Elon Sets RoboTaxi Unveil for August 8th!
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Agree completely. FSD is no where near prime time.
Impressive tech but very far from ready for taking legal liability from the driver.
You should tell that to tesla, clearly you know better
@@h20dancing18 Progress is being made and the more they convince people its just around the corner the more money they get and the more data they have to work with. Still i think we are a long way away (like 10-20 years)
@@ccibinelprogress? It's not even level 3. Impressive? Maybe. Unpredictable? Most definitely and the fact they got rid of sensors (still dumb decisions imo) still trying to figure how BMW beat them
@@h20dancing18 I don’t know any better. I’m a fan of FSD and really want it to succeed. No one of except Tesla will solve it. Go Tesla!
I’ve had limited driving with 12.3.3 and it is better but still disappoints. Example - Going to my old house on a 3 lane road with a left turn lane into my neighborhood. Tessi is in the center lane. A little before I would get in the left lane Tessi decides to go in the right lane 🤦♂️. Then at the last second it cuts over three lanes into the turn lane. Luckily no other cars were behind so it was safe. But it has done this before.
Most likely Robotaxi will be unveiled to the world on aug 8th to show what it'll look like, but they will still have to manufacture it so I'd say give it another couple of years, roughly.
We are still soooooo far away from robotaxis that the idea of unveiling them is comical. I think Tesla is in for some rough days if they can’t get a cheap car out sooner rather than later
Full self-driving is progressing so quickly now that I don't think robotaxis are far away at all. This is coming from a V12 user. It's worth noting before it was mostly only Elon. He was optimistic about full self-driving progress, but now it seems like his engineers are even more optimistic than he is. Since version 12 came out there has been great progress and that was when Tesla was compute limited. Now they are not. I know it's definitely not perfect and I have had critical safety disengagements but you have to look at the rate of improvement. Before you say it won't be approved by regulators even if it is safe, regulators approved Mercedes super limited and picky hands-Free system.
@@freddybell8328 if they want to ship these en mass all around the country with no steering wheel or pedals, it needs to work 99.99999% of the time or it will be a logistical nightmare. Even if, and its a big if, fsd works in 99% of cases right now, the long march of 9’s will likely take longer than people think. It doesnt have to be good, it has to be basically flawless
@@freddybell8328 What specifically is your definition of "progress" what is your metric? Seems to me your opinion comes from your own small bubble the same as mine is. I can't go a couple miles without having to disengage due to turning too early, turning too late, driving too fast, driving too slow, stopping too far away from the intersection or stop sign, thinking its on a totally different street than it is... The list goes on. FSD is a scam, nothing but a dangling carrot for people desperate to believe its going to be mainstream and something other than a gimmick.
They might pull a rivian and say the production date will be in a few years. Then again that's to be expected with Elon time.
Improvement is good. But here's the thing, it isnt good enough yet, far from good enough, so what are they even unveiling?😂 @@freddybell8328
You will find out that starting this year you will have to pay to use your car because it’s now a taxi service! 😂
any person dumb enough to get into a robotaxi without a stop button is crazy. even with a stop button we are maybe 5-10 years of SUPERVISED testing for FREE for years to achieve that. Tesla is similar to a barber, when you start out you need literally dummy's to work on.
I’m not sure why so many people think the car is going to be released this year. It will likely be announced in August, but then not come out until at least late 2025 or mid 2026. That gives the FSD team 18-24 months to improve upon what they have today. I bet that’s enough for Elon’s optimistic nature to move forward with the unveil.
Yeah, it's going to be a Robotaxi, but, just like FSD, the passengers will have to be ready to take over at any time during their trip to the grocery store... But seriously, FSD is still many years away from being level 4 or 5 so I wonder what the actual reveal will be?
They can unveil anything they want, it just that everything that isn't a copy of someone else's homework might not work out decade later
Well battery day happened years ago and we still are not seeing the fruition of that. I imagine it’s going to be the same thing.
Pre-announcement announcement
I imagine Elon at meeting saying it will be reading next year and all the engineers rolling their eyes.
Up to around Cybertruck it must have been like "ok now how do I suck out that investment into my bank account" but going forward...
Media: Any plans to implement Aptera's model?
Elon: I'm not familiar with them...
(IMMEDIATELY IMPLEMENTS APTERA'S MODEL)
@Tailosive EV,
How come Waymo has been doing "robotaxi" for years now, and Tesla hasn't? Thoughts?
I assume he made a knee jerk comment due to the Reuters repot and also this was probably the first time the engineers heard this as well. It will be pushed back to 2027
Bingo, I think you got it. Texas will be used to build the limited number of RT needed for each city or town they enter. The $25k car is likely dead if the RT is a success. If the gov. won't let them have a full suite of them, they will start production of the $25k car in Mexico when the factory is built. It is all about the residual income vs selling more cars.
I think it depends on where you live... FSD for me is horrible as well.
Chandler Arizona? The self driving cars are in the entire valley area here, not just chandler, and they are very common to see.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned steer by wire. The fact that there is no physical column connecting the steering wheel to the actual wheels trivializes challenges around where in the car to put the steering wheel (can be left hand or right hand side..hell, it could even be in the backseat, so long as there's an ethernet port nearby) or just removing it outright. Therefore, the only "difference" between a "robotaxi" and a "model 2" is that the Model 2 will cost $200 more and will come with a TopGear steering wheel controller that you'll unbox and plug in yourself after taking delivery.
I also think you're right in projecting that the first rollout for Robotaxi will be geofenced within specific localities, top candidates being Las Vegas, San Francisco, Fremont, Austin and Miami. And the big advantage to doing this is that it allows tesla to mask the fact that they're spinning up production and reducing the osbourne effect on the Model 3 and Y. Going from a complete and functional production system to 350k/year runrate will take 8 months to a year. This is exactly the time during which the model 2s will only be available for use as robotaxis within participating cities.
By the time tesla comes clean and shows us a model 2 with an actual steering wheel in it, that someone can actually pay for and take home, they'll already have 50k of them in the channel ready to ship with a factory pumping out another 7k of them a week.
Robotaxi is the Model 2. Model 2 is Robotaxi. Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkle.
Every plant has daily flyover. We’d know the week they make model 2 rollout
Top tier movie reference.
My bet is on Model R and not 2 for the badge (S 3 X Y R).
Surely it will require a steering wheel to allow the Tesla 'Bot' to drive on behalf of the passengers?
What hardware do you have? 3 or 4?
Hardware 3
I can’t wait for someone to make the car from the old PC game Syndicate. That would look awesome. It’s drop shaped, but has the pointing end forward. I imagine one front seat and two back seats.
have you perceived a sensible improvement from 11 to 12? not just on the smoothnes, but actually on the amount of interventions. I'm curious
I didn’t have v11 but the brief time I had with it in my friends cars wasn’t great. V12 is certainly better but that doesn’t mean it’s ready for level 4
@@TailosiveEV It definitely isn't
I just give the go pedal a nudge at stop signs when I want the car to go.
IMO, FSD isn’t ready until it has HD cameras that can read signs and interpret them correctly. It’s drives very good according to the videos I seen (Dirty Tesla, Black Tesla, Chuck Cook, etc.) but this is simply learning basic fundamentals of driving.
may be the other way. the consumer version will have "added" parts to the robotaxi...
Agree with your FSD assessment. It mirrors my experience. I am only good for one white-knuckle ride per software release. I have never completed one point A to point B trip without a disengagement.
It just needs to be a hatchback. VW Golf sized hatch back, maybe a 2 door coupe. Practical enough but small
please be a 3-wheeler and moon my Aptera stock!
I’m confused…..you have Mint mobile (which I love) to save money but have FSD on your Tesla?
FSD is free this month
@@TailosiveEV You’re right! I think I found that out after another video I was watching…lol
It seems like people either have good, or bad fsd. Likely due to where most roads have been mapped.
It is not what V12 is doing at this point it is the rate of improvement.
V12.3.3 is a big improvement. Still has improvements possible.
Wasn't the model 3 supposed to be a robotaxi?
Other than FSD being stupid in parking lots I’ve had a week of almost no disengagements. There is nothing even close to it in the works or on the road.
You dont know whats in the works though?
It’s an announcement. The actual robo taxi vehicle may not release until 2029. FSD would be way better by then.
Who are you to say? You are not tesla
@@h20dancing18 History says…
About 4 years from announcement to release for Model 3, same for X, and same for Cybertruck.
See a pattern?
The robotaxi doesn't need to be done by 8/8, that is prob when we'll find out what it looks like and maybe they'll take orders for them. But no way do they start taxi service by 8/8.
I agree with the idea of an initial limited roll out to the areas where it is functioning best. Probably geolocked and initially with access to remote support. This would be a functional beta as well as providing data for regulators. Hopefully the zones would increase in number and size until it works well almost everywhere and has general regulatory approval when they can throw the metaphorical switch. The phased approach could also be rolled back more easily when unanticipated issues occur. We might not even know if they choose to route around an area that their system is having difficulty with while they have the AI focus on what other teslas are doing at a particular location.
25k car will be only after finishing texas factory upgrade.
I think i wouldn´t feel comfortable when the robotaxi has no screen at all. I´d like to see the blue line where the car shows me what it predicts where the road is.
I think elon just Panicked because the stock was falling and proabably was gonna fall a good bit more, and just said :screw it, I'll just anounce this, and everybody just has to deal with it. Its just the unvailing, doesnt mean these things will drive around end of the year, my guess is Tesla probably WON'T produce them for at least a year.
Another thought I had, is that there probably is a lot of internal discussion on the Robotaxi, and if you want to launch them BEFORE the Compact Model. So in a way this is also Elon just stopping that Internal debate.
Because Tesla isn't STUPID, they KNOW FSD isn't perfect yet and still makes a bunch of Mistakes, so they think: yeah lets focus on the thing we ACTUALLY can do rn, and let the FSD team continue to do their thing!
And then there is Elon who is like: SCREW EVERYTHING FSD IS READY END OF THE YEAR SINCE 5 YEARS, SO ROBOTAXI YESTERDAY!
If that was the case would have been good for his comp package so…. No he didn’t do it to save stock
Employeees of tesla can wear vision pro and drive tesla robotaxi remotely
Perfect! Finally somebody not super-biased to tesla with some healthy view on tesla/fsd. I was thinking if I am crazy, but when I saw video from Farzad with last version of FSD and he was so excited while FSD made few significant bullshit moves when he needed to take over driving I was not clear how this experience is in line with super-duper fsd - it still can kill you easily!
I haven’t had it do anything potentially lethal but it’s absolutely confused other drivers, missed turns or exists it was supposed to take or drive at curbs / sidewalks
confident on FSD yet my car still tries to turn right on red when there is a no turn on red sign
Agree with a few points, but you're completely missing the reality of the FSD 'rollout'. Yes, in areas FSD12 has not been active in long, it makes a lot of mistakes. Every mistake gets sent back to Tesla through the end to end AI auto-labeler and retraining system. 'Operation Vacation' which Elon eluded is now active. They needed to deploy FSD widescale to eliminate the remaining edge cases. They are no longer compute limited. All that data is training the AI at massive scale.
In my area there have been FSD12 cars active for a while, my drives are nearly always intervention free. The rate of improvement for the end to end AI and AI training architecture Tesla has built is going to shock everyone very soon. This is not FSD 11 with all kinds of human code in it.
Good point. I'd mostly been thinking about them gathering in customers, but it'll probably mean people who live in places with relatively little data will gather more on those weird junctions that governments insist on using to confuse all the non-local drivers. They could even roll it out as a free offer each year if they find it gathers enough data to be useful - as well as offer it free to customers in specific locations. They probably have some kind of heat map of the US road network to show where they do and don't have enough data.
I think the robo taxi will be used to ramp production. Then when it is at volume the 25k car can have high margins. Robo taxi will ship with steering wheel and eventually removed once regulator approval happens. Robo taxis will be for internal use shuttling people around.
I saw a Cybertruck today at work 👍🏻 First one I’ve seen in person
I saw one and I have to admit I was geeked. People can hate it all they want but I don't remember any car I've ever been this excited to see. I look forward to the 3rd iteration of it.
With Optimus Elon always seems to mention that the actuators are built in house and how they’ve learned more about actuators that they expected. I wonder if actuators will come to the vehicles too. Drew when you mentioned a 2 seater robotaxi it ‘add me think that the passengers would be almost standing, like there would just been a stool height chair.
If you get in something like a Smart car, it's an incredibly spacious cabin because it's relatively vertical seating and high sided. The electric ones in China and Japan must be even more spacious because of the batteries and lack of transmission tunnel. I don't think they'll be close to standing since no country would allow that except on trains. But most people will be surprised how spacious the cabin does feel, and how easy it is to get in and out of the car. I never had a problem with my heavily overweight 6'2" flatmate in my Smart. Other than the way it didn't accelerate quite as quickly ;)
Sadly, the actual Smart EV while ok, wasn't actually redesigned so the transmission tunnel nonsense is still there, hence the shorter range than the cheap Chinese versions that copied the design. Obviously if they go for the aero design in the book, that's more like the length of a Fiesta (maybe even longer) and I think it'll be absolutely fine for most of us - assuming its tall enough. Of course... we've no idea what the actual layout or even the number of seats will be at this point.
I think OceanGate and the Titan submersible ruined game controllers for vehicles in the public consciousness for awhile.
Wait 1 mo of free FSD?
8/8........2028 lol
Airplanes for passengers, aren't those already possible to fly without pilots and crew? Why aren't those flying around the globe without a crew?
No. Takeoff and landing is done manual
Even drones are operated by remote view with people crammed into a room
I would like to understand why V12 performance is not uniform across the various people who use it. Would love to see cars that suck drive where others get zero and near zero intervention drives. Maybe swap drivers. I would think Tesla knows but is not talking. Not that I would expect them to.
Roads aren’t the same everywhere. Probably performs better in places lots of people train it like the Bay Area
@@TailosiveEV And if we did the testing I suggested we would confirm that. But I am not convinced that is the entire picture. Because if it is FSD is a flop. We can't train the world over to that degree.
what elon has to focus on is fsd getting out of beta
It is now
Thats a technicallity and you know it! @@1ronEntertainment
It is out of beta.
It's called FSD-SUPERVISED
So it is beta renamed to supervised.@@saquist
2027 8/8
"unveiling" doesn't equal "production", therefore no, the readiness of FSD in August is irrelevant. It probably won't take years from unveiling to production like the CyberTruck, but it will be a year or two. The lack of new factory starts is also probably a factor. We had continuous factory starts during the Shanghai-Berlin-Austin phase, but that has all stalled now, probably because Elon has been distracted perfecting his a5sh0l3ry.
Giga Mexico / Monterey??
@@h20dancing18 Mexico has been a complete Cluster eff since it's annouincement and still is. It has been mired in BS for as long as Shanghai took to go from announcement to production, probably longer than Berlin and Austin too. It was announced 13 months ago (after untold years of haggling) and has still not had it's groundbreaking.
@@h20dancing18
Giga Mexico has been a complete cluster since forever. It's been 13 months since announcemnt (and that after years of haggling) and there's still no groundbreaking. Shanghai went from announcement to production in 15 months (Jul18-Oct19). Berlin and Austin probably will be half the time too.
@@poneill65 all I was pointing out was that there are new factories on the way, although I share your complaints
@@h20dancing18
"there are new factories on the way", while it MAY prove to be technically correct, covers up a massive crassdh in Tesla's production capacity ramp
For the record:
Shanghai: Announce 2018-07, Construct 2019-01, Production 2019-10
Berlin: Announce 2019-12, Construct 2020-05, Production 2022-03
Austin: Announce 2020-07, Construct 2020-07, Production 2021-08
Mexico: Announce 2023-02, Construct 2024?, Production 2026-27?
i.e.
- New announcements every one year UNTIL Mexico (3 years).
- Announce-construct 6 months UNTIL Mexico (1 year and counting)
- Construct-Production 9,13,22, UNTIL Mexico (being slated for 2027, so 3 years)
Oh, and India/Indonesia/Thailand,.... YEARS of non-announcements
Basically Tesla's factory ramp has completely halted for four years now.
I wonder what will happen when the first person gets injured or regretfully die in a robotaxi crash in a robot taxi Tesla. They won't be able to hide by claiming that the driver tried to take control and that's what caused the crash. Tesla's don't even have "full self-driving." Someone tell me, if I put in a destination while parked in my driveway. Will the car drive all the way to the destination and park itself without me having any input by me? If not, don't call it full self-driving, that's just being full of s***.
Cybertruck without a steering wheel
Uh no
@@doomtomb3 many states have regulations that encourages autonomus delivery vehicles.
I think august is the he unvail of Robotaxi. Why, because this will be a stealth AI day, but with some consumer facing events. This main event will most likely reveal the car, the early partnership - Uber/Lift and obviously Tesla network. Tesla will rollout first a geo-fenced solution in a number of states/cities that DO not regulate autonimous vehicles. FSD autopilot stack will be ready and also summon.
Non-Robotaxis will be the Tesla car owners who can put their car into the robotqxi 😊fleet.
If Tesla can not solve un- protected lefts then the cars will just be restricted from making unprotected lefts by maping them in the respective cities they opoerate in. Lift and Uber will roll out 6months to year after they see Tesla's results on Robtaxi and user feeback.
Tesla will most likely do the reveal but will state launch data for the network will be 2026.The car launch maybe 8th August but this sy nothing of the lauch date of the service. I predict this will be in 2026.
I think Elon saod they need @6 billion miles before he sees the training be enough to see Robotaxi be safter than a human by 10x. At the moment Tesla has @1bh.
i "tried" accidentally, the free month of fsd, it loaded on my car and activated automatically, but i had no intention of using it, however, when i taped the stalk down one time i expected it to apply my normal adaptive cruse, (which still has issues btw, making me wish i just had dumb cruse) but instead of adaptive cruse it activated FSD and took over driving completely.
the first disengagement was because it failed to slow fast enough for me when traffic was slowing to enter the tunnel, it's dumb that traffic slows to a crawl when entering the tunnel (speed limit is 60, people crawl in at 35 unless traffic is super light and i can keep cruse on).
second disengagement was when it must have wanted to pass someone, but it would have cut off someone in the left lane, when i held the wheel preventing it from moving over, it kicked me out completely, unlike the lane centering that keeps cruse on if i move the wheel unexpectedly.
the third time the lane marking had been worn to nothing and it tried to move out of the lane, once again kicked me out completely.
now i'm a 3 strikes and you're out, so i didn't turn it back on for the rest of my drive, and just got to my destination manually, then switched back off fsd and went back to only adaptive cruse, i dont even use the lane centering option as the nag is much to annoying to deal with.
no i wont be trying it again, maybe if the car updates to a new version that is much better, but anyways.
now the adaptive cruse has the same area on my route that it freakes out and if i forget about turning off the cruse, it will hit the brakes every time at the same spot, UNLESS i happen to be following someone and someone else is ALSO in the lane next to me, keeping the car in a follow mode instead of getting freaked out by whatever it is seeing ahead. this has never been fixed in the year now that ive had the car. most of the time i remember to turn off the cruse, but forgot about it yesterday and the road was mostly empty and well i got a nice wake up call having to move my foot quickly onto the accelerator to get the car to keep moving.
You sound like a paid GM troll
Aptera but with two rear wheels for performance AND $7500 subsidy for as long as that lasts - more interior room and a frunk vs Aston Martin Cygnet BUT not by huge margin🤖🤯🛞♾
I think they're just unveiling the design this year, not producing them. If they do produce them, even if they'd finished Giga Mexico and it was 100% robotaxis, they still wouldn't be able to supply the demand. So logically, they'd sell them to the cities that currently allow robotaxis of various types, and demonstrate that it works while they gather more driving data. You can't even get FSD in the UK afaik, and the government is moving swiftly to legislate for it... in 2026 😅🤣whereas other European countries already have it. Bear in mind we have some of the safest roads in the world whereas Germany is fine with self driving as it is because their drivers are terrible, and the US is several times worse than that.
Once they have a Tesla of any model, doing significant robotaxi journeys in Austin, San Francisco or wherever they're already legally able to run it, it'll convince politicians to get the legislation through. It'll also help as some cities/countries pass legislation because we do copy and paste laws about things from each other. I mean, the US legal system is based on the UK one, for starters so transposing some laws isn't all that hard. It's really just a series of concepts translated into local legal language and accounting for other laws.
I also think they'll do a 'one more thing' after the robotaxi unveil - just a design unveil - and roll out the Model 2 which may be the same platform. It might not even require a different production line - they may be able to do six hours of robotaxi, and just skip the stage for the bits it doesn't need like steering wheels. Then switch the line over to Model 2. Lets say the line can build 20,000 cars, but the cities they can legally use them in only need 10,000 robotaxis. You build those, then you switch to Model 2 for normal people while Giga Mexico is built.
Anyway, we'll find out a little more in August and we should probably not hope for more than a product design unveiling with production not starting then.
Unfortunately Robo-Taxis are useless for those that live in rural areas. Robo-Taxis are only useful for Metro Areas especially where Parking is expensive. I am just 30 miles from Metro Nashville but chances of getting a ride share is about 20% if I plan it and put request in day before.
Not necessarily
How many older folk would reach the age they would rather get into a robot chauffeur. Also the cost per mile comes down it’s cheaper to get a robot then own a car. Pay insurance. Wash. Maintenance. Upkeep. .
If you have even ten houses in your local area, only one or two would need a car, and they could make it available as a robotaxi. There is zero chance all the houses in a rural area, are currently using their car, even just before 9am. Robo taxis will be useful everywhere, but yes, ones held in higher population areas will get used more of the time and be more profitable. People are confusing the robotaxi model Tesla will make, with the other models which can also operate as robotaxis, but can be manually driven as well. In your area, a few people having a Model 3, will mean you can either use theirs as a robotaxi, or just rent it and drive it yourself, and while you might still have a vehicle yourself, you are unlikely to need two or three for your family. Also, you'd be able to buy the vehicle, and the little old lady down the road could borrow it to get to the supermarket and back and you'd make a little cash while you're not using it. In any variant of robotaxi working, everyone, everywhere on the planet, benefits enormously.
Mass producing the robotaxi variant before the consumer "model 2" seems very unlikely indded.
Even if FSD is ready in 2025 (which I suspect it may), there is no way that large numbers of governments will have changed the regulations to allow mass adoption of robotaxis by then. This will be a long and uneven process, probably taking many years to get to the point where a significant number of "robotaxI" variants are needed. Sure, a few municipalities might forge ahead but nowhere near enough to be financially impactful. The governments and agencies are going to move slow on this, and take public opinion into account. Public opinion for 2 ton autonomous "death machines" (as the FUDsters will scream) on their roads will move slowly. It also will not at all aided by the now fairly legitimate perception of Elon as a gigantic ar5eho13.
If you actually listen in with other Tesla channels most states have no rules against a robotaxi fleet.
Go listen to actual data. Not a ginger on the inter web wanting attention
Elon or Tesla needs to wait until its 95% ready before showing things off.
Their history is like presentation, then the rollout is 3 years later.
Doesn't help their reputation or stock price.
You mean 3 years late, not later. Whatever year he says something is going to happen, just tack on an additional 3 years and you'll be closer to the truth.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere same meaning. 3 years later the product will actually be for sale. His early way of announcing hurts the stock price. People are sitting on millions of dollars in the red thanks to his ways...
RUclipsr knows more than Elon and Tesla. Jeez ever thought running for CEO of Tesla replacing Elon since you know oh so much
Why would they care about their stock price? Look it up. He constantly says he doesn't care about it and people shouldn't invest if they are only interested in the stock price. The mission is electrification, not wealth. The wealth is incidental and a means to electrification. Low stock price only means he can buy back more stock for more control if he wants it.
@@tubetop123 And he does this over and over and over again. He seems to be a smart person but he sure does some dumb stuff. It would be better if he set the time LATER than what he thinks they can do so that if they get it done earlier then it will be a pleasant surprise, instead of irritating people with delay after delay after delay. Oh well.
“Elon is upset having to advertise…” oh no. It’s like Tesla isn’t super special anymore and may have to advertise and work on beating the competition who are now putting out good products that have access to the same charging network.
Eh the competitors are all seeing a drop in sales too. This is an EV slump not a Tesla slump
210m for a robotaxi is horrible.it needs at least 350-400m per charge. if i uber my m3lr 22 from 90% down to 20% thats about 4-5 hours. a 210m tank est would be at a supercharger every 2-3 hours. logistics suck
Maybe, but you’re assuming long range trips and highway speeds. These will be puttering around dense metros at golf cart speeds. 35-40 mph max. These are not going to be rides where you can tell the driver you’re late “step on it”.
Lightweight body, drag improvements, weight reduction from smaller structural cyber pack, will mean greater watt hours per mile. At low speeds, which most likely will be necessary just from a public opinion/optics standpoint, plus with LFP based packs, it could probably get a solid 150-180 usable miles before needing to return to base to wirelessly charge.
Thanks for your comments on FSD. My experience is the same so I'm glad to know it isn't just my impression. Still cool and does some amazing things but definitively "Supervised".
yup, tesla is another GM, time to short if not already
🤦. I can’t even
I would love to see a video of your issues to compare with other drivers.
Out of 6 FSD trips of over 10 miles each, I had 2 interventions. There must be something going on with your car. It’s very scary allowing the vehicle to drive itself so maybe you’re also overly cautious before a mistake actually happens? Which isn’t a bad thing in itself.
Just Elon manipulating the stock price again.
Yeah boosted it another 3% 😂
Elon wasting so much time and money gonna be wasted instead of spending it on the next $25000 car which will be a bigger sale than the Robo taxis that FSD in beta and nowhere near approval for every day driverless use.
8/8 HH … Elon trolling real hard! Only his new friends get it.
I dont know why people still put any trust in a person/company that has regularly overpromised and underdelivered.
Musk manchild can unveil whatever he wants and when he wants. I reference CyberTruck. Unveiled what 4 years before release?
FSD is less useful than autopilot for me. FSD doesn't go anywhere close to the max speed I set, it drives like a grandma.
It’s going to be AI Day 3.
He’s going to give some more *cough* imaginary *cough* metrics, mainly around cost of manufacture/per mile. Drew will give some token confirmations about the yields they’re seeing based on learnings from Cyber stamping/air bending/etc. Drew will also provide some more detail about the unboxed process, giving some more imaginary metrics around speed of manufacture once production is scaled up. Elon’ll give some hypothetical efficiency numbers. They’ll skip range as it “won’t matter” as it won’t be available for purchase.
If they actually have a vehicle, it will be an M3 with no front seats or steering wheel, fitted with wireless charging, and show clips of it riding around the test track or some route at super speed so you don’t see all the jump cuts from the interventions.
Franz will come out and talk about the first principles/blue sky approach they’re taking to the cabin, design, aerodynamics, infotainment, etc. Their use of learnings from the M3 refresh to ensure unmatched comfort, quiet, and acoustics.
Elon/Drew will say that the pilot line is currently under development and that the Boring Company has broken ground on the connection to the facility expansion that will house the production line in Austin. Despite rumors and speculation it won’t be a self driving parking lot for Model Ys.
Lars will go into the level of complexity and challenges they’re overcoming in converting their global supply chain over to 48V, but that they’re making rapid progress getting them on board to scale up once the design is finalized.
Ashok will come up and talk about the 1B mile FSD milestone, provide projections about how soon they’ll hit 2B and reiterate that they still project 6B to be the magic number to get to complete Level 4 superhuman driving. Ashok will go into the quality of their data and compute cluster providing random zeta flops/bytes their H1 cluster is processing daily and that they expect to take delivery of their Blackwell chips to further augment their FSD capabilities to 15B and true undeniable L5 autonomy.
There’ll be a ‘one more thing’ in a random Optimus appearance featuring some Grok powered, heavily scripted/rehearsed, close but not quite, dialogue that’s just as stilted as Figure’s demo, but maybe slightly faster. They’ll demo it doing something more useful than folding a shirt around the factory and have it react to verbal commands. Maybe have it make a choice or two and make a dad joke.
Release timeline will be indeterminate, but Elon’ll promise to have FeATuRe CoMPLete models ready for steering/pedal delete by “next year”. Depending on how the Superbad economy is shaping up will determine whether or not it’s released as a 24-36 month, max, leased vehicle, with low mile leases, w/ IRA backdoor lease incentives, and no purchase option, and/or directly deployed in jurisdictions currently allowing autonomous vehicles.
They’ll open the site for $250 refundable reservation deposits.
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You’re a pretty pathetic pessimist to go that long into your dissertation of why you’re dissatisfied in Tesla but knows everything about them
Get help 💊
You should listen to yourself: you suffer from an acute case of Smarter Than Elon Disease. Dunning-Kruger was the precursor. So hard to explain this to the sufferer by its very nature.
Not claiming I’m smarter, just more skeptical of the rate of progress. I was right about Cybertruck price and range despite people saying “Elon wouldn’t announce the Cybertruck at $39k if he didn’t have a way to get it done. Or the Cybertruck will definitely have over 500 miles of range! Don’t bet against Elon”
Also didn’t think RoboTaxis would be ready by 2022 or 2023 yet Elon did
Ah yes, that smart Elon that announced a Tesla Roadster for 2020 (and is still taking preorders for it today), announced a tesla semi production in 2019 (and is still not selling them) and wanted to to have two Starships on Mars in 2022 and taking crew to Mars in 2024 (while he has not reached the Moon today). Also, since 2020 we are all driving horses although you still take full responsibility while DRIVING your "full self driving" car you payed massively extra for.
This is not about being smarter, this is about not trusting a man with a horrible track record in his planning
I've called this guy out time and time again on his pessimistic narrow-minded view on full self-driving, robo taxis, and poor predictionsand yet he always ignores my comments despite a ton of other commenters agreeing with me and continues to have the same ignorant mindset. Not sure why hes willing to die on this hill.
FSD is a scam...
Just cause I don’t reply to you doesn’t mean I don’t read your comment. I’m talking about FSD based on my own experience. Is it narrow minded to acknowledge Elon has been wrong on how close RoboTaxis are for 5 years?
@@TailosiveEV I honestly didn't get the impression you think it'll never work, just that it's clearly not ready right now, to fully drive the car as usefully as a taxi driver will. I mean, a properly trained London cabby with The Knowledge who isn't currently ranting about immigrants, and can actually get where you want to go. Not the type who clearly doesn't know the city well enough to get you to the local railway station or your hotel and is totally unsafe to be in a car with. :D
To remove the wheel we have to know a human won't have to get in the vehicle to move it out of the way in an emergency, or get it from a place its got stuck because the software isn't perfect, to a point where it can continue the journey. They can solve that with remote control, I should think, but the general safety and negotiating complex junctions has to be perfect. Your stance does not seem pessimistic to me, it seems purely practical.
It makes no sense that they’d make a robotaxi before the $25k car. In my opinion, that’s a really bad move.