literally defending billionaires. Its not about us putting a cape on for the millionaires either. Fair is fair. Why do we have to explain these things lmao.
We dont even know who tf the nats owners are...Its not their money.
Let me stop hes got 54 likes its not him, its us lmao@@chris42069
If the Nats actually gave a damn about playing competitive baseball, they probably wouldn't be using a 40 man spot on a guy that physically can't play. They're stunting another player's potential career with them over pettiness. He got them over the hump, give him what he's due and move on.
They aren't stunting anyone. All leaving someone off the 40 man does is give another team a chance to take him in the rule 5 draft
He can't play but he won't officially retire because then he won't get paid. He wants them to continue to pay him but allow him to not attempt to fulfill his contract stipulations since he can't pitch anyway. They want him to agree to take less money for the good of the club because even he knows the contract is bad for the team. From his perspective he gave his right arm to that organization and they need to pay him. The Nats are hoping that he if they force him to keep showing up he will eventually get sick of it and agree to take a pay cut since he won't play anyway. I have an idea. Why not try and see if he can learn to pitch with his left arm? If they gotta pay him over $100M anyway they might as well exercise every possible option. It probably won't work but it seemed to work great for Billy Wagner. Some people don't realize it but Wagner is right handed. He taught himself how to pitch left handed and next year he will likely get elected to the Hall of Fame. I would probably just pay Stras and let him retire but there is an argument out there that says if he wants all that money as the highest paid player on the team he needs to put a serious effort into trying *every single thing* he can to help the team. If he never tries to pitch lefty no one will ever know if he can. Or maybe he can complete the last 3 years of his contract as a coach of some sort? What's wrong with trying every single thing you possibly can to help the team while they are paying you tons of money to help the team anyway? Just because he can't be a right-handed pitcher anymore doesn't mean he can't help the team. There are plenty of jobs on the Nationals that don't involve pitching with your right hand at all. Why not give it a shot?
Wow that sucks lol. I'm glad that not my team (right now)
He isn’t retired. If he was, the Nationals wouldn’t have to pay him. So that isn’t going to happen. Not taking insurance on the contract as simply idiocy. Not the players fault. Indeed. Always as hell. Player still under contract. Therefore at the whim of his employer.
If you were the Nats, and the best insurance you could get for a 245M contract was a premium for another 150M, would you take it?
@@ohger1 Good point. What a mess.
@@chrisweidner4768 I said back then the Nats were nuts to pay him that kind of money with his history. I'm surprised the Yankees didn't top that contract!
MLB should have just amended the rules to allow him to get paid and it not count against the payroll, it is honestly ridiculous at this point
there is a salary cap in the form of a luxury tax. people paid to play dont deserve being paid not playing@@RinslerRR
@@RinslerRRthe Nats loved to defer money aren't they still paying Scherzer?
I watch you vids everyday I even rewatch them
Elite supporter. Thank you!!!
I don’t know if the Patrick Corbin contract is a disaster. He added much needed pitching depth in the 2019 season and helped the organization win its first World Series.
He was the winning pitcher of game 7 of the World Series lol
Also there’s nothing in the contract that says if you get hurt and can’t play you have to still come for the remaining time. No contract ever would put that in no player would accept it and sign that.
If you're a hurt player under contract, you are still expected to show up, work with the team doctors to rehab, etc. Teams will often allow players out of this, especially in the case of foreign players that want to work with doctors in their home country for example but they don't have to allow this. If the player can't play anymore, his options are to retire, lose the money they would have paid him but no longer be under team control or to show up. If Strassburg doesn't show up, they could fine him for it.
I'd show up with a nintendo switch and throw headphones on.
Look, the nats ownership wants to cut his contract and differ it out for more years to try and save as much money before a sale. For stras, find some happy place before this gets more ugly and the organization fractures a relationship that is between him and the fans.
the stalking POV goes crazy but great vid man!
Wait what haha
@@iTalkStudios the handheld gives stalker vibes idk haha, can you make a video on the yankees ws drought and the prospects of a playoff series with the yanks?
I'm still confused haha what do u mean handheld?
@@iTalkStudioshe’s talking about the clips hat you recorded on your phone when you went to the facility
@@iTalkStudios like the phone pov at the beginning of the video
Even if Strasburg ultimately decides to accept the renegotiated terms of his contract, I see it difficult that a court will enforce the new terms over the original ones given that career-ending injuries in sports are a reasonable possibility and Strasburg appears to get nothing of additional value on the offered terms. Though it is highly dependent on the exact terms of his current contract compared to the hypothetical renegotiated contract.
If both sides AGREE to a new contract, the original one is no longer valid. That's the whole point of renegotiating a contract. There would be nothing for a court to enforce because the original is no longer valid. All a court would look at is the current, valid contract.
@@wingracer1614 his agent wont let him re negotiate the contract
@@ektran4205 1. That has nothing to do with the courts
2. Agents work for the player, not the other way around.
Yo Isaac, how do you know why the Nats are doing this? Did you interview someone from the organization?
Ever hear of inferencing using context clues?
@@erikprimitivo5071 Have you ever heard of verifying sources and information? Isaac doesn’t believe all Trevor’s victims yet he is inferring why an entire franchise is doing what it’s doing with Strasberg? C’mon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@jdsthirdYou sound like you might be one of Bauer's "victims" 😂
@@darksu6947 Sounds like you might be a bully and one of Trevor’s accomplices. 🤔
@@jdsthird Believe all sandwich makers!
When Andrew Luck retired due to too many concussions, he also forfeited the remainder of the salary/bonus money. I get that Stras didn't want to retire, but there is something off about collecting 35 million a year to do nothing. Not to mention he's taking a 40 man spot, and that means someone is on the bubble for the Rule 5. Imagine having a quality guy you're going to lose to Rule 5 but you can't add him to the roster because of a dead spot....
imagine billionaire owners giving fans money back when the team stinks or giving tv stations money back when the rating stinks. yea not gonna happen.
@@EICHist im just saying you expect millionaire athletes to give billionaires money back but when do billionaires give it back to fans? Never.
When someone buys season tickets and the team sucks no refund.
When ratings suck no refund for the TV companies.
Hell when COVID hit these billionaires didn't even refund ticket money for months to fans even though games were cancelled. That's what scumbags they are.
People couldn't even pay their bills and these scumbags dragged their feet on refunds. Never forget that. I hope SS doesn't give them back even one cent.
The Nats were dumb enough to give him a 7 year contract when no insurance company would even insure him. That's how risky the deal was.
He didn't get hurt on purpose.
Now it would be nice if he gave a bunch of money to good charities. But to give it back to some scumbag owner? Nope f that . They made a terrible gamble and it didn't work out for them. Too bad.
Stras should give some of the money back if he doesn’t plan to play at all.
They agreed to a contract where he was expected to pitch for them. I don't know why they have to pay him if he's retired
Helped them win a WS- sorry Nats, its the cost of doing business.
It’s not awkward, it’s bullying. Just like Broncos and Russel Wilson. Not sure how you can partially side with the team. Didn’t Washington try to humiliate him after things blew up by trying to frame Strassburg as being greedy? Something along the lines you are retired so you no longer get paid.
Isn't the contract voided if you retire during the life of it?
@@kenw2225 I believe that is the case however what is at issue is the deferred money promised by that contract. As I understand it. Either way, Washington knows they owe him money because of the contract otherwise they wouldn’t have asked to renegotiate it before the “retirement “.
@@danm6695 The contract isn't differed, they want him to sign a new deal making the money deferred. It's the Nats that want to change the deal
@@danm6695the issue is, he didn’t officially sign the paperwork to retire. So he wants to get paid 105 million over the next 3 years to do…NOTHING. The very least he could do is show up for spring training and be in the clubhouse for the guys
If it was me, I would defer the remainder over the course of like 20 years since it would include roughly 5% interest. He is getting an additional $4M in interest by deferring $80M from 2027 to 2029.
Or give him whatever percentage of ownership that $80M will buy. Franchise values continue to go up so it would worth way more when he decides to sell his stake.
interest rate doesn't always compensate what one loses due to inflations, so he could stand to lose a lot of money because of the deferment
When he was right, he was nie unhittable . They got a WS with him and 13 years of service .
I think he’s actually one of the best postseason pitchers ever. Also I think the first #1 overall pick to win World Series mvp
@@Ardyrezv I don't think he has enough innings logged to be in that conversation, but he was unhittable in their WS run
@@jason916 he has very good postseason numbers for games played
@redskinsfan0690 not arguing that but with only 55 innings pitched in the post-season to call him one of the greatest post-season pitchers ever is a stretch
@@jason916 fair enough
Just a thought.. but wouldn’t the players union step in if something was wrong?? Like if there was malice on the Nationals?
If Strasburg chooses to not “go to work” discipline should be expected. I get reprimanded for failing my work expectations. Now this is a bit different, he’s trying to retire.. take a LOA until he is officially retired. The Nats aren’t wrong for expecting something from him.
I love your videos keep it up
Thank you!
If I'm paying you 35 million, at the very least you're gonna be my personal waiter for the season. That means my box better be stock with snacks and cold beverages. You'll address everyone as sir and miss. Wear a suit too, remember you're retired from baseball, but not from me owning you.
My back is sore. Get to massaging boy
@@SavingSoulsMinistries Oh yeah. Stephen, have you ever made love to another man?
The Nats did this to themselves, and Strasburg is absolutely a legend to their franchise. I def believe there is more going on behind the scenes, cause he's clearly showing up to get that check since they haven't worked it all out yet.
Wasnt it they couldn’t put insurance on it?
There are a lot of nuances to how the business side of baseball is run. Contract deferrals are much more common than many people think. It is awkward for outsiders, but this may be normal for insiders. I wouldn't think too much about this as it is just a part of the game that no one really watches. Let the lawyers do their thing in the background and shadows and just enjoy the game as it is played on the field.
Oh. Odd. So he's retired but on the 40 man roster huh. Odd. And somehow that ain't the most awkward thing to come out this situation. Weird situation Nationals fans better hope it doesn't get worse
He has NOT officially retired.
He is playing 1st base
He’s getting paid 35 mil to just show up and do nothing. He needs to get his butt down there
The Nationals are a weird organization for asking, but Strasburg would be a weird guy for not doing it. The organization took care of you financially and medically, so if they have some strange ask, then just do it. They probably just want him to show a token commitment/willingness before they spend the rest of time honoring him as a legend.
The way they handle him i wonder if that plqys in some of this injury like 3 years the shut him down pitching wise i wonder if that has any thing to do with it
I thought if you retire you don't get the "guaranteed" money from the contract you signed for the years you decided not to play or weren't able to play?
Is this basically a Chet Stedman origin story?? Is he gonna mentor a 13 year old with a ROCKET arm??
I get that the Nats want to get something for that contract but you can’t force someone to mentor people. Mentorship has to come from someone who wants to pass that down and knows how do to do it
That's fine, but they can make him attend every game whether he wants to or not.
The truth is clear: take both sides. Strasberg has the right to not restructure his contract. The Nationals, who are paying a NOT insignificant salary, have 100% right to demand whatever they want for that money. They can make him assistant coach and it would be 100% fair. Contracts are contracts, OR THEY’RE NOT.
The Lerners won their title with The Nationals in 2019. Since then, The Lerners have put *a team * on the field to collect the proceeds.
The customer service experience at Nationals Park is abysmal. I went on a Friday Night in may last year. The park was understaffed. Imagine being staffed for a crowd of 15k and 35k shows up. It took 5 inning in line to wait for a drink. No vendors in the stands and ordering by app is broken.
Ted Lerner was the Nats lead owner. He died about a year ago at 97. Son Mark Lerner is 70 and lost a leg to Cancer about 8 years ago. None of the younger Lerners have expressed an interest to run The Nationals day to day.
The Orioles sold last month for $1.725 Billion. You can bet that The Lerners think that they can get much more for The Nationals. The Lerners will run The Natiionals on the cheap and do things like play hardball and alienate Strasburg. I will side with him.
Damn, this is awkward. I had no idea this was going on until this video. I guess since he's still being paid, he should do something. I never knew players still got paid after retirement in the middle of a contract. It's a bad look for the Nats and since Strasburg cannot pitch physically, what exactly is going to be enough for the Nats to say, "Okay, you've fulfilled your duties to get your $35 million."? It could be literally anything.
What’s rediculous is that strasburg didn’t ask to be hurt. Dude pitched his butt off. Got hurt. Injury’s are part of the sport. And for the nationals they knew he had a history of injuries when they signed him to the contract. At this point the nats should just give him the money owed and move on.
I'm reluctantly on the nats side on this one... Contracts swing both ways... He owes the nats a few more seasons so it's not unreasonable for the team to agree that we don't want you to pitch anymore but we expect every possible service we can get out of the deal... If that means he has to show up to camp then so be it... They can't make him do any mentoring I'm sure, but it's a reasonable request given the circumstances... And if he doesn't want to be contractually obligated to show up to camp, I'm sure the nats would love to talk renegotiation lol
There's a common denominator to all this, look at the track record of one Dusty Baker & see all the Tommy John surgeries & ruined pitchers left in his wake. From the Giants, Cubs, Reds, Nats & we'll see about the Astros, he has ruined pitchers careers & arms all along the way. The man had no clue how to handle a pitching staff & young arms.
Not gonna lie, I love Strasburg, but I'm kinda with the Nationals on this one if this is the case. That deal only works if both sides are holding up their end, and Strasburg isn't pitching and hasn't pitched. There have been several players in history that gave up money and retired because they knew they couldn't help the team... and that Strasburg money is a lot. He isn't even eating innings each year in the rotation while young arms develop.
Making him show up to camp is petty, but Strasburg can't really argue that. I don't know the full injury report as I've lost track of it... it's one thing if he is still trying to pitch, but if there is no way he's coming back and he knows it, there is no way he shouldn't consider restructuring the contract and taking deferred money. Also, incredibly dumb of the Nats to not take insurance money for him if that's the case though. He is one of those highly effective pitchers that is super injury prone... I wouldn't have extended him WITHOUT an insurance policy.
Could really get used to this video every day thing
The Orioles didn’t ask Albert Bell to be a hidden coach for the last three years. They owed him money. This is just something that happens in baseball. Some guys do a good job staying with the team even when they’re injured like Adam Wainwright and will help younger players Along and other guys just aren’t that way.
I mean he has severe nerve damage and may never be able to throw a baseball again. Sure no team wants to touch him but surely he can play first base for the A’s
Wait, the Nationals won a World Series? When was that?
Wow, i have not been following baseball since McGuire/Sosa.
Does the same owner own the Wizards too ? They gave out so many bad contracts as well to their nba players
I can see both poc and understand both. It's a rough situation, but both are not wrong. It's just what you get yourself into when making contracts
And Snell wonders why he hasn't got that sweet deal yet
They said if we’re paying you, you’re not just going to sit on the couch. Get to work!
he already gave his arm to that club, they owe him that money and he owes them nothing. he literally gave it all already
Their only option is to "bauer" him, set him up for some false accusations so they can void his contract
It’s the Nats fault here. They should’ve bought an insurance policy on Strasburg, like the Mets did with David Wright and Rangers with Prince Fielder. Strasburg has pretty much sacrificed his body for all his attempts to comeback and play across the last couple years, and doesn’t even have the physical ability to throw a ball, let alone simulate a windup. And as per the terms of his contract, he has every right to sit on the IL and get paid as a member of the 40. Nats fucked up not insuring the contract and Strasburg has every right to refuse to restructure his contract given his sacrifice and every right to refuse to appear for spring training given his poor physical condition and injury.
I can see the team's point of view here. The honorable thing for Strasburg to do is retire take a retirement settlement, and give the team financial relief. He's too greedy to do that, so the team is making him at least make a token gesture at earning his salary since he refuses to retire. It's a little petty on the team's part, but he's not acting in good faith.
You've got to a team that wants nothing to to do with the player and a player who wants nothing to do with the team.
Strasburg is reputed to be really, really lazy. His nickname at San Diego State was 'Slothburg'. He might actually choose to renegotiate rather than just show up.
If they want him to be a coach, hire him as a coach. Teams do that to players all the time. Half the 1B coaches in the league were active players in the last decade
he needs to make them do a Bobby Bonilla type restructering of his deal and make 10x more money than what the deal is actually worth.
He should show, he agreed to show up when he signed.
I don’t see this from Strasburg’s point of view at all. He is obligated by the contract HE SIGNED to show up to actually work, even if he cannot pitch. He’s perfectly willing to retire if he wants and have nothing to do with the Nats, but he shouldn’t expect the team to continue to shell out an insane $35 million a year for him to not even fulfill the most basic terms of his contract.
I mean, nobody gets to have it both ways, and it sounds like that’s what Strasburg wants, as you portray it? To both get paid for pitching 200 innings a year and not even make an effort to get to that level of health or even be on the team? That’s not how this works. Guys get paid when they’re not pitching when they’re actively trying to return to playing health, they don’t get paid for not pitching after they’ve retired and decided they will never throw another pitch.
The insane decision to not get an insurance policy on this contract. LMAO
I mean, it seems insane...but we don't know what the cost was on the policy and if an insurance company would even offer one. Looking at his injury history, you'd imagine the rate on the policy would be extraordinary.
@@johnr42 good point.
Im ignorant to insurance on contracts, what would of changed had the team put insurance in the contract? Does the player still get paid?
@@ez123489The Insurance kicks in to pay the contract. The terms can differ, but that's the gist. It's like having car insurance that pays for your car if you get in an accident.
@@ez123489 Baseball contracts are fully guaranteed so nothing changes for the player unless they agree to any.
For the policies we're talking:
"Baseball contracts are guaranteed against injuries, and if a player is hurt and unable to perform, they are owed their full guaranteed salary.
The insurance company will reimburse the team for the time missed by the player.
Most insurance policies cover between 50-80% of the total contract value, with premiums as high as 10% of the contract's annual value.
The policies generally run for no more than three years and are renewable with a physical.
High risk activities often cancel the policy, such as parachuting, travel to a war zone, or mountaineering."
Like @johnr42 said though, with Strasburg's history and risk of injury, the team may not have been able to take out a policy on his contract or the premiums have been cost prohibitive.
Crazy the career trajectories of the big 3 from the Nationals WS win.
Strasburg: retired, team won't let him and thinks he should sit on the bench for whatever reason, waste of a 40 man spot
Rendon: yikes. Just yikes.
Corbin: Literal dog****
At least they all got rings. Imagine losing that game 7 lmfao
Its weird that their contracts are one sided. You get paid without working. I wish employee contracts are like that.
It's unfortunate that his career was sidelined by injuries so much as he had some seriously quality stuff.
nothing sad about anything happening to hundred millionaires. nobody deserve millions of dollars playing a game. athletes are just athletes. not world changing people.
@@nomercyinc6783 Thanks for the opinion that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote.
@mspionage1743 Like most of the people in this thread, they are salty about how much these guys make. Petty resentment because "its just a game" and they're stuck making 55k working a real job 😢
This is why you don’t pay people this insane amount of money for anything ever
One thing that hurts the Nats payroll that alot of people over look is their tv deal with MASN. MASN is owned by the Orioles and the Nats only make 25% of the revenue they should make from their local tv deal. Thats ALOT of money not going to them that could increase their payroll like crazy. Hopefully the new Orioles owner (who was rumored to be a partner in buying the Nats off the Lerners) lets the Nats either off the hook with MASN, or gives them the slice of the pie that they are owed!
It’s on the league bro. It’s gone on long enough. They wanted to appease that jag off in Baltimore when he didn’t want a team moving into “his market.” It’s whatever though. The o’s can’t even win a playoff series and the Nationals won the World Series in ‘19
@@Ardyrezv but my point is with new ownership for Baltimore, that might make the league and MASN more willing to let the Nats do their own thing. Whether it’s start their own channel or go to Monumental (which I think is most likely)
@@jondelmore3163 if the league let them they would’ve been gone years ago. The league doesn’t care. The lerners are one of the least influential owners and until recently Angelos was much more influential. Winning the World Series probably hurt Washington in the Masn split negotiations
@@Ardyrezv I disagree with that. They got a brand new stadium and a lease with the city. The league and the city wouldn’t have let them move anywhere. Lerners aren’t the best owners, but they’re far from the worst. Angelo’s and Jeffrey Loria take that spot along with Angels owner.
@@jondelmore3163 I meant tv deals not moving out of Washington. Not saying the lerners are the “worst” but are by far one of the least influential. Been soft trying to sell the team for 5-6 years now
This is the problem that MLB is going to face a lot in the future . To many guys in there late 20’s early 30’s getting 14 year $350 million+ contracts . Since guys make garbage until they are 26-28 they look to cash in and they don’t produce anywhere close to there primes . Just wait a few years until Judge , Ohtani , machado , bogarts , Cole , trout, betts , etc are all gonna be absolute albatross on there teams . MLB should have a rule where you can pay a guy whatever you want but can’t go past a certain number of years if they are over 26-28 . Imagine if strasberg got the same money over 5 years rather than 7 .
I can’t say I’ve ever seen a team be this salty about having to pay out the contract both sides agreed to. Big L for Washington
Wait so if a player signs a 10 year contract and they choose to retire 2 years into the contract the team has to pay the rest of the 8 years ????
I grew up with him. He was home-schooled and didn't have friends. When he was on my team, he talked if you initiated, but he wouldn't initiate anything. He was always quiet.
many people are that way. it’s okay, doesn’t make them a bad person
@@jaysantos11 never said he was
Glad the Nats are doing this. We need that money to be able to make a run at some good players next year.
It sounds like the Nationals are mad that Strasberg won’t take a pay cut so they’re going to make him stay with the team for the last few years of the contract. Strasberg is already owed $80 million in deferred money. Why would he be willing to go beyond that? It’s a petty move by Washington as Strasberg would still be pitching if he didn’t have a career ending injury. It’s their own fault for not insuring a contract of that size. Strasberg could counter their pettiness by becoming a distraction and then the Nats could fine him and so forth and so on. With the players having such a good union, Washington will only be able to fine him so much. If they keep going, it’s going to be black eye for the franchise.
I feel bad for Strasburg. There was a lot left in him but got dealt a bad hand of cards.
If you retire mid contract wouldn't that be acknowledging a forfeiture of the rest of the money given that you're breaking the terms? Otherwise wouldn't all players get their huge deal and just retire?
Cant you just cut him? You'd still pay the salary and open that last spot on the roster. Maybe hed negotiate too if hes away from the franchise for a while.
If I am paying him that money, and he won't budge, I'd make the guy pitch left handed in rookie ball.
This is what the Cleveland Browns will be facing with Deshaun Watson in a few months. The big difference is that Watson did a whole lot of nothing compared to Joe Flacco.
He should be willing to defer at least a little. Even if just 15-20% of what is left. They could provide value. If not, then provide value as a mentor . He can pick which way he wants to provide value
Nats need to suck it up my god, just pay him out of his contract and get him off the books, this is so lame. Strasburg wasn't signed to mentor players, he was signed to pitch
He isn't retiered. He refuses to retire.
I wonder if the terms being changed are also to benefit the Lerners sell the team