CREATING the PERFECT LOW END!? || MTM - BASSROOM
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What I love about audio engineers or musicians is that they always tell you that its not really about the equipment, while siting in a studio with a lots of high end equipment.
i would say 50/50 without the mastermind the equipment/plugins will be worthless but mastermind with little equipment could make magic
He mentioned that though.
@@DHOBSESSIONS The real question is, can you become a mastermind without having tried high end gear first.
@@Maitch3000 yes
Warren Huart has done a few vids doing just that - stock plugs, and reasonably priced headphones
It’s a great plugin for home studios - just as a note, when you load your own reference track you can select a smaller portion of the track and it seems to get a better “goal setting” (like a chorus section)
I know I'm a little late on this but I have emailed the guys at MTM and have even helped find bugs in the plugin which have all been fixed in the updates. Anway, I can confirm that this plugin DOES actually give great suggestions for low end tailoring. Actually, I was experimenting one night, and used pair of regular "crap" speakers (Kilpsch ProMedia 2.1) which have poor frequency response for low end (although they are a great set of PC speakers) and did a quick master with Bassroom, just the low end. I then checked it on my my pair of HS8s and yes, the sound was pretty balanced.
Next, I took a song I was mixing, and for the hook, I used a pair of Avantones in mono, and did a quick mix and master on a pair of HS50m (the original pair with the the 80Hz lowcut switch in the back). Ok, so I cheated a little and used a reference track with Bassroom and Plugin Alliance's Audio Metric AB. Lol...I was actually blown away at how well the track actually sounded not having the ability to actually hear anything below 90Hz because of the lowcut at 80Hz. It actually sounded relatuvely amazing. It's like...if you're going to take a guess at the lowend...with those two plugins and no way to hear the low end, most likely, your mix will actually sound more than satisfactory, by literally, mixing blind. Lol. It's actually quite interesting. We have a lot of tools now, that we didn't have years ago. I'd say, the combination of those two plugins can take anyone to another level within minutes. I'm actually amazed every time I use them. At the time of writing this, I've had months to experiement with both those plugins and I can say with all honesty...for Bassroom...it's totally worth it. Metric AB...totally worth it. Having both!? Well, test them both out and decide for yourself. Personally, I wish I had these years ago.
Another cool trick with importing a song into the plugin is being able to select just a section for it to analyze, like just the chorus, instead of the whole song.
I have added the suite to my Mastering chain and its given me a massive boost in quality. I was struggling with this track I had been sitting of for almost a year. It sounds amazing.
I've just recently discovered your channel, and I'm really enjoying it. I like the way you approach each plugin for the first time on screen. Also, from what I can tell, you always seem to use the demo so there's no possibility of "bias". I really like the content and your personality too! (I rarely comment on social media, but I think people like you deserve it). Keep up the good work, man!
Also, I got this plug-in awhile ago, but haven't had the chance to check it out. Definitely gonna give it a shot during my next mix.
I think its great. What is a handy feature is the gainmatch suggester. Perfect level match, and that way you are ALSO effectively changing mid and highs and some harshness CAN dissapear in the process due to the mix lacked lowend and that was creating more harshness, either way it makes you focus on what is important. It does not solve frequency masking, rather enhance it making you work harder in the right places!
I really love the REFERENCE plugin by them (Mastering the mix)
Don't forget to adjust the output fader (based on the suggestion notch in that section) to level match your output after the BASSROOM processing. After you cut and boost they will move the little orange notch slider on the output section of the plugin! Skal
I'm most often on the acoustic side of things (as opposed to electronic) here at Big Boys Studios, and Bassroom has proved to be a *great* tool for me.
I said this before but I really like your videos !
Everything you say is backed up by knowledge and then slightly tweaked by your personal opinion.
Both are of great value for us viewers.
your channel really shows the potential of youtube as an exploring & educational platform and ofcourse a bit of entertainment.
I love how companys send you their plugins for exposure but if its not good they will actually shoot themselfs in the foot XD.
Like always keep up the greatwork and lead us on this journey of the perfect sound !
Keep them videos coming buddy, my new fav RUclips channel, cheers and thanks.
Love your channel !! Really appreciate your plugin reviews !!
This is the must have plugin for home studios. In combination with a subpac you get awesome results. I use it since it came out and don't like to miss this awesome plugin again
Not all are audio engineers so bassroom is amazing for me. It brought my stuff to another level
I think this is actually helpful in any genre with bass and drums, really good to tighten up things.
So.. firstly, you saying "it sounds good" win... but then it has these fetures that someone with a mind for knowing what people would ask for if they weren't afraid to say "hold my hand".
Amazing video again, thank you for slowly filling my libary with no nosnse plugins that I don't regret
The interface looks like level 2 in the Nintendo game Contra.
Right
Use this plugin about 2 month, and love it. Use it to check low end on every mix I work on.
Tema Stratocasterov do you use the genre suggestions or your own reference tracks ?
You're an AWESOME plugin nerd. Thanks, good show man!
I think the presets are brilliant here, it's true purpose is to give you a general direction for specific genres etc... Amazing plugin really! thank you for this review
Recently purchased this, thanks for a great first look!
Great demo! Hope you're well.
Fun fact: analog EQ suffers from the same ringing as digital EQ. Both are using the same principles to cause the changes, so they have the same side effects.
Yes
this plug in is dope it brings out sweet spots in the lows
I was always curious about this plug-in. Maybe i will try the demo!
Great vst to get your wanted low end. Good video! 🔥
Great review as always. I feel you really got the idea across even without reading the manual haha! Dig it!
Thanks for a video!
Thank you for making this video. I would love to use this plugin when mastering.
You have amazing style man 😊😊
Yesss needed thatttt
Well hey, at least you made me feel pretty good about my purchase of this plugin... thank you for all you do!
Cool video, Cool plugin
I don’t know if this would take me away from using multi band EQ and and multi band compression, but I do like the comparison impulse response feature. Thanks for the review
This plug in is excellent!
I wonder what changing the Q looks like on the plugin analyser.
good question man
@@konaraweb steeper curve of amplification (resonance)
He didn't try it, because he never is reading a manual.
great review thanks!
Mastering the mix makes quality products
All of the mastering in the mix plug ins are fantastic.
Brandon Watkins I strongly agree...this guy though is quite annoying
@@oveidamusic5703 No way. He's one of the most straightforward, informative, and measured audio engineers on RUclips.
Great review
I checked their website and they seem to have a bunch of really interesting and affordable plugins...If these things actually deliver what the video says. Hope you check out their other trials as well. Especially "Reference" and "Animate"
@Bryon Dean . I would like to see Pensado EQ reviewed too! I probably wouldn't think demo any plugin that expensive myself but when you work 90%+ in the box i think its worth looking at convolution based solutions if you ever really want a slightly "more" analogue feel. The IR community used to share everything and communicate openly but the best got headhunted by Altiverb (Fokke van Saane we're looking at you! Another Legendary Netherlander). Static snapshots of out of reach spaces and hardware have really helped me to cheaply train my ears (a little). I've personally been obsessed with IR's for years now so a recreation of an entire signal path , dynamically applied , is a fascinating glimpse into a €100k studio for a geek like me (i know it's called an eq but it's not just equalising afik). It IS arguably just some of Dave's "colour pallet" in snapshots, but personally i think that in it's self is fascinating! Possibly not "the end to all shitty mixes" but i'd like someones opinion with better monitors and ears than mine lol .. Keep up the good work
Mooie en interessante video Wytse. 😎👍👊✌️
nice analysis of this plugin! I've never seen a "plugin doctor" before. super interesting. as a fellow audio engineer that just finished mixing an orchestra and taming low-end timpani resonances before watching this video, I kept being distracted by the 150hz resonance your microphone was picking up :P
I bet this would be awesome for Dub and dub techno which is what I produce a lot of. Heavy on the subs and bass which trying to get them to not vanish on crap speakers is always a balance.I just got their mastering the mix plug-in from plug-in boutique and have to say I love it. I have other reference plugins but I’m still unsure of what I’m doing so it’s like having a pair of training wheels on a bike.
I like a Bass Room, very nice!
That's a fair review. For beat based dance music this program is invaluable if you don't have good monitors etc. It absolutely does sort out the bass level and makes the bass tighter. A pro mixing or mastering engineer with a good audio setup could maybe get by without it.
looks like a 3D Tetris game !
I liked it
I imagine the ability to get the targets on the low end is amazing for psytrance tracks
So, the ummph (outside of eqing digitally) that you loose, happens to almost all of us when we mix multiple tracks of broadband frequency information together on conventional monitoring systems. This is especially for mixes done in rooms that have not been treated and tuned to the speaker systems that are in them. I can't explain why because I don't have a Dr of physics and engineering in acoustics. But, the one who explained it to me says that it happens around the 118hz to 125 hz range. Just pick your favorite mix and watch it on the spectral. You will notice that the area I am describing will be dropping below the 0db line. I have started adding some of this to my mastering process or correcting it in the mix. It will be different for every track but it will be somewhere around those frequencies. After you do, the car test will sound much better in that punchy area. Next, This plug-in actually made some interesting moves. Thanks for sharing as always. Great video. Cheers!
UI looks interresting, a bit like game with that target matching.
Good video, appreciated the deeper look ... To me it seems like an EQ with some interesting curves between zones, and perhaps a less or more unique way to visualize the sound space on the up down 3d plane... like drawers in a dresser on its back... heh
I wonder what it's doing in the harmonics department? Can you run a sweep and see what it adds?
I'm unconvinced about the audability of filter ringing in the low end, considering how much a physical transducer and especially room add. Group delay has been studied a fair amount for example and has a high threshold.
The unusual frequency shaping and possibly harmonic effect is more interesting to me. The target feature is good too :)
Sounds cool. Should I use this plugin after or before compression?
This plugin is badass. I use it all the time. This and Gulfoss...dear God.
def. interested in your weird way of checking the low end. Can u mention more on this plse? Mine wld include A/Bing against certain ref tracks, checking on headphones, earbuds, cellphone & some diff. sets of speakers that I 'know', or am slowly getting to know :)
did you try to do the same settings with any other EQ as Q3nor even native of Reaper?
Surely being able to move the frequency values would make sense? The key of track will have a big effect on where the crossover points should be. Selecting the key of the track at the start should move those points on the gui.
You would think that would be restrictive, I agree. But actually, it doesn't bother me at all. It just works. It's quick & easy to use and gets great results. For me anyway.
@@BigBoysStudios Thanks Steve. It's something I am considering to buy. There's no sale on the UK download at the moment, so I'll see what happens. It's good to know you're getting great results though.
I guess it is restrictive to have a focus on a good sound as a good mix isn't always dependent on to be mixed in key or having a strong focus on harmonic mixing system. You don't need any phase or frequency correction just some reference points and boom you get it sound perfect right? But having tools like metric ab, eq3, dsm v3 and bax EQ still make someone questioning tools like that any worries bassroom and levels are both great to nail it down and are technologically top notch for that matter
Moving the frequency bands in the low-end would compromise the quality of the unique filters, which is why we've chosen to not add that in BASSROOM :)
Awesome review, thanks man!! Someone have using it in the output of mix , before the master?
I bought this thing a couple of months ago thinking it would be a nice addition to my master chain. I tried to use it on multiple tracks but could never find a good fit for it. Even if you want to use it subtly, it creates distortion extremely quickly. The lack of a visual analyzer in the interface is also a big downside. I mainly produce melodic techno so I can't speak for other genres.
You should do a snake oil video on UAD plugins (1073, G Bus, Tube Tech) or a snake oil video on TC Electronics Desktop controlled plugins !! Your RUclips channel is amazing
I would really like a uad video too! Make it happen!
+1
+1
I have UAD setup. What do u want to know ?
Mr Sc1 I have a UAD setup too. I just wanted his opinion on all of it because his reviews are really interesting.
A really good point: "A good engineer can still deliver good mixes, even if he isn't in a "world-class" studio."...I mean, how many mixes I have heard from "world-class" studios and I was really disappointed, they couldn't find a better engineer...that's true and is actually sad...and then you hear engineer from home studios, who deliver world-class mixes!
jlx_music very great point!
You are right, there are no great songs recorded and mixed in Sunset Sound Studio, Trident, Townhouse, Record Plant, Motown, Paisley Park, Flyte Time or Capitol Studios and...
Hmm I totally missed this plugin. Gonna try it out in my never ending quest for prefect low end 😎
Electronic an organic music is what you was looking for at the end..^^
I really like your way of looking at those plugins and music stuff things.. Really critical and honest.. Keep doing and pushing! The world has enough people liking just every crap out there.. And seems you really know what you are talking about. Just great content! ;)
Something i was thinking about the last days.. Nowadays there are so many peaople doing music without any musical education and pretty limited knowledge about that technical part of production.. But everyone is producing and releasing.. For me as a educated musician and producer is this pretty frightening.. All that 'not so good' music (from a musical/ music harmony view) influences the whole market and the consumers are getting used to that crap'ish stuff... For example that annoying high hat in trap music.. Is it so hard to change some velocities or sidechain-compress that stuff..? ... And it influenced that whole market....
And just so btw.. i checked your instagram out... You ARE a god dmn influencer..! You influence me pretty hard with your critical thinking.. But i think i'm fine with that.. ;)
Never wrote that kinda long comment for a youtube-video.. Sorry for that! So..! Your great, keep doing, i'm opening a musicstudio end of dezember (4 months of working for that), any advice? :P
Cheers!
It's like Tontal Balance Control specifically for Low end. But I agree. The interface is fun, but I would prefer if it made it more clear what it is you are doing to the audio and what the plugin is doing.
1:20 just got me thinking 'cmon, dont be that guy, nerd'
Check out SKnote AnyTesla. Cool transformers saturator. You should like the GUI ;) Also A25 - great emulation of API 2500 comp. Outstanding attack (smack).
This guy is so cool
So … other than overall frequency range, how is this any different from any other matching eq?
Would this be effective to use on a premaster track with vocals already mixed in or naw?
What is the name of that version of sandstorm by darude ? There seems to be a hundred of them haha
Can you link to that analyzer you used to see what Bassroom was doing?
I would like to see you review the Pensado EQ.
Bryon Dean yes please do!!
Yeah please do bro!!!
Yes we need another snake oil showdown with AA!
I thought this eq was interesting, so I would like to hear this guys thoughts. Not looking to shut down anyone.
It feels weird thinking about using an eq made out of impulse responses. but if it works, it works. I've been curious about their diamond color eq, which is what i think that the pensado eq is based on.
This plugin is Amazing. MixbusTV did the BEST review. This was good for quick glance but to really get more in depth check it.
Can't find the mixbus review. What's the title? (thanks)
@@tadpringle3148 ruclips.net/video/Jq2DnGN3z0I/видео.html
@@UKBreakz Thanks!
@@UKBreakz Thank you!!
I'm a graduated electronic engineer and I'm studying automation engineering. I'm a lot passionate with audio. Wich school should I make to become and audio engineer? You mensioned capacitors and inductors so I think you made a school with non only mixing inside (such as the most of the courses I saw...). Which school you made to be so prepared about audio systems?
Can't find those sound examples for linear phase ringing u spoke about around 2:30...?
i bought it.its great for metal.
What are your "weird ways" of checking the low end of a track ?
Naked, with the windows open.
Dave Lordy What’s so weird about that? Doing that every day 🤣🤣
by putting your pee pee in the speaker vent, push play, if pee pee feel funny you're home :)
COOL TRACK! What was it/?
What you think about t racks mic room?
I've always liked Flux analyzers, but for some reason I never got any of their plugs for my home studio. They where of course in many studios I've been in. But ever since I found Nugen Audio I havn't looked back as they have filled the void for me and then some! Some of the best and overlooked analyzers, sterioizers, and correction type of software out there. And some very interesting stuff that blurs the lines a little bit. If you havnt tried Nugen Audio give it a go, especially for mastering work! They are essential for me, and this pluggin(Mastering the Mix Bassroom) seems to fit in the same catagory as I consider Nugen Audios plugins. Nugen Audio is a very overlooked plugin company!
Yes, the analyzer is something else
can you review the spl Iron plugin?
the beat is crazy bro,, like your videos ;)
peace and keep it up
can i find somewere this beat from the video???
epidemic sound is where I get my music...
@@Whiteseastudio Searching, can't find the beat!! Pls help
Can you review Signal Noise SN03 please? New Tape saturation plugin. Its free. It has version with no GUI, you should like it :)
I dunno still feel better when im eq the low lows out by myself but looks nice !
ever tried this on already released tracks? like a hit song mixed by top engineer and see what the target says?
Hmm, how about for Reggae or funk? I will maybe get this sometime, nice presentation - upbeat!
I'm happy I got this - very useful for dance styles as you say
A crucial setting is the Q, which Mr Oil didn't adjust...which would have made his eq graph look quite different. BTW, I ind Bassroom useful on my Americana tracks...there is nothing worse than a string bass with no stones. Same with contemporary country.
"How to use it in four steps....... let's not read that!" 😂😂
check in the mierder out or snake in the mierder oil ?
Could you make a snake oil video about this new plugin: Basslane Pro by Tone Projects?
Would really like to hear your professional opinion on it.
Yep, I'd hire Alan Parsons in a cowshed (complete with cows) over Fiverr Freddie in Abbey Road.
To me this sounds interesting but more like one of those presets on a cheap Boom Box that say things like Techno and do something that makes the music sound a bit "spacey".
The EQ curves are interesting. I am a fan of non-linear shapes as the ear does find them interesting.
I think I'd have to A/B on my own material to see if I liked it. But as you say I am not in the EDM/Rap space so...
Creating the perfect low end - I would start with creating a perfect listening position with perfect monitor placement and room treatment.
'Perfect' doesn't exist and/or comes at a cost, normally a huge one. So any tool that eliminates my, or the room's flaws is always welcome, right?
perfect low end can only be achieved by using the right sources straight away...
I only have studio headphones and a shitty room :(
@@mrpickenz7760 great audio engineers don't make music what it is because they have amazing equipment they make music what it is because they learn how to use the equipment/plugins there are no "bad" audio engineers just ones who either jumped in too fast expecting to know what everything is and does. or ones who took time to do play with plugins and understand how different effects work instead of jumping in and overloading their brains with confusing information.
You can make amazing music with even a laptop and a laptop mic it's how your using it that makes that big difference just a word of encouragement to let you know equipment is not everything you need to make amazing hits
@@mrpickenz7760 Don't let that stop you from being creative. Actually, using headphones is better, you don't need ''room treatment'' and you can hear detail much better, specially lower frequencies. Just get really good at knowing your headphones and practice, practice, practice. That way, when you get a pair of monitors you''ll crush it on headphones and monitors! But seriously, headphones are more accurate if you know them fully.
Reaper 6. Review?
Besides the gui, in what way is this different than the lower part of a regular eq?
He spoke plenty about the ringing and altered Q factor. Thats the main difference :)
Has transformers and caps built in:-) You can do that now with algorithms .
Video on building a basic studio please.
need to test on a non mastered track to see if it really helps
subbed just for your accent