I always update the TL'DR version here - > www.icy-veins.com/wow/mythic-beta-dps-tier-list If I have to choose 5 specs that I will consider "meta" as of now (likely to change before Season 1 anyway:) VDH / Frost Mage / Aug / Destro or Demo / Hpal - Rdruid.
very early. they will make changes and then make no changes for 8 months the usual lol. if you wanna be S tier every single season, play mage/rogue. but then again, tier list only matters to 1 percent of the playerbase pushing very high end keys.
Blizzard not making ele good for atleast one season needs to be studied. like i dont understand how they make Locks so good but ele gets trashed Edit: I know it's beta obviously and we still have a month before season 1 but good lord lmao like blizzard wtf
p evoker and aug evoker always stuck running around like adhd dolphins to get everyone healed up or buffed. Been playing both specs this expansion and I can count on one hand where groups understood how it works and we're talking about the top players the title crew.
@49:50 They've actually been nerfing and removing bugs from RDruid. They currently don't have the healing needed to do 13s of any TWW dungeon on beta. Even RDruid mains like Seraphine swap off to HPal or RSham to do the hardest keys on beta.
Seems like Brew should be the pick in the melee comp for mystic touch(+phys DMG), close to heart(+heal taken), generous pour (less aoe dmg taken), wind walking for faster movement.
as affliction lock im the most afraid of not being able to play vile taint at all, being pushed to play phantom singularity due to the 10% dmg boost on everything. so hey .. and compared to diabolists we wont have dps again ... what a joke
From my understanding subterfuge is bugged and increasing imp garrote and shrouded suffacation. So assassination rogue is doing giga damage due to a very bugged skill. Should be fixed soon.
Melee? Will be Fury/Ret/DH/FDK - (as of right now, what i saw/tested) RDPS? - Arcane can blast really easy, Devoker, has it too. If your just looking for no Ramp, ofc some specs are better/worse. - but for most of us it doesnt matter anyway. I think not that much of us are playing top50 keys
Dont know how you call affliction buffed? Atm its doing the lowest single target of the 3 specs, its doing almost 40% less damage in singel target compared to destruction? Aff was looking amazing in start of beta, now No one plays it becaus al other specs are better in both aoe and single target, it was bugged in the start of beta then they fixed it but did not buff acordingly, and buffed the living hell out of demo/destro hero talents and Made them massivly superior. Sadly
They did get ST buff, but you can't compare aff to bugged Destruction that casts rain of fire and does the most ST of any other DPS. Or diabolist tree that got buffed to the moon and now both specs do insane damage. Compared AFF to the rest of the specs, you will realized you are better than half of them.
so for TWW S1 letz all post our keys in group-finder with the added note "no Aug!" and just dismiss it for the entire season to show blizz how bad it is taking a fixed slot all the time ;)
@@TheOutsider-vc1hy Noone said they will be the best rogue specs nor the best spec. Outlaw has it's pros and cons and depending on the way you play, you will have an opportunity to climb or go down the rankings. For a casual level of keys, by no means I believe outlaw will be terrible, nor insane. If I have to use tiers to mark it, would probably be B
Until there in another support who is physical oriented aug going to be meta or garbage and if he is meta mage going to be too and then only 1 slot is going to change from one Season to another ( or 2 with the healer)
I think Windwalker is sleeper again. I predicted it in shadowlands, no one saw WW coming, and look what happened in that expac. Their CDs are absolutely insane. Underrepresented so they just go silently by. In Dragonflight their damage was alrighty quite good, just terrible talent builds for M+. That has now been changed, and they are no longer tuned around AoE Touch of Death to just raw ability damage. Look out for WW
How I hate the mechanics of the Augmentation Evoker and that it works for everything and is always tier. It's disgusting. I don't know how many TWW tierlists I've seen but they all have the same pattern and then there's the Rogue Assassination and the Hunter Marksmanship which I think you put randomly because each tierlist is put in a different place and the other classes always agree by comparing them all.
Fire mage has been one of the best specs in like 90% of seasons since basically cata. Id be shocked if blizzard doesn't re buff it it's like the main character
@@buscavaI remember during DF when their nerfed fire mage, then all the fire mage Andy’s went mental and they upped the spec 10-15% every week 😂 it was a sight to behold
@@frenchdream330 Yah I think it's probably written in the TOS somewhere that Fire Mage is never allowed to perform at too low a level lol there's no shot that it actually ends up being bad
@@buscavaThat's why you had a fire mage at the first 100 pages of raiderio :D. It's just a design flaw in your opinion rather than a meta issue, mage fire was meta all DF. And you could play Frost in low keys and annihilate them. It's about scaling.
Blizzard should stop with these big numbers in changes. They are the worst company on this planet when it comes to balance so nerfing 25% is too much to handle for them. And buffing stuff by 800%.....absurd. Does not mean changes are needed but stop these high tweaks, everything gets out of control
Why you only talk about the top comp instead of focus on 2nd best 3nd best 4th best comps? I mean we know since seasons what is meta why repeat 15 min instead of talk what is good aswell
I think the healer meta will completely depend on the tank meta. Shaman could be meta if bear tank is meta. The better mob control and interrupt I think solves the shortcomings of bear more than a paladin/druid and their healing style just compliments bear tank more as well. I think if vdh is meta then druid wins because their healing style and toolkit compliments them more and mark/brez is just too good to lose. I think with blood dk paladin might become the strongest option, their kit is likely to be better at helping them survive a oneshot which is going to be the weakness of blood at high keys. This all assumes that the dps comp ends up being aug, mage and one more. If the comp switches to something melee heavy or aug gets another nerf then it does have the potential to completely change things. I think in a melee heavy comp shaman and bear probably still win though. That said it really only matters for the 1% pushing high keys but sadly it does have a big trickle down effect where the ones known as terrible at high keys do get shunned often times.
As long as Aug exists its an INT comp and therefore DH will be in the group either as tank or dps but most likely tank (because you want arcane intellect on the third DPS). Any debate is nonsensical. There can be no real meta variety until Aug is deleted. Until that its always aug+mage+spriest/warlock/ele with dh tank and resto druid. If boomer is tuned to sky it takes the third dps spot and you can get a different healer (priest or pala or shammy). But thats the only scenario. And tank class never changes.
Yeah the current wings are bugged out so you have them pretty much for 70-80% of the dungeon, its pretty rng, sometimes could be higher than that or lower.
F**k the meta or what people say. Play the class and specc you like. Every specc have the potential to Play +20keys. Its important to understand the class. And at the end we knew fire Mage is getting a S+ specc....
@@Beltwayful If you play only with random groups it is hard to find a group, yes. But i played in season 1 of df feral druid only with random groups and at the end of the season i get a 3.1 k Rio. Season 3 Elemental Shaman gets a B/C Tier Rank and i end with a 3.4k rio. It is hard but i love to show people that every class and specc works to get a high Rio.
@@milano8929 OK also you dont understand M+ and Mythic Raids. The first and most important thing is to play the mechanics. In M+ because of the affixes you have to be more focused because you have to kick, knock, Interrupt and more stuff to do. You can make tons of DMG but If no ones kicks and play mechanics you never get the key intime. And this is what i focus. Play clean and get the key intime. And thats not my words. Thats the words from Gingi 😉 Dont see only the DMG. Or do you think in the highes keys the Player makes the highest DMG? No. They target is to clear the Dungeon intime. And be the last in dmg is relativ. In Shadowlands in high Keys Rogues was often last in dmg, because the aoe dmg sucks. But the single target dmg was extrem high.
Super cool dk is finally no totally garbage but brain rot frost is so good… frost isn’t fun at all like holy fk stop making it be a choice between engaging game play or a vegetables
I always update the TL'DR version here - > www.icy-veins.com/wow/mythic-beta-dps-tier-list
If I have to choose 5 specs that I will consider "meta" as of now (likely to change before Season 1 anyway:)
VDH / Frost Mage / Aug / Destro or Demo / Hpal - Rdruid.
This is gonna be my first xpac not tanking which dps would you suggest based on performance and being pretty “easy” to play/learn
All 3 warlock specs above Boomkin, Ele, and Devastation.. Solid.
They got overbuffed as hell last beta cycle. Destro was the worst dps before last patch. Have some common sense.
very early. they will make changes and then make no changes for 8 months the usual lol. if you wanna be S tier every single season, play mage/rogue. but then again, tier list only matters to 1 percent of the playerbase pushing very high end keys.
Good to see
@@balance1619 false, scrubs doing mid ish keys also want meta expecting it to carry them.
@@EssenceOfTrance How many seasons haven't had at least one to two warlock specs in meta?
i will always continue to go BM hunter no matter what they always do mega damage. :)
oo who did suspect that a caster god comp for season 100 in a row
Blizzard not making ele good for atleast one season needs to be studied. like i dont understand how they make Locks so good but ele gets trashed
Edit: I know it's beta obviously and we still have a month before season 1 but good lord lmao like blizzard wtf
Class Dev diff. Some Devs just aren’t as good at their jobs.
We are about 4 different tuning patches away from m+
A lot‘s gonna happen
Bro stop loooking at numbers it gonna be adjusted so stop and think with ur brains for once
@@pryncebusta9875it's beta obviously things can still change. I'm saying just right now it's crazy how bad the nerf was. Calm tf down
devs: Ele Shamans you get a rework ...
shamans: Yeah !
devs: You're still dogshit
shamans: we suck again :(
*we suck still
@@PiliFaceno its again, we were the really good for a whole 2 weeks
If Blizzard knew what they were doing, there wouldn’t be specs below the “Good Choice” category
Of course they don't cause they aren't playing the game.
p evoker and aug evoker always stuck running around like adhd dolphins to get everyone healed up or buffed. Been playing both specs this expansion and I can count on one hand where groups understood how it works and we're talking about the top players the title crew.
@49:50 They've actually been nerfing and removing bugs from RDruid. They currently don't have the healing needed to do 13s of any TWW dungeon on beta. Even RDruid mains like Seraphine swap off to HPal or RSham to do the hardest keys on beta.
Seems like Brew should be the pick in the melee comp for mystic touch(+phys DMG), close to heart(+heal taken), generous pour (less aoe dmg taken), wind walking for faster movement.
I think melee comp will most likely be guardian druid, monk heal. Warrior ect
Close to heart and generous pour doesnt exist anymore. Monk was way too op I guess
The funny thing melee comp isnt real as even many melee specs actually do just magical damage
good content petko, ty
as affliction lock im the most afraid of not being able to play vile taint at all, being pushed to play phantom singularity due to the 10% dmg boost on everything. so hey .. and compared to diabolists we wont have dps again ... what a joke
then you have to take infirmity and you don't have a point spare for that in m+ builds so its kinda useless worrying about this lol
From my understanding subterfuge is bugged and increasing imp garrote and shrouded suffacation. So assassination rogue is doing giga damage due to a very bugged skill. Should be fixed soon.
There will be a lot of tuning done in 1st week of HC probably
I've been playing hunter for a long time. survival is really fun to play. i think play SV this extension, i love sv 11.00 :)
A wild Kog’Maw appears!
i want to play sub rog for pvp but not sure how it’ll be but i love rogue sm!
From what I see arcane,destro,frostdk or the top period dps
What DPS spec would you say have no or little ramp up time in TWW?
Melee? Will be Fury/Ret/DH/FDK - (as of right now, what i saw/tested)
RDPS? - Arcane can blast really easy, Devoker, has it too.
If your just looking for no Ramp, ofc some specs are better/worse. - but for most of us it doesnt matter anyway. I think not that much of us are playing top50 keys
Probably hunter
@@Eckoman18 You haven't played hunter very recently didn't you?
@@pseudomaso BM hunter isn’t good right now but survival is
haha, i knew he would put his main specc (ele) on bottom :D
Dont know how you call affliction buffed? Atm its doing the lowest single target of the 3 specs, its doing almost 40% less damage in singel target compared to destruction? Aff was looking amazing in start of beta, now No one plays it becaus al other specs are better in both aoe and single target, it was bugged in the start of beta then they fixed it but did not buff acordingly, and buffed the living hell out of demo/destro hero talents and Made them massivly superior. Sadly
They did get ST buff, but you can't compare aff to bugged Destruction that casts rain of fire and does the most ST of any other DPS. Or diabolist tree that got buffed to the moon and now both specs do insane damage. Compared AFF to the rest of the specs, you will realized you are better than half of them.
Fairly certain Rain of Fire was nerfed for single target even before this video came out, no?
Yeah it was nerfed and is still better to cast RoF on st
when we will see hekili top tier list?
Unholy keeps getting nerfed and feels bad if you do not have the Legendary currently. I dunno how it is being scored as impressive.
I play boomkin and BM hunter, should I refund ?
I honestly wish they would just trash earth shock for ele. as a spender it feels very underwhelming and hits like a wet noodle.
so for TWW S1 letz all post our keys in group-finder with the added note "no Aug!" and just dismiss it for the entire season to show blizz how bad it is taking a fixed slot all the time ;)
deal, im in.
I want to have the drugs you're taking that Outlaw Rogues will be desirable for high M+ keys.
@@TheOutsider-vc1hy Noone said they will be the best rogue specs nor the best spec. Outlaw has it's pros and cons and depending on the way you play, you will have an opportunity to climb or go down the rankings. For a casual level of keys, by no means I believe outlaw will be terrible, nor insane. If I have to use tiers to mark it, would probably be B
why is elemental down that far? wasnt it top tier in TWW?
petko really??? the destro lock and voker are both superior to Arcane mage? no meta? :(
u beating Bolt in a race isnt "close to 0%" mate, thats actually 0%.
Until there in another support who is physical oriented aug going to be meta or garbage and if he is meta mage going to be too and then only 1 slot is going to change from one Season to another ( or 2 with the healer)
I think Windwalker is sleeper again. I predicted it in shadowlands, no one saw WW coming, and look what happened in that expac. Their CDs are absolutely insane. Underrepresented so they just go silently by. In Dragonflight their damage was alrighty quite good, just terrible talent builds for M+. That has now been changed, and they are no longer tuned around AoE Touch of Death to just raw ability damage. Look out for WW
VDH being the best tank for over a Year in a row is just busted.
Why is every youtuber who does tier lists afraid to say something is bad? If a spec is in the bottom tier it is not "average" or "ok".... it sucks.
I said it multiple times, once we finalize the tierlist we will have S, A,B,C,D,F :)
@@peettko nah he just called destro locks boring as fuck even though they are meta.
How I hate the mechanics of the Augmentation Evoker and that it works for everything and is always tier. It's disgusting.
I don't know how many TWW tierlists I've seen but they all have the same pattern and then there's the Rogue Assassination and the Hunter Marksmanship which I think you put randomly because each tierlist is put in a different place and the other classes always agree by comparing them all.
Rogue has 3 buff on a row and now is being player its normal
Why didn't I just try fire mage when it was good... T_T
Fire mage has been one of the best specs in like 90% of seasons since basically cata. Id be shocked if blizzard doesn't re buff it it's like the main character
@@buscavaI remember during DF when their nerfed fire mage, then all the fire mage Andy’s went mental and they upped the spec 10-15% every week 😂 it was a sight to behold
@@frenchdream330 Yah I think it's probably written in the TOS somewhere that Fire Mage is never allowed to perform at too low a level lol there's no shot that it actually ends up being bad
@@buscavaThat's why you had a fire mage at the first 100 pages of raiderio :D.
It's just a design flaw in your opinion rather than a meta issue, mage fire was meta all DF.
And you could play Frost in low keys and annihilate them.
It's about scaling.
@@buscavaon wotlk was insane too
Is this just in the Beta not the pre-patch? So we won't really know how the classes play for us till release? Thanks for clarifying.
This is beta, which represents how classes play after you take their tierset and play the new dungeons. Pre patch is useless
@@peettko Thanks for explaining that!
ranking all specs for what activity?
world quests
M+
Blizzard should stop with these big numbers in changes. They are the worst company on this planet when it comes to balance so nerfing 25% is too much to handle for them.
And buffing stuff by 800%.....absurd. Does not mean changes are needed but stop these high tweaks, everything gets out of control
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Why you only talk about the top comp instead of focus on 2nd best 3nd best 4th best comps? I mean we know since seasons what is meta why repeat 15 min instead of talk what is good aswell
I spoke about 2 possible comps, I can give more examples. I think it would be a good topic to make a separate video about it
Spanking all recs
imagine being a dps with a cool ass tree and visuals like void and still have to play the trash boring healer Archon tree.....
void is still great unless your doing 20+ or top tier raiding void is fine
BM deserves last spot of DPS, easiest class to play and its ranged.
What about raiding as bdk?
Amazing choice.
Love these vids. Great content. Keep it up.
Outlaw rogue impressive? fkin hell man
My 2 mains warrior and rogue looking solid that’s all I could ask for
rogue is looking like shit dont buy this bs
Maybe ya too new to the game, but the frost dk was top sog back in cataclysm during the first couple patches.
We were talking about Mythic+, which came out in Legion (6-7 years ago), they have never been once meta
ooo boy you are clearly new otherwhise u know who peettko is.
I think the healer meta will completely depend on the tank meta. Shaman could be meta if bear tank is meta. The better mob control and interrupt I think solves the shortcomings of bear more than a paladin/druid and their healing style just compliments bear tank more as well. I think if vdh is meta then druid wins because their healing style and toolkit compliments them more and mark/brez is just too good to lose. I think with blood dk paladin might become the strongest option, their kit is likely to be better at helping them survive a oneshot which is going to be the weakness of blood at high keys.
This all assumes that the dps comp ends up being aug, mage and one more. If the comp switches to something melee heavy or aug gets another nerf then it does have the potential to completely change things. I think in a melee heavy comp shaman and bear probably still win though.
That said it really only matters for the 1% pushing high keys but sadly it does have a big trickle down effect where the ones known as terrible at high keys do get shunned often times.
As long as Aug exists its an INT comp and therefore DH will be in the group either as tank or dps but most likely tank (because you want arcane intellect on the third DPS). Any debate is nonsensical.
There can be no real meta variety until Aug is deleted. Until that its always aug+mage+spriest/warlock/ele with dh tank and resto druid. If boomer is tuned to sky it takes the third dps spot and you can get a different healer (priest or pala or shammy). But thats the only scenario. And tank class never changes.
You know destro is good if Petko uses the classic jebem mu mamu 🤣 poz iz 🇸🇮
59:55 did bro say “holy trinity Jews to the moon”? That’s very confusing.
Juice to the moon, it is a sentence we often use on our steam
I saw Bondd running Ele and looks decent.
Until the changes this past week.
It‘s fine yeah. which is why its in OK tier. Dentge
Help the poor balance druids.
Is prot pala and ret a good for tww S1
I came here for ret 😅
Yeah the current wings are bugged out so you have them pretty much for 70-80% of the dungeon, its pretty rng, sometimes could be higher than that or lower.
Buff aug
Destro so getting nerfed lol
Tanto calculo y explicación para después hacer mal toda la lista 😂
No tiene sentido la mires por donde la mires, todo mal.
Ele is looking so trash can't believe how bad
Augmentation being MANDATORY for end game content is shit design, delete the spec please.
so sick of aug being dominant. needs to be deleted.
the whole problem is casters are meta every season
PETITION TO MAKE MELEE GOOD AGAIN
But melee get the legendary. And still complaining ? Paladin and rogues where on top last season so i dont know what you saying
@@milano8929lmao
F**k the meta or what people say. Play the class and specc you like. Every specc have the potential to Play +20keys.
Its important to understand the class. And at the end we knew fire Mage is getting a S+ specc....
Well the thing is If I play the class I like I wont be getting into groups...
@@Beltwayful
If you play only with random groups it is hard to find a group, yes. But i played in season 1 of df feral druid only with random groups and at the end of the season i get a 3.1 k Rio.
Season 3 Elemental Shaman gets a B/C Tier Rank and i end with a 3.4k rio. It is hard but i love to show people that every class and specc works to get a high Rio.
@@Saskee1404 3.1 and 3.4 aren't high btw
Lol you think its fun to play your class while you always last place in dps meters ? Or nobody will take you in mythics ??
Much fun right ?
@@milano8929
OK also you dont understand M+ and Mythic Raids.
The first and most important thing is to play the mechanics. In M+ because of the affixes you have to be more focused because you have to kick, knock, Interrupt and more stuff to do. You can make tons of DMG but If no ones kicks and play mechanics you never get the key intime. And this is what i focus. Play clean and get the key intime.
And thats not my words. Thats the words from Gingi 😉
Dont see only the DMG.
Or do you think in the highes keys the Player makes the highest DMG? No. They target is to clear the Dungeon intime.
And be the last in dmg is relativ. In Shadowlands in high Keys Rogues was often last in dmg, because the aoe dmg sucks. But the single target dmg was extrem high.
Super cool dk is finally no totally garbage but brain rot frost is so good… frost isn’t fun at all like holy fk stop making it be a choice between engaging game play or a vegetables
Try playing frost instead of complaining like a bitch. The skill gap between unholy and frost isn't that much anymore.