Coleman CT 200U Gets A Torque Converter ~ Mini Bike Monday
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2017
- **Update** Coleman CVT linked below!!
Today we test out a prototype cvt for the Coleman mini bike. Hopefully these will be on the market soon. It made this Coleman come alive. We will get the camo bike all up and running so we can go on a little adventure. Don't forget to like, comment and subscribe.
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There is a 212 predator kit to put on a bicycle and since there are no videos on how to do anything to them i watch your videos. You meantion every peice and what to do with it. Keep up the good work👍
Man, your videos are so much fun! One of these days you should build a Rokon-style 2X2 minibike...
RedRants they have those actually
5/8" keyed shaft can hold up to like 15 hp according to Machinery’s Handbook. Based on Shaft size=((60xP)/N)^(1/3). P = HP and N equals RPM.
Good to know man. Thanks for the info
Great video. Love to see your two up seat build.
I tried to mount one of the on a 301 predator..let’s just say I returned it for a 212 predator and am opting for other things , so much for bigger better faster. Just wish the bigger setup was a little cheaper 🤯 . Keep up the great work bud
I think Lonnie could pop a wheelie on a unicycle!😀
dan marshall u stupid
The 305 Jaden . It was a joke because he's so lightweight he can pop wheelies on just about everything they build. I may be stupid, but everybody else seemed to understand without having to have it explained to them!
dan marshall ok
The 305 Jaden , we're cool!😊
thats a great joke
Sweet upgrade. Loved the video. You two make a great team. Very entertaining. God bless
Thanks for watching man
Red Beard's Garage I found your rock you painted. I've seen your truck around here but been busy workin haven't really been able to look it up. But you've caught my interest. Keep up the entertaining content good sir !
Can't wait for the video for seat suspension. Hope it doesn't require welding, my back is killing me from hitting the trails too hard last weekend. Still wicked fun.
I will require welding but I will try to explain a way where you can bolt it up if I can.
That little bike moves nice.. awesome
Love my series 200 Comet Tav; had to notch out part of it and moved fender stay back and kept chian guard
Bought one, picking it up in a week and I hope I enjoy it. 😬
Hey red beard quick fix for the throttle that I do is just to use a break leaver off of a old bike it works great and way better then twist throttle cheaper to
Great video! Gonna work on the zip tie tip this weekend.
Lonnie is a cool dude and a good friend.
Yes he is
I'm hoping they can build more in house CVTs in the future. There isn't much out there for 20hp+ engines besides the 780 and 94c Duster. Plus those are the only ones that'll survive above 3600 rpm without issues.
They will be making them. Their just getting all the parts lined up to put them on the market
That looks like a Comet 20 series clone, with a 5/8 to 3/4 keyed adapter. The 30 series Comet clone can be had for 53.99, not sure how much that adapter goes for though. (30 series also comes with a copper bushing for the driven pulley)
I understand why you used the washers.. but in my experence here.. stamped washers are never all the same thickness. So may wanna mic those.. just dont wanna bust a engine case.. but I doubt those engine plates are perfectly flat in those bikes anyway.. I like your square tubing idea a whole lots better. Good work. Keeping it interesting there for folks.. and yall 2 do make a good team. Kinda like Bo and Luke Duke. And thats meant as a compliment guys..
Thats where we get the jumping the driveway is from ole Bo and Luke lol. Thanks for watching man.
Man I Love your content, your so cool.
Thanks for watching man
10w30 synthetic from the get go in mine changed oil the first hour, then 20 hours now every 25 hours as I push it pretty hard most the time lol
I.was just at Go power sports . It's a good one stop place if you need several different things. A little pricey but you know what you're getting . .plus they got some cool machines up there
We love GPS! They're a good company & good people we can stand behind!!!
Is that a 50cal ammo box on the front rack? I was thinking of doing the same to mount light and put battery in. Sweet build, love the channel. I've subscribed.
Great video. You inspired me to get a torque converter for my sons CT200U. Quick question...why cut the bike...can’t you cut the torque converter plate that mounts to the side of the engine? Thank you so much.
Hey, red beard, really drank the cool aid on mini bikes lately. Question: Just installed the CT200 torque converter 5/8th shaft. I noticed on the GPS vid no bronze bushing also, I did not receive one either. If i have no problem with idle take off is it ok and/ or will I get more belt wear. Thanks, love your vids.
Hey RBG I'm waiting on the cvt to be in stock at GPS but I have a question. Can I use the one with the 5/8 crank shaft adapter. this is an upgrade right, I don't have to get the 3/4 version. I have the new ct200u. Thanks I know you got other stuff going than my questions, but your my RUclips Bud even though we never met,, haha thanks for the info you share Bro it is appreciated!!
Red change the oil every 10 hrs or 50 miles off road with full synthetic. Just do it don't ask why. You know the answer my mini bike friend.
Just ordered bike we’ll see soon enough how much fun it is
So???? Got an update?
On the CT 200 U, it is not necessary to completely remove the cross brace with the bracket for the chain guard, or to toss the chain guard. Leave about four inches of the cross brace behind the torque converter, coming up from the frame tube. Drill hole clear through the four inch brace butt, about 3/4 inch from cut end. Cut off about one inch from the front end of the chain guard, just back of the front mounting hole. Drill new hole in front of the chain guard. Use cut off piece with old hole as guide. Straighten chain guard if misshapened while cutting. Make a metal bracket to run from brace butt to new hole in chain guard. Drill holes in each end of bracket. Assemble using bolts and nuts of proper size. I bent the new bracket so it could be mounted in back of the brace butt (chain side). Then bent the upper part of the bracket, away from the chain to ensure enough clearance for the nut in the back of the front of the chain guard. Nothing like having a chain guard where one was supposed to be.
Factory engine has idle speed set at around 1740 rpm. That is because the engine came with a centrifugal clutch. Belt of torque converter doesn't engage until 2200 rpm. First reset idle to around 600-800 rpm. Shut off engine.
Disassemble the drive pulley. The final piece that is keyed on the crankshaft, kind of squarish looking with a heavy bead the full length of each "corner"? That is the part the moving half of the drive pulley rides on. The inner nose of that keyed piece that contacts the crankshaft - machine about one thousandth inch from that face. Then find shims no larger in diameter than that facing of the crank shaft. Play with the shims, put on one at a time against that facing of the crankshaft, and reassemble pulley. Fire up the engine with rear wheel off the ground. You want the belt to not engage or barely engage at idle. Shut the engine off. Add more shims or remove shims until belt does not engage, or barely engages at idle. Shut off engine. Place rear wheel on ground. Restart engine. Hang on to handle bars. If belt does not engage at idle, but does engage just above idle, that is about right. You will know it is right, if when the wheel was off the ground, the belt just barely engaged. But when the engine was started with the rear wheel on the ground the belt did not engage at idle.
Set up this way, the torque converter gives you much smoother starts from a standing start, compared to the standing starts from the 1740rpm and 2200 engagement of the factory set up. You will actually have a broader throttle range.
But if you have boosted the power of your engine, you are on your own. My suggestion is only for original factory engine.
Lovin the vids
Hey RBG! Have you guys tried any type of overdrive lockout bushings in the TC to bring the top end rps up higher? Seems like they all top out around 40-45 regardless of how much power/torque the motor is outputting due to the drive pulley going into OD. Juggernaut improves it but without spending another $90 on it, I’m gonna try a bike stem and see if it starts chewing up belts or not
Great video. You should do a gearbox video.
My CT200U came with a 3/4" shaft, I think it depends upon when they were manufactured.
+WK 1000 yeah the older ones had it
Can you tell me how you mounted the gun box to the front? I wanna do the same on the back.
Do you think the motor could be converted to take the green Coleman propane bottles?
Would y’all suggest a tav kit with stock carb and “stage1” kit first, or go with a mikuni 22mm and an exhaust first?
I guess I will be waiting for GPS to get their tc ready for sale.
God bless spread his word!
I took my stock 200 ex out pig hunting. Tons of fun but on the steep mountain climbs it just didn't have enough power. So I've swapped in a Predator 212 (3/4" shaft), installed a TAV2 torque converter and added a set of pegs (located about where we cut off the stabilizer bar) to stand on, putting more weigh over the drive wheel and stabilizing the bike during steep hill climbs. I also pulled the charging stator and flywheel off the original Coleman engine. Everything fit perfectly and I still have power to the headlight. I haven't had a chance to go climbing yet, but the bike has a ton more power, acceleration is smoother and there isn't a screaming centrifugal clutch between my legs. I now need to upgrade the breaks... any ideas? Steep descents are a white knuckle experience and a bit dangerous!!
You gotta make sure the belt lines up with both pulleys on the torque converter? If not you will go threw belts more frequently right???
"Gee Mister,you're hair grew back fast"...From 2020.My gosh.You guys would step back in shock,it you saw Today's RBG.Congratulations!(surgeryWeds,thought today Monday.You guys with hair and beard.Eek)
Can u put an amazon link for washers that u use on predator torque converter spacing on crankshaft please. I cant find here in ct. Ones i got from home cheapo are very loose on shaft, not fit as urs do in videos?
13, a good number.
good job
yup
Since I have a hawg ty bike with a 212 pacific hydrostar engine im not sure if a torque converter would work on it
You guys know that there is a big mini show started getting going on the coast here in mississippi. I am working on getting a ride going here in mid Mississippi for mini bikes.
Did you get this done
Hey RBG, Love your videos! I've searched but, I cant find the video where you show exactly how to use the zip tie on the govenor spring. Can you please give me a link? There is others out there but, I don't trust them. Thank you!
You mentioned using the charging coil to charge a battery, just a heads up it puts out around 8 volts AC. I thought about doing the same thing but it needs a rectifier to convert the output to DC. I'm pretty excited about this torque converter kit. I was starting to think they had scrapped the project since they haven't mentioned it for months. Did they give you an estimated release date for it?
They are not sure on the date it will be for sale yet. I will keep you posted as I know.
Sorry I ask the question before I finished watching the video. Like I said, I'm a little excited about it. hahaha Great video btw!
How much of a difference is there in frame and tires from a Coleman 200U and a BT200X?
What size are the bolts that hold the torque converter to the engine? Also what size bolts are needed after raising the engine 1"?
Will Baja forks fit on a Colman ct200u frame?
Have the converter on hand, just waiting on the shaft adapter.
Could try building a springer type front end on the red one! Easier than folks.
Should have been forks! ( spell check)
Yeah im going to look at a few designs to figure out the best option
Just got my first mini bike project this week! Been debating it for a while, but after watching RBG Karts for weeks i was convinced! Taking out the 2.5hp and putting in a predator 212! How long will a 212 engine run with normal wear and tear?!
2-3 years more if you give it tlc
Hold up aren't there already premade 1" spacers you can find at places like Tractor Supply or about any hardware shop? Welding washers seems like overkill
My local Co-op was sold out so I used washers
Hey Red
Few videos ago you said you loved ya red mini bike when u first got it ???
The honeymoon over on the red one ...Lol lol
Joe...
I've watched all yalls videos and I cant decide between the red one or the camo one! I plan on upgrading which one would ya. Recommend if you went to get another one!?
camo one for sure
So I actually ended up buying one for my wife (I just wanted both) lol so now we have red and camo one now time to start adding parts definitely need the suspension for the red one
just purchased a ct200 ex.
what would the best setup be the 60 tooth sprocket and torque converter only or should
i get the airflow upgrade also?
These CVTs, aka torque converters, theoretically should be superior to the factory jack-shaft setup. Assuming there is no belt slip, it should start at a 3:1 ratio and spin up to a 1:1 ratio. The factory jack-shaft is a fixed 2:1 ratio. I’m would like to see the speed comparison between the two on a mini bike equipped with the stock jack-shaft.
@ or about 7:00 you stated your cutting off a cross brace that adds sssoooooooooooooo much more rigid . and structural integrity . if its in the way move motor to comp. for it, or find a spot to weld the cross member back in somewhere that it fits....you need it!!!!!! BRO. you dont look lite....lol not to mention the added torque with the better motor ......
all my bikes used to have plastic milk crates like that.....then i saw a an article saying somebody got arrested for using a milk crate.....now i only use the fruits crates from mexico.....they look very similar to milk crates, but they are flimsy
What is the top speed lookin like with the torque converter?
I did the mod you guys showed me and I get 30 mph out of my coleman ct200u ex
On my Coleman ct200u i run the predator 212 22 lb spring performance cam cvt no gov. jetted carb and im Flying... i need a new header/muffler and one of those sprockets you have. absolutely ridiculous
thaprodig cee do you have any videos of it bro? I’m thinking about getting one of these for my niece for Christmas
The washer addiction
why not use nuts that are just a hair large for the engine mount bolts instead of just washers?
Take your twist throttle off the handle bar and add a brake lever instead for your gas lot easier to pull than to turn and get more power....I never use that twist throttle take off as soon as get new motor bike..
On all the videos putting torque converters on they all raise the motor. I am wondering about something maybe you can answer for me. On the mounting plate there are a few options for the mounting holes . That makes it look like you could use different mounting holes and not have to raise the motor. You used the middle hole. looks like you could use one of the ones next to it which look like they are on the same bolt hole cercal. I would think it would change the angle of the converter maybe enough to not hit the frame. It would make the chain be at a different angle going to the back tire. So basically instead of being mounted at 4 o'clock it would be at like 3 o'clock. The only thing that I could maybe see being an issue is the exhaust might hit the converter. I am only going by what I can see in the videos but have been wondering since I saw the first video. If you understand what I am saying do you think that would work? No matter what I cant wait until I can buy one of these!
I threw one of these on mine ct200uex and it scares the hell out of me way to touchy on the throttle
Ive was thinking about getting a couple of these bike so me and the old lady can just ride around camp sites and stuff. My question is we are both in our mid 50s and lm about 275LB not looking for a speed record but if we kept them on roads and simple trail is my wait going to be a problem
No sir it will pull you without a problem
Hey. I installed this torque converter on my coleman and I'm having a issue with it engaging. It works but I definitely lost acceleration and top end speed. Not sure what the issue could be. Its brand new from go power sports.
Check your sprockets
Why don’t you only have 157k subs you should have more
Where did you get the red cover for the filter on red bike
Hey Red
Go get yourself a pint of 25% nitro model airplane fuel
Put half pint in and fill gas tank
The model fuel has castor oil in it so engine top end be well lubed with a touch of nitro. In fuel...
Joe
I bought a camo supersized massimo mb200cc and i need to know how to make it a little faster but on a budget.😬
Take the governor out(free) and buy 18lbs springs ($10.00) that will get you fling.
A what's up man just a quick question can we use trufuel 4 cycle engineered fuel on the ct200
Yes most definitely bro'
So I put on a new 212 predator and cvt but the sprockets don't align for the chain when engine mounted in stocks engine mount holes on frame. Any suggestions? Need help
Would you recommend to buy a Coleman ct100u trail mini bike
Did u take the Governor out
You get all your parts at the flea market?
Do u have to move the motor sideways any or just up
With just the converter upgrade how how fast is the mini bike vs the stock set up
Probably 30mph. It doesn't make a huge difference on top end. The real difference is take off.
Hey red beard love the videos and I have a 212cc and it will not pull at all I tried everything. What do u think is wrong with it thanks
Probably your gear ratio. Have you check it to see what you are running?
Red Beard's Garage i am running everything stock. The motor will not pull at all
Well check gear ratio
Red Beard's Garage ok is there a video on gear ratio and thank you for ur time and help
What’s your opinion on installing the torque converter without lifting the engine by cutting a small amount off the converter plate?
Right i wanna know too
I had one of these Colemans but after I left it sitting for a few months I couldn't get it to run right, it would idle rough and die when I gave it gas. I cleaned the carb multiple times and even replaced it when that didn't work. Didn't change anything. I think it must've been an electrical issue. I sold it.
Which is better for a person looking to ride a mini bike in the neighborhood and cruising around on trails ct200u or ct200uex
+2K Cheese ex is in my opinion a way better bike
hi red beard, i have ct200u trail and i need a new chain tensioner, but idk which one is the right one, can you help me please?
Where can i get the 5/8 to 3/4 crank adapter
Red Beard's Garage how do I know which serial number is the old one? And when we're they thinking about releasing it?
You will just have to google it. Im not sure what the exact numbers are
Lonnie needs to send me that hat. Lol
We will be doing some more hats soon on rbgkarts.com
Red Beard's Garage I was talkin about the red Tennessee hat he had on. Lol
Lol he got that at a local baseball teams stadium
Red Beard's Garage Ive seen people making the state flag in alot of different colors. Most of them are pretty neat. That red is really awesome, especially on a hat. I reckon I'm gonna try to find me one somewhere. Lol
red beard I live Humboldt TN ; a little bit of a drive, but y'all need a machine shop in that area? Looking to move and maybe start a shop somewhere in TN.
There is some a few towns away but I don't know who I can trust. A lot of them are shady.
Of all the videos I've watched on youtube I'm always amazed at how many people DON'T have any machinery. Even for misc. spacers and bushings........ it's better than a angle grinder and drill. I have a full machine shop at home and do it for a living, but even a couple benchtop units would beat stacking washers.
Fun videos to watch though. Keep it up RBG!
Will adding the intake and converter kits boost the speed of a ct200u?
Evidently these feckers don't answer questions!
What size nut and bolt do u use after you put spacers on im stumped keep buying wrong nut amd bolt
Ily
So if I put a torque converter on the predator, I just remove the clutch and shorten the chain?
Basically,yes.Make sure the Inside edges of the 2 pulleys line up,by spacing with washers behind, sorta like he did.
shouldnt the inside of the motor pulley line up with the back pulley?
Yeah
well it wasnt just wondering thanks
Glad this was 5 years ago ... using power tools on 10 mm in white metal friends you're crazy.....
Hey, do you guys know if you can fit a predator 301 in a ct200u with a torque converter. I think the motor is too long but im not sure.
It should fit with some modification
Hello Red Beard: Do they by chance make a torque converter for 10hp coleman tapered engine. If so please steer me in the right direction.
Add a Capacitor to the Charging coil and the flicker just about goes away. A large enough capacitor it probably would.
DO YOU MEAN PUT THE CAPACITOR INLINE WITH THE PSOITIVE ? Sorry bout the caps.
@@josdedam 35v or better 2000mf yes on the pos side. Have fun and be lighted.
Will the torque conveter back plate come with the torque converter. And also, do you think it will hurt the crankshaft since its too small?
I don't think it will hurt it any and yes it will be a full kit
Do you have spare foot pegs