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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- On this episode of Something To Wrestle, Bruce and Conrad cover one of the most requested topics in STW history. It's The Legend vs. The Icon. It's SummerSlam 2005! Highlighted by Hogan vs. Michaels in the main event, this card is LOADED! Batista vs. JBL in a No Holds Barred Match for the World Title, Rey vs. Eddie in a Ladder match for custody of Dominik, Orton vs. Undertaker, Jericho vs. Cena, and so much more!
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Hogan saying he lost more than he won is laughable. He refused to put Bret over which hurt business for years. Didn't put Shawn over, or a 26 year old randy Orton. I'm not a hogan fan, he's extremely selfish.
Show actually starts at 10:10
10:10
You're the *G.O.A.T*
You da real MVP!
@@adam-thesportsguy6147 me. Adam?
The HBK Hulk match was perfect.
It’s exactly what you would expect.
Hulk was selfish so HBK was unprofessional.
Ironically had it been 3 matches, none of them would have been as memorable as the 1 we got.
It brought out who they have known for.
"Thunderdome, what a cool name!" Yeah, it was cool, when it was used in the movie of the same name almost 40 years ago.
Also, kind of weird, but Bruce morphed with Shawn Michaels looks kind of like Jericho.
sort of reminds me of Jeff Cobb.
a huskier version of him.
Right...kinda funny.
I love Conrad: "...What are you doing? I'm trying to put over your Bullsh!t Thunderdome!"..LOL Priceless
This was a great show. I loved this show. In my mind, Hogan vs Shawn 1 had set the bar so high that I dont think doing more matches would have been the best. Matt was so brought back for a couple of reasons, 1. to capitalize on real life stuff thanks to Stephanie and 2, pressure from fans.
Shawn Prichard in the thumbnail looks exactly like CHRIS JERICHO
Agreed!! Brother's from another Mother? 😂😂 #lolz
What about Conrad Steiner on the left? Also Shawn Prichard's eyes may explain the WWE's booking in 2005 (Hassan/Daivari, Kerwin White, Road Warrior Heidenreich et al)...
🤣🤣🤣
Damn you ain't lyin
Lmao he does 🤣🤣🤣
"I ain't scared of shit!"
Yes you are, Conrad. You've been afraid to say anything negative about Meltzer since episode 1 🤣
rey mysterio has been involved in two of the most ridiculous wrestlecrap angles with the absolute best matches.
usually bad angles, means bad matches.
Laughed out loud at 'Yeah he won his son back'
Hogan was ok with putting over the likes of Brock, Undertaker, kurt Angle and The Rock for example but never wanted to go 1on1 with Austin (who might have been the biggest draw ever) and he never wanted to put over wrestlers who were considered "the best Wrestler of their generation like Flair, Bret or Shawn". Not knocking him, just found it interesting
God Bruce will defend anything
It was vince's call thats the truth .
Stooge Prichard is a proven conman, fraud and liar. Dave Meltzer has exposed and owned him multiple times.
Is Bruce Prichard serious about the stuff he says about Michaels not being disrespectful to Hogan with his overselling?
I thought Hogan deserved it, I was on Shawn's side...
Will to bad for HBK 😂 he lost clean 😂
he did the same to diesel at WM 11.
Hogan wouldn't put him over so Hogan deserved it
@@JJA1987 and HBK desevred to lose clean and cry about it . i love it 😂😂😂
If you skip ahead and press between each of the yellow commercial tabs, as you pass them they will disappear without showing a commercial then just start the video over without any of the commercials.
Too many commercials. Disgusting
@@Phantusa I wouldn't know I'm not a cheap loser who can't afford to spend $10 for RUclips premium. If you don't like commercials, then pay for RUclips premium.
5 commercials in 10 minutes
6 in 12
I PAID TEN?!
I was looking forward to this episode, but I’m seriously disappointed at how little actually got covered.
I really wanted to hear about why these things happened the way they did, the fallout afterwords, etc.
This episode barely scratched the surface, and just stopped there.
I don’t think it’s completely fair to say people have to pay for a subscription to adfreeshows (not that it’s not worth the money) to hear Bruce actually go in depth on the topic that was promised for THIS show.
Not a great look on this one.
The Shawn Hogan stuff starts around 1:51:00
Why just go to that timestamp if you don't listen to the bits and pieces sprinkled throughout?
@@therealjcon he put that for people like me, who have heard the show already and want to go back and hear that specific part. and i thank him for it!
Thumbs up every time before I even hear it... I’ve never been disappointed
Don't blame HBK for not putting on his best match ever against Hogan only to lose. If the sole purpose of the match is to prove who's the best, Shawn shouldn't have to lose either.
The best at what? Wrestling or drawing money? At the end of the day, Vince was all about the money. Shawn wasn't a draw. Hogan was. Doesn't matter how many flips and dives you can do if you can't get people to buy a ticket. Hogan was at one time, the best at making money for Vince. Can't say the same about HBK.
@@Rschr101 He checks more off of the list. Drawing isn't so clearcut either. If you define it as bringing people in as champ, obviously Hogan wins. But Shawn put the "wrestling" in WWE, was entertaining as hell on the mic and with such confidence, had huge singles and tag success for 25 years, and from 2002-2010 carried the company when big time players went down.
I was really hoping that they would cover Vince’s thought on Michaels overselling. Or what happened backstage after the match. In fact, Michaels overselling was briefly covered and it is the whole reason that this match was memorable.
Well according to the Ruthless Aggression episode on peaCOCK, there was nothing abnormal with his selling, he sold the big boot the way it should be, and no one would change anything about it. #gaslighting
Bruce is such full of crap!!!! Hbk was definitely over selling!! You can see hulk getting mad!!!
Stop it. Just
Like how HBK put himself on the same pedestal as Hogan.. HBK was lucky Hall and Nash left in 96 or he'd still be wrestling Tatanka
William S: lol in 96 HBK won the RR by last eliminating Nash then known as Diesel, won the WWF Title by defeating Bret Hart in a great Iron Man match at WM12, then successfully retained it against Diesel at the following IYH ppv. All this might’ve happened by the time Nash planned to leave but it definitely also happened while he was still in the company. Plus HBK brought Nash to the WWF in 93. HBK was and still is highly regarded as one of the best in the ring, even going back to WM8 in 92 where Heenan said he’ll be the star of the 90s. And he was. He would’ve been whether Nash & Hall were in WWF or not
This is were cena sux chants started. It took triple h the same time to cover booker mania 19 as beniot whole match. Hardy lost to edge then moved smackdown and lost to jbl and bogeyman. Orton taker fueded the whole yr. Hussain was meant to win title. There was video of Scott hall watching the hbk match saying he was annoying hogan but cant find it. Hbk said he poked bear all day
Can you do a show about Eugene?
This episode was very disappointing! I know there is more details between hbk & Hogan that bruce isn't revealing, I think he's scared of the backlash he would face if he disrespected the show stopper again 😒
Hogan had cat-like reflexes in that match 😝😂
For as long as I live I will never forget being in Section 112 of the (then) Verizon Center for this show. Cena vs Jericho is/was BY FAR the loudest crowd I have ever been a part of in my life. How divided was the crowd? I was chanting "Let's go Jericho" while my wife chanted "Let's go Cena". Yes, we're still married :D What a show!
Lies. 🤥
At Hogan's age, he should not have gone over HBK. Or they each win one, but what the fuck do I know lol
Not many people remember or even know, but the reward for winning the first Super Bowl was custody of Vince Lombardi's children.
Ah, my first SummerSlam, I don't know if it's just the nostalgia goggles or what, but I really like this show.
Prichard VS Meltzer is starting to become Pac/Biggie 2020.
As in THE Chad Hogan
This is the best episode
Oh yea?
47:58 Shawn was so tanned that Eric Bischoff would've booked him to win at Starrcade '97 😂😂😂
Man I wish they had time to answer the fans questions about this Summerslam
I'm glad hbk did what he did! Hogan had it coming!
And im glad that he didnt get what he wants ( the win ) he lost clean and i love it 😂😂 poor HBK fan boy still crying from 2005 to 2020 😂
Did what? Prove he was still a crybaby? Michaels was a big baby and Hogan drew more money in his worst year than HBK did for his entire run. Doesn't matter how many somersaults Michaels did. He never drew money like the Hulkster. Never did, never will.
Hogan is always up to something
Stop it man . Bruce said it in the End it was vince's call ^^not hogan's
@Bryan Mack yes bret did cuz Nash talks about it . But did HBk said that the finish was Hogan'S CALL !?? NO ^^
Hogan is no worse than any other wrestler who has been a star.
Hogan is at the very top of holding talent down and all that other shit in the business
@@JJA1987 Who?
Anyone who says Michaels wasn't an asshole when he returned in 2002, point to this match and try to say he was a changed man
Are you serious? Comapred the dozens and dozens of stories pre 2002 of Shawn and the 1 story post and you think anywhere, logically, that they are the same person, plus all the people, who have nothing to gain from saying so, say he was changed? He's a Christian, not perfect.
Plus, as if that weren't enough, Hogan was the one politicking, not Shawn. Hogan just wanted to keep beating Shawn, which made no sense from any perspective. Hogan was a part timer at best while Michaels was full time have some of the greatest matches of his career.
@@mattm7798 I am as serious as Shawn Michaels who said he was pissed and wanted to make Hulk look bad. Why did you bring religion into this?
But we will leave it to you because you know him as a Christian apparently. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jamesf791 I brought up his Christianity because you said he hadn't changed. The "change" was he became a Christian. I probably won't convince you he changed, but you might want to look at the people who ACTUALLY know him who said he changed...instead of your own opinion based on a single match in 2005.
@@mattm7798 well as I stated before, you know he changed. I just bring up that he said he didn't. Who should I believe his own words or you?
@@jamesf791 When did Shawn say he hasn't changed? Saying he acted childishly for 1 match =/= him not changing.
This is the worst the adds have ever been. It's taken me 3 days to listen. It's literally every 2 or 3 minutes
It's very annoying to have an add literally every 2 minutes
"I've lost more matches than I won"...tell that to every guy that wrestled in WWF from '84-'90
He never lost to triple H, the rock was already over without needing to be put over by a 49-year-old hogan. Now he did lose more in WCW than he did in WWF but he's certainly won more matches than he lost
That "49 year old Hogan" came back and dwarfed The Rock's reactions and as a heel, technically speaking and at Wrestlemania. The problem with his WWF run in the 80's is that he was the top guy. Obviously he's going to win because the company was based around Hogan, the top draw. He lost more WCW, where he was prior to coming back. I'm not defending Hogan but come on now. Look at the context. That's a direct reference to his WCW career. Everyone knows Hogan won more in the 80's. As far as Triple H is concerned, now we care about Triple H? First it's Triple H burying guys but now "Hogan never lost to Triple H" Come on now, really? Hogan was more over than both of them during that time. Both Shawn and Hogan are notorious for being insecure. Who cares?
Hogan actually said he has lost more matches than he won in “ The last 15 years” which is true. He put alot of people over when he came back in 02. I think this was both a Shawn and Hogan ego issue. This match could of been alot more special.
@@shanehart1520 it was an ego issue. And in the last 15 years ok sure, because 15 years ago he was in his 50s and I hope in his head he wasnt thinking of going over in his matches. I agree that match could have been dope with Shawn being the dick heel and taking bumps for hogan. And a 2 out of 3 could have worked. Even 2 matches and maybe have a heel team interfere thus turning shawn face again and reaming with hogan. And you could have had the backstop of hogan not trusting Shawn this time
@@coresan9956 It was the right time for him to put people over. He was the top heel in WCW and he reinvented himself as well. He was white hot during the 80's. It didn't make sense for him to put people over like he did in WCW as the Champ and top draw. It's 3 different eras.
Dont lie hogan hater . Hogan did lose to triple H and he lost clean go watch it on the network
Awesome! Been waiting on this one. 👍
Keller saying Michael's deserved a win over Hogan more than guys like Rock or Austin is laughable. Work rate does not equal ratings or more importantly, money. Michael's didnt draw money. He was a great worker, sure. But a box office star like Austin or Rocky, Shawn was not. Hogan is the Babe Ruth of wrestling. He drew more money than anybody besides Austin. Hulk earned the right to call the shots by being the guy who sold the tickets.
I don't know why Conrad even bothers asking about anything critical involving the McMahons or anybody that Bruce obviously has to only say good things about. This show was light-years better before Bruce went back (he still kissed ass, but at least wouldn't defend Stephanie big timing Dusty Rhodes).
Like Kevin Sullivan said your Name is Hulk Hogan you should go over.
We need a Tatanka episode. Fuck being politically correct Bruce!! Thats what's hurting American. Nothing will beat the 80's and 90's.
I want to know what the Meltzer notes that Bruce found said. I'm guessing Meltzer called WON fans "marks"
Stooge Prichard is a proven conman, fraud and liar. Dave has exposed and owned him multiple times.
@@MattSingh1 Meltzer is that you?
@@MattSingh1 lol, right....
Can’t wait to hear Bruce try defend this shit
Hogan like it or not should've lost this match vs Shawn and the next year vs Randy - But of course his Ego never allows it
Why dont you just shut up . 55 years old undertaker beat AJ with one move clean in the saudi event , with one move !!?? And he beat him agian at mania 36 and guys like you gave him a passss . Why dont you shoot on his ago Mr Smart mark.
@@Aizenborgman You STFU - I'm a Smart Mark for telling the truth
Nah. HbK was over the hill too. The bigger name and draw one the match. Hogan drew more money than anybody besides Austin and since the feud wasn't going anywhere after this match, Hulk went over. Michaels never drew money, no matter how many somersaults and dives he took. Hogan was the man and showed who the real professional was in this match. Michaels should be embarrassed of this performance.
@@Rschr101 👏👏 your the man
@@JJA1987 truth in your bu**
Conrad is the best
Conrad has no problem with Kane’s completely unrealistic back story but you have an issue with with the custody one while there’s a legit story about a love triangle!!!?? That’s like Corny hating the Cena angle where he got stabbed in the club yet he was in the business when HBK got the hell beat out of him!!
Good. Greg
Shawn's objective was to ruin the match and he did with the over selling. Then Hogan getting color in a cartoony match made it even worse!
I was live at the show and it was a great experience.
But my friends watched on PPV and they told me their reaction to Shawn's overselling:
"Look at what he's doing?! Well...I guess Hogan is going over!" lol
what is with the MIDROLLS????
The Night where Hassan would have defeated Batista and become the World Champion.
Looking forward to this one. I asked like a million questions lol
Hopefully one gets picked
Hope they werent all oversell oversell oversell
So Steph should ve known everything about sullivan and rhodes...but what about otherwise? Could they told Steph what she did in the company the last 5-10 years? And that should rather be the case if you want to work for her or them!
I gotta admit the hogan vs Shawn match was hilarious 😂
We haven't even started on Summslam yest and Meltzer has Connie half hot already.
When Bruce said he found something, I was so hoping it was that plastic bag I mentioned a couple weeks ago.
Thanks, Bruce.
FDM
@@danielescalera6638 wat??
@@abcsin6526 it's Eric and Bruce's motto
@@danielescalera6638 ok but wat is full form
@@danielescalera6638 Stooge Prichard is a proven conman, fraud and liar. Dave has exposed and owned him multiple times. Also, Dave is a pioneer and hall-of-famer, whereas you're a typical anti-Meltzer smark.
Really intrigued about that untold Tatanka story
@Bryan Mack 48:40 Bruce implies it would take hours to explain
Bruce is so lame and such a kiss ass to Vince.
Would love to hear an Andre the Giant episode
YES!
Hogan faced Angle back at king of the ring 2002.
And put him over. Hogan the man.
@@Rschr101 he didnt put hunter over
Conrad that’s almost all movie villains lmao
Nooooo don’t say how full o shit the cheesy melts guy is .... oh pls.... BRuuyccee my pal gets hot at me for letting this out 😂😂🤣
Ffs just discuss something! Literally just skimming over notes. Take a tangent and get Bruce to elaborate on SOMETHING
As a hogan fan I liked the match. It was a classic Hogan match.
What I didn't really care for was the finish...
Shawn Michaels hits Hogan with a chair, drops the top rope elbow on him, and super kicks him.
And then hogan kicks out 😲🤨🤔⁉️
Just didn't make sense to me. I think that was too much damage for even Hogan to kick out of.
Then Hogan spends 30 seconds looking for crowd approval, before hitting the leg drop.
It just really pushed my suspension of disbelief.
However overall i enjoyed the match.
I remember the raw after this where jericho got fired and was carried away. i remember laughing so hard at it, but the message boards went nuts. People were saying how can they treat jericho this way. The wwe is the worst company in the world. How horrible. Everyone should boycott. It was a work and it was jericho's idea. He had to come out and say hey everyone calm down it was my idea. On a side note, i noticed there was no tag team matches on this summerslam.
It shows the state of tag teams in 05 that the 2 biggest shows of the year (Summerslam and Wrestlemania) neither had a tag team match on the show in any form.
@@daleharris3809 who was tag champs?
i think michaels should have beat hogan at this event years earlier i would have got that hogan would go over but not in 05
Nah, HBK was over the hill too. At the end of the day, Hogan was the bigger name and the feud wasn't going anywhere after this. The better and bigger name won. Hogan was the man. Michaels could only dream of drawing and making the kind of money Hulk did.
@@Rschr101 I wasn't talking about drawing I was looking at it as hogan was the 80s michaels the 90s and orton in the 2000 hogan should have lost to both at that point if the matches were 10 years earlier then I could see hogan going over plus michaels and orton both better weestlers then hogan , hogan was better as a showman
One of the best shows ever
Why do I get the impression that these STWW podcasts are winding down? They both sound like they cba and it shows at start. Love it or call it a day boys
Spirit Squad was the year after...
Conrad never misses A chance to cape for Stephanie
And you wouldn't?
@@Rschr101 I'd let A few pass lol.
Dolph was a caddy first. Than a cheerleader
He also said why not put hogan angle ppv they did a few yr before
1:34:48 zelina Vega punching the air right now
Jesus christ, we all knew it before that Bruce will tow the company line and have this weird worshipping and backing of Shawn Michaels, to the point where all the shit we heard obviously never happened {shawn's pitfalls and attitude problems and all the backstage drama] the way Bruce talks about him, but hearing him actually trying to sell Shawn Michael's bumping as not disrespectful broke the dam, it's obvious, vince, bruce shawn had a threesome, or had some weird 3 way relationship
Conrad: "Wayfair - I don't need human trafficking...."
Lol lol lol lol
Hulkamania ❤💛
Whenever I see the 100 ads I'm gonna just skip past all that content and listen after that's fucked up
If you listen to the show instead of always fast forwarding, you wouldn't see as many ads.
I think the Matt Hardy vs Edge Feud was one of the worst and backwards booked storylines I've seen.
I’ve always heard that the plan was to have Matt come out on top and become a top babyface, but the terrible worked shoot promo he cut (where he said that he wanted Edge to die in a car wreck) and Edge’s response to that promo a week later (which is looked at as the promo that pushed him into the main event) caused Vince to lose all confidence in Matt and that’s why Edge squashed him
In that pic Bruce looks like a gay version of Chris jericho
So why isn't he Dominic Guerrero on Raw then if he is Eddie's son?
Wasn’t Kerwin White like 3 years before the spirt squad did Conrad get Dolph s characters backwards?
Yes he did. Dolph's caddy gimmick was BEFORE Spirit Squad by one year.
Let’s be realistic here they were never going to get an even series of matches from Hogan and Michaels. They were lucky to get this one match and you can see how that went down it was like pulling teeth. Two of the biggest egos and locker room political forces going head to head something had to give. Either of these guys could have written a book on how to lose matches without really putting your opponents over.
51:56 what the fuck was that?!
Fucking 20th if hadent listens first would of been one ffs lol
Tidbits 🤔
Doesn't matter how terrible the idea is, if Vince came up with it Bruce supports it. Hell he even come up with BS to defend it #PuckerUPbrucy
Wouldn't it would of been so much better to have the classic 80's style HOGAN vs (insert heel here) match. No overselling, Next night Shawn cuts the same exact promo - Hogan is seething have match #2 at Survivor Series - goes at a draw. Then have the rubber band match @ next years WM where of course Shawn finally beats him? But then again wth do I know?
Listening to Bruce defend awful creative like Eddie and RM here doesn't bode well for WWE's future.
Shawn was great in the ring. His other unique ability was that his promos got under the skin of his opponents in a genuine way.
I'm gonna start this off by saying Bret Hart is one of the best of all time, top three in any serious fan's discussion. He gave his life for the business. I'll admit I'm a little biased because I'm a Texas boy, but Shawn walking down to the ring in a suit and pink tie, yelling "Who's your daddy, Montreal?" and then the promo that followed, is my favorite promo of all time. Just like Conrad eluding to Wade Keller's write up in the torch, it was a throwback to the old arrogant Shawn, but without being unnecessarily crude or obscene. The man was born again, straight and narrow, but for those ten minutes, the cocky, arrogant primadonna who ran his mouth off to the wrong marine that night in Syracuse, and alienated the entire locker room sans the Kliq in the mid to late 90s.
Agreed. shows you can cut a great "edgy" promo" without going in the gutter. I think some people want to dislike Shawn so much they will latch on to ANY slip up on his part post 2002 and say "See, see, he hasn't changed". To those people I say "look in the mirror pal...Shawn was a Christian, not perfect. He definitely changed but still had the same drive he did before and is human. Honestly, throw out all the testimony of friends and his almost entire body of work post 2002...the fact that he only won the title once, for less than 30 days post 2002 tells you he changed."
"If you go back and look at my career, I've probably lost more matches than I've won..."
There's no way Hulk Hogan said that with a straight face.
DOOT, DOOT, DOOT, SUNNY MADE A POOT 💨🙊
Was this Hogan's last WWE match?
No. The next year or two he beat the so called legend killer like he beat his granddaddy and his dad.
I wouldn't make fun of Pole Matches when I'm the one behind the shitty creative on TV today like "Retribution" and fantastic characters like Mantaur, The Goon, TL Hopper, etc... but that's just me
Shut up. Pedro
PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE do 2005 JAPAN SHOW RAW
#AdFullBarf 🤮
This full said a domoniq on. A pole match
First time ever I am really disappointed with your podcast.
All the trash read about Hogan from the news letters, not once did Bruce comment on that. The things he commented on was the out come of the match, what was planned etc. It felt like Bruce did not want to comment quite frankly. But that is just me
i felt the same way.... its not good.....bad job by conrad
@@sxhbk I am really not a Hogan hater, but it would have been nice if Bruce would have addressed all the dirt sheet writings occurring. He did with some, a few, but not much at all. So the question remains, who was difficult to deal with, and why? How much as accurate in the news letters?
Poor podcast and totally agree. Maybe best days are behind this now. Bruce won't move from his fench