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Fight Club (1996)
by Chuck Palahniuk
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When David Fincher's daughter introduced him to a boy that told him Fight Club is his favorite movie, he made her promise not to talk to him anymore.
I think you're missing words. When the boy told him Fight Club? Told him what about Fight Club?
I though I edited that. I fixed it
I would have done the same, you can't let your daughter with someone who can't follow two rules.
@@joshuaizly5502 Lol good one
Can't blame him. If a man has to treat happiness as a zero sum game, and only feels manly when he dominates other people, he got issues and needs therapy: not to unleash violence on others
We're not supposed to be talking about this.
That's literally the first rule.
@@baronvonkek8467 you've broken the second rule...
We aren't supposed to be talking about not talking about it.
Ahahaahhahahahahahahhahahhahaahh
We're not in Fight Club.
Bro, not only you talked about Fight Club, you put up a FUCKING video about it!!!!!!!
nobody gives a shit about your gay ass fight club
An Ass Fight club could be pretty gay
Better than cock fighting, I'd say.
+Brandon Bradford That must be what Drake's talking about on that Beyonce track, when he says "Don't make me pull up on ya, Imma let my ass do the talking." He's declaring his intention of starting an ass fight club.
+Samuel Jackson
his name was Samuel Jackson
Wisecrack needs to bring this back full time.
To me it comes across more as a critique of that idea, rather than straightforward support. Like a warning of being obsessed with masculinity as the answer to all problems.
The author of the book doesn't seem to see it that way - exactly - he's kind of insane. Apparently thinks the women folk are out to get him. His real life attitudes don't reflect the self awareness and satire that appears to be inherent to his story.
For real though. The author wrote Fight Club as a satire of Project Mayhem, and the insecurities of men
Right? it's right in the text; emotional openness may have made BTB look silly to the narrator, but Fight Club fucking killed him!
The fact the main character is nameless creates an instant connection for the reader to feel closer to the story. I see the book as critiquing the ideas of masculinity and feminity in the modern world in the sense that you can't have one without the other. It creates a lens that focuses on how easily one can destroy things, But it takes considerable effort to build them back up. I haven't read the book, but the imagery near the end of the movie has an almost yin and yang quality which reflects the push and pull of this nature, that in order to conquer oneself, you must embrace the "anima/animus". This becomes even more apparent when Marla is there in the cave, rather than the penguin.
well its kinda both its necessary you to have masculinity in order to sexually attract women and function in a society as a healthy male, he's basically castrated male before he invented Tyler of course during course of the book the whole thing becomes pathologized.
I never realized until now how homoerotic Fight Club is. The narrator wasn't jealous because Tyler was banging Marla, he was mad because Marla was banging Tyler. Same thing with project Mayhem. He wanted Tyler all to himself.
When he's in a crisis of manhood, he goes to a nude beach to look at boobs and reassert his manness, but when he get's there it's mostly dicks as far as the eye can see. That's when his mind breaks and makes a new personality: a tan, chiseled, handsome dude with a big ole dick who says all the right things. That totally checks out.
"I am Jack's inflamed sense of rejection"
Well it kinda makes sense, considering the writer was a gay man who got into fights a lot
Well it kinda makes sense, considering the writer was a gay man who got into fights a lot
Mr mushroom yea maybe he put a bit of himself into the character he created
You guys do realize that Tyler is supposed to be a con artist, right? He lures men in with the promise of freedom and individuality, but turns them into mindless drones in the process, making them slaves to pain and violence and destruction. In other words, he's basically the worst possible expression of modern masculinity, literally embodied.
It’s been two years and still nobody cares
Jarrett Brice 86 people did. Who cares
theBigBadBonobo Gold star, you grasped a facet of the book. Tyler was supposed to represent the polar opposite of what The Narrator's life was. Anything put to an extreme becomes dangerous.
They were already drones, restless lifeless without purorpose or any real power, and what is power? It's choice.
They chose to partake in ritual combat because confronting the pain of emptiness with physical struggle feels meaningful and cathartic to those who don't feel anything but numb to what society wants from or has to offer them, its like color and flavor only existsing in the advertising of the things they are told to want or to be like but none of it truly satisfies.
They chose to be a part of Project Mayhem becuase it was striking at the heart of the debt based system that keeps workers tied to dead end jobs that made them drones and slaves to corporations banks and the plutocrats in power.
Durden made them righteous soldiers in a war against the machine that was wasting theirs and everybody elses life as well. Fight Me Bro
I know I'm Wrong: Nah, man. They just substituted the emptiness of consumerism and wage slavery with the emptiness of violence. They’re lashing out like literal freakin children having a tantrum and destroying shit because... they aren’t allowed to express actual feelings.
I mean, the whole story starts with the narrator going to all those support groups is because it’s the only place where he feels allowed to be emotionally vulnerable, to cry, to hold other people. It’s not healthy, but it’s something. But instead of understanding that that’s what he needs, he just changes substituting intimacy with money or status to substituting intimacy with violence. If they were allowed to just have feelings, to be human, the narrator would never have needed to join those support groups. He never would have needed to start Fight Club, and start Project Mayhem. And all those other men who joined wouldn’t have felt that need too, because they’re in the same exact position. Hell, even Bob only ends up “emasculated” because he was taking steroids, trying to puff himself up as the most hyper-macho buff dude in the world, because men are only encouraged to express themselves through shows of force or status symbols.
They end up destroying society and themselves because they aren’t allowed to have feelings. This was a book written by a gay man about the *perils* toxic masculinity... and everyone thinks it’s in *praise* of it. Freakin tragic, man.
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i absolutely love when you do books that have movies based on them because you make sure to use character designs that reflect the book. it's refreshing. like watching a different director's take on the same material.
The first rule of Fight Club Wisecrack, is that, you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club Wisecrack, is that you do not talk about Fight Club. I'm afraid that i will have to report you to Mr Durden!! ^_^
What Fight Club?
Manny Garcia Exactly.
but...you are mr durden
^_^
cut his balls !!!!!
I actually remember reading that line, "We are a generation of men raised by women," and laughing full out loud. My first thought was "Well, yeah dude, cause women weren't invented til the 50s."
+busi magen Well sure. The "man" model got fazed out in the sixties.
+SkilledKill Thanks for the clarification! I couldn't actually read too deeply into that line. Too busy fixing my hair (things keep flying over it!). Also, I'm pretty busy raising boys with anger issues, so I never think too deeply about the words of others.
+Beth Lowery why do you think the boys have anger issues? If I was raised by you I would too and resent you later in life.
Thinking that as a women you can fix or raise men properly is like me saying I could raise a girl. Not as well without a mother.
Another radical feminists who will ruin some poor boys.
The internet really is in need of a sarcastica font . . .
Long winded rant below, avoid if you're having a good day.
And just to not be snarky or sarcastic at all, that line is uttered by the figment of the imagination of a person with split personality advocating violence and destruction of society for the benefit of . . . well, society.
Also, I would like to point out that, no, this is not a generation of men raised by only women. That would be all of history.
The Black Death killed LOTS of people. Whatcha wanna bet a lot of them were fathers? Also, Spanish Flu and ever other major disease outbreak. Now, let's talk about wars. The ones where men are disproportionately sent off to die. Betcha a couple of them were fathers or fathers to be. And in what year did out of wedlock kids and the children of divorcees become a thing, because I don't think it was recent. There have been and will always be men raised by "just women". Which I believe we call single mothers, these days. And women raised by single fathers. And dogs raised by cats! Mass hysteria!
And my apologies to you, Busi Margen. I understand you were likely just trying to clarify; sorry if my comment sounded shitty. Like I said, I wish often for Sarcastica to be a real thing. And also, I apologize to you, Wisecrack. Didn't mean to devolve like this; I was just trying to make a funny.
Oh, and fuck you, numkie. No one even said the word feminism til you did. Radical? Yeah, about the only thing radical about me are my choices in snacks. #CheeseAndChocolateAreBae
The original comment was just an honest reaction. It had an absurdist humor sound to me that set me to giggling. It was just funny to me. I get - now - what was meant, but at the time, it was just my first, honest, thought.
Nah baller, ya got part of this one wrong. they don't get masculine catharsis from beatin' up each other, they get that mighty catharsis from GETTING beatin' up.
Fight Club came out in a time where things like "Job Security" and "Recession" weren't concerns, but making too much money and being too financially stable was considered a "Bad Thing". Throw in some self-loathing because some men don't know how to express their masculinity in an age where violence is not tolerated by society, and you get Fight Club. It's a story for middle-aged suburban/urbanite men (and "edgy" teenagers) who have never had to face a real hardship or work hard in their life
Fucking 80s and 90s man.
ya I always found the need to be violent to express "masculinity" to be pretty fucking petty. What's your masculinity gonna do you when you're dead. I mean working a dead end crunch job your whole life must suck but you should spend your time gaining an aptitude for something that will last after you die. The fight club is just a giant waste of time.
Besides how does it even make sense, I mean naturally when you go one of the guys fighting has to lose, wouldn't that make you feel worse?
Sonds a bit like the Nirvana-Hype. For me it is another piece of work in the "war" or conflict between measureable side of the world and the not-measurable side of world or entlightment and romanticism or emotions and reason.
But money makes everything measurable or it tries to put a price on unmeasurable things. Thus, this book and a bit more the movie is part of this machine. The same thing is with Nirvana, which had some stylistics of romanticism like the alighting from society and somewhere heartbreaking, but more gibberish, lyrics. And of course both are edgy.
It does however tell my feelings as a unemployed homeless man without the power to do something real about it. Or the lack of conviction of getting out of this situation even if it meant hurting and disadvantiging others that make me feel less like a man.
The commentary on materialism, the emptiness of our culture and the emasculation of men is more relevant today than it was the day it came out. If we go back and reference the movie in particular the plot is even to blow up the credit card bureau and set everyone's debts to 0.00 ( Wouldn't that be nice, if a bit scary) The 2008 recession does not nullify the meaning of this book in any way shape or form. in the same way that the ending of the Great Depression doesn't detract from the truth of the Grapes of Wrath.
true. thats why i couldnt stand the book or the movie.
Please do:
Call of Cthulhu
Conspiracy against the human race
Nausea- Jean Paul Sartre
Respect for nausea, but it’s kind of uneventful
Fear and loathing in Las Vegas, please! Would love to make a beast of myself
Agreed. Now break out the ether.
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Too weird to live; too rare to die.
+Jango1989 upvote
Nice to notice the subtle differences between book and movie. Where one isn't necessarily better than the other. Fun fact: Chuck, the author, actually preferred the movies ending to his own.
This book helped me in a very strange part of my life.
Well done my man. I read the book too, after I'd seen the movie, and I will say that it's a strangely powerful book. There's a reason people are portrayed as work ants in the book and it revolves around the idea that we can even conceive the idea of knowing that in fact we are a work ant and still refuse changing it.
1st rule of thug notes is you don't talk about thug notes.
The greatest! Love these so much! Please do Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas next!
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THIS. I'm shocked that Thug Notes hasn't done any of Hunter Thompson's books.
The rum diary would be great too
YES FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS BY HUNTER:)
Tyler durden doesn't care bout the people he brings into project mayhem. He is a sociopath. At one point the main character states, "I wanted to destroy something beautiful." and that is exactly what Tyler loves to do. He wants to tear down our systems, but can you imagine him rebuilding it?
His ideology of man is flawed. The belief that men are now emasculated worms is a fallacy since masculinity is not the sole definition of a man. Yes, gender roles are changing, yes we have a more complex society with nuanced relationships. Does that mean we are worse off because it? I would argue no, creating meaning in our lives has always been difficult; creating chaos, while temporarily a drive, will leave the destroyer in rubble.
It depends on whether you are okay being a dog that is told when they can piss. The point can be taken too far, but the point is that government and polite society have eclipsed freedom. The most disturbing point is where he described how it was tough to actually get random people to fight you. That is a kind of masochism where you would rather be a doormat than fight for your life and freedom.
see you at starbux after the manipedi
That part always confused me actually. Does it show that men today are weak and masochistic or are they less likely to resort to violence as typically that has a more visceral impact on the individual.
Being controlled by the government/society is an interesting perspective but not one that I think directly relates to fight club. They make little reference to the state overall and mostly reference individual perception and minor gender role statements in relation to society. I didn't think typically they were relating to "polite" society rather than just the general culture, especially in how women and men are supposed to "be"
I mean look at how many women are actually in Fight Club. There is only one female in the entire film, that being Marla, with any impact of the story. She is not dynamic and is little more than a play thing of Tyler. I believe we only limit ourselves by creating this false dichotomy of freedom and "masculinity"
I think that Tyler has a really Nietzschean philosophy
think about it. he states that nothing is worth if it's not through pain and struggle. that's the only way to prove that you are alive and the only way to reach your true self (your "perfect" self) it's destroying you and then putting yourself together and trying again over and over.
You don't have to follow the herd with its hypocritical moral and values that are life denying and dehumanizing with their ornamental and artificial life that holds no meaning.
Humans are not perfect and they shouldn't follow perfect ideals.
That's Tyler
Cops and soldiers have one function; doctors, plumbers,
sanitation engineers, architects, brokers and others have another function. It
would seem if you go to the movieshow, half or better of your entertainment
choices would be all about those loosers who destroy with their guns and their
masculinity. When they're not loosening their belts.
Theory vs practice. In theory it may sound great to some people to favor a few
women/minorities in hiring or firing practices, so that a bigger company can
satisfy its EEOC quotas, and then get some tax benefits. But when a white male
and a female argue on the shop floor a few times, and then he gets fired for no
reason other than this company knows that if they fire her, she can sue for
discrimination, but if they fire me, then I can't do anything to them, well,
then they fired me. For no reason other than meeting their EEOC quotas, and they
didn't want to listen to us argue anymore.
So in practice, your disguised feminism sux for the one person in this world who
counts: me. But it sounds good in theory. The argument started when I said,
"Hey, I can't bend over backwards any further to please you." And all our other
male coworkers just kept on bending over further and further for her.
We are emasculated worms. Chuck Palahniuk and I both did time in Eugene, Oregon,
a hotbed of feminism. They've been shaking their keys there since the early 80s.
And when I type "did time" I'm referring to being around all those lesbian
feminists at the University of Oregon, known for their pioneering Women 's
Studies courses.
The first rule about Fight Club is you don’t talk about Fight Club, but I’m really glad you did this video. Amazing. Creatively done. Love it! ❤️
I think Artemis Fowl would be interesting. The first book has some seriously meaningful vibes if you look deep!
Chuck Palahniuk is a fucking genius. I love the man. His books Invisible Monsters, Lullaby and Diary are so good!
Saman Rai Have you read ‘Choke’ by him. I finished fight club a week ago and also own Choke but have not read it yet. I personally didn’t like the writing style in ‘Fight Club’ and found it confusing. I still want to give more of Palahniuk’s work a try. What novels of his do you suggest?
This was awesome guys! great analysis on probably my favorite book.
These are seriously the most insightful book synopses around.
I like the new artwork on the eyebrow animations
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Fight club is one of the rare instances where the film is better than the book.
I agree. The visual medium was much superior in both informing the audience as to what was going on, and also in pulling the wool over their eyes, interestingly enough. And there were a few little added bits that wouldn't come across properly in the book, like when The Narrator calls Tyler for the first time... from a payphone. The payphone states on the top "does not accept incoming calls"... and yet Tyler calls the number back somehow? Also, the introduction of Tyler Durden as a travelling soap salesman makes a lot more sense than meeting him at a nude beach. It is far more likely that The Narrator was bored and daydreaming and creates Tyler in that kind of a situation than it would for him to for some reason be bored while looking at naked women. I suppose at the nude beach he has more to justify, therefore would be very likely to talk to himself, but the movie shows that he's really used to justifying his job to his "single serving friends.
Plus, the film genre is rife with tropes and techniques that books simply can't have (and honestly usually don't require). Making Tyler Durden genre savvy in the film industry, and having him take a hobby of splicing risque shots into children's films was a great touch. Plus, of course, there are the multiple shots of Tyler doing crap while the Narrator is bored throughout the whole film until the reveal of Tyler.
And the sound track was superb. I still listen to it, actually. Sure, you could listen to The Dust Brothers while reading the book, but you're going to have to set it on repeat and it's already very repetitive, being electronic music. Play an acoustic song on loop and eventually you'll notice it repeats, but electronic music is already packed with deliberate repetition; when you set that on loop, it's noticeable and grating,.
So yeah.... Film was better. The one thing I can say about the book is that it actually contained a real recipe for Nitroglycerine and Soap, and I believe touched on several other illegal things, as well...
I disagree. I saw the movie first and read the book much later. Looking at it that way, one thing the book makes clear very early on that Tyler is an asshole. Later it's clear that he's a dangerous asshole, not sexy dangerous, just APD.
See, but the thing is that the narrator is pulled in by Tyler somehow. Brad Pitt has the charisma to pull off Tyler in a way that's both crazy and believable. You believe he has the charisma to pull off a crazy anti-capitalist cult, and to pull the narrator into his world.
What I like best about the film, though, is that it really plays with its medium. The film splices were a nice touch, as well as all the little visual details you don't notice on the first watch but do on the tenth.
Good call. Also:
The Godfather
M*A*S*H
Maybe I was just too young to listen to the red flags when u first saw the movie =p
Yes,yes,yes
P.D.Have you considered doing memories of a geisha?
they should!!
Yes, yes, yes please! But I can't stop myself from saying that it's Memoirs of a Geisha.
+snitcheyes411 wait wait wait, I read that book like three years ago and I have recommended it multiple time and I'm just learning it's not memoirs? wow
Huh? No, it is Memoirs. The original comment said "memories." I assume that's auto-correct at work, or perhaps a different language translation.
I liked the movie but I don't believe in its cultural authenticity since it was written by an American man. I think it sensationalizes the geisha into something they were not.
Can you do Interview with the Vampire by Ann Rice please?!
Do androids dream of electric sheep?
wait, fight club was a book? the more i know.
I guess no one really talked about it. *hue*
it's a great book, but not as good as RANT by Pahliniuk (the same author) I have read that about 8 times and still have questions... it's a masterpiece
Fight club was one of those extremely rare cases, where the film was actually better than the book.
Like "Shawshank redemption".
+Dima Conn they're very neck in neck imo, the movie has the edge with it's casting
I mean, it's because of that line, most people didn't spoil that movie which can be easily spoiled.
I would love to see an analysis of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas :D
You're breaking the first and second rule of Fight Club!
He's not in fight club. Why would their rules apply to him?
Very clever, playing the 1812 Overture while pitching for the sponsor. I actually sat through it all and listened :)
Oh, yeah. Great note today! Thanks!
Huh, didn't talk about the narrator's repressed homosexuality, eh?
lmao say what dude
Parodyst1 It is true though, and the author himself is gay. Maybe watch Rantasmo's video on Fight Club, if you want more context.
Elinn Andersson
hooly shit what are you talking about, maybe I will watch Rantasmo's video
Parodyst1 Go ahead! I guess I'm not good at explaining things, I hope Rantasmo does a better job.
Lorenzo The Dago Alright, that's completely fine. Though there is no way to deny the homoerotic undertones, especially since they were entwined with the books other themes revolving around masculinity.
Still, I guess I shouldn't be surprised you're not ready to believe. To me, it's hard to believe any character is straight. In fact, why don't you give me hard proof that he is straight (not trying to provoke, just being a cheeky little shit but I'm also being serious in a way).
so happy to see this show still running,it's due time you got a spot on t.v. imo..... love to see your take on "Lamb" by Christopher Moore. I anxiously await the next episode!
Just saw the hidden meaning Fight Club and checked to see if thug notes had one and they just uploaded it lol
You know something, I find it rather interesting that the books and the movies are nothing like each other.
You hope and wish that they were but it's never quite the same. I wish I had a discover channel few years back.
Thanks for doing this one
If anyone wants to read another book by Chuck Palahniuk, I'd recommend 'Damned'! I try to read a lot of different books of different genres, but that has to be one of the weirdest books I've ever read. I used to be really self conscious when reading it on the bus, in case anyone over my shoulder was trying to read it too. I don't even know how to explain it, but I'd definitely recommend it!
you forgot something in your analysis:
you don't talk about fight club
i am so impressed and shocked that he pronounced Palahniuk properly! noone ever pronounces it right, but he just said it the way palahniuk says it's supposed to sound.
villains by necessity by eve forward
Sounds interseting
I just finished Fight Club and the Thug Notes version is excellent summary and analysis.
Blood Meridian next, Mr. G? :D
I read Blood Meridian a year ago, and it is still affecting me. DO NOT READ Harold Bloom's preface. He almost ruins it with his spoiler. Still a great book, but a huge mistake to let Bloom knock the you know what off that rose.
Thank you for the heads up, I hate spoilers, I appreciate it a lot. :)
this analysis is 100 percent correct. all the people applying modern buzzwords like "toxic masculinity" are just trying to revise the meaning. they hate that this book inspired some men to better themselves. tyler durden is toxic? no, all the people in the real world putting men down are toxic. the author would laugh at you people. he claimed to feel alive after a fist fight. it's like trying to analyze a feminist book and saying "ah yes she is actually writing about men's rights issues" lol this book is for men, that's why it bothers modern, bitter women. they want to tear it down and act as if the people who enjoy it were duped somehow, despite getting something out of it.
But... it is about toxic masculinity 🤨
Can you do flowers for Algernon? I just discovered this channel, only been watching thug notes but I'm gonna start watching all the content :)
The subtitles help a lot - This thug notes summary and analysis was hilarious. I've read the book but not seen the film
The movie is so good. The author of fight club even sad the movie was better than the book. You should watch it as soon as you get the chance.
+jason parrish said
jason parrish sorted for tonight -- ))
6:54 So basically Tyler Durden is Jesus if Jesus had been in the Old Testament.
In fight club 3 yeah
I read the book, you did you analysis in the thuggish Houston raised lingo I can both understand, and appreciate. Well done sir.
He should do The Illiad.
I'ma be real with ya'll, I ain't like books worth a sh*t before I started watchin' Thug Notes, but it done made me think about these books in some ways my simple ass never thought about before, and changed my view, not only the literary world, but my basic ass black-and-white perception of the world that my ignorant ass used to think, in ways I would have never possibly have begun to fathom otherwise. It's truly illuminating, and now that I got enough English game to spit what I gotta say, I just wanna say, thank you.
Mad love, Sparky. You changin' the world, one mind at a time.
Do Atlas Shrugged. That book and Fight Club feel like flip sides of the same coin.
I’m honestly surprised by how closely the movie sticks to the book while STILL being its own thing
Do Starship troopers by Robert A. Heinlein next
Never thought about bob as a symbol, nice job!
Ey, now I don't have to read the book/watch the movie. Thanks, Wisecrack! Please consider doing The Epic of Gilgamesh someday?
No, you still need to watch the movie.
***** Is it worth it? Or will it be ruined because I already know the plot twist?
fairfarren38 Absolutely worth it. Great acting, amazing writing. Yeah, I feel like you spoiled it a bit, but you'll still have fun watching the film.
+fairfarren38 I got the twist ruined before seeing the film or reading the book, it's still a great film and the build up to the twist is perfect, I suggest watching it with someone who doesn't know the twist, that way you can see their reaction to the twist
Honestly the movie is even better when you know the twist, because you can watch all the moments that foreshadow it that would fly right over your head if you didn't know the twist.
Among my greatest annoyances are left-wing analysts who claim this book is about toxic masculinity, and right-wing analysts who ignore its anti-capitalist themes.
This, however, is one of the best commentaries I've seen yet.
Please do "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair!!!
I'm doing this for summer reading. Thanks for the video! It really helps!
Star-ship Troopers!
Finally! I could listen to this for half an hour.
If a guy tells you his favorite book or movie is Fight Club... treat that like a red flag.
You hope they love it because of its scathing critique of toxic masculinity... but probably not.
I once knew a girl who said Fight Club was her favorite movie because she had multiple personalities.
@@BradyPostma As long as they dont like it cause they like the things that are going on but they think its just a cool book then its all chill
I miss this guy and his cool analysis
It'd be awesome to see a thug notes of Charlotte's web , yo
I really like this guy. Some people catch things that are more obvious.
I think I like the movie's plot more than the book's. I never finished the book, and this doesn't really make me wanna pick it up again.
They're not the same, the ending for example is pretty different. IIRC Palahniuk said multiple times that even he likes the movie better than the book.
***** How he finds out him and Tyler are the same, how he meets Tyler, and the ending entirely to name some big things.
***** Dude, you clearly don't understand plot. In the movie the narrator meets Tyler on a plane. In the book he meets him on a beach. In the movie the narrator finds out that him and Tyler are the same after the restaurant workers reveal it to him after going to a ton of cities to find Tyler. In the book Marla tells him on the phone. In the movie, the narrator kills Tyler, but project Mayhem succeeds and all the buildings downtown explode in a cataclysmic event more destructive than even 9/11. In the book, he shoots himself in the cheek and wakes up in the hospital with the members of project mayhem still at work. These three moments alone are the BIGGEST events of the movie. If the narrator never met Tyler there would be no fight club. The narrator figuring out that he is Tyler is the huge twist that's integral to the rest of the story after that point and changes your perception on the story before. The ending is...the ending of a book/movie which makes it extremely important as it sums up what the author wanted to do with his book and what Fincher wanted to do with his movie. Yes while the first two differences I mentioned still serve the same purpose in both stories, I just tend to like the movie versions better. Why do you have such a problem with that? These 3 events are the 3 biggest in the book/movie. Please try to tell me any bigger.
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1. Please don't tell me what to care or "worry" about or tell me what I am "worrying" about. You neither have control of me or know, therefore it is pointless for you to act as you do.
2. You actually did deny that those were big things when you said "Those are not 'big things'" So that makes you a liar. I didn't say it matters that they are different. I only said I prefer one's plot to the others. You went from initially saying there aren't differences ("The plots are the same...What did you find different about them"), to saying they aren't big differences ("Those are not 'big things'.), to saying those differences ARE big ("I'm not denying that those three things aren't the most important in the book/movie"). Make up your mind.
I liked the "happier" ending, and I recognize that the first two differences I mentioned serve the same purpose (although I feel like the endings don't). I was just saying I liked how the movie did it better. Sorry for offending you, I guess.
I have read the book and really enjoyed it.
Great video guys keep up the great work
Sideways Stories from Wayside School!
Super sick video! Fight club is my jam.
On another note, I'm on my knees here, please please please do The Strange Case of Dr.Jekyll & Mr.Hyde, I can't believe there's not a video on it yet. It's my favouritest book ever, and seeing it be summarized and analyzed on this show would make my whole life, I think it could be quite fitting for the show. It'd definitely make a sad little nerd happy lol.
Do Phantom of the Opera
Thanks Wisecrack, Fight Club is one of my favorite books by one of my favorite authors. Now, could you please do Robert Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land?
does anyone know the outro music
Fallen Sky 1812 Overture
Tyler, though, as an individual person, has two main political and/or philosophical traits, the one I can get on board with, the other I can't: Anarchism and Nihilism. And I don't mean optimistic Nihilism like you find in Buddhism. It's more of the "Watch the world burn" kind of Nihilism, which unfortunately manifests in his Anarchism. I RESPECT Anarchism if you do it for the right reasons and through no use of violence. I'm Anarchic Left myself on that political compass thing, for what it's worth. This is the best book I've read so far this year, though.
Why not do Homer: The Oddysey?
there already is one.
***** Really?
Abyaz Karim yeah, look it up.
I lost my Voltaire library book, thanks for reminding me, now I'm triggered.
It's the Iliad is what he needs to do
Another great review! Hoping that sometime down the line you can consider talking about "Temple of the Golden Pavilion" by Yukio Mishima. Really a trippy read!
Does anybody else think the "thug" is a vampire?
Holy shit, this channel doesn't have enough subscribers, I love you guys. This is when I awkwardly move from giving praise to requesting specific content, ahem. Perhaps 'The Road' by Cormac McCarthy?
what ever happened to calling men that needed to resort to violence barbaric? why is feeding your ego with violence virtuous? it's fucked how many people actually agree with Tyler even though he is clearly the villain (not to say he doesn't get things right every now and then but most of the time he's just a sick fuck that tries to sound philosophical about how fucked he is)
barbarian is just one more buzzword, but it needs to make a comeback.
We live in a world where MGTOW is a thing. The concept of masculinity is destroyed in this society
+Half-Nerd Half-Something Else
Masculinity has been mutated into Nostalgia for "Manly Men".
Half-Nerd Half-Something Else
funny because MGTOW would describe themselves as the epitome of manlyness. I mean I actually agree that you souldn't judge your own value based on what other people say... that isn't to say that MGTOW isn't filled with godamn retards though :/
If anything I think it's good that we don't think about masculinity anymore, why think about what makes a "man" and "woman" if there really is a way for a person to be good then why would it be gendered? Like somehow ethics works differently for both genders.
I would prefer to be Eddie Izard and cure cancer than be Clark Gable and not do shit that will affect anything past my own life.
Eli DEVITT
it's interesting how masculinity is different in different cultures. Like long hair for instance, it seems really western the idea of having short hair, in Eastern cultures you'd cut someone else's hair as a way of shamming them.
+jhon jacson not in australia haha
Finally a new Thug Notes! Love this series!!
Its basically letting men who are so frustrated by restricted by society but reliving stress in a healthy manner. (Yes fighting and braking things in LEAGALLY is healthy) And of cores project mayhem gets out of control because some members are in deep physiology.(Letting their anger take full control of them) fellas if you feel the need to Fuck shit (Legally) to let out you're frustrations I say go for it ,but don't let you're anger and frustration take control over you.
BlackDoll NerdPrd actually it was a satire of that idea that the male psyche is repressed. You’re believing that it’s about exactly what the author said it wasn’t about. Way to be a lame ass surface level reader.
Would've liked a 'The Philosphy of' video for Fight Club.
Great film/book, terrible fanbase of try hard reddit edgelords
This book sits with Lolita in the "clever, unflinching portrayals of uncomfortable truths that are frequently misinterpreted by terrible men" section of the library.
The obvious big twist in the book is the realisation that the Narator and Tyler Durden are the same person. The second is when the message of aimless self-destruction hits home: You think that Tyler has a plan of reforming society so men rediscover their masculinity and people on the whole become less superficial and materialistic. When he talks about hunting moose through abandoned cities, destroying museums, fine art, pristine beeches and endangered species and has the entire club beat him to a pulp however is when the realisation strikes that he really isn't providing any answers or solutions to society's problems, he's simply on a deranged downward spiral of self-destruction and he's determined to take everyone and everything else down with him.
I felt a similar sudden realisation while reading Lord of the Flies: You'd think that the boys are simply regressing to a more primitive and pure form of nature and are bullying Ralph for standing up to them. They literally burn down the whole island at the end though and it's pretty well implied that had they killed Ralph it would only have been a matter of time before they'd have started hunting or torchering eachother to death too. There was one moment towards the end of the book where I thought it was even implied that Roger had already killed Jack and assumed leadership/dictatorship of the tribe.
Awesome analysis but really Fight Club? Sorry it's overrated, it's basically disillusioned frat boys with daddy issues reading nietzsche 101, hungry to follow to a father figure that exploits them.
Oh boy, a pseudo-intellectual. Please, tell us about your psych or philosophy classes in college.
+Krow I was just pointing out the obvious themes in both the novel and movie, even Edward Norton, who played the narrator, even has said "it's frat boys on Nietzsche".
So what you're saying is that your first comment was plagiarism and that you don't actually have an argument to back it up? Sounds good mate keep up the good work and don't think for yourself.
+mindfulmike I wasn't plagiarized anybody, I was using Norton's quote as a source to support my argument about Fight Club. If I was to blind following, I would be praising novel like everybody who has seen or read Fight Club. Since I'm criticized the novel, therefore I am thinking for myself.
dodson43 You took his idea, regurgitated it without attribution, and then gave nothing to support it besides a "he said it" (in a later post, after you'd tried to pass his words off as yours). Literally nothing you have posted is an idea or analysis of your own.
Importance of Being Earnest, perhaps? I'd love to see some more of the classics.
Awesome episode Sparky!! Please do an episode on Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West by Gregory Maguire.
A New Thugs notes?! At THIS time of day in THIS part of RUclips on THIS channel located ENTIRELY on the Internet?
Now I have to read the book. The movie was GREAT... The book sounds even better since some changes were made to make the movie.
Do "the secret garden" by Frances Hodgson Burnett!!! Favorite book when I was a kid!
I missed Thugh Notes so much, that was as good as your older ones
Dear life, I love you for letting me find this channel. and screw you for not letting me find it earlier
Please do "War and Peace" Summary & Analysis. I am reading it right now, but i think that i am missing deeper meaning in it. You have a great way of pointing that to me... I love every video from Wisecrack! Keep up with great work.
Ps: sorry for my English ( it is not my native language )
The one message I got from the story is this; Once an idea or ideology is fully formed, not even the creator can stop it.
I read it and watched the movie a couple of times and finally came came here just to hear the analysis and see what others think about it, and I don't think its trying to be pro masculinity and pro emasculating, I think it's meant to critique both.
While Fight Club does help develop a sense of bonding between men in such times where society is slippery sloping into full blown isolation between people (even if it was kicking the shit out of people), it also showed how those who are vulnerable can be manipulated by those above much like a cult and eventually the masculinity positives start getting outweighed by the benefits. As for emasculation, it's basically saying that conformity is depressing and only serves those who rule us from their skyscrappers, but on the other hand emasculation can help us be more open about our issues and help us solve our mental struggles.
We sure as hell missed you Sparky Sweets Ph.D.!
Love love love love!!! Hey can you do Memoirs of a Geisha? Flowers for Algernon? One Who Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? A Series of Unfortunate Events? Time Travelers Wife? The Curious Life Of Benjamin Button? Tuck Everlasting? Anything by Stephen King!
THANK YOU!!!! Finally, an analysis for Fight Club! Thank you very much. As I said, I'm a man of my word. Subscribed. :)