Why Hip Hop NEEDS a ADULT ONLY RAP Genre!
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
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I've said it before: Pop Rap, Alternative Rap, Street Rap, Progressive Rap...Rap album of the year should embody the spirit of Hip Hop as a whole~
HipHop and Rap are two different groups. Hiphop is rapping and singing together, R&B is singing , rap is rapping. So are you a HipHop artist ? Are you R&B artist ? Are you a Rapper? There is a difference
don't forget phunk (a new thing anime musicians made)
@@lylechipperson3407this shit these new kids ain't rapping, they singing in autotune, no disrespect but they sound different like sonically. They need to separate the genre, into multiple genres. I like melodic rap, hell grew up on Bone, but Bone was the only one doing, nowadays alot of the kid sound like a Bone clone with autotune. While some older rapper got slappers that are more traditional. Separate everything so ppl can get put against similar acts instead of against all these clout rappers.
Can’t leave out category that started with Limp Bizcuit and Kid Rock & now MGK et al - Rock Rap
@@cartier2312 Hiphop is the culture as a whole. Rap is the art form of MC’ing.
As a white dude who was raised on rock, this conversation is spot on. I remember when Nirvana came out and all of a sudden it seemed like there were separate lanes for them, Guns 'N Roses, Metallica, U2, Aerosmith, etc. for them all to excel and succeed. It was obvious from the time A Tribe Called Quest got me into hip hop in '98 that there were way too many artists that were just labeled "rap"; and this was over 25 years ago and nothing has changed!! There are so many legacy acts in hip hop now, still making viable NEW music, and there needs to be some distinction. Not only would it benefit the artists, but the fans new to the genre too to easily find more artists in a certain vein that speaks to them.
But Nirvana set out to separate from that era of Metal and Glam Rock that got too commercial and didn’t have the same conscious that grunge had. Grunge sound was different, the subject matter was different, the overall culture of grunge was different. None of these artist in hip hop set out to fundamentally make different music from Hip Hop like that.
Tyler the creator has complained about this
Yes it does, just like Adult Urban Contemporary. It would extend the "shelf life" of mature artists and allow the over-30s to still enjoy the genre without the youthful foolishness of the younger rappers.
Consumerism, younger people make debt, older people make wiser financial decisions. I remember shows where the main characters were older people. Matlock, Murder She wrote. It's like THEY are hiding all the old people from us. Are THEY trying to dumb down society?
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Should we make a petition or how we go about this
Culturally we need to respect maturity. When I was growing up we never really cared about age as much as you could tell how out of touch someone was because of their age. It wasn’t age-ism it was about being out of touch. These 40 & 50 year old aren’t out of touch like it was back then. Some are making their best songs but the younger crowd act like they have to respond a certain way just because their 50.
Age ain’t what age use to be. We didn’t have 50 year olds like snoop, Jay, and 50…and we admired our legends.
@@planetgwap a petition on that change website petitioning Billboard, NARAS, Mediabase and Nielsen Soundscan would do it. Change, then a period, then o r g is the website
An adult contemporary hiphop sub genre would give a second wind to a lot of up and coming artists who are 35+.
We need to stop lusting after youth and stop acting like there’s only one culture. When we were growing up the black community had many cultures based on generations. The older crowd was old school (70’s-80’s) R&B, Soul, and funk. They had their own thing that made up our culture. Younger crowd had the current Hip hop and R&B for that time. But it in the 2010’s people didn’t want to grow up and the younger generation started feeling themselves so now we have 40yr olds and 20 yrs olds acting like their in the same generation. Going to the same clubs, listening to the same music, dressing the same way. We coexisted with old school but we weren’t the same culturally. With age we came to appreciate the old school but it still wasn’t ours. We don’t have that distinction anymore.
itz not about age tho, itz about subject matter... there could be a 35 year old rapper who appeals to a younger audience, he or she wouldn't be an adult contemporary hiphop artist, but a 20 year old with mature material who appeals to an older more mature crowd would be... itz all about the target audience, an adult who raps for kids wouldn't fit in that category...
@@GriffinPoole I agree it's a lot to do with subject matter and writing quality. Turn up music and meme rap only works when you're a younger type of listener. When you're a little older and you care about what thoughts enter your brain you need to start being selective about what to listen to.
@@irshadazeez4764 exactly, u get it...
Punch is right we need a category for adults and for the young respectfully treat this in a hip hop balance
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HipHop is Adult HipHop
The category for youth needs the label:
PopHop, PopRap, Melodic Hop, VibezBop… something like that
I agree 100%. I’ve always felt Hip Hop needs a contemporary sub-genre, because there’s a demographic of ppl 35-44 and older who aren’t being catered to who still love Hip Hop, but, want a variety of artists who gives them a balanced experience. I’m an aspiring artist and I’m 45. I’ve never wanted to give up my love for Hip Hop.
Why won't you give your love to the Lord?.
@@karlsmith2451 That’s strictly theirs to question. 🖕🏾🖕🏾🖕🏾🖕🏾🖕🏾
The different K DOT MERCH every episode killin me😂
Look up Michael Kreiser.
Man, I agree with punch. Adult hip hop category. Generation x is still relevant and listening to hip hop.
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We out here 😂
LOVE this point! I've been saying this for YEARS! Durk should not be in the same category as Kendrick or Killer Mike...ever. And thats no disrespect to Durk. We. Need. Separate. Categories. Period.
With PVNCH on this one. There should be an adult rap genre so that the two generations of rap music are separated and allow the artists of their respective generations to get attention, compete, and thrive in their own spaces. We need more convos about this.
I totally agree 👍 we need more conversations like this
Shout out to you Curtiss using your platform to shine light on conversations like these. Each one teach one ❤.
thank you for highlighting that conversation. its very much needed. I think the industry has never been interested in promoting mature Black perspectives/voices, its inconsistent with marketing Black dysfunction and death. I'm gonna make sure to stream Common and Pete Rocks album.
We definitely need to do this. Pvnch is 100% correct. And like you said Curtiss we all are not trying to achieve the same goals with our music. We have a different vibes, different intentions and looking for different outcomes. All the talking points on this topic are spot on. Let’s get this done Hip Hop.
If BET is for black entertainment, why haven't they done it yet?
They’re no longer black owned and aren’t going to care
Cuz the boule class trying to be entertainers. And not directing traffic..
It's not black owned...lol
Hiphop needed subgenres recognised by the early 90s. No way you can place Juicewrld and Joey Bada$$ in the same category/subgenre
The uncle ruckas analogy was crazy 😂
What a great conversation!!! Bro.... I can't even respect your platform enough. 🙌🏾👑💯
I separated myself from the rest years ago with the term GMR (Grown Man Rap)
…glad that others are catching up now. 🥂
I call it dad hop 😂. It is what it is.
@@7ookee there's tik tok cartoon rappers under 25 with multiple kids or hooligan drill rappers under 25 with multiple kids. they're dads. So wtf does that even mean? lol
@@irshadazeez4764 yeah, it's not a perfect label. I'm just thinking more in terms of Millenial/Gen X and above music. we can't be all in the same pool from generation to generation. GenZ and Gen Alpha are different,a dn the music reflects that.
I think the issue and sentiment is that the empowering message of hip-hop has long been missing. The days of “Self Destruction” and “All in the Same Gang” are long gone.
Hip-hop is really dark now...Drill/Trap took over 🚬😮💨
Maaaaan.....your content is ALWAYS ON TIME. Thank you King!
LL Cool J is the Genuine Article if you wanna talk about longevity.
He just told us his secret in this video.
LL was always himself. Thats it.
That is the secret to him being in this game so long. Its that simple. Be/ Do you 💯
It’s a slippery slope! “I’m not rapper, I’m a poet.”
Adult Hip-Hop
Christian Hip- Hop
Gospel Rap
Trap
Southern Trap
Instrumental Hip Hop
Conscious Hip Hop
House Hip Hop
I agree. I felt as if Hip-hop has several genre that arent put in there own category. I love all forms of hip-hop that fuses so many different aspects of music.
Super dope video and I feel like this is the beginning of a conversation we'll be having from here on out, Adult Rap, I like it
Yeah, Good grab Curtis! This is dope. That is mad intelligent! 👍🏼
I've been saying this for nearly a decade. The lack of subgenres is insulting.
I started rapping, boombap type of stuff turned producer and when I restarted doing songs I had a goal of being genre fluid in a sense, due to that I classify myself in the alternative genre, alternative to every genre I'm doing. Only because I'm not fully in the genre.
I hope something comes out of this conversation because it would be great for young artists
This guy is speaking facts. It's the same with the music of my country, Reggaeton. Reggaeton, it's not recognized as it. It's recognized as "Urban Music" or "Urban Latin Music" and that's simply not it. There's Spanish Rap & Spanish HipHop even a kind of R&B in Spanish and Reggaeton is different than those categories i mentioned. There's some Reggaeton beats that sound POP, So yeah those song's fall under "Urban Latin Music" or "POP Latin Music"
But hey....🤷🤦🏻🙅.
This is Spot on. Even R&B has it with Old School, 90s to Neo Soul, etc... Rap needs to evolve. It will allow more substance to be created in this space.
I get called an old head because I can't find enjoyment in this new wave of "vibe". I want lyricism, I want some sort of message, I want meaning to the music I listen to. It doesn't have to be preachy, it could be something fun like say Classified but I also want something with a serious message like a Public Enemy or maybe something that straddles the line a bit more like an RA The Rugged Man or Atmosphere but if there is zero substance to it then I don't really have a lot of time in my day for it and I don't want to make time for it. It is just McDonalds in hip hop form.
@@PuffinPass I feel you. I think most people born after 2000 are dumb...I wouldn't put much thought into their lack of thought and opinions
being health conscious includes mental health for sure. hip hop has a lot of sickness in it because of what it's rooted in. we only realise this when we get older and start to be selective about what we take into our system - body and mind both.
I wasn’t on board at first but this is really valid because the reality is the genre has evolved into new sub genres as music changes generation to generation. There are oldies stations and contemporary. The old heads tend to have to be like I don’t like the new shit but there’s no real room for the artists they like to make music.
You've just earned a new subscriber big time 🙌
conversations like this are necessary. i think we forget how young of a genre hip hop is.
Hearing Common's BE album is the 1st time I thought this.
It was AMAZING but didn t seem to be in the same category of 50 Cent's GRODT or Onyx's BTFU.
It kinda stood out in regards to THAT style of Hip Hip.
I just didn t know how to articulate it back then.
Ayo he's right tho as an Artist it's hard because My music is something like what he said I Rhyme as well as Sing not really RnB it has some melodic aspects RUclips list me as Tropical,Hiphop, Melodies 🤔 Mostly about Relationships/Relatable Situations. Keep doin ya thing Curtis
as an Old school west coast rap listener,......this ish should have happened decades ago.
Too short was never gangster rap, hell most bay area rappers rapped about hustler/player ish.
that gangster stuff was L.A. but it all got slapped with that explicit lyrics sticker, and grouped together.
east coast west coast beef would never have gotten that bad.
I stand corrected, THANK YOU! This is the Curt we neeed 💯
As a consumer of Christian and conscious hip-hop, this has been a topic long discussed. I’m glad it’s spilling over into secular hip-hop to use the term loosely. More genres would be great. I would love to see a genre of conscious hip-hop, etc..
This is such an important conversation! Salute to King for bringing this convo to the platform. I personally know a lot hip hop artist 30+ who started in their 20s and never found their footing due to lack of access to equipment. Now with all the technology, its been hard for these artist to feel comfortable coming out as artist (and some settle for songwriting because they feel “unmarketable” at 30+).
All facts. This has infuriated me for years😂
I been breaking stuff down into categories. Like " Best group album ever" NWA N!&&@'$4Life" which I believe shaped hip hop as we know it today so it can also be most influential album. Twista "Adrenaline Rush" for greatest solo album ever while he ain't even close to being the greatest solo artist. Rap has really become that complex though... These things need to be broken down for these type of reasons.
Gotta agree man. Gotta niche out a bit.
Total Devastation working on new project
Damn now there is a name I haven't heard referenced in years. Good to hear they are still up and doing their thing.
I’ve been saying this for yrs. It’s unfair that such great artists miss out. I 100% agree 👍
Yes!!! Just like they created an award for best Hip hop/ R&B collab that basically started in late 90’s starting with LL Cool J, JaRule, Nate Dogg and later dominated by T-Pain, Akon, Weezy.
Being conspiratorial is lazy. So THEY are suppose to categorize our music for us? THEY are suppose to do something we don’t do ourselves? Our own award shows don’t separate hip hop into sub genres. Our own radio stations don’t separate hip hop. Why would THEY? And if THEY did so many people would have a problem with it because who are THEY to break our culture up into sub genres? It’s on us to do.
And criticizing us for not doing it is crazy because not everyone sees it. It’s not us not respecting our culture, it’s us even realizing the culture is splitting. Hip Hop has always had sub genres but we never separated them on platforms. There wasn’t a conscious hip hop station, party hip hop station, or a gangster rap station. So people didn’t think to separate it because these new sub genres are products of music derived from one aspect hip hop music. Example Kanye made MTBDF and Travis music is a direct derivative of that but we never separated Kanye’s music from Nas categorically. So why would we think to with Travis?
The question is did we even set out to create a new sub genre? Soft rock didn’t just happen. Grunge didn’t just happen. They intentionally left the mainstream and made a new genre. If they didn’t set out to do this then stop with the conspiracy angles until you’ve done the work to rule out internal issues first.
@@StephTerry-c2y I don’t think it’s about THEM making anything for us but rather just having a problem with current categorization but I get what you mean. It’s our genre so it’s our responsibility.
Well put and I’ll add we don’t need to separate it mature rap, we need to separate the immature stuff from true Hip Hop. The genre shouldn’t be about age because young rappers like Corde can rap with a sense of maturity. So it’s not about age but content.
@@Crown_Wreath_Creative BET Hip Hop awards don’t have a melodic category or party record category. We can’t expect the Grammies to do it.
@@stephanterry86 No I get it. That’s why I said it’s our responsibility. It’s not just on I’d be we start it.
@@Crown_Wreath_Creative🫡
Thinking about it...me from south Africa being a big fan of the art...we as the listeners already have these lane's we look at rappers but people at the top don't
KNOW WHO YOU ARE & WHERE YOU FROM TO BE CONNECTIN WITH HIP HOP
Call it a “Legends Category”. In addition to a separate chart, an artist could use that “graduation” to the new category to do a re-release of their freshman or sophomore album.
“Masters” category has a nice ring to it as well. They use that term in bodybuilding for ppl competing over 40.
What about older new artist? It’s good rappers that’s 40 plus that still deserves some shine in their own category.
Nocap you got the right one bro.
This is one of the best videos I've seen, adding sub genres to rap is brilliant. I never thought about it before!!
You be going in on the beat!😤💯
once the categories kick in, and they have a "real hiphop" category??? ALL THESE WHACK RAPS ARE DONE!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣FACTS!!
I do love the idea of more subgenres in hiphop and giving awards accordingly so a melodic rap sound isn’t necessarily competing with a lyrical sound and vice versa. I think bringing age would be discriminatory though. In basketball we don’t say Lebron is too old so he shouldn’t be competing with the 25 year old players and he should be on a different award. Just a thought. But overall I loved this clip.
THE VOICE OF HIPHOP IS SO INFECTIOUS NO ANTIDOTE NEEDED give me more Curtis
Hello Curtis I just so happened to post the original video in my field groups that I'm a part of I am 45 years old and I am still an inspiring produce things have started getting better in the in the past two to three years for me this is a very interesting conversation that needs to be kept up
I awlays felt that should be a "Hip-Hop/Rap Prestige Award" for rap/grammy veterans in the game as well and an Avant Guard Hip-Hop for those who do the Experiemental, Rap/R&B fusion that make it harder to Categorize. The recognition feels stingy in the vast catalogue of Hip-Hop Artistry..
This topic is what has kinda deterred me from telling people that im an artist because people have automatically assumed i make music that sounds like what's current and i don't.Having sub genres would help out alot of artists and also give the listeners and lil preview of the music type before assuming we're all the same
Tidal separates their playlist like that...Grown Rap, Alternative Rap, Drill Rap, Rap & Melodies, Etc... I don't use the other streaming platforms so I'm not sure how they do it
I’m glad to hear other people are thinking about this as well. The emergence of Kirko Bangz, Migos, even up to Lil Uzi should’ve spurned this convo. Their sounds, individually, we so divergent from what hip hop historically was that the “old heads” went at them Hard. They were simply pioneers and early adopters of new sub-genres.
**Even though Migos had a Midwest rapping cadence, they popularized the style over southern beats.
I'm new to your page. Already watched three videos and yo you can rap hella nice bro. I can't even lie. Love the content and love the raps you post in between. The music is definitely fire bro
Yes! Separate category needed. We don’t need to wait for someone else to create the genre though. We can start now, just need to agree on the terminology we’ll use going forward
House music does this too. Once you know the subgenre of it you like finding good music becomes easy.
I’m a musician and I’ve been seeing this forever it feels like. We definitely need separate genres but based on styles/type. Because what makes it “Adult” hip hop? Because I’m an adult and some of the hip hop I like is by some of these young cats who are making hiphop with the traditional spirit of lyricism. They aren’t Roddy and them guy’s either and they deserve their shine. It needs to be broken down by style/type and have no association with age. Age shouldn’t be a factor. You compete with everyone in your respective genre. I also think “Adult” is a bad choice because who are the adults? I know adults who don’t like the hip hop I like and the adults today will not be the adults of tomorrow. So will you change the style of music in that genre as time moves on and this younger generation become the adults? No, that doesn’t make sense because “adult” is not static. It’s forever changing. And if the music evolves again,we just create a genre specifically for it
Adult contemporary doesn't necessarily mean age. Adele at 21 was making adult contemporary pop music. It is about the styling. If you are a young artist but making music that leans on boom-bap styling...its leans heavily into lyricism, you shouldn't be classified with the melodic rappers. Creating an adult contemporary genre would actually get that young artist more ears because his new music would be grouped and packaged to a fan base that is already prepped to like and understand it. But it doesn't have to be about age necessarily. Kendrick Lamar was probably making adult contemporary hip hop when he made To Pimp a Butterfly.
Jay-Z - Hip Hop
Kdot - Hip Jazz
Drake - Pop Hop
Eminem - Hip Rock
Kanye - Sampled Hop
@@mater5930 Damn u onto something
@@fonzerelanah this is actually too much 💀💀💀
Them snippets be sLaPpiN 🔥🔥
THIS IS ALL GREAT! HOWEVER IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT WATCHED THIS THAT HAS A RELASTIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE IN THE INDUSTRY THAT CAN ACTUALLY BRING THIS UP AS AN IDEA TO PEOPLE THAT CAN MAKE THIS CHANGE?
Honestly this has been on my mind
Yep! BIG FACTS
The closest thing we have rn for this is like, different XM radio channels. Rock the Bells radio, Shade 45, etc... i agree with this thinking though, make them categories!
This revolutionary !
Solid Valid point
I think they should call it New Wave/Melodic HipHop.
True I think whenever someone think about sub categories of hip hop is base in regions and need to set up as age demographic and labeling new genres
This is a great topic. I think it changes the structure of music and society. As a culture, we have a tendency to put our older folks out to pasture. It is worse in music.
We don't need adult hiphop, we need substance hiphop 😂😂😂
i been saying that , great point.
You got the right one twin. In due time.
It's the artist that push back on the idea. They would say you're trying to place them inside box and limit their art. I remember rnb artist not liking neo-soul being placed on them back in the day
They are, intentionally, poorly categorizing it*
24:07 😂😂😂 Yes He's The Boogie Man
You got to start it start somewhere It starts from here let’s go
I love this. Thank you
Yo I been doing this, Curren$y is that Adult music 🤣🔥
Sidenote: “we don’t know if chick-fil-a is cooking with real meat” tickled me 😂
Pvnch speaking facts! 😳🫣
In HipHop you have already different Genre the big issue is when it comes to the awards that others do for the hiphop culture, and that fact that you have people being negative for years by limiting others by saying "you too old for this". As in hang it up once you turn 30 whether you made it or not hang it up. Is a Simple solution just make your own award shows and make it so that so that all different type of Genre that contribute to hiphop it self is shown You have Old School rap, undeground rap/hiphop, Conscious rap, Commercial HipHop, Drill Rap, UK rap, New Jersey Club Beat rap, Gangsta rap. Bilingual Rap and so on.
True FACTS!!! THANK GOD!!! BLACK MUSIC IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERY BLACK PERSON...LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN!!! ❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Love the idea - so you know we have to start within- BET get on board for having the higher platform #evolve
Necessary conversation to have. Comparison can certainly be a thief of joy and creativity. It is a shame these unfair comparisons are holding artists back from receiving their accolades.
Facts ✊🏾
9th Wonder just tweeted this the other day after listening to the Common and Pete Rock album
Homeboy Sandman was talking about this a decade ago. Grown man Rap/ Grown Up rap. Also Jay-Z was talking about it too.
The funny thing is...If rap has an adult only genre EVERYBODY would gravitate toward it. Even the young🤦🏾♂️
But not necessarily. I think there are things that go up in the club that are centrally young. Those songs will always be popular. Just like how there is pop rock songs that are popular and get played in clubs or bars but adult contemporary songs can exists and it doesn't necessarily siphon off the audience.
Yes, this is a breakthrough moment, the solution path. Yes to the Adult Hip Hop genre.
Thank you for sharing @Curtiss King 🫡.