Watch police interrogations. They do this a lot to get the perp to feel comfortable enough to confess. If you’re feeling judged, you clam up. You feel like you’re among like-minded people, you open up.
@@hothotheat3000 That's the key to getting people to spill the truth, you want to start with telling them what they want to hear. Humans will deny any fact if it isn't what they want.
Would be admissible though? I could see a judge tossing that. They already considered her a suspect when munch talks to her. No miranda rights administered. A good defence lawyer would get that excluded before trial.
If the girl wasn't actually awake and hadn't said anything, that's entrapment and confession under emotional duress and without rights read. That's getting immediately tossed out.
Munch is so calm in the face of evil. The episode of the stalker who blew up the reporter Munch was trying to protect was chilling. He calmly sat there and let the killer spill every detail of the crime.
I remember that tragic episode. That incel pissed me TF off, and you could see Munch’s rage being contained as the guy explains his reason for killing her.
The difficulty with many child abuse cases; to the child the behaviour is normal. to them this is their life, they don't know any different. it is their normal. If this lady didn't have any help in the aftermath, then she doesnt nesseccarily see why the behaviour was wrong because it was her normal. You can only learn from a mistake if you know a mistake was made and understand why it was wrong.
@@BlastFromThePastTheGoodOldDays As someone who suffered mental and emotional abuse, this rings true. It didn't have to be physical, but the remnants are the same, something is a 'normal.'. I may not have children, but I have two dogs, still in their puppy stages, 9 months apart. I love them both like they are my own and although they know I am stern in how they treat each other, they know I love them. It may not be physical abuse, but I won't let them be emotionally damaged, nor mentally disadvantaged like I was. I can say my parents were both those things to me, but not my younger siblings, but I carry that weight because I was the oldest. My parents didn't know how to be parents.
I have no sympathy for people who experienced sexual assault and chose to do it to other children. you dont have an excuse, at the end of the day you made a conscious decision to abuse a child. you're a monster
“…you did the only thing you could do.” … “I threw her against the wall.” I don’t think that was her only choice- but she sure thinks it was. Munch is incredible.
I loved Munch during this episode. His story that he told Olivia afterwards was so sad. Then he went and read a story to the little girl at the hospital. 🥺
@@droganovic6879 He told a story about a little girl who lived in the same neighborhood he did, and he took her for granted even though he could see the pain on her face. When she died from abuse Munch felt very guilty he didn't do anything.
@@droganovic6879 When Munch was growing up, his neighbor was a younger girl who was being abused by her mother. Munch could tell that something wasn’t right, he felt like she was looking at him as a cry for help but he didn’t do anything. Then, one day he noticed she was gone and he found out that her mother threw her out the window and killed her. That’s why this case affected Munch so much. He had been carrying so much guilt ever since he was a teenager because he blamed himself for his neighbor’s death and felt he could’ve prevented her death. That’s also why this scene from the episode was so powerful because Munch knew exactly what to say to get this monster of a woman to confess what she did to her daughter. I believe the scene between Munch and Olivia that I referenced was immediately after this one. After Munch got this woman to confess, he went up to the roof and was crying/angry/upset so Olivia went up there and he opened up to her about it. *This is season 2, episode 4 by the way. Highly recommend watching the full episode! The mother actually tried to frame her stepson for it.*
@@Irisheddy Yes it was so sad to hear him tell Olivia how he blamed himself for it because he could tell that the girl was sad and felt like she was reaching out to him for help when he would see her through the window, but of course he had no idea what was really going on and it’s really awful knowing that stuff like this happens in the real world every single day. I just can’t understand how ANYONE could do that to a child, but especially their own parent.
She had a choice. She could have broken generational curses but she chose to perpetuate the hurt, pain, and anger that she felt being abused. It is strange to me that some abused people learn great empathy from their ordeal while others choose to repeat the cycle of abuse, neglect, and violence.
Yes she had a choice but some people that become mentally unhealthy aren't socially aware of what they're doing. Yes they might know they are doing something wrong but to them they think it's "normal". For example her mother said her mom used a hair brush to discipline her. The mother thought that type of discipline is normal so she did the same
@@SelenaY.1331 it mostly depends on whether or not they saw other families. Once exposed to what families are supposed to be like, that realization hit.
@@savannahhague4989 it you said mostly... If someone is severely mentally I'll they won't see themselves thats in the wrong. I made my statement because that had happened to a lot of kids that get put into foster care but your statement could sometimes happen too if a parent is able to help themselves before they become severely mentally ill
People like the man who go the confession out of her are genius. His poise and calmness lured her to confess. She felt safe. He put his hand on her shoulder to attest that “its ok, I’m listening” ULTIMATE tactic. She wants sympathy and attention. So he gives her that in the moment so she cant sing like a canary 😂.
If you listen carefully, while her body language seems to show she's sorry, her words do not. "I had no choice", "She was being mean", "It's what my mother did to me", even during her confession she is carefully laying out that she was the victim.
And she was. She was a victim of the same abuse as a child. I'm not saying she shouldn't be charged or go to jail. She did those things to her daughter. She deserved to go to jail. What I'm saying is her own parents deserve some of the blame, since their actions shaped her into what she is now. They made her the way she is. They deserve some punishment as well.
@ytafan4068 Which they already where were. Fact of the matter is once u have kids you are responsible for their well-being. It is absolutely on her for abusing her kid. I’m sure others Who were abused as kids don’t go onto do the same!
props to Christopher Meloni, B.D. Wong and Kathryn Erbe, majors in the L&O Universe and characters of Oz as well. I don't remember if I'm forgetting anyone else
Not all the time. Sometimes those tears are fake. Let them cry. They will figure out that you are not bound by their manipulations. They will respect you more, because they NEED you to NOT GIVE IN to them all the time.
This does not that you don't love your children. You live them enough to teach them some self-control, and boundaries; and that the world does not revolve around them. Genuine love has nothing to do with "feel goods" all the time.
the kid was crying because she had bleeding in the brain it causes an incredible headache and the kid panics because they can't see it's like being drunk everything spins and goes into tunnel vision
For stories like hers, one part of me is absolutely furious. Another part feels a little bit sorry for her, and can't help but think if her mom had been there for her and she got the help she needed, the vicious cycle wouldn't continue. In the end though, she made her own decisions.
It sounds like her mother was there for her the same way she was there for her daughter; "my mother used a hairbrush on me" she was abused by both her parents and mentally screwed up for life because of it.
my step -father grew up like this, his father was very abusive physical to him , his mom and siblings. Thankfully he is not like him. my step father has never laid a hand on me or any of his children.
my father also went through it with his three siblings, and of three of them: 1 is dead, 1 is in a mental hospital and 1 has slight mental issues. my dad has done well not repeating the cycle
I don’t understand that. If i were abused as a child I’d do everything in my capable to protect my child from abuse. What in the world would make you abuse your own child. In this situation did the mother like hairbrush?
But the sad truth his her mom might have also been a victim of her own parents too. Without therapy or serious sole searching those patterns repeat over and over again
"She's not disappointed Munch, she's *numb* " This right here is Olivia's approach to every single case. She's ALWAYS, willing to believe the person crying 'victim' and found it hard for the *EVIDENCE* to take the lead. Alot of the time she got lucky, but sometimes the consequences were HUGE.
I mean, you should always believe "the victim" at first if they're saying they've been victimized. You don't start off assuming they're lying. Innocent until proven guilty
@swimfast724 Yes. But Olivia doesn't let the evidence speak for itself. She let's her *personal bias and narrative* speak. Which makes her too close to every case, sometimes damaging it and emotionally damaging herself at the same time. Inefficient method of working as a police officer. Watching Olivia do that to herself hurts, not to mention it is so unhealthy.
@@samhart4205yes actually I’ve noticed that she is mostly inclined to blindly have faith in the victim which can get really annoying, and that’s what rattles her, because that makes her emotionally invested in the case, and her view of the situation.
It's horrible. I've always been so loved by my own mother that sometimes I forget how selfish and awful some mothers can be. When I was little I used to think that all mothers were loving and good like mine. It breaks my heart that some people don't have a mother who truly loves them.
The funny thing is that some abusive parents actually love their child deeply. They just see their abuse as necessary to the child's development. We live in a twisted world.
@@nutellacelery8830 Well my parents know the difference between strict discipline and abuse, and so did their parents. My parents don’t believe in corporal punishment and my grandparents had stricter methods but it was far from abusive.
@@yucol5661 I think there's weight in both. The white van is a really thing. So many kids get snatched. But there is this lack of concern on what happen behind closed doors. And between cultures and races and class of what parenting vs abuse looks like. The type of parenting I received growing up a lot of people would deem abusive.
Right. This was such a sad episode, especially when Munch was telling Olivia about the neighbor who was abused by her mom who sadly died and the guilt Munch felt for not doing something
The fact that she didn't get treatment after the first blow to the head didn't help her case. Agitation after a head injury is quite common and is a sign of a possible concussion.
The part of this episode that was really disturbing was when Munch was telling Olivia the story from his childhood about the girl who was thrown through a window and killed by her mother and she said she needed to get another window now she was evil.
First, because she's one of those people who isn't capable of caring about anyone but themselves, and second, she never got the help she needed to get over her own abuse.
I liked what he said in the SVU episode Manipulated: “You’re under arrest for the murders of Vikki Riggs and Josie Post, and for assaulting one of New York’s finest finest.”
My mom was just like her, she always fished for sympathy. She accused my dad of all sorts of things all whilst she cheated on him behind his back. When she tried to kill my little sister she called me a liar when I drew pictures of the exact knife when I was with a therapist. She hit me a lot, locked me in her car multiple times whilst her tablets were in the backseat with me and she shut me in my bedroom and wouldn't let me use the toilet or eat. I'm grateful that my dad saved me and my sister from her, I know for sure I'd be dead by now if I stayed with her. My dad gave me and my sister an amazing life and a future.
I'm truly very sorry that you and your sister had to go through that. Thank God your dad rescued the two of you. What happened to your mother? Is she in jail?
@@rosaliamoon4525 All cases LAO are based on real cases they just change the name and some of the circumstance, so sadly someone did have this happen to them :(
@@Bird-Birdy-Love “Law & Order: SVU pulls inspiration from real-life events and national news stories but changes the details substantially to create original scripts that deviate from real life. ... Typically by the end of an episode, only a few details remain similar to the story that provided the case's inspiration.” This is from an article about the show.
its moments like 0:10 of this show that I LOVE!!! I see Det. Finn taking care of the kiddo in the background, watch him police at his best........................................and just remember back to that nice summer day at Lake Fairfax Park back in 1992 when I watched Ice-T and Body Count play their song "Cop Killer" live on stage during Lollapalooza lol
but they reflected on this like it was the best episode and they kept on going back to the drawing board with this episode that he has a connection to every single victim
So beloved was Detective Munch he crossed the television multiverse to got from Homicide: Life on the Street, to a guest on the X-files/Lone gunman spin-off to Law & Order. Not many actors get to take their role with them. Richard Belzer was amazing.
I love how people confess so easily on these shows . It's ridiculous. "Yes, officer, be nice to me and I'll tell you everything", I want to go to jail, I've heard it's fun ! "
I can actually see this confession happening. She's basically addicted to the attention, she needs it to feel good about herself. She's also rationalizing the abuse and with her own traumatic past she's more mentally fragile. You would just need to push the right buttons with her kind of mental state. The charade was only able to last for so long because no on was actually looking at her in the first place.
When they showed munch telling olivia that story from when he was young,it looked like he was really crying at the end of it,for how guilty he still felt.it made me cry too.I felt so bad for him.that's why he does the job here.
This nutjob couldn't distinguish between discipline and punishment. They are not the same thing. One is proactive (preventing misbehavior). The other is reactive (dealing with the misbehavior).
My dad was beaten black and blue by his dad. He grew up and did the same to us kids. I’ve never spanked one of my kids let alone beaten them. I choose to do better.
whenever something happens to a parent or adult, it happen when they was young, and they doom to repaet it, i seen it once on another episode where a mom left her young daughter alone, while she got in jail for shoplifting, the mom don't want to leave her daughter with the bf, but it was shown why she was molest by her stepfather and was trouble girl who kept flirting with older men
I love this episode for 2 reasons number one munch is great here and next my fave soap opera actor was featured in this legacy episode Paul Michael Valley from another world as Randal Mckenna a character so different from his role as ryan on aw!!!
“If she had been showing abuse symptoms for months, how come we haven’t found any hospital records?” I know that it’s just a TV show and this episode aired in the 2000s, but as an abuse survivor myself, this is an inaccurate and harmful generalization of abuse victims, whether they’re child victims or adult victims. Not all of us end up being hospitalized. I was abused as a child and I was never hospitalized for injuries, I’ve only ever been hospitalized for mental breakdowns, ODs and suicide attempts. Most of us have intelligent abusers who know how to hit us just where the bruises are easily hidden, and even if we do need treatment, we often never get hospitalized because neighbors don’t notice, or we don’t admit ourselves to a hospital out of fear. I very likely have years worth of unhealed fractures because no one helped me and I was terrified that I’d face worse punishment or even get killed if I said anything. This type of generalization in real life could further cause disbelief and scrutiny towards victims who never sought out treatment for injuries.
It's really amazing that Mariska Hargitay has been on this show since the beginning and having short hair in the beginning and now she's.. Captain Benson.. in the recent shows.. very cool!!❤❤🎉🎉😊😊
The manipulation was incredible. They got a confession with no duress. Ooh she’s so screwed.
Watch police interrogations. They do this a lot to get the perp to feel comfortable enough to confess. If you’re feeling judged, you clam up. You feel like you’re among like-minded people, you open up.
Which is why you keep your mouth shut and answer with "no comment" or wait for your attorney
@@hothotheat3000 That's the key to getting people to spill the truth, you want to start with telling them what they want to hear. Humans will deny any fact if it isn't what they want.
Would be admissible though? I could see a judge tossing that. They already considered her a suspect when munch talks to her. No miranda rights administered. A good defence lawyer would get that excluded before trial.
If the girl wasn't actually awake and hadn't said anything, that's entrapment and confession under emotional duress and without rights read. That's getting immediately tossed out.
Munch is so calm in the face of evil. The episode of the stalker who blew up the reporter Munch was trying to protect was chilling. He calmly sat there and let the killer spill every detail of the crime.
like an actor
God, that episode hurt a lot. I wanted Munch to punch off that bastard's smug face.
What episode was it?
I remember that tragic episode.
That incel pissed me TF off, and you could see Munch’s rage being contained as the guy explains his reason for killing her.
@@bonniedavidson5940 Season 1 episode 20: Remorse
*Those who don’t learn from their own parents’ horrible mistakes are doomed to repeat them themselves.*
That but its more than that not having or not getting the proper help is the biggest thing.
I mean not nesiccerily
I can't remember who said this but "Those who learn from their own mistakes are smart but those who learns from others' mistake are wise."
The difficulty with many child abuse cases; to the child the behaviour is normal. to them this is their life, they don't know any different. it is their normal. If this lady didn't have any help in the aftermath, then she doesnt nesseccarily see why the behaviour was wrong because it was her normal.
You can only learn from a mistake if you know a mistake was made and understand why it was wrong.
@@BlastFromThePastTheGoodOldDays As someone who suffered mental and emotional abuse, this rings true. It didn't have to be physical, but the remnants are the same, something is a 'normal.'. I may not have children, but I have two dogs, still in their puppy stages, 9 months apart. I love them both like they are my own and although they know I am stern in how they treat each other, they know I love them. It may not be physical abuse, but I won't let them be emotionally damaged, nor mentally disadvantaged like I was. I can say my parents were both those things to me, but not my younger siblings, but I carry that weight because I was the oldest. My parents didn't know how to be parents.
Alternate title for this Video: "Munch Vs. Munchausen"
well done
YES!!! XD
Underrated comment
Munch vs. Munchausen in Munch's House, Son!
More like Narcissism
I have no sympathy for people who experienced sexual assault and chose to do it to other children. you dont have an excuse, at the end of the day you made a conscious decision to abuse a child. you're a monster
1000%
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Especially since you know just how horrific it was when it happened to you.
Indeed. 👍👏
They aren't looking for empathy. The problem is that because they have been assaulted as a child they think the behavior is normal.
“…you did the only thing you could do.” … “I threw her against the wall.”
I don’t think that was her only choice- but she sure thinks it was. Munch is incredible.
no wonder he got objections by the people and the defense at the same time
script writers are great
I loved Munch during this episode. His story that he told Olivia afterwards was so sad. Then he went and read a story to the little girl at the hospital. 🥺
What story? Was he abused as a kid as well or what?
@@droganovic6879 He told a story about a little girl who lived in the same neighborhood he did, and he took her for granted even though he could see the pain on her face. When she died from abuse Munch felt very guilty he didn't do anything.
@@droganovic6879 When Munch was growing up, his neighbor was a younger girl who was being abused by her mother. Munch could tell that something wasn’t right, he felt like she was looking at him as a cry for help but he didn’t do anything.
Then, one day he noticed she was gone and he found out that her mother threw her out the window and killed her.
That’s why this case affected Munch so much. He had been carrying so much guilt ever since he was a teenager because he blamed himself for his neighbor’s death and felt he could’ve prevented her death.
That’s also why this scene from the episode was so powerful because Munch knew exactly what to say to get this monster of a woman to confess what she did to her daughter.
I believe the scene between Munch and Olivia that I referenced was immediately after this one. After Munch got this woman to confess, he went up to the roof and was crying/angry/upset so Olivia went up there and he opened up to her about it.
*This is season 2, episode 4 by the way. Highly recommend watching the full episode! The mother actually tried to frame her stepson for it.*
@@Irisheddy Yes it was so sad to hear him tell Olivia how he blamed himself for it because he could tell that the girl was sad and felt like she was reaching out to him for help when he would see her through the window, but of course he had no idea what was really going on and it’s really awful knowing that stuff like this happens in the real world every single day. I just can’t understand how ANYONE could do that to a child, but especially their own parent.
They should have added that part there😔〽️
She had a choice. She could have broken generational curses but she chose to perpetuate the hurt, pain, and anger that she felt being abused. It is strange to me that some abused people learn great empathy from their ordeal while others choose to repeat the cycle of abuse, neglect, and violence.
Facts
Wonder if it’s IQ related.
Yes she had a choice but some people that become mentally unhealthy aren't socially aware of what they're doing. Yes they might know they are doing something wrong but to them they think it's "normal". For example her mother said her mom used a hair brush to discipline her. The mother thought that type of discipline is normal so she did the same
@@SelenaY.1331 it mostly depends on whether or not they saw other families. Once exposed to what families are supposed to be like, that realization hit.
@@savannahhague4989 it you said mostly...
If someone is severely mentally I'll they won't see themselves thats in the wrong.
I made my statement because that had happened to a lot of kids that get put into foster care but your statement could sometimes happen too if a parent is able to help themselves before they become severely mentally ill
People like the man who go the confession out of her are genius. His poise and calmness lured her to confess. She felt safe. He put his hand on her shoulder to attest that “its ok, I’m listening” ULTIMATE tactic. She wants sympathy and attention. So he gives her that in the moment so she cant sing like a canary 😂.
when he put his hand on her shoulder i was like woah Hold ya horsers and calm down there its getting a bit close for comfort
Belzer acting smooth and sympathetic got her to spill. It worked so easy.
He definitely deserved an Emmy or Golden Globe for his work in this show!
Yes He passed away Rest in peace
If you listen carefully, while her body language seems to show she's sorry, her words do not. "I had no choice", "She was being mean", "It's what my mother did to me", even during her confession she is carefully laying out that she was the victim.
And she was. She was a victim of the same abuse as a child. I'm not saying she shouldn't be charged or go to jail. She did those things to her daughter. She deserved to go to jail. What I'm saying is her own parents deserve some of the blame, since their actions shaped her into what she is now. They made her the way she is. They deserve some punishment as well.
@ytafan4068
Which they already where were. Fact of the matter is once u have kids you are responsible for their well-being. It is absolutely on her for abusing her kid. I’m sure others Who were abused as kids don’t go onto do the same!
I like how JK Simmons can easily transition from sadistic Nazi inmate to sweater wearing sensitive psychiatrist.
...and then the Owner of the Daily Bugle!
@@juliobrian4757 And Santa Claus.
@@foolslayer9416 and Omni man
props to Christopher Meloni, B.D. Wong and Kathryn Erbe, majors in the L&O Universe and characters of Oz as well.
I don't remember if I'm forgetting anyone else
@@darkassassin6457 And the youngest son of Avatar Aang.
With Richard Belzer’s recent passing this year, seeing his earlier performances in the earliest SVU seasons like this one are absolute gems.
Check him out in "Homicide: Life On The Street"; he's arguably even better.
@@joehoy9242 I will next week. IT'S FINALLY COMING TO PEACOCK!!!!!
The cycle of abuse is a terrible thing. Just a long terrible chain of victims and scarring.
6:00 Munch moves the chair, to be next to her, not across the table in an adversarial role. Pretty sneaky, Munch.
Man is very into psychology; he reads people, and he _gets_ people.
Moral of the story? Don't spill your heart's content to a cop, coz what you say can incriminate yourself. Lol I love Munch
Humans like being told what they want to hear. Interrogators use that to their advantage.
Moral of the story is not to abuse your own child for personal gain and don't ruin multiple lives in the process
you know what you do when a child is crying? you hug them/ you comfort them. that's how you get them to stop crying.
Not all the time. Sometimes those tears are fake. Let them cry. They will figure out that you are not bound by their manipulations. They will respect you more, because they NEED you to NOT GIVE IN to them all the time.
This does not that you don't love your children. You live them enough to teach them some self-control, and boundaries; and that the world does not revolve around them. Genuine love has nothing to do with "feel goods" all the time.
the kid was crying because she had bleeding in the brain it causes an incredible headache and the kid panics because they can't see it's like being drunk everything spins and goes into tunnel vision
@@JSmedic1 There is something inherently wrong with your point of view.
@@JSmedic1 are you okay??
9:43 the way her tone changes and the music kicks in when she confesses, sends CHILLS down your spine
For stories like hers, one part of me is absolutely furious.
Another part feels a little bit sorry for her, and can't help but think if her mom had been there for her and she got the help she needed, the vicious cycle wouldn't continue.
In the end though, she made her own decisions.
It sounds like her mother was there for her the same way she was there for her daughter; "my mother used a hairbrush on me" she was abused by both her parents and mentally screwed up for life because of it.
my step -father grew up like this, his father was very abusive physical to him , his mom and siblings. Thankfully he is not like him. my step father has never laid a hand on me or any of his children.
my father also went through it with his three siblings, and of three of them: 1 is dead, 1 is in a mental hospital and 1 has slight mental issues. my dad has done well not repeating the cycle
I don’t understand that. If i were abused as a child I’d do everything in my capable to protect my child from abuse. What in the world would make you abuse your own child. In this situation did the mother like hairbrush?
But the sad truth his her mom might have also been a victim of her own parents too. Without therapy or serious sole searching those patterns repeat over and over again
"She's not disappointed Munch, she's *numb* "
This right here is Olivia's approach to every single case. She's ALWAYS, willing to believe the person crying 'victim' and found it hard for the *EVIDENCE* to take the lead. Alot of the time she got lucky, but sometimes the consequences were HUGE.
That's exactly why it's so important to have multiple perspectives. None of them would get it right every time. They cover each other's blind spots.
@@angiki9988True, but there's been a couple of times Olivia lost perspective on certain people.
I mean, you should always believe "the victim" at first if they're saying they've been victimized. You don't start off assuming they're lying. Innocent until proven guilty
@swimfast724 Yes. But Olivia doesn't let the evidence speak for itself. She let's her *personal bias and narrative* speak. Which makes her too close to every case, sometimes damaging it and emotionally damaging herself at the same time. Inefficient method of working as a police officer. Watching Olivia do that to herself hurts, not to mention it is so unhealthy.
@@samhart4205yes actually I’ve noticed that she is mostly inclined to blindly have faith in the victim which can get really annoying, and that’s what rattles her, because that makes her emotionally invested in the case, and her view of the situation.
It's horrible. I've always been so loved by my own mother that sometimes I forget how selfish and awful some mothers can be. When I was little I used to think that all mothers were loving and good like mine. It breaks my heart that some people don't have a mother who truly loves them.
The funny thing is that some abusive parents actually love their child deeply. They just see their abuse as necessary to the child's development. We live in a twisted world.
@@nutellacelery8830 Well my parents know the difference between strict discipline and abuse, and so did their parents.
My parents don’t believe in corporal punishment and my grandparents had stricter methods but it was far from abusive.
I have often wondered what it feels like to have a mother like that.
@ Just be grateful to God that you’ll never know. I know I am.
@@Rose-xy5pe You misunderstood. I wonder what it's like to have a mother like yours.
Man, Richard Belzer is such an under-rated actor. He's so subtle and his pacing is perfect.
He past away I saw the news today, I think the demise was recently.
R. I. P. 💔💔💔💔😥😥😥😥
So true we love you Richard
How come we never got more Munch interrogating, he was always gentle.
It's crazy people like her actually exist.
I always feel hurt for children who have "parents" like that, no child deserves it
Yep
It's the sad and tragic reality we live in
It’s sad how hard people struggle to imagine it. You’d think people would be more worried about psychologically abusive parents than hyped white vans
@@yucol5661 I think there's weight in both. The white van is a really thing. So many kids get snatched. But there is this lack of concern on what happen behind closed doors. And between cultures and races and class of what parenting vs abuse looks like. The type of parenting I received growing up a lot of people would deem abusive.
Disturbing. The mother plays the victim part well. Until she gets outfoxed by a good detective.
That’s Scary! Never Treat a Child Like That!
Right. This was such a sad episode, especially when Munch was telling Olivia about the neighbor who was abused by her mom who sadly died and the guilt Munch felt for not doing something
@@shaheedsimon24 It’s Very Hard to Dealt with Child Abuse’s! It wasn’t Fair at All.
@@johnsanjuan9364 at all!
i agree, to me parents that do that to their kids are some of the worst people in the world.
You should never treat ANYONE like that -- esp. children, b/c they can't protect themselves.
The fact that she didn't get treatment after the first blow to the head didn't help her case. Agitation after a head injury is quite common and is a sign of a possible concussion.
The part of this episode that was really disturbing was when Munch was telling Olivia the story from his childhood about the girl who was thrown through a window and killed by her mother and she said she needed to get another window now she was evil.
Just rewatched this, one of the best Munch-centered episodes. R.I.P. Richard Belzer.
The ending Munch reading to her sweet yet sad for the little girl. She may never wake up and if she does God knows how her life would be😪
His monologue after this is my favorite Munch moment ever
It’s one of the defining moments of his character, it was well paired with him reading Dr. Seuss to the girl in the hospital.
@@richardrobart-morgan3407 I also liked anything involving people from past relationships,it showed he was as vulnerable as anybody else
This is an early Munchhausen by Proxy case. Impressed. Absolutely love this show.
There was also the episode with Billy the Toyman, but it turned out she used her little girl to bilk money.
Rest in peace, Richard Belzer (Munch). We will miss you and remember you!
My heart hurts after hearing her confession . How could she do that to her own child.
First, because she's one of those people who isn't capable of caring about anyone but themselves, and second, she never got the help she needed to get over her own abuse.
MUNCH IS THE BEST CHARACTER OKAY 😭😭
I liked what he said in the SVU episode Manipulated: “You’re under arrest for the murders of Vikki Riggs and Josie Post, and for assaulting one of New York’s finest finest.”
My mom was just like her, she always fished for sympathy. She accused my dad of all sorts of things all whilst she cheated on him behind his back. When she tried to kill my little sister she called me a liar when I drew pictures of the exact knife when I was with a therapist. She hit me a lot, locked me in her car multiple times whilst her tablets were in the backseat with me and she shut me in my bedroom and wouldn't let me use the toilet or eat. I'm grateful that my dad saved me and my sister from her, I know for sure I'd be dead by now if I stayed with her. My dad gave me and my sister an amazing life and a future.
Whoa
Hugs. I hope that you and your sister have found a way to heal from such a traumatic childhood.
Your mom is pretty messed up I'm sorry you went through that but at least your life is better now
I would like to give you a big hug! You're amazing!
I'm truly very sorry that you and your sister had to go through that. Thank God your dad rescued the two of you. What happened to your mother? Is she in jail?
Please tell me this monster was sentenced to a LONG prison sentence. She MURDERED her daughter.....because her daughter was CRYING.
Don’t worry. It’s fiction.
@@rosaliamoon4525 All cases LAO are based on real cases they just change the name and some of the circumstance, so sadly someone did have this happen to them :(
@@Bird-Birdy-Love not all the stories are real but I can see this one being real for sure.
@@Bird-Birdy-Love “Law & Order: SVU pulls inspiration from real-life events and national news stories but changes the details substantially to create original scripts that deviate from real life. ... Typically by the end of an episode, only a few details remain similar to the story that provided the case's inspiration.”
This is from an article about the show.
Its definitely a thing that happens with newborns and postpartum psychosis
In Loving Memory of: Richard Belzer (1944-2023)
its moments like 0:10 of this show that I LOVE!!! I see Det. Finn taking care of the kiddo in the background, watch him police at his best........................................and just remember back to that nice summer day at Lake Fairfax Park back in 1992 when I watched Ice-T and Body Count play their song "Cop Killer" live on stage during Lollapalooza lol
Considering we don't often see Fin interacting with children, that's something...
Pain that is not transformed, will always be transmitted.
RIP Richard Belzer. You did a good job.
“he poisoned her against me” oh my god she reminds me so much of my mother
Love the tender side of Munch! Same with Fin! 🤩🤩
Munch is always good with the kids.
uncle Munch to the rescue
This one I did a double take on. I thought it was the step son the whole time. By the end my jaw dropped. Munch is an incredible detective.
Munch is my favorite then benson and stabler, then ice t
I know him as water T
Benson, Stabler, Munch, Fin, then Cragen
Stabler, Benson, Munch then Finn
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Manz manipulated her so smoothly I didn’t even notice till I read the comments
It’s not related but I can’t get over Ice T’s little ponytail
It’s time for that thang to go 🤣
Richard Belzer did excellent in this episode
Yeah.
He's terrific
but they reflected on this like it was the best episode and they kept on going back to the drawing board with this episode that he has a connection to every single victim
I heard the character of Stabler is coming back in his own series, it’ll be cool if Munch came back as the Lieu.
I think he's going to be focusing on taking down some crime syndicates to but it's going to have many crossovers with SVU that's what they mentioned
Rest In Power Richard Belzer!!
very tragic that a little girl is killed by her own mother.
She wasn’t killed, just incapacitated; there’s a chance that she’ll recover, but she’s got a long road to recovery.
@@Aggression-hc3yp oh that's actually good to hear. I never seen this episode and I only seen this clip.
Munch knew. This was one of the best integrations I’ve ever seen this show do.
RIP Mr Belzer.
That was some creepy acting. She lit up when he showed her the file on her abuse, just as if he’d brought her a box of chocolates
So beloved was Detective Munch he crossed the television multiverse to got from Homicide: Life on the Street, to a guest on the X-files/Lone gunman spin-off to Law & Order. Not many actors get to take their role with them. Richard Belzer was amazing.
I love how people confess so easily on these shows . It's ridiculous. "Yes, officer, be nice to me and I'll tell you everything", I want to go to jail, I've heard it's fun ! "
I can actually see this confession happening. She's basically addicted to the attention, she needs it to feel good about herself. She's also rationalizing the abuse and with her own traumatic past she's more mentally fragile. You would just need to push the right buttons with her kind of mental state. The charade was only able to last for so long because no on was actually looking at her in the first place.
😂😂😂
You'd be surprised how often that works.
Go watch Chris Watts interrogation…they did the exact same thing.
The key is rapport building. You have to build a rapport with the victim. He knew what she wanted, sympathy. So he used it against her.
May Richard Belzer Rest In Peace condolences to family and friends RIP
«Feed the junkie» 😆
One of the best episodes in the entire series! ❤️💯
I legit forgot that Oz and the Law and Order franchise shared a lot of actors
This is very sad. Great acting as expected.
When they showed munch telling olivia that story from when he was young,it looked like he was really crying at the end of it,for how guilty he still felt.it made me cry too.I felt so bad for him.that's why he does the job here.
This nutjob couldn't distinguish between discipline and punishment. They are not the same thing. One is proactive (preventing misbehavior). The other is reactive (dealing with the misbehavior).
The ending of this episode has always made me weep. Richard Beltzer was excellent as Munch, but especially in this story.
"i threw her against the wall" that escalated
This was a really difficult episode to watch. Unfortunately things like this happen everyday.
"I didnt push her hard"
Shes FOUR
Munch character was very underrated - RB played that character so well
Rest in peace Richard Belzer Aka Det. Jhon Munch. 🙏
My dad was beaten black and blue by his dad. He grew up and did the same to us kids.
I’ve never spanked one of my kids let alone beaten them. I choose to do better.
Rest in peace richard belzer munch we will miss you you and remember you!!
Anybody else besides me excited to see Benson and Stabler working together again?
I cant wait
I was because I thought he was going back to SVU. I can't get into his new show.
@@sarcasticallyrearranged I thought I was the only one, I really tried getting into Stablers show but it just isn’t the same
So long as Stabler’s back, I could care less about which faction of the NYPD he’s in. Organized Crime isn’t a bad show.
This is hands down. My favourite episode that highlights munch. It was just touching.
How is no one talking about JK Simmons being in this episode? 😂😂
whenever something happens to a parent or adult, it happen when they was young, and they doom to repaet it, i seen it once on another episode where a mom left her young daughter alone, while she got in jail for shoplifting, the mom don't want to leave her daughter with the bf, but it was shown why she was molest by her stepfather and was trouble girl who kept flirting with older men
What episode is it?
@@norafizahhar9480 it call downloaded child, season 15 episode 19 i beileve
Phenomenal acting. The nuances of her expressions were so perfect!
I like how Munch kept his hand on her shoulder to reinforce that need for attention she wanted. Interesting subtlety
This episode was crazy af!!!
Munch being nice is so funny
I love this episode for 2 reasons number one munch is great here and next my fave soap opera actor was featured in this legacy episode Paul Michael Valley from another world as Randal Mckenna a character so different from his role as ryan on aw!!!
Munch is amazing
Miss you, Munch 🪦
Feels nostalgic watching this after Richard Belzer's passing. I didn't realize how old this series was before.
Nice to see vern schillinger clean up his act, good for him
RIP John Munch. You're epic
I always had a crush on Olivia and always thought Ice T was out of place in this show. My soul is free now.
I remember this episode, it gave me chills.
9:30 props to the actors when he said "what you had to do." You could see in eyes as if she was saing "he understands me and my pain."
Great to see Schillinger and Keller getting along again.
He just let her walk right through that door known as "i just spilt my secrets"
Love the way Olivia thinks❤
“If she had been showing abuse symptoms for months, how come we haven’t found any hospital records?”
I know that it’s just a TV show and this episode aired in the 2000s, but as an abuse survivor myself, this is an inaccurate and harmful generalization of abuse victims, whether they’re child victims or adult victims. Not all of us end up being hospitalized. I was abused as a child and I was never hospitalized for injuries, I’ve only ever been hospitalized for mental breakdowns, ODs and suicide attempts. Most of us have intelligent abusers who know how to hit us just where the bruises are easily hidden, and even if we do need treatment, we often never get hospitalized because neighbors don’t notice, or we don’t admit ourselves to a hospital out of fear. I very likely have years worth of unhealed fractures because no one helped me and I was terrified that I’d face worse punishment or even get killed if I said anything. This type of generalization in real life could further cause disbelief and scrutiny towards victims who never sought out treatment for injuries.
John and Fin: The Ultimate Buddy Cops.
RIP Richard Belzer 💔🙏🏾🕊️🪦🥀
The algorithm finally favored me by putting the on next, after p1 left me hanging. 😊
And I miss Munch!
It's really amazing that Mariska Hargitay has been on this show since the beginning and having short hair in the beginning and now she's.. Captain Benson.. in the recent shows.. very cool!!❤❤🎉🎉😊😊
Look who's the Mommie Dearest now!
This is a good episode 👍👍
I remember when he told this story the first time on Homicide life on the street. Just as sad
This woman’s mother messed her up and then she took it out on her own daughter
I love the fact so many oz actors are on here