Among my favorite plug ins. I believe the reason they don't do external VST is because it would immediately invite in compromises. Latency would get crazier, code would be less efficient, future scaling for bigger projects gets way more complicated having to support other peoples crap, they would be limited to a standard not in their direct control and the bugs would surly increase, ect... I have used other options that do support vst format and all of these issues came up and more. I hope they keep away from vst stuff, as the current suite of fx is great and they are always adding to it, the quality is very high. Those are some reasons I actually don't mind that they stay away from it.
Blue Cat's MB-7 Mixer does add your own plugins to individual frequencies, it will probably have latency issues so would need to be used either on a master or be re-sampled in a mix... or adjust that some how... I wouldn't be bother enough to do that. Great vid again, Thank you!
Fab Filter Saturn basically does this, minus the delay. You can saturate bands independently and modulate them with LFO’s and do a billion things with it. You can also just get Metaplugin and make any multiband combo of any plugins you want.
+1 for Metaplugin. I've tried plugin chainers from Bluecat, Melda, MuTools, Kilohertz, and ImageLine, but Metaplugin is easily the most versatile, stable, and lightweight of them all. Metaplugin and Midishaper from Cableguys is why I never picked up multipass along with the other snapins that I bought.
Interestingly they've changed the way they price these - now you can get a huge bundle of these - they call them "essentials" - for free. And then you're going to want to buy Multipass or Snapheap to rack them in complex ways. Lots of fun!
All of the KiloHearts plugin can be used as a standalone too btw, and inside the Snapin (that it's like a virtual VST host or rack). From the free plugins they have I really recommend the Delay one. PD: Snake Oil Gaming when?
I definitely like the idea, but as you pointed out VST support would be great. Bitwig has actually implemented that. It has generic 2 band and 3 band frequency splitters that can host arbitrary effects chains that can utilize both Bitwig's own effects as well as any VST.
They have sales, and I think I paid $179 (US) for the entire works suite However, there’s two plugins that have been released since then, and they have also created a synth, called phase plant, that you should really check out Also, you can now rent it monthly
On the other hand, pretty much every reverb and delay or even chorus plugins have filter knobs, where you can set the band where your effects will take place. So the cheapest version of this plugin is actually a bit of a snake oil. It really becomes useful with the more expensive versions where you get more unusual effect options.
I like the design and the idea of doing all this complex stuff all in one plugin (different routings, serial / parallel processing, different busses and what not), but what about the quality of the individual building blocks? I think it may be way cooler if you could this sort of stuff with one's existing 3rd party plugins, cause let's face it, we all have our favorite plugins (be it some modern/new take on a compressor/limiter/fx/other tool , or very VERY well done hardware emulation of existing). Yeah the end results matter most, with enough fiddling you can make stuff sound great even with "so-so" building blocks (those individual snapins), but I bet you could maybe get either better results, or more enjoyment, if you could do that same process (in either easier way or in one plugin) with your existing "favorite" / "top-tier" plugins/building blocks.
Cool concept. Probably you're aware of this, but Reaper has a couple js plugins that could achieve something similar: The "3 band splitter" and the "Channel mixer" to sum up the split signals. Fun stuff.
Octopus On Fire Yes, I was just going to mention that. I'm using this method a lot, especially when applying diverse reverbs on different bands. Also, for instance, panning a mono piano to stereo left/right according to frequency range. Also, the hardware routing for different bands is easy as pie. There's no way I'd spend money on this when I have far more flexible tools inside Reaper already.
I have a question... I will be sticking with software mostly because of money but was think about getting a standard 8 channel (4 stereo) tape machine and a 2 channel tape machine... will the cheap-ish one's do? like Akai ect... I know they will work for some things but could they be used as a all rounder or would you suggest waiting to get higher end ones for a all rounder?
Got Kilohearts full version included with Slate Digital All Access Pass. About to go into remaster mode on our existing sessions. And, yeah, Reaper has the routing tools to add your own FX chains. No real need to with the Snap Heap full setup, though. Crazy good work flow.
One of Reasons devices has "multi level splitter" called sunder. You can split a signal of a snare for example into three volume levels and apply for example a compressor on a signal peak and chorus on a mid level signal and a reverb on a low level signal. Thats LEVEL, not freq bands. Pretty sick stuff. Enjoying it. And yes, you can even add your own VST. Reason is the boss in sound design.
I happen to think kilohearts makes some of the most quality sounding plug ins and are slept on for what reason I'm not sure. True you have to use the aux outs to achieve using non kilohearts snape ins and may slow down work flow but like almost anything you can set it up save it as a template and save some time that way. Sound design is all about experimenting and being as creative as you allow yourself to be which takes time itself. You may have a missed opportunity if you do not spend the required time needed to experiment. Each to their own I love this plug in and would recommend it to those who seek creativity outside the box. this is one of my go to's straight out the gate!! Shout out to everyone at Kilohearts!!
Phasing issues with this plugin? Also if you use multiple aux with EQ cuts as band splitter would this give rise to phasing issues (that is when not using this plug-in)
The Blue Cat MB 7 does the same thing for around $129 and allows you to use your own plugins. I haven't tried it yet but on the surface it would appear to be much better value and much more flexible.
I have to say that this plug has a lot of potential. I mean, I do use Studio One, but this has everything in one place and you would have to use the splitter thing. I give it a thumbs up! Still not going to give up all my Fabfilter plugs though. Love them too much. But if I was starting, this would probably be most of what I would need.
On the cost issue - KiloHearts do incredibly good sales - I was able to get their works package for roughly $70 last year. That’s everything they sell for less than a hundred dollars.
If you use Ableton, you can do this with the audio effects rack. Assuming your chains start with an EQ, each chain in the rack can be restricted to specific bands. I made a simple three band delay effect without much effort.
Ha! I just love how much fun you're having with that snake! Could you please explain the Sandstorm from De Rut joke? I still haven't found a video that explains that, but it's funny how dryly you say it, like it's totally new, and it won't be a completely song from the last time you made the joke. I really wish I understood the joke!
Please review Kilohearts new EQ. It's intriguing. I have a few of their other products that they released before the Multiband (In Reason it's called something else, I think).
Also, I forgot about this super amazing plugin from Blue Cat Audio. A multiband delay that can host 3rd party plugins www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_LateReplies/
there's another way avoiding this plug in :D ... in fact I want to use my plug ins and not to be obliged to use their ones/ Thus Duplicate the track and send the original and duplicate to a sub. Then, filter out the band you want to effect, on the duplicated track. And apply the plug in to that filtered band ... At the same time, cut out the processed band on the original (if you need, or if you want).
It seems a great approach to new sounds. Got me an idea of splitting a track in 3 ranges ( using bypass filters) and the processing (or not) each one separately and bringing them back. Would that work like it? ( of course, this plugin is a great saving time for that)
Can anyone explain the difference between the KILOHEARTs "multipass" and the "snap heap"? In the multipass, there are already effects, or you have to have them before?
Would love to see what you think about the new Waves Abbey roads Chamber reverb. I think it has some potential to be awesome but eat the CPU. SNAKE OIL?!?
If you loved this plugin you must try Blue Cat Audio's MB-7 Mixer! It can host 3rd party plugins like you wanted. www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_MB7Mixer/
MXXX is cool, but the KiloHearts plugs are flawlessly programmed - low latency, transparent audio processing, low CPU impact, clear and easy to use GUI. The full package really is worth swooning over.
This is one of those cases where you have to decide if for the same prace is it worth or better to spend those 1014 EUROS in an analog procesor for me i would not spend that kind of mony in digital software unless it is a good emulation and the real thing cost a fortune, that is the ony case i would go for a digital representation, but in this case it is ridiculous that a 100 EURO tool needs more than 300 EUROS worth of invesmetn to work, not logical y my mind and does not make any sence at all, a 200US dollar Izitope software brings everything you need, this is old school mentality and the reason why i don't like to by digital tools that often because of that ridiculous pricing, for me i will spend that money in analog, this is truly SNAKE OIL hand down.
Those saying they use this plug on everything they own must have purchased the r2r version... no serious guy would ever spend 500 bucks on a plug-in that literally splits the frequency into 5bands and allows to chain dumb 'snapins', that cost 19, 29 bucks, etc, as simple as a gain button... a chorus, phaser... even an 'hass effect'... Nobody would EVER put 500 bucks on it, let alone buy the core plugin and keep buying separate snapins, for a total of 1'100 $/€ ! With that money, any serious guy, or even just a smart guy, would rather pick an ableton live, studio one or even cubase, and then, buy fl studio or Reason 10, and slave it inside the main daw... BETTER: would over 1'000 bucks, a guy would be able to purchase a fantastic delay plugin, as well as a chorus, phaser, reverb, compressor, eq, distortion, arpeggiator (keanu cream costs 35 bucks and probably is the best arpeggiator/trancegate out there...along the 45 bucks xfer Chthulu arp...), and even buy a plugin capable of splitting frequencies, like blue cat audio...and then create amazing effect chains, with amazing top plugins, WITH THE possibility of using/adding our own vst plugs to the effect chains...and WITH ALL THESE PLUGINS, one wouldn't even get close to the 1'000 bucks mark ! ! ! This kiloherts and its insane prices are lucky to have the support and ads from kvraudio... and because the dev must be making a ton of cash with this plugin scam, I'm sure they are paying like 20% of the cash back to kvraudio and a few other forums... No serious website, reviewer or pro user would ever praise this plug-in, and dare tell users 'ohhh, it's great, go and go throw your 500/1000$ down the toilet'... NOBODY would ever say it.! This plug-in would be a nice little plugin, at 69 or 79 bucks, with ALL the snapins. 500 or 1100 bucks for it, it's a true scam. Again, any serious user would rather spend 500 bucks on a soundtoys bundle, flux... fabfilter... uhe bundle...mmelda bundle..or simply buy top quality separate plugins... than THIS SHIT. Please, don't promote this trash. And worse, the demo only comes with a few selected snapins... users can't even 100% test it. What a scam. This plugin deserves getting cracked and pirated, to avoid people wasting tons of cash on a product they can only test about 15-20% of the full product. Just imagine the kid that nust started making music... got some hardware... bought his first daw... and wherever he goes, he has tons of ads for this shit.... it looks so promising and amazing, the kid will grab all his saved money and will buy it, thinking the plugin will turn all his beginner productions into radio-ready hits with amazing effects everywhere, because... everywhere he would go, he would get ads for it. Again, please, guys, don't promote this crap, DON'T BUY this crap, and if, you really really really think you need it and it's gonna enhance your tracks like magic, do yourself a favor, and search for the R2R version, SO YOU CAN test 100% of the app, with 100% of the snapins ! Ps. I'm not promoting piracy ! I'm just asking people to find and try an alternative way to install and TRY the app with ALL its snapins available, instead of trying a dumb demo with only 20% of the content!
Among my favorite plug ins. I believe the reason they don't do external VST is because it would immediately invite in compromises. Latency would get crazier, code would be less efficient, future scaling for bigger projects gets way more complicated having to support other peoples crap, they would be limited to a standard not in their direct control and the bugs would surly increase, ect... I have used other options that do support vst format and all of these issues came up and more. I hope they keep away from vst stuff, as the current suite of fx is great and they are always adding to it, the quality is very high. Those are some reasons I actually don't mind that they stay away from it.
Did you know the full version of this with all of the effects comes with the slate digital subscription?
Hello! Good one but I would recommand Bluecat MB7 mixer. It does the same and has plugins vst/ component capabilities. Bye and thanks as alsways!
I was about to make the same recommendation. Bluecat MB7 is exactly what he was expecting from Multipass at the beginning of the video.
A little update in 2022: Kilohearts Essential plugins are now all free. (those that were greyed out in the list)
Reaper already has a multiband splitter/joiner to use your own plugins in the same way this KH stuff does with snapins.
Reason has it too. But this is just pure convenience IMO
Blue Cat's MB-7 Mixer does add your own plugins to individual frequencies, it will probably have latency issues so would need to be used either on a master or be re-sampled in a mix... or adjust that some how... I wouldn't be bother enough to do that.
Great vid again, Thank you!
It's super expensive though... Blue Cat's Oscilloscope Multi is something that might deserve a look at and is a low price... asking for myself really
lol, snake oil on the plugin that i use litterally on every session ^^
Audiofeel same here. This plugin gets used on Absolutely everything I make.
Fab Filter Saturn basically does this, minus the delay. You can saturate bands independently and modulate them with LFO’s and do a billion things with it. You can also just get Metaplugin and make any multiband combo of any plugins you want.
+1 for Metaplugin. I've tried plugin chainers from Bluecat, Melda, MuTools, Kilohertz, and ImageLine, but Metaplugin is easily the most versatile, stable, and lightweight of them all.
Metaplugin and Midishaper from Cableguys is why I never picked up multipass along with the other snapins that I bought.
Look into Blue Cat Audio MB-7 Mixer ;) Its an EQ where you can put your 3rd party plugins on each band! :)
Interestingly they've changed the way they price these - now you can get a huge bundle of these - they call them "essentials" - for free. And then you're going to want to buy Multipass or Snapheap to rack them in complex ways. Lots of fun!
All of the KiloHearts plugin can be used as a standalone too btw, and inside the Snapin (that it's like a virtual VST host or rack). From the free plugins they have I really recommend the Delay one.
PD: Snake Oil Gaming when?
at this point i would stop watching the video if Sandstorm wouldnt play xD god i love the running joke :))
blue cat audio makes something like this that you can use your own vst's with which is awesome. it can also wrap vst's to be used in aax format
I definitely like the idea, but as you pointed out VST support would be great. Bitwig has actually implemented that. It has generic 2 band and 3 band frequency splitters that can host arbitrary effects chains that can utilize both Bitwig's own effects as well as any VST.
Maybe it's time to give bitwig a try
Blue Cat Audio MB-7 Mixer
(That one is have a separate bands for your vst, also he have a visual transparant knob, for fun) :}
They have sales, and I think I paid $179 (US) for the entire works suite
However, there’s two plugins that have been released since then, and they have also created a synth, called phase plant, that you should really check out
Also, you can now rent it monthly
2:17 incredible keeping of a straight face lmao
On the other hand, pretty much every reverb and delay or even chorus plugins have filter knobs, where you can set the band where your effects will take place. So the cheapest version of this plugin is actually a bit of a snake oil. It really becomes useful with the more expensive versions where you get more unusual effect options.
Using Ableton you can create a audio effect chain, split in various hz with eq and the use any effects in the certain frequencies
I like the design and the idea of doing all this complex stuff all in one plugin (different routings, serial / parallel processing, different busses and what not), but what about the quality of the individual building blocks? I think it may be way cooler if you could this sort of stuff with one's existing 3rd party plugins, cause let's face it, we all have our favorite plugins (be it some modern/new take on a compressor/limiter/fx/other tool , or very VERY well done hardware emulation of existing).
Yeah the end results matter most, with enough fiddling you can make stuff sound great even with "so-so" building blocks (those individual snapins), but I bet you could maybe get either better results, or more enjoyment, if you could do that same process (in either easier way or in one plugin) with your existing "favorite" / "top-tier" plugins/building blocks.
Cool concept. Probably you're aware of this, but Reaper has a couple js plugins that could achieve something similar: The "3 band splitter" and the "Channel mixer" to sum up the split signals. Fun stuff.
Octopus On Fire Yes, I was just going to mention that. I'm using this method a lot, especially when applying diverse reverbs on different bands. Also, for instance, panning a mono piano to stereo left/right according to frequency range. Also, the hardware routing for different bands is easy as pie. There's no way I'd spend money on this when I have far more flexible tools inside Reaper already.
I have a question... I will be sticking with software mostly because of money but was think about getting a standard 8 channel (4 stereo) tape machine and a 2 channel tape machine... will the cheap-ish one's do? like Akai ect...
I know they will work for some things but could they be used as a all rounder or would you suggest waiting to get higher end ones for a all rounder?
Got Kilohearts full version included with Slate Digital All Access Pass. About to go into remaster mode on our existing sessions. And, yeah, Reaper has the routing tools to add your own FX chains. No real need to with the Snap Heap full setup, though. Crazy good work flow.
One of Reasons devices has "multi level splitter" called sunder. You can split a signal of a snare for example into three volume levels and apply for example a compressor on a signal peak and chorus on a mid level signal and a reverb on a low level signal. Thats LEVEL, not freq bands. Pretty sick stuff. Enjoying it. And yes, you can even add your own VST. Reason is the boss in sound design.
I happen to think kilohearts makes some of the most quality sounding plug ins and are slept on for what reason I'm not sure. True you have to use the aux outs to achieve using non kilohearts snape ins and may slow down work flow but like almost anything you can set it up save it as a template and save some time that way. Sound design is all about experimenting and being as creative as you allow yourself to be which takes time itself. You may have a missed opportunity if you do not spend the required time needed to experiment. Each to their own I love this plug in and would recommend it to those who seek creativity outside the box. this is one of my go to's straight out the gate!! Shout out to everyone at Kilohearts!!
You can download all their stuff (trial) and try it out with all their snap plugins.
Use blue cat mB7 mixer for have multiband for any vst plugin
Phasing issues with this plugin? Also if you use multiple aux with EQ cuts as band splitter would this give rise to phasing issues (that is when not using this plug-in)
That Nokia snake killed me 🤣
The Blue Cat MB 7 does the same thing for around $129 and allows you to use your own plugins. I haven't tried it yet but on the surface it would appear to be much better value and much more flexible.
About every producer 😂 “alright let’s get serious”
Bluecat MB-7 V3 is pretty the same concept but you can load 3rd party VSTs.
Can someone tell me what video plays when he explains LFO's, I've been trying to find it but no luck, makes me laugh so hard.
I have to say that this plug has a lot of potential. I mean, I do use Studio One, but this has everything in one place and you would have to use the splitter thing. I give it a thumbs up! Still not going to give up all my Fabfilter plugs though. Love them too much. But if I was starting, this would probably be most of what I would need.
On the cost issue - KiloHearts do incredibly good sales - I was able to get their works package for roughly $70 last year. That’s everything they sell for less than a hundred dollars.
Do you know around what time they do their sales?
If you use Ableton, you can do this with the audio effects rack. Assuming your chains start with an EQ, each chain in the rack can be restricted to specific bands. I made a simple three band delay effect without much effort.
Ha! I just love how much fun you're having with that snake! Could you please explain the Sandstorm from De Rut joke? I still haven't found a video that explains that, but it's funny how dryly you say it, like it's totally new, and it won't be a completely song from the last time you made the joke. I really wish I understood the joke!
Checkout Bluecoat MB7, 7 band with all your VST and AU to insert per band. I love it! Brauerize your mix.
Please review Kilohearts new EQ. It's intriguing. I have a few of their other products that they released before the Multiband (In Reason it's called something else, I think).
Also, I forgot about this super amazing plugin from Blue Cat Audio. A multiband delay that can host 3rd party plugins www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_LateReplies/
Tried to look after the song used in this video but think theres only a remix of it available, found some finnish trance music from early 2000.
Really glad i found this channel ... you're a nice guy too which helps haha
there's another way avoiding this plug in :D ... in fact I want to use my plug ins and not to be obliged to use their ones/
Thus Duplicate the track and send the original and duplicate to a sub.
Then, filter out the band you want to effect, on the duplicated track. And apply the plug in to that filtered band ...
At the same time, cut out the processed band on the original (if you need, or if you want).
It seems a great approach to new sounds. Got me an idea of splitting a track in 3 ranges ( using bypass filters) and the processing (or not) each one separately and bringing them back. Would that work like it? ( of course, this plugin is a great saving time for that)
Can anyone explain the difference between the KILOHEARTs "multipass" and the "snap heap"? In the multipass, there are already effects, or you have to have them before?
the one from blue cat can handle your own vsts www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_MB7Mixer/
KHs Phase Plant has the game space invaders inside the plugin XD
Low Freezer Frezaqincyosckillaytore....Where is it from???
Tip: if you have Ableton Live, you can do everything this plugin does, and it's almost half the price.
Kilohearts limiter is one of the best for fast, heavy material.
Hands down Kilohearts show promise in quality software.
I don't know why droot sandstorm sound different every time I listen to it
Would love to see what you think about the new Waves Abbey roads Chamber reverb. I think it has some potential to be awesome but eat the CPU. SNAKE OIL?!?
If you loved this plugin you must try Blue Cat Audio's MB-7 Mixer! It can host 3rd party plugins like you wanted. www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_MB7Mixer/
3:47 A SINE SNAKE OMFG
hy-plugins also has a per band fx plugin. And Blue Cats Audio.
best snake oil vid while the snake is inside^^
You should check out the new phase plant synth.
BTW have you tried MXXX from meldaproduction its way cooler than these (i think)
I was going to say the exact thing, MXXX is the beast! But Kilohearts have some cool plugins too
Why did they have to put the XXX on it? My mind isn't pure anymore.
MXXX is cool, but the KiloHearts plugs are flawlessly programmed - low latency, transparent audio processing, low CPU impact, clear and easy to use GUI. The full package really is worth swooning over.
This one hosts other plugins:
www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_MB7Mixer/
This is one of those cases where you have to decide if for the same prace is it worth or better to spend those 1014 EUROS in an analog procesor for me i would not spend that kind of mony in digital software unless it is a good emulation and the real thing cost a fortune, that is the ony case i would go for a digital representation, but in this case it is ridiculous that a 100 EURO tool needs more than 300 EUROS worth of invesmetn to work, not logical y my mind and does not make any sence at all, a 200US dollar Izitope software brings everything you need, this is old school mentality and the reason why i don't like to by digital tools that often because of that ridiculous pricing, for me i will spend that money in analog, this is truly SNAKE OIL hand down.
Too much coffee? o_O
6:18 oh hell yeah I want to see that!!
What’s that song / track ?
ruclips.net/video/y6120QOlsfU/видео.html
Isn't this a little like the mb-7 without being able to use your own vst's?
toneboosters next
Those saying they use this plug on everything they own must have purchased the r2r version... no serious guy would ever spend 500 bucks on a plug-in that literally splits the frequency into 5bands and allows to chain dumb 'snapins', that cost 19, 29 bucks, etc, as simple as a gain button... a chorus, phaser... even an 'hass effect'...
Nobody would EVER put 500 bucks on it, let alone buy the core plugin and keep buying separate snapins, for a total of 1'100 $/€ !
With that money, any serious guy, or even just a smart guy, would rather pick an ableton live, studio one or even cubase, and then, buy fl studio or Reason 10, and slave it inside the main daw...
BETTER: would over 1'000 bucks, a guy would be able to purchase a fantastic delay plugin, as well as a chorus, phaser, reverb, compressor, eq, distortion, arpeggiator (keanu cream costs 35 bucks and probably is the best arpeggiator/trancegate out there...along the 45 bucks xfer Chthulu arp...), and even buy a plugin capable of splitting frequencies, like blue cat audio...and then create amazing effect chains, with amazing top plugins, WITH THE possibility of using/adding our own vst plugs to the effect chains...and WITH ALL THESE PLUGINS, one wouldn't even get close to the 1'000 bucks mark ! ! !
This kiloherts and its insane prices are lucky to have the support and ads from kvraudio... and because the dev must be making a ton of cash with this plugin scam, I'm sure they are paying like 20% of the cash back to kvraudio and a few other forums...
No serious website, reviewer or pro user would ever praise this plug-in, and dare tell users 'ohhh, it's great, go and go throw your 500/1000$ down the toilet'... NOBODY would ever say it.!
This plug-in would be a nice little plugin, at 69 or 79 bucks, with ALL the snapins. 500 or 1100 bucks for it, it's a true scam.
Again, any serious user would rather spend 500 bucks on a soundtoys bundle, flux... fabfilter... uhe bundle...mmelda bundle..or simply buy top quality separate plugins... than THIS SHIT.
Please, don't promote this trash. And worse, the demo only comes with a few selected snapins... users can't even 100% test it. What a scam.
This plugin deserves getting cracked and pirated, to avoid people wasting tons of cash on a product they can only test about 15-20% of the full product.
Just imagine the kid that nust started making music... got some hardware... bought his first daw... and wherever he goes, he has tons of ads for this shit.... it looks so promising and amazing, the kid will grab all his saved money and will buy it, thinking the plugin will turn all his beginner productions into radio-ready hits with amazing effects everywhere, because... everywhere he would go, he would get ads for it.
Again, please, guys, don't promote this crap, DON'T BUY this crap, and if, you really really really think you need it and it's gonna enhance your tracks like magic, do yourself a favor, and search for the R2R version, SO YOU CAN test 100% of the app, with 100% of the snapins !
Ps. I'm not promoting piracy ! I'm just asking people to find and try an alternative way to install and TRY the app with ALL its snapins available, instead of trying a dumb demo with only 20% of the content!
fasttracker ;)