Age Of Empires 2 but with Age of Kings Balance!
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It's not AOK balance without a 75 pop limit!
and 640 x 480 screen resolution!
But that was only for campaigns, wasn't it?
@@DosCaracteres exactly,, you coud play multiplayer up to 200 pop.
It was 200 pop in multiplayer games.
It was fun to have a mini deatball and like 20 villagers in the campaigns
"Margougou, stop being so young..." AAAAH I'M OOOLD
Hey, thanks for playing our mod! :D
Edit: to give some clarification as there are two Age of Kings mods (1.0 and 2.0A) - these are both based on the release version of AoE 2 as well as the patch that coincided with the release of Conquerors.
1.0 has stuff such as the Teuton Deathstar, stone cost removed from TCs and TCs being affected by Fletching, Bodkin and Bracer. 2.0A reflects the fixes Ensemble did to the game.
Hjörleif and I are also working on a Conquerors mod as well as a campaign compatible version of the AoK mod :)
Right on man, thank you guys for lighting this up!
I think you forgot to change loom: it used to give villagers +1 pierce armour, not +2.
Keep up the great work though!
@@Pacamol Hey! We fixed that in the most recent update. I think the tooltip still might need to change tho 🤔
today I found out that houses now cost 25 wood lmaooooooo
Same😂
@@Code002x lol i literally never knew they weren't 30
lmao i never knew
Just fyi, back then in AoK, considering the circumstances, optimal strategy was going Feudal at 24 pop with 2 ranges and produce skirmishers non-stop. No scouts, because scouts in feudal were as weak as a Dark Age scout, so nobody would ever produce scouts in Feudal Age on AoK (only AoC Feudal scouts had 3+2 attack). 22 pop was used for forward rushes (trush, flush and so on with 4 villagers building right in front of enemy land).
Nowadays most things are automated in the game, less lag, etc. so economy is more streamlined. Nowadays, under that old AoK balance, 23 pop Feudal or even 22 pop should be better, keeping 2 Archery Ranges producing skirms at a full time production.
It's fun to see how The Viper used a very different approach with Saracens than players back in 2002 for example, mainly based on his 2024 knowledge, and then he realized most things he wanted or needed were expensive or impossible lol
AoC introduced +2 attack on feudal scouts, which created a wide variety of strategic and tactical possibilities, without directly nerfing skirmishers. This was the most important, yet small, change ever made and contributed to more dynamic games as we see today. 2 ranges skirms was meta before in AoK, and by a big margin...
the packs of 40 byz skirms roaming around happily
Imagine AOK Arabia map generation with 75 pop limit. That would be a masterpiece.
you should play with the QOL features back then too (with all this auto farm controversy) meaning once your vils built a lumber camp they stood idle when it was finished - you had to manually then task them to get wood (can't remember if this was AOE1 only or if this was added in AOC). And you have to manually rebuild every single farm when it expired - no autoseed or queue
Yea, it was super annoying having to build a lumber camp and then remember to go back once it was finished.
It was one of the best changes from kings to conquerors when I was young.
@@MrJacqques sending 6 vills to build a mining camp next to some gold then 5 mins later you are low on gold go back and check and they built it and just stood there. Remember them days well....
They didn't improve QoL in Starcraft Remastered (I can see why as it would be massively controversial) but I wish they had included a "noobs mode" or something, as in that game you can't even queue up the robot vils to automine. You have to build the worker, come back when it is done, then manually assign it to mine. It's so damn annoying.
@@mikesully110 yeah the slacking derp workers lol
Agree with Brood War, thought the same- just got Remastered & Tooned version, so epic, but that control... AND THEN: as of this year basically the hottest new Starcraft anything is the Evolution Complete Mod where you can play Starcraft Brood War within Starcraft 2, true to the original balance. (And you can play vs SC2 races). It's sweet.
Still no SC3 with AI robots as the 4th race, and significant QoL features that frankly baffle me aren't in more RTS games, which at current have players labelled as a "General" but feeling like a cook as far as necessitity of micromanagement & unit orders.
Like the ability to tell a unit what it's priority should be, to give more complex commands (like avoid enemies on scout)- basic stuff still decades away, it feels like.
I wonder if it's still worth it to pitch the concept to Blizzard, going the same way as other greedy perspective-lacking, less-true-to-heart gaming studios and game makers like Games Workshop. Independent RTS games like Beyond All Reason and Table-Top Strat games like OnePageRules are becoming fan favorites & for good reason.
Hey, I'm one of the mod's creators. We want to add this but iirc that's more of an engine thing, so sadly nothing we can change with a datamod.
Pretty sure that was aoe1 only. I was mind blown when they started working right away in aok.
It's not AoK unless you have to task your villagers after building a camp.
Goes Saracens, doesn't make OG mamelukes
to be fair that would have been very suboptimal, OG Mamelukes:
had less hp
lacked Zealotry(Saracen camel) hp
infantry armor class
Slower
less attack
lacked bloodlines
lacked the mameluke armor class to reduce cav bonus damage
They did have 0 frame delay though
Only 13 civs! Simpler times. But I'm grateful for the additions and updates the game has received over the decades because where would I be without my Malians
I remember refusing to play AoC for the longest time because I didn't want to get overwhelmed by too many factions (and also not liking the setting too much). But yea nowadays the game would be kinda boring without all the newer civs and techs.
@@Th3hUnT3R1 I prefer 13 civs it easy easier to learn, I only have limited time and now is a mess, I quit online play as it is imposible to learn so many civs for normal peoole
@@Th3hUnT3R1nah, they could have made civs more unique instead of adding more
@@diego2817 I don't think that's neccessarily true. I can see why you say that but if they invested as much time in making civs unique as they did in creating new ones, the game would also be overwhelming I feel (And it would completely change how the game feels imo). For example I stopped playing Starcraft 2 after they added swarm hosts and a bunch of other stuff cause I was already barely keeping up with the existing units. Also it gave them a lot more freedom for singleplayer campaign, diving into historical battles that a lot of people are not aware of. I learned a lot about history and other civilizations from aoe 2, especially as a kid.
Back then I was only on Britons. Today, I still am 😂
Viper vs Daut Arabia BO5 with this data mod and 75 pop. Add 30 VPN connections for proper AOK latency feeling. *Cheff kiss*
Is this available on the mods page? If yes, what's the exact name? Sorry if its been answered in the video already. Havent finished watching yet.
Just look up age of kings on the mod search and it comes up to the top of the search list :)
@@harrylund2795 I see. Thanks a lot. I will check when I am back from work.
It's called "Age of Kings 1.0"
Search age of kings and filter by data mod. 1.0 is original and 2.0 is with nerfed teuton tc (+5 LOS instead of +5 range)
@@Churco_ Thank you. Much appreciated.
Pls make a tourney using this
It's inevitable. There are wants, but then there are needs...
Those scouts made me laugh out loud
It was cool realizing AOK didn't have Hussar though. I had a buried memory of being a little confused when I first came back to the scene and seeing Hussar
If it was Age of kings balance Teutonic town centers would have +5 attack range. They were called death stars for a reason.
We have two versions of this mod, based on both patches. Version 1.0 has the Teuton Deathstar
@@FloosWorld_AoE thank you for being true to form. Solid, pure, nostalgeic.
And town centers actually hit their targets to.
I remember taking down castles with just chu-ko-nus against the computer
good times
Teuton TC +5 LoS sounds fake, wasn't it +5 range until AoC nerfed it to +5 LoS?
i thought it was +5 range in like 1.0 AoK but by 2.0a it was +5 LoS, but the tech tree description still said +5 range
Teutons used to have +5 range, also Fletching affected TCs. So they could get 6+7 range. TCs cost no stone as well, just 275 wood 😄
It was nerfed to +5 LOS in AoK 2.0. both 1.0 and 2.0 are available as data mods.
@@julle4017 Yeah it was such a simple strat- chop wood (easy for them with cheap farms) and spam TC 'towers' as you roll along. AI just bled themselves against them, and in nomad people would drop them just out of the range of enemy TC's in online multiplayer, leading to the nerf.
@@Hjoerleif so in the 1.0 mod they are true to original Teuton TC range? (You have to lie to me so I don't lose friendships making victims to this, lol)
Yooo! I called this on Reddit (as a joke, but still it's a fun concept). Great video
I used to play AoK every now and then up until a few years ago. But the balance version I have, had loom with only 1 pierce armour, which made skirms twice as effective against vills. Also so many university techs used to cost stone
Viper you have to call the fishing ships "food boats" like you did back when you first started playing and learning English, I remember that :P
the trashtalk was an a diffrent lvll here 11
There should be a mini tournament in this settings
thats the version I played the most, ppl only went for skirms in feudal because scouts are trash and loom only gave +1 pierce armor, so skirms dealt 2 damages to villagers. And you played the 2.0a patched version, we're not even talking about the 2.0 version with the extra range on teuton TC making douche the best strat LOL. Nice content for old ppl like me tho
Next time can you please ask Margougou what his favourite charity based bulk video game buying platform is.
How young is margougou? I'm the same age as AoK but I still remember calling AoE2 AoC everywhere.
21. He only started playing online in 2020 when AoE 2 DE already was released and even a couple of years before DE, people were not talking about AoC that much anymore, because the HD edition existed and introduced new expansions, which were also added on Voobly. So pure AoC was only until 2012.
@@LJJ22 Ah ok. I remember people still calling it AoC up until DEs release as competitive never swapped to HD.
@@LJJ22 Crazy thing is that I'm only 1 year older than Margougou and still grew up playing AoC. So I have more knowledge of the game's history than he does.
Hello there, Viper is not answering, i wanna play this game again online after 10 years. My question is should i download only age of empires definitve 2 from steam? Microsoft is cheaper, if i download from them, i still could play with voobly players? why no help for new players :( i dont wanna buy wrong games. All very expensive.
But aoe2 DE, no need for additional DLCs.
aoe 2 de is best on steam, you dont need all the dlcs but than you cant play with the new civs but you can still play online and most of the players are there.
@@MrTerapak Thank you
@@Nomatterwhat69 Thank you
I had a vague memory of scouts in this game being slow but after playing again assumed I was just wrong
turns out I wasn't wrong XD
AoC was the best game version imo, right ammount of civs and so on. looking forward to this patch if it comes
Hey editor, link to margs twitch in the desc no ?
MEMELUKES! THEY ARE THE BEST!
this is my dream video. lets see those scorpions with bracer
Why you don't push in this situations the deer to the mill when it's nearlyer?
I thought husbandry was 250 until recently????
Recently but not that recent.
Imagine if this was with the launch balance. Teuton Death Star would be OP
no Teuton TC rush? I'm disappointed.
I never played AoK balance and it was so much fun in AoC balance.
9:14 Viper lost 10 gold there...
Nice history lesson.
Are you good in AOE
What is the name of the mod so I can play it?
The one they're playing in the video is "Age of Kings (Patch 2.0A)" but there's also "Age of Kings 1.0"
Where can you download this?
Inside the game's modbrowser. Just search for "Age of Kings" and select datamod as the category
You cna probably fget from the Software library as it's decades old (just search online, forget the site name) or you cna buy AoE2 DE and add the AoK 1.0 mod
my fav troll
peak aoe 11
The best balance FeelsStrongMan