Hey Joel, great interview! Small thing - the popup you did in the end of the video ( 19:52 ) is wrong, he said fluorine-carbon bonds (PFAS - Per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances), not chlorine-carbon bonds
@@3DPrintingNerd Your answer to my question 'Can it be machined to a fine finish required for roller bearings?' was pined but I can't see it. Please provide the answer again.
$275.00 for 500 grams. Wow. Sounds like a fantastic material. Hope they can bring the price down to where it can be used by DIYers. Thank you for sharing this information with us.
@@kirahund6711 This may be correct but the diy community has it's own feeling for strength with videos from people like stefan. Therefor best comparision for us is to give it to stefan so we can see how it performs.
Although I'm a metallurgist by trade, I studied enough polymer science in high school and college to really appreciate how novel this material is...definitely a game-changer if it can be widely adopted enough to get the price down.
Mr Z is just standing there, nonchalantly explaining what could be a manfacturing evolution. I hope he (we) is successful and makes a shit ton of money as he helps the world!
I just hope they stay the course and not allow themselves to be purchased or bought out by a larger company because then this product will go away completely and we will never see it again.
half the weight of aluminum, rf passthrough, acts like kevlar 😮😮😮😮😮😮....welp there goes the whole market, this is going to get huuuuugee..... mass produce the matterial
Oh boy...best results so far are realized using thicker layers and slower walls/infill than the Specs indicate. I am beginning to think that the published Specs are absolute maximum speeds and thinnest possible layers rather than 'typical use' settings. What I am using: 300C hot-end, 120C print bed, +55C chamber, 30mm/sec outer wall, 250-350mm/sec for inner-walls and infill, 0.08mm/layers. Bed adhesion has been the #1 failure, second to that is 'wash-boarding': regular bumps/waves in the top surface of the print. It doesn't happen right away...usually shows up about 1/2 way through the print. The bumps get bad enough you can hear the print-head running into them! Brrt, brrt, brrt... Using 'random' seam placement helps quite a lot...regular seam placement seems to trigger the 'wash-board' formation. More experiments ($5.78 per test print!) are needed. Layer to layer adhesion has been quite poor, somewhat better when printed slower. Despite the fails, I've managed a few bits with truly surprising strength.
@@paulroberto2286 That's the point. 5% elongation at failure is very brittle for a combat robot. Materials like nylon could be 20% or more, and TPU even more. While strong, this would be way more prone to cracking. Rubbery things aren't stiff, but they are phenomenal at absorbing energy without breaking.
I guarantee someone is gonna print bulletproof plates for vests with Tullomer. Also that stuff seems a bit more finicky to print than they let on, but it's absolutely a struck of genius! Well done sir!
This is actually one of the first things that came to mind, but I have a unique twist to add. A technique that I learned more about a couple weeks ago that would make material like this much more efficient to this specific task. Making it able to stop even high caliber rounds and taking multiple hits at that.
Hey Joel, a fellow engineer here. This is the first video I have seen on your channel and you reignited a spark inside me to pursue my ambition in material science. To say this material can change the world is an understatement. I hope to learn more on this and looking forward to working alongside people like Mike and perhaps live out a similar, but unique experience just like Mike has!
It is without doubt the most interesting 3D printing material I have ever seen, effectively being able to print Kevlar structures is likely to be welcomed with open arms by aerospace and defence industries.
This guy is an absolute genius. Materials are his superpower. Getting it to work is the hardest step. Refining and lowering cost is child's play after that.
We started printing Tullomer last week for projects requiring ultra low degasing parts (for ultra high vacuum chambers). Thanks for the video, it is very clearly explained.
Seems like a very interesting material. I look forward into someone test this out, like Stefan from CNC Kitchen or Igor from My Tech Fun. But as long as the price per kg is that high, it doesn't realy matter if it is printible on consumer mashines as barely any consumer will buy it. It is probably nice for the ones who actively work with 3d printed parts though.
One thing I would love to test it for, is belt-printers and effectivize a serial production for the material, while utilizing it's inherent properties to make some of the stronger "print in-mid-air" creations out there. Would be fantastic as a replacement material for PC-ABS constructions for automotive uses.
Fascinating! I really think materials and software are the two areas of improvement for the desktop 3D printer industry, and this is a step in the right direction!
Statasys will get even more jealous now and double down on their lawsuits so normal printers cannot print high performance materials like these. Awesome work guys. I will definitely be picking this up.
It seems like it is behaving like a thermoset material with a temperature based initiator and they are using the low layer height to help layer adhesion.
It sounds like a scam to me. They do not write the actual polymer they use so they can justify that overcharge. Don't get scammed guys. The material looks though like Nylon, prints like PEKK or PEEK. The samples they print all are flat for a reason, likely the layer adhesion isn't significantly better than normal. The problem with FDM prints typically is not that the material yields, it's that the layer lines yield. Same here.
I'm excited for 3D Printing a decade from now. This material is incredible. I wonder how comparable to UHMWPE it is in terms of ballistic protection? 🤔
propably not. this is not thermoplastik but a duromer that you are making in the process. lines next to eachother need to be printed without a long delay I think otherwise they will not adhere propably to eachother
@@3DPrintingNerd I was wrong. There is no crosslinking involved. I did mishear when he was talking aboul molecule alignement. It actually is a thmoplastik. So Brick layering might be a thing
Mike has the knowledge and time working with said knowledge to come to the place where he's able to develop such an amazing thing and give a shit about the environment to boot. Amazing work.
Wonderful video! Thanks for doing this 🙏 I wish we could always just get our information directly from the source 🤗 And thanks a ton to Mike Zimermann for this extremely professional and interesting presentation.
I am seriously interested in this and looking into buying a spool or two for testing. I plan to make parts for R&D and possibly manufacturing for RC planes and our kits we will soon be coming out with. We have an X1C which sounds like it would be perfect for this material. Thanks for another awesome video and informing us of new stuff.
I am the artist behind holographic speed painting and I am encouraging humanity to transition their homes to growing spaceship mansions. This is certainly optimistic news. 🥂
LOOK GARY THERE I AM!! 😂 This was a super fun video, Reminds me how we all geeked out over this at RAPID. I wanna test and play with some so badly! I still have the snapped bit you and Pooch broke at the event. Absolutely in love with materials like this
I had actually done some research on this a few months ago for using with my combat robot project and ended up getting a sample print. While the materials failure modes arent necessarily condusive to the high energy impacts of the sport, I was actually looking into this for fighting flame thrower based robots. Those robots have far less kinetic energy, and the temperature resistance and self extinguishing characteristics seem like they wouild be a great combination with its natural strength. I know someone else had commented about its ability to take impact. Id love to test that too, just to see what the failure mode actually looks like
Wow. This matl' would be wonderful for wooden boat building. Imagine a 3d printer big enough to print out whole ribs to shape, or planks to shape! Wouldn't need lumber anymore for hull building.
This was really amazing to see, even though I haven't had enough coffee yet today for my brain to keep up with the science. I'm curious to see how much headway this material makes into the engineering space. I'm also interested to see what projects people come up with to use this stuff. Great video!
That's a very cool material; I can definitely see uses in automotive areas. Hope I can find a project to justify a purchase at some point in the future.
I can see this to be used in molds for different kind of polymer manufacturing, like carbonfiber and soo on. Today that industry is using either steel, aluminium or carbonfiber molds that is hard to work on and weight a ton and is extremely expensive to make. The time to mill and polish a mold is not heap. If this material is quite easy to sand and can get a good surface it can be a good substitute for some.
The layer adhesion gets much better on higher end machines. If you actually look at the datasheet, they recommend 350+C nozzle and 90+C heated chamber.
I can't wait and hope there's a day where it's semi-affordable once it gets developed and manufactured more.. Super exciting stuff for sure! I definitely would love to use it to make fixtures and jigs in my workshop. I wonder if it can be pigmented or if the pigmentation would alter the crystalline structures bonding or possibly cause any weaknesses in the material by pigmentation it?
Glad to see more info on this. When this first came up, it sounded like a miracle material and all I kept wondering was "what's the catch?". The impressive thing is the big catch seems to be the price, but I don't think people realize that the goal wasn't to make a consumer material... it was to make a professional material that could be printed on consumer printers (or that's how I heard it). So that price is pretty on point. The curious thing for me is the discussion says "prints at 300C and very fast", the sales page says that's the minimum and it recommends 325C and 500mm/s or more. As I don't know any profession machines that print at those speeds, and nearly every consumer printer tops at 300C-ish. It makes me wonder if the "high speed to essentially create those fibers" is really more "the printer is trying to extrude but it's getting very wispy and stringy" and that the real thing is finding the balance between "hot enough to get proper layer adhesion" and "printing just past the point of proper flow rate to produce the strings". Essentially, bad printing artifacts becomes a feature. If I get a bonus, maybe I'll get a spool and try on my MK4S or XL. By the time I come up with an idea for the contest, the contest will probably be over.
The Qidi Q1 is 399$, with a toolhead that can do 350C, and a 120C bed, with a 60C chamber heater. Yes, the printer is basically the same price as the filament.
The mechanical properties look amazing and the price is pretty cheap compared to the overall cost of printing with PEEK. Looking forward to sending in my project idea. Joel, you are an amazing guy with a great heart. Thank you for all that you do for the 3D printing community.
If toolchangers are the new thing in FDM printing (heard bambu is also working on one), than this might be an interesting material for that. Let's say a shuttle is like 20g'ish (ABS) but has complex geometry as those things tend to do and you want it to be as stiff as possible, your only options are going to be slm aluminium (as steel is too heavy) or smth like peek (which you can't print on a desktop printer). This would cost like 10$ out of Tullomer (20g/500g * 250$), while it would be more like 50$ out of aluminium (in my country at least). Only question: What would you do with the other 480g Tullomer? So I'm getting interessted after there are 100g or at least 250g spools
Very interesting. Maybe spool a pressure tank like they do with carbon fiber. If it's actually good you could make a pressurized aircraft with it. 500MPa at 1.4g/cm3 is significantly higher tensile strength per weight than titanium so that's semi crazy pants.
I can't think of a single DIYer that can afford this material. However, it is promising and I am hoping in the future the price will come down for mere mortals. I would love to use this for automotive prints instead of ASA, ABS-GF, etc.
I'm going to have to try this stuff on a few of our 3d printable wrenches and sockets after our torque test rig is set up. I'll make a video of it when I test it.
Thanks for the interest! We are excited to see the video, please tag us. Also feel free to reach out to use if you need any assistance with the material.
I really think he should have thrown out there a lot more that this filament doesnt absorb that much water. I have been avoiding using nylon because I would rather not have it sit on a shelf and potentially get ruined since I would only use it once in a while.
Does not absorb much water and has a very high moisture barrier. A good practice with all material including this one is to still dry it when necessary.
Missing a bit of info he didn’t talk about. XY vs Z strength and modulus, chemical/UV resistance, and most importantly the impact resistance. Could be an interesting material for certain applications.
Very interesting material. Can it be injection molded? With the crystals aligned in to layer plane after printing, what’s the inter-layer adhesion like?
Seems like the extrusion and acceleration of the print head causes the filament to make microstrings that increases interpolymer strength? It may be exclusive to fdm or similar processes. Would be interesting to know for sure.
@@yftj4474 The material is not isotropic. We have not done extensive testing with annealing since the part is already crystaline after the print, so it is not necessary to achieve crystallinity through annealing like you have to do with PEEK. Layer adhesion is something we are still working on improving.
After seeing print in place scale-mail, and the variety of printed cosmetic armors .I have always been interested in the idea of printing functional custom fitting body armor, I never really looked at materials I could not even print but this is totally on my radar now. After seeing a video by Crash Makerspace using 3d lattices to stop a 22lr bullet with a 20mm cube, and that was just with standard clear resin. I really want to see how this would hold up to cutting tests especially. imagine being able to print form fitted anti stab armor at home even something like scale mail. If this is really as strong as it looks I think printed armor could totally be a thing at least for cutting. I think its still a little too much for myself personally to try yet, but I will be keeping an eye. This is the kind of advancement 3d printing needs, I hope this can be profitable and the price can come down in the future.
Looking at the models shown in this video, I'm not sure that print-in-place armor can be done. All the pieces were printed flat on the build plate such that they didn't require supports. Maybe separately printed armor pieces that can be snapped together?
@@christianlainesse4281 honestly I wouldnt even be dead set on something like PIP scale, thats just what gave me the idea. crash makerspace stopping bullets with PLA was far more interesting to me. even being able to print something like custom fitted plates would be amazing for ergonomics. body armor is pretty limited in terms of sizes and dimensions (though I guess bed size is also a limitation). if you were going to make real body armor you would probably want to add some sort of coating after anyways, either anti spalling or something to catch shrapnel on the back size, which could be used to connect multiple pieces. really considering the price, going for anti stab is probably a more viable route, assuming this is even fit for the purpose. If it was effective it would be a great way to give people the freedom to have armor in places that do not allow it. its just plastic :^)
30GPa Young's Modulus, without fillers or high temp or pressure! This is game changer. Z-polymers should cook up "injection polymers" with high MVR mold flow, high strength, stiffness, include low density (polymers are naturally lower density than metal anyway), using advantage of temp and pressure in mold tool. Should also compare Tullomer vs PSU (chemical resist)
Would be cool to print out a helmet specifically for Electric unicycle (EUC) sports. All other helmets on the market has such poor downward visibility.
this material is f*** sick! price is let's say not the prettiest but... when you compare that to other "real deals" and additional cost that you need for them like menisoned Peek and you have in mind that in most scenario it is just better (except high temp i think peek is more temperature resistant) then... it's very reasonable price but I hope in years/decades it's drop down so it could really revolutionized the world not only in high end stuff, I think maybe one day 100$ per kg will be possible but even today this is nuts and if i will ever have an client that need haeavy duty stuff that will be 1st pick probably now
Very cool indeed! But they didn't talk about layer adhesion. I’m not saying it’s bad or good, but it was totally overlooked and there lies the rub. The one cut piece was not promising imo. More testing is required. Nevertheless, even if layer adhesion is less than ideal, a clever design can compensate it (same thing I do know with regular filaments). The other relevant property is creep. I wonder how well it does in that regard. This is huge, specially when one wants a material because it’s very stiff like this one. I wish this man and his company all the best but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Cheers!
Would love to try this for RC car parts.. My sons traxxas cars are taking a beating and I already print parts for him… with this product, maybe they’d last a little longer. Or the R&D I do for camera related parts in our local film industry… OR. At our special effects shop for miscellaneous parts we make for shows
This video shows very well how important it is to have people like Joel talking about tech while many industry professionals and academics who actually develop it are incapable of communicating with a wider audience like Mr. Z, who looked annoyed, bored and slightly amused by the situation he was put it.
Really? I mean those terms used in industry are definitive and my 3D printing and designing took a big step up once I put the effort into understanding the chemistry of the materials (like PA (nylon) uses hydrogen bonding which gives it the extreme toughness but at the same time makes it terribly hygroscopic). Not like the terms he used were ultra-complex, and a quick trip to wikipedia could give a refresher. Also if you are going to use this for some project, you probably are doing a pretty serious industrial use (I mean logically do you need resistance to nitric acid at home? I mean sure who hasn't made self-foaming cocktails with nitric acid?) The advantage of those terms is that they have specific meaning to compare using common measures (most people don't understand the technical definition of toughness versus what the lay use of the word is, but if you're doing a life-safety application, you'd better! or in this video V0 vs "fireproof" which it isn't just means it puts itself out). Also Joel (and I love his videos, and he is super nice in person) is kinda playing dumb here, since we all know he understands a lot about 3D printing polymers.
I love this. Particularly the idea of changing properties as it's printing (presumably by changing temperature, layer thickness, speed). That alone takes this to a new level. I really appreciate the effort going in to the new higher performance materials. It is moving consumer level / price 3D Printing from being only useful for prototyping to production. I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes - and wish Z-Polymers the best success. When a suitable project comes along - I'll be ordering some.
Hey Joel, great interview!
Small thing - the popup you did in the end of the video ( 19:52 ) is wrong, he said fluorine-carbon bonds (PFAS - Per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances), not chlorine-carbon bonds
Thanks for the heads up! Mike also reached out about that. That’s our bad and unfortunately RUclips doesn’t let us correct it in place.
@@3DPrintingNerd Maybe a pinned comment?
@@lio1234234 sure!
@@3DPrintingNerd Your answer to my question 'Can it be machined to a fine finish required for roller bearings?' was pined but I can't see it. Please provide the answer again.
$275.00 for 500 grams. Wow. Sounds like a fantastic material. Hope they can bring the price down to where it can be used by DIYers. Thank you for sharing this information with us.
I mean that's pretty cheap for an engineering material
Engineering Material is a Marketing term to gatekeep it from Hobbyists
Yeah, it'll be for industrial applications at first. Hope that price is from cost of RnD and not cost of producing the material.
That's cheap compared to cncd metal
It is stronger than steel man... I am VERY tempted. It also has low hygroscopy so you dont have to worry much about drying it.
get this to CNC kitchen for testing stat.
They gave numbers done by real testing equipment using real established procedures. I'd trust them much more than Stefan's homebuild testing machines.
@@kirahund6711 This may be correct but the diy community has it's own feeling for strength with videos from people like stefan. Therefor best comparision for us is to give it to stefan so we can see how it performs.
Although I'm a metallurgist by trade, I studied enough polymer science in high school and college to really appreciate how novel this material is...definitely a game-changer if it can be widely adopted enough to get the price down.
Mr Z is just standing there, nonchalantly explaining what could be a manfacturing evolution. I hope he (we) is successful and makes a shit ton of money as he helps the world!
I just hope they stay the course and not allow themselves to be purchased or bought out by a larger company because then this product will go away completely and we will never see it again.
this is the most advanced filament to come along in years, this could be the best filament made for years to come
This is fantastic! People pushing bounds in the 3D printing industry need more exposure like this! Excellent content!
half the weight of aluminum, rf passthrough, acts like kevlar 😮😮😮😮😮😮....welp there goes the whole market, this is going to get huuuuugee..... mass produce the matterial
the older gent went into a deep deeeeep dive into material science for this and i love every min. of it 😮 "change the world matterial" is f-ing right
The TDS on the website shows 250 MPA UTS, while in the video 500 MPA is mentioned. That is a huge difference, why is that?
Well...I done did a thing and ordered 500 grams...and some glue.
Gonna run it through the X1 Carbon, see for myself what all the fuss it about.
Oh boy...best results so far are realized using thicker layers and slower walls/infill than the Specs indicate.
I am beginning to think that the published Specs are absolute maximum speeds and thinnest possible layers rather than 'typical use' settings.
What I am using:
300C hot-end, 120C print bed, +55C chamber, 30mm/sec outer wall, 250-350mm/sec for inner-walls and infill, 0.08mm/layers.
Bed adhesion has been the #1 failure, second to that is 'wash-boarding': regular bumps/waves in the top surface of the print. It doesn't happen right away...usually shows up about 1/2 way through the print.
The bumps get bad enough you can hear the print-head running into them! Brrt, brrt, brrt...
Using 'random' seam placement helps quite a lot...regular seam placement seems to trigger the 'wash-board' formation.
More experiments ($5.78 per test print!) are needed.
Layer to layer adhesion has been quite poor, somewhat better when printed slower.
Despite the fails, I've managed a few bits with truly surprising strength.
"i tings like an organic crystal" this guy awesome :D 14:07
@@atommeyer2226 I also had to laugh hard 😂
Im glad you coordinated and both wore High Five Blue shirts
I think there will be soon fight robot chasis by Maker's Muse made of this material.
Costing $275 for 500g, I bet there won't be.
at 5% elongation at break, I don't think this would be a good choice for a combat robot.
@@Eric_Wolfe-Schulte tbf, TPU has been used for ant-weight robots a lot. And with TPU, there's significant elongation as well
@@paulroberto2286 That's the point. 5% elongation at failure is very brittle for a combat robot. Materials like nylon could be 20% or more, and TPU even more. While strong, this would be way more prone to cracking. Rubbery things aren't stiff, but they are phenomenal at absorbing energy without breaking.
@@Brainstormer_Industires my bad!
I guarantee someone is gonna print bulletproof plates for vests with Tullomer.
Also that stuff seems a bit more finicky to print than they let on, but it's absolutely a struck of genius! Well done sir!
Maby mesh of this filled with the plastic they use in milk jugs, with inbeaded ceramic scales.
This is actually one of the first things that came to mind, but I have a unique twist to add. A technique that I learned more about a couple weeks ago that would make material like this much more efficient to this specific task. Making it able to stop even high caliber rounds and taking multiple hits at that.
Hey Joel, a fellow engineer here. This is the first video I have seen on your channel and you reignited a spark inside me to pursue my ambition in material science. To say this material can change the world is an understatement. I hope to learn more on this and looking forward to working alongside people like Mike and perhaps live out a similar, but unique experience just like Mike has!
It is without doubt the most interesting 3D printing material I have ever seen, effectively being able to print Kevlar structures is likely to be welcomed with open arms by aerospace and defence industries.
@@paulcrabb7167 is this kevlar?
@@mathiaschaves7604 Sort of - they have taken the "backbone of kevlar" see video around 7:36
This guy is an absolute genius. Materials are his superpower. Getting it to work is the hardest step. Refining and lowering cost is child's play after that.
We started printing Tullomer last week for projects requiring ultra low degasing parts (for ultra high vacuum chambers). Thanks for the video, it is very clearly explained.
Seems like a very interesting material. I look forward into someone test this out, like Stefan from CNC Kitchen or Igor from My Tech Fun.
But as long as the price per kg is that high, it doesn't realy matter if it is printible on consumer mashines as barely any consumer will buy it. It is probably nice for the ones who actively work with 3d printed parts though.
@MirateDU thank you for the trust. I contacted them, but no reply so far.
Can i get Tullomer with Glitter for my Voron build.
One thing I would love to test it for, is belt-printers and effectivize a serial production for the material, while utilizing it's inherent properties to make some of the stronger "print in-mid-air" creations out there. Would be fantastic as a replacement material for PC-ABS constructions for automotive uses.
I want to use it on a belt printer to print an all-in-one functional cutting longsword
Do you remember the “arc overhangs” video from a couple of years ago? Tullomer with arc overhangs in the slicer could make some pretty wild shapes
Love to see those tests too, it has not been tested on belt printers yet.
Fascinating! I really think materials and software are the two areas of improvement for the desktop 3D printer industry, and this is a step in the right direction!
If it was under 100 bucks per roll then I'd be all over it.
Fantastic material.
@@saltysteel3996 Make your own super-filament and problem solved.
Statasys will get even more jealous now and double down on their lawsuits so normal printers cannot print high performance materials like these. Awesome work guys. I will definitely be picking this up.
I don't think I truly appreciated how strong Joel is until I appreciated how strong Tullomer is. 💪
Very interesting material and presentation. You’re a great interviewer Joel. You kept the discussion going and interesting.
It seems like it is behaving like a thermoset material with a temperature based initiator and they are using the low layer height to help layer adhesion.
It is a proprietary thermoplastic and a pure polymer. There are no initiators in the material.
Bro looks and sounds like he just had a 26 hour work day 💀
Dude has a masters and PHD....the "humor" has been beaten out of him...he only seemed to "liven" up when he as talking nerd speak...
It sounds like a scam to me. They do not write the actual polymer they use so they can justify that overcharge.
Don't get scammed guys.
The material looks though like Nylon, prints like PEKK or PEEK. The samples they print all are flat for a reason, likely the layer adhesion isn't significantly better than normal.
The problem with FDM prints typically is not that the material yields, it's that the layer lines yield. Same here.
I sometimes wonder about how much progress on earth is due to the tiny number of individuals like this man.
"It tings like an organic crystal." 😎
Sounds like a good material to print replacement body parts for cars
I'm excited for 3D Printing a decade from now. This material is incredible. I wonder how comparable to UHMWPE it is in terms of ballistic protection? 🤔
The guy worked for Bell Labs.. hes a badass
Now combine it with brick layering extrusion.
Was thinking the same thing!
propably not. this is not thermoplastik but a duromer that you are making in the process. lines next to eachother need to be printed without a long delay I think otherwise they will not adhere propably to eachother
@@electricalychalanged4911 Tullomer is a thermoplastic thus why you can melt it through a nozzle, remelt it, and recycle it.
@@3DPrintingNerd I was wrong. There is no crosslinking involved. I did mishear when he was talking aboul molecule alignement. It actually is a thmoplastik. So Brick layering might be a thing
Great job Joel, I didn't get to meet you the day you were filming. I've been working with Mike at many startups, this is no joke!
Mike has the knowledge and time working with said knowledge to come to the place where he's able to develop such an amazing thing and give a shit about the environment to boot. Amazing work.
I submitted a project idea. Thanks for sharing more about Tullomer. Very exciting!
Wonderful video! Thanks for doing this 🙏 I wish we could always just get our information directly from the source 🤗 And thanks a ton to Mike Zimermann for this extremely professional and interesting presentation.
what is the ratio between layer adhesion and XY ultimate strenght ?
1 point 5
We are still working on layer adhesion but by nature the material is anisotropic.
I am seriously interested in this and looking into buying a spool or two for testing. I plan to make parts for R&D and possibly manufacturing for RC planes and our kits we will soon be coming out with. We have an X1C which sounds like it would be perfect for this material.
Thanks for another awesome video and informing us of new stuff.
I am the artist behind holographic speed painting and I am encouraging humanity to transition their homes to growing spaceship mansions. This is certainly optimistic news. 🥂
Stunning video.
Lived the fact that I could follow the nerdy!
LOOK GARY THERE I AM!! 😂
This was a super fun video, Reminds me how we all geeked out over this at RAPID. I wanna test and play with some so badly! I still have the snapped bit you and Pooch broke at the event. Absolutely in love with materials like this
I had actually done some research on this a few months ago for using with my combat robot project and ended up getting a sample print. While the materials failure modes arent necessarily condusive to the high energy impacts of the sport, I was actually looking into this for fighting flame thrower based robots. Those robots have far less kinetic energy, and the temperature resistance and self extinguishing characteristics seem like they wouild be a great combination with its natural strength.
I know someone else had commented about its ability to take impact. Id love to test that too, just to see what the failure mode actually looks like
I'm assuming you can print a bulletproof vest then
And the gun too
Wow. This matl' would be wonderful for wooden boat building. Imagine a 3d printer big enough to print out whole ribs to shape, or planks to shape! Wouldn't need lumber anymore for hull building.
I'm gonna need 12 tons of that in a couple of years.
This material will pretty much solved all my issues for my project.
Definitely reach out to us.
I print custom parts in my lab, and having something chemically resistant like ptfe would be huge
This was really amazing to see, even though I haven't had enough coffee yet today for my brain to keep up with the science. I'm curious to see how much headway this material makes into the engineering space. I'm also interested to see what projects people come up with to use this stuff. Great video!
I look forward to seeing them making a Kevlar fabric
We are working that
Crazy how you can buy like 3 Enders for the price of 1kg of this stuff.
@@CosmicDreamOfficial or 4000 gumballs or 1 mattress or half an X1C
That's a very cool material; I can definitely see uses in automotive areas. Hope I can find a project to justify a purchase at some point in the future.
I can see this to be used in molds for different kind of polymer manufacturing, like carbonfiber and soo on. Today that industry is using either steel, aluminium or carbonfiber molds that is hard to work on and weight a ton and is extremely expensive to make. The time to mill and polish a mold is not heap.
If this material is quite easy to sand and can get a good surface it can be a good substitute for some.
11:52 "Underestimating the sneakiness" SuperVinlin
" The level of things we talked about were so deeply nerdy that people are going to enjoy it.." I was wondering why I was enjoying it so much...😅
"Yeah we are building radar trasparent drone boats" I *think* this kind of things has NDA
He did not say anything specific
We are working in this area. Let's connect and collaborate!!!
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Wow, materials like this, which can have different properties dependent on how it's used in production, could completely change manufacturing.
I'd love to see this used to print a velomobile body shell... maybe integrate suspension into it.
The real question is, how good is the layer adhesion.
I had to dig to find this comment, I hope they answer
It's not amazing, I do think if you have a more capable machine you could get it better. (printing it on a modified X1C)
@@RoBoT24435 modified in what way?….please
@@lureup9973 320c hotend, 140c bed, active chamber heater to get around 60c ambient temperature.
The layer adhesion gets much better on higher end machines. If you actually look at the datasheet, they recommend 350+C nozzle and 90+C heated chamber.
I can't wait and hope there's a day where it's semi-affordable once it gets developed and manufactured more.. Super exciting stuff for sure! I definitely would love to use it to make fixtures and jigs in my workshop. I wonder if it can be pigmented or if the pigmentation would alter the crystalline structures bonding or possibly cause any weaknesses in the material by pigmentation it?
14:20 worth noting that they didn't test the other materials, but went with their data sheets.
A electric VLTO place would be interesting out of this material.
You coukd really get the weight out of the air frame.
Well... Can you have tullomer on frying pans?
Potentially
Glad to see more info on this. When this first came up, it sounded like a miracle material and all I kept wondering was "what's the catch?". The impressive thing is the big catch seems to be the price, but I don't think people realize that the goal wasn't to make a consumer material... it was to make a professional material that could be printed on consumer printers (or that's how I heard it). So that price is pretty on point. The curious thing for me is the discussion says "prints at 300C and very fast", the sales page says that's the minimum and it recommends 325C and 500mm/s or more. As I don't know any profession machines that print at those speeds, and nearly every consumer printer tops at 300C-ish. It makes me wonder if the "high speed to essentially create those fibers" is really more "the printer is trying to extrude but it's getting very wispy and stringy" and that the real thing is finding the balance between "hot enough to get proper layer adhesion" and "printing just past the point of proper flow rate to produce the strings". Essentially, bad printing artifacts becomes a feature. If I get a bonus, maybe I'll get a spool and try on my MK4S or XL. By the time I come up with an idea for the contest, the contest will probably be over.
@@rcmaniac25 Creality K2 can print at 350C
The Qidi Q1 is 399$, with a toolhead that can do 350C, and a 120C bed, with a 60C chamber heater.
Yes, the printer is basically the same price as the filament.
that's more than impressive honestly.
Now make it cost like 200€ pre kg and I'm in.
The mechanical properties look amazing and the price is pretty cheap compared to the overall cost of printing with PEEK. Looking forward to sending in my project idea. Joel, you are an amazing guy with a great heart. Thank you for all that you do for the 3D printing community.
Look at Aptera. Currently using carbon fiber. They are molded parts. Can we use Tullomer
If toolchangers are the new thing in FDM printing (heard bambu is also working on one), than this might be an interesting material for that.
Let's say a shuttle is like 20g'ish (ABS) but has complex geometry as those things tend to do and you want it to be as stiff as possible, your only options are going to be slm aluminium (as steel is too heavy) or smth like peek (which you can't print on a desktop printer).
This would cost like 10$ out of Tullomer (20g/500g * 250$), while it would be more like 50$ out of aluminium (in my country at least).
Only question: What would you do with the other 480g Tullomer? So I'm getting interessted after there are 100g or at least 250g spools
Very interesting. Maybe spool a pressure tank like they do with carbon fiber. If it's actually good you could make a pressurized aircraft with it.
500MPa at 1.4g/cm3 is significantly higher tensile strength per weight than titanium so that's semi crazy pants.
I'm incredibly excited to try this.
I can't think of a single DIYer that can afford this material. However, it is promising and I am hoping in the future the price will come down for mere mortals. I would love to use this for automotive prints instead of ASA, ABS-GF, etc.
I'm going to have to try this stuff on a few of our 3d printable wrenches and sockets after our torque test rig is set up. I'll make a video of it when I test it.
Thanks for the interest! We are excited to see the video, please tag us. Also feel free to reach out to use if you need any assistance with the material.
That layer height is insanely short. I wonder how much the mechanical properties change at 0.14-0.2
I really think he should have thrown out there a lot more that this filament doesnt absorb that much water. I have been avoiding using nylon because I would rather not have it sit on a shelf and potentially get ruined since I would only use it once in a while.
Does not absorb much water and has a very high moisture barrier. A good practice with all material including this one is to still dry it when necessary.
Missing a bit of info he didn’t talk about. XY vs Z strength and modulus, chemical/UV resistance, and most importantly the impact resistance. Could be an interesting material for certain applications.
0:44 The guy to the right have this "Why did you grab my butt before recording" - Reaction. He can't stop thinking about.
So like... What about slicing in honeycomb to prevent delamination entirely, this stuff would be insane.
Very interesting material. Can it be injection molded?
With the crystals aligned in to layer plane after printing, what’s the inter-layer adhesion like?
Seems like the extrusion and acceleration of the print head causes the filament to make microstrings that increases interpolymer strength? It may be exclusive to fdm or similar processes. Would be interesting to know for sure.
We are developing a version for Injection Molding - stay tuned
@@Z-PolymersInc could you comment on the layer adhesion strength? Is this material isotropic after annealing?
@@yftj4474 The material is not isotropic. We have not done extensive testing with annealing since the part is already crystaline after the print, so it is not necessary to achieve crystallinity through annealing like you have to do with PEEK. Layer adhesion is something we are still working on improving.
Noble Prize level!!!
Bro has a Ph. D.....
*Joel says something*
Well, actually you're wrong.
Would be a great filament, if it was 1/10 of the current price.
500€ per kilo is just too expensive.
After seeing print in place scale-mail, and the variety of printed cosmetic armors .I have always been interested in the idea of printing functional custom fitting body armor, I never really looked at materials I could not even print but this is totally on my radar now. After seeing a video by Crash Makerspace using 3d lattices to stop a 22lr bullet with a 20mm cube, and that was just with standard clear resin. I really want to see how this would hold up to cutting tests especially. imagine being able to print form fitted anti stab armor at home even something like scale mail. If this is really as strong as it looks I think printed armor could totally be a thing at least for cutting.
I think its still a little too much for myself personally to try yet, but I will be keeping an eye. This is the kind of advancement 3d printing needs, I hope this can be profitable and the price can come down in the future.
Looking at the models shown in this video, I'm not sure that print-in-place armor can be done. All the pieces were printed flat on the build plate such that they didn't require supports. Maybe separately printed armor pieces that can be snapped together?
@@christianlainesse4281 honestly I wouldnt even be dead set on something like PIP scale, thats just what gave me the idea. crash makerspace stopping bullets with PLA was far more interesting to me. even being able to print something like custom fitted plates would be amazing for ergonomics.
body armor is pretty limited in terms of sizes and dimensions (though I guess bed size is also a limitation). if you were going to make real body armor you would probably want to add some sort of coating after anyways, either anti spalling or something to catch shrapnel on the back size, which could be used to connect multiple pieces.
really considering the price, going for anti stab is probably a more viable route, assuming this is even fit for the purpose. If it was effective it would be a great way to give people the freedom to have armor in places that do not allow it. its just plastic :^)
A very interesting product, for sure!
30GPa Young's Modulus, without fillers or high temp or pressure! This is game changer.
Z-polymers should cook up "injection polymers" with high MVR mold flow, high strength, stiffness, include low density (polymers are naturally lower density than metal anyway), using advantage of temp and pressure in mold tool.
Should also compare Tullomer vs PSU (chemical resist)
Would be cool to print out a helmet specifically for Electric unicycle (EUC) sports. All other helmets on the market has such poor downward visibility.
I hope Stephan gets a hold of this.
Awesome. Not "stronger than steel", but still excellent.
I would love to 3d print some halibut fishing tackle with this stuff...
Send them a note on this!
0:21 a question many of us dragonball fans have asked
Protect this man!
this material is f*** sick! price is let's say not the prettiest but... when you compare that to other "real deals" and additional cost that you need for them like menisoned Peek and you have in mind that in most scenario it is just better (except high temp i think peek is more temperature resistant) then... it's very reasonable price but I hope in years/decades it's drop down so it could really revolutionized the world not only in high end stuff, I think maybe one day 100$ per kg will be possible but even today this is nuts and if i will ever have an client that need haeavy duty stuff that will be 1st pick probably now
If we dud ever get super crazy nanotechnology strong cheap filaments that's gonna really boost 3d printers
Very cool indeed! But they didn't talk about layer adhesion. I’m not saying it’s bad or good, but it was totally overlooked and there lies the rub.
The one cut piece was not promising imo. More testing is required.
Nevertheless, even if layer adhesion is less than ideal, a clever design can compensate it (same thing I do know with regular filaments).
The other relevant property is creep. I wonder how well it does in that regard. This is huge, specially when one wants a material because it’s very stiff like this one.
I wish this man and his company all the best but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Cheers!
Would love to try this for RC car parts.. My sons traxxas cars are taking a beating and I already print parts for him… with this product, maybe they’d last a little longer.
Or the R&D I do for camera related parts in our local film industry… OR. At our special effects shop for miscellaneous parts we make for shows
I NEED to see the mimaki printer that you have been playing with
I wonder if those polymer woven sheets could be used to replace fiberglass sheets in resin applications, like a kayak body or a car body
This video shows very well how important it is to have people like Joel talking about tech while many industry professionals and academics who actually develop it are incapable of communicating with a wider audience like Mr. Z, who looked annoyed, bored and slightly amused by the situation he was put it.
Really? I mean those terms used in industry are definitive and my 3D printing and designing took a big step up once I put the effort into understanding the chemistry of the materials (like PA (nylon) uses hydrogen bonding which gives it the extreme toughness but at the same time makes it terribly hygroscopic). Not like the terms he used were ultra-complex, and a quick trip to wikipedia could give a refresher. Also if you are going to use this for some project, you probably are doing a pretty serious industrial use (I mean logically do you need resistance to nitric acid at home? I mean sure who hasn't made self-foaming cocktails with nitric acid?) The advantage of those terms is that they have specific meaning to compare using common measures (most people don't understand the technical definition of toughness versus what the lay use of the word is, but if you're doing a life-safety application, you'd better! or in this video V0 vs "fireproof" which it isn't just means it puts itself out). Also Joel (and I love his videos, and he is super nice in person) is kinda playing dumb here, since we all know he understands a lot about 3D printing polymers.
Alright enough of this ad, send some to Igor so we can see if this is real.
I love this. Particularly the idea of changing properties as it's printing (presumably by changing temperature, layer thickness, speed). That alone takes this to a new level.
I really appreciate the effort going in to the new higher performance materials. It is moving consumer level / price 3D Printing from being only useful for prototyping to production.
I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes - and wish Z-Polymers the best success. When a suitable project comes along - I'll be ordering some.