The Hate For Goro Akechi Is CRAZY
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2022
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I'm very curious to see how this comment section goes LMAO
Part 2 in like a year from this comment section..?
@@CrystAAHHL AYO????
@@CrystAAHHL yooo? 🤠
ayo???????
Pinoy my man. you are EVERYWHERE. you have really come far since working with Moe
I love how most of these comments end up being more insane then akechi himself
I like to read them with the same voice and tone as Akechi does during his fight with joker
I love the fact that they say they don’t care about him yet Akechi clearly lives in their heads RENT FREE lmao
Don't be sanist.
There's a huge concentration of those on Twitter for years now.
@@MxPokirby tf?
Your evolution from hating on Akechi to falling hard for him, sympathizing with him, to reading and making priceless content from the comments about Akechi alone is golden.
Also the editing for your videos lately are absolutely incredible
Pinoy the goat of editing
It’s the first minute and I’m already dying laughing. Your editor and your comedic timing is perfect.
What you said 😂
So true
Damn straight, Lance.😂
pinoy do be the GOAT
Dying just like Akechi
We can all agree that Royal improved Akechi a lot. Especially in the Final Palace where they nobody actually forgave Akechi, even himself, but they all agreed that working together was the only way to win. I didn't cry over him like you did, but I still felt bad that I couldn't help him in the end.
@@shikitohno47 Mans just told someone to end their life over a video game. Psycho behavior.
I think the only thing that makes someone "irredeemable" is not wanting to change. Anyone has the potential to do better. But answering the question in regards to Akechi directly, I think the outlook genuinely isn't that terrible. The fact that Hereward exists as a synthesis of the two shattered aspects of himself he couldn't reconcile previously, the fact that he's more honest about his emotions to Joker (and even unlocks both Protect and Endure, gameplay-wise) and even to some degree, his attitude towards the PT...It actually feels like the engine room was a very reality-breaking moment for him, more so if you did his confidant.
My sister and I believe that he'd definitely need some kind of external assistance similar to what you see in people with depression. Involving other people and being part of a group (not the PT; but other people who are in similar circumstances) would be a very important one and Persona Q2 actually proves just how much good external group support does him. Guy needs to take care of plants. It sounds silly, but it's in these kinds of things where you see growth.
I think that one mistake people make is assuming that helping Akechi is somehow not holding him accountable, or that alternatively he needs to "earn" forgiveness. I don't believe either is true. He can always do good (community service, maybe, too?) as he evolves, and he doesn't need to be forgiven by anyone in order to have the right to "redemption". That's up to the people he's wronged and has nothing to do with his own personal decision to improve.
Phew. That aside, the editing in this video is absolutely godly, by the way! Really fun and engaging! I had quite a few really good laughs in this.
There was actually a scrapped scene where he is admitted to a psych Ward by his own volition and atoned for his crimes
"guy needs to take care of plants" reminded me of a program they have in some places where they'll give pets to prisoners that give them something to take care of and a reason to stay out of trouble. They get really attached to their animals and it helps reduce their chances of reoffending in the future, so like I think the plants thing could really help someone like goro. Or get him a dog, seemed to work for the other justice kid who wanted to attempt murder 😂
Very well said. Restorative justice is the way. Most people always think in terms of punishment.
I will probably get a lot of hate for this, but I find this "soft" take on vile murderers to be detestable. People want to understand and sympathise with murderers, but not with their victims or the families of their victims. They are forgotten. Murderers even get fanmail in prison from delusional women! I genuinely find this pathological altruism to be sickening. Nobody gives a shit about regular, decent people who struggle with mental health issues, depression, financial issues, health issues etc., but we must somehow devote all our energy to treating vile murderers and rapists with silk gloves? What the fuck does that say about society?
@@Onnarashithis is a video game. Who tf cares
THE ADACHI INCEL MOMENTS COMPILATION 😭😭😭😭
I KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH GIRLS LIKE YOU
@@Pinoy. [pushes you inside of a tv] thot patrol
“I think you mean based moments” - 🤓
Adachi is a great character but Holy balls most of his fans really forgets he is also a murderer
@@fwapkiwami he's a great character but man is he also a horrible person
I'm of the belief that part of the Akechi hate is in part of the West not truly understanding the severity of Akechi's backstory of being a bastard child born from Shido's affair with a sex worker resulting in him and his mother discriminated because of it leading to his mother killing herself out of shame, making Akechi an orphan. Lady Virvilia's video of Akechi being a throwaway child in Japan is pretty insightful and explains his popularity over in Japan as it is very relatable. The West call it "daddy issues" cause being a bastard and orphan don't carry the same stigma as it does in Japan unless you're part of some strict religious group.
Probably why Adachi is popular aside from the incel shitpost memes, is because his issues and background are very much widespread in the world for the demographic of adults who play these games.
Also due to vanilla P5 fumbling the bag when it came to Akechi's confidant. And the most unforgivable one was giving a rank up as Akechi was about to put a bullet into our heads. Very unfortunate most people's first experience was vanilla.
@@MegaManDied Akechi's vanilla confidant wasn't fumbled though. Not really, the bond did grow especially from Akechi's perspective. Not really....I mean it was good.
My hate for him mostly steems from the fact that you get that he's the bad guy pretty early (the killer pose in the arcade / "but no I don't know how to handle guns uwu" ) and then he sucks up to you how interesting blabla you are. Which got so repulsive over time i just wanted to kill him.
"Incel shitpost"
@@jaydenc367 I personally do feel that the vanilla confidant was fumbled, but I think it was fumbled by making it an auto-leveler. It makes him seem even less subtle as a character because of the emphasis this mechanic places on him, placing him on level with Morgana and Igor for story impirtance and progression. Giving him his own events that aren't tied solely to the story's progression makes him feel a lot more like his own character and not just a semi-obvious traitor trope that is required to magically manifest and insert itself into main story moments and nowhere else.
The fact that she can take hate comments but can't take slander on certain persona ships is too funny to me 😂
You know how a person can be triggered by one thing but not give a shit about the other even if they're similar? That's what happened here
@@yourdad5799 this is very true
"I can sympathize with him(Adachi) more than I can with Akechi."
Yes. That is the point of Adachi. Adachi is an everyman made into a monster by the negative effects of isolation and feeling trapped by a society that doesn't value it's citizens enough outside of just saying "grow up, work, pay taxes, and die". He's a horrible person, but he is made to be a sort of cautionary tale against going through life and only looking at the negatives while denying the positives because they fail to make up for how generally shitty the world can be. That is a trapping that everyone falls in to at some point in their life at least once, even after playing P4 and understanding it's messages. He is made to be the monster anyone can become, and thus someone that you may curse and condemn, but also understand.
Akechi, meanwhile, isn't like that. He's, for one, a kid. Adachi was an adult. Already, expecting Akechi to have a life, backstory, and view point as fleshed out as Adachi is not only unrealistic, but showcases just how arrogant/ignorant some of his haters are. Secondly, he's never actually been able to forge his own identity. His identity is shaped by the people around him. Multiple times in the game he's like "this thing is popular so I need to check it out so I can give my opinions on it". He doesn't do very many things because he wants to, but because he knows other people either want or expect that of him. He is, like Adachi, a cautionary tale. He's a warning to not build your identity purely around the thoughts and opinions others have of you. When all that is torn away from him, all the popularity, all the outside influence, and he's faced with people he can be true towards, the Phantom Thieves, he's practically just... blank. He has his hate for Shido, his paradoxical desire for Shido's approval, his rivalry with Joker, but other than that? Self loathing, depression, an unhealthy obsession with the value placed onto him by others, and a lot of other stuff that means the kid needs more therapy than a Lovecraft protagonist.
Akechi isn't meant to be sympathetic in the same way Adachi is. If he was, he would just be Adachi.
I don't want another Adachi. I want a character that can stand beside him as one of the best written antagonists in JRPG History. Does Akechi meet those standards? I think so. He wouldn't be so well loved by the community if he wasn't.
Besides, Adachi was hated at first too, and I fucking guarantee it that most of y'all dumbasses were on that bandwagon as well, ya God damn hypocrites.
YES! DELICIOUS. finally some good Adachi and Akechi comparison analysis. I love it.
This such a well written comment, nice work
I personally don't think we're even meant to sympathize with Adachi since yeah, we understand what led him to become the bitter, negative, isolated person that he is during P4G but he's also like that due to his own choosing, he let his circumstances mold him as a person due to his own biases and never tried to fight back against it like Yu does. In a way, him and Akechi are very similar in that regard, which is why they're both such amazingly written characters. People just tend to wrongly assume that just because a story presents the context of something or someone bad like that, they're also trying to justify said thing, which is not the case at all.
I want another Adachi actually
@@B0K0691 If Adachi’s so good, where’s Adachi 2?
In Vanilla, I’m one of those people who genuinely disliked Akechi. But when his somewhat redeeming qualities came up in Royal, that’s pretty much when I started to tolerate/like the guy.😤➡️😁👌🏼🐦
Same here hated his character through the base game when he died I thought ab he's not awful still a dick but I started to feel guilty for him I think. Then royal came around but already knew what to expect so was thinking let's see what he does and although he's still a dick his character as it's written is what I love about him.
I never hated him, but he felt underdeveloped and underutilized, so it was hard to connect with him. Royal was that extra push he needed to go from a potentially good character to a legitimately great one.
His internal monologue about how his life sucks during a talkshow segment is VERY hamfisted, I can see why many people were put off in the OG Persona 5
Same, in vanilla i did not understand why akechi was voted best confidant, then came royal and his new confidants and i actually started liking him
honestly same, I didn't really like akechi in vanilla since he just felt underdeveloped and underused, in royal though? esp third semester? loved him
So many people really miss the nuance of Akechi's character, and while it's okay to dislike him, folks get so nasty about it the moment someone shows any attachment to him. For starters, the fact that being a bastard child in Japan is MISERABLE due to the society's collectivism and value of familial ties. Children in the foster care system are horribly treated. Top that off with his mother taking her own life and then him falling into Shido's hands and Shido himself admitting he instructed Akechi on how to use his power, and Akechi being manipulated by a god... the deck was stacked against him from the start. Obviously, he still did terrible shit, but he was basically put to task by Shido, and I think people overestimate his actual kill count (it's not hundreds- it's probably closer to a dozen or so, which is still awful, but people love to exaggerate). I also feel like people who think he shows no remorse... really didn't pay attention. He looks genuinely sad when he asks Morgana about changing hearts, admits if he had met Joker years ago, things could've been different, and does save the PT in Shido's palace and begs for them to change Shido's heart.
Also, the dude tried to turn himself in- if he didn't regret anything, why would he do that? He also could've taken an easy out- living in a reality where the people he killed are okay, where nobody is aware of his crimes, and he can have a fresh start, but he chose to embrace reality knowing that he might not make it out of there alive. There are convos in mementos that also show he's at least civil for the PT and grateful that they stopped Shido, and he's p. cordial with Yoshizawa. People love to hype up how unrelenting and crazy Akechi is- but in the end, he's very aware of what he's done and isn't asking for forgiveness. Plus if we take true end at face value, he's being escorted by guys in suits- it's entirely possible that he intends to turn himself in again. We won't know unless Atlus follows up on that.
Also, Adachi is a grown ass man who generally had full agency in his choices, whereas Akechi bit off more than he could chew as a kid and basically got stuck in that situation and grew numb to it. If anything, Akechi is more comparable to a child assassin or solider than a serial killer. Even if he had gone straight for Shido, Shido has powerful connections, and given that the men who benefited from Shido were still after the PT in the end and still pulling strings after his change of heart, the moment he turned against the hand that "fed" him, he'd be utterly screwed. He put himself into a situation from which there was no means to escape, with a frankly stupid plan. Made terrible choices and likely came to regret it FAR too late, and even in the event that he's alive (the devs strongly hint that he is if you max his confidant in the official guidebook (?))... I don't see him being content to just act like nothing happened. I don't think anyone would, and he'll have to live with that guilt for the rest of his life if he sticks around post-true end.
To like Akechi is not to pretend he did nothing wrong. Even if he was being used, he still caused immeasurable pain to people like Futaba and Haru, was willing to kill Joker to appease Shido/for his own reputation (even if I doubt he actually wanted Joker to die if you raise his confidant), and gave many people psychotic breakdowns/shutdowns at Shido's behest. But something P5 and Royal try to communicate is that despite EVERYTHING, Akechi is perhaps Shido's greatest victim, and you can understand his plight without forgiving him, as the Phantom Thieves express.
* Not saying it's wrong to like or prefer Adachi. As another commenter said, he is a cautionary tale. But I personally think the two fit wholly different niches and both of them are influenced by the Japanese culture these games originate from, which a lot of westerners don't consider.
thank you for having a brain unlike so many of these commenters
I hate this mindset that you can't like a villain without condoning the bad things they've done. So you hit the nail on the head. I freaking love Trevor from GTA V because a lot of his antics and his personality are really funny and entertaining but I know he's a murderous cannibalistic drug dealer and I don't condone any of the bad stuff that he's done.
I love your videos especially on Asgore and I really love how you analyze characters who are often misunderstood by people
I’m not reading all that
"Men don't cry at RPGs"
Ha ha ha...yeah...
(desperately trying not to tear up from just hearing the words "Undertale" & "Omori")
Me _definitely_ not crying my eyes out on the final day of P5R.
/s if it wasn't obvious
Undertale was the first game to make me cry, and i'm not talking just silent tears running down, i'm talking bursting into tears crying.
Me every single time Junpei and Chidori are mentioned
If you cry over a game that means its a fucking masterpiece. How can people be mad about that lol. (disclaimer: I may or may not have cried like a bitch at the ending song of p3.)
Honestly I was sad and pissed. It was the first persona game I played and spent all that time leveling up that character and forging bonds with others and they just kill him off. For a while I thought it was the worst game in the series( little did I know of the dreaded encounter rate in 1) but I've since changed my opinions and reflected on what the message of the game was and realized how beautifully the ending was done 😭
Who didnt tho
I also may or may not have cried at the end of P2: IS and P2:EP
@@Moonlight-fh7yo it's very good game, the message was done and executed beautifully 😭
When I originally played P5 (base version, in 2017), I wasn't super big into analysing characters or getting into a super deep story. So in the end, I was already super exhausted with the length of the story and couldn't really grasp or understand Akechi's character at all (the promotional material and the intro showing that you were betrayed by one of your partymates also didn't do wonders for Akechi in my book either).
But then, your playthrough of the Persona games showed me a lot of little details the devs hid in the game, both in foreshadowing and emotional development and writing of the characters. Sure, the game misses the mark here and there at times, but your commenting on it all really helped me understand where they came from and what they were building up towards.
Ultimately, I think you need a lot of empathy, emotional intelligence, and/or to have been in close contact with these kinds of emotional trauma to really understand Akechi as a deep and complex character, instead of summing him up as double-agent anime murder boy.
Thank you for teaching and giving us a new perspective to look at!
I'm a dude and I was BAWLING when I was playing persona 4 snd 5
legit screamed "bloody murder" so hard I woke up the entire house when I thought *spoiler* died in persona 4
man I once saw that picture of Joker and Akechi playing chess captioned with "As he enjoys his healthy rivalry, there is no trace of darkness in Akechi's expression" and it haunted me a little. Outside the obvious "spooky cuz it's fake au and made him not himself" implications, it just kinda hit me hard man. If his mother had survived, if he'd been lucky enough to have a decent foster experience, so many years of misfortune inform the "darkness in his expression" which permeates his character. it just makes me think of my own traumas and how they significantly shifted the trajectory of my life. Of course Akechi made his own decisions, and he bears the responsibility for them, but the circumstances he grew up in aren't just an irrelevant "excuse" imo. that shit informs how you perceive and respond to the world
anyway i'm his vulnerability issues and flagrant disregard for his own life
As a woman whose favorite video game character of all time is Akechi, I can safely say that I am in a relationship with a wonderful, kind man that I plan to marry one day, and he is not a serial killer or a "bad boy." These people conflate fiction with reality so much lmao. They think that if you have a preference for something in fiction then that means that you want to marry that person irl or be in a relationship with someone similar. THOSE people need therapy, but most people can tell the difference between reality and fantasy-land...
Some people also think that if you can relate to a villainous character than that means something’s wrong with you, you can relate to a villainous character and not be a bad person I have quite a few villainous characters I can relate to and I can proudly say that I’ve never killed anyone.
@@jewellchastain4244 Exactly, tbh I think we’re SUPPOSED to relate to an extent to these characters. Lots of people know what it’s like to be incredibly angry with a person that hurt you. Lots of people know what it’s like to have a loved one commit suicide. Or, from the outside, lots of people know what it’s like to have a friend that is so far gone that you don’t know what to do and feel helpless to watch them spiral downward. No, we don’t relate to being a murderer. But we can often relate to what got him there.
I guess I just don't personaslly see anything that appealing or relatable about Akechi. Maybe because I'm not an orphan and neither of my parents committed suicide. Sure, those could be factors. But when it comes to his actions, I just can't see a good enough excuse for them. Don't get me wrong, Akechi is my favourite P5 villain. Keyword being VILLAIN. I love to HATE him, much like people love to hate/fear other villains like Sephiroth in FF7, or fictional movie killers like Michael Myers and Jason Vorhees. I see literally nothing positive about Akechi. He's purely a great villain to be hated IMO.
@@Onnarashi It makes sense that you feel that way because that’s what you took from the character! Bottom line is we should all be able to respect and understand how people feel differently about the same fictional character without making assumptions about the person’s own morals/psychology (not accusing you of that btw, just making a general statement). And I definitely agree that there’s not a good excuse for cold blooded murder in Akechi’s case (or really in any other case)
@@shikitohno47touched a nerve there LMAO chill
Some of these clips had me dying, especially the teammate betrayal one, simply amazing. He can definitely be redeemed, my thoughts align 100% on the reasoning here. He's also, what, 18 or 19? The guy's barely out of his teens, of course he can change.
I always liked Adachi more as a character, but that doesn't mean Akechi is a bad one. In fact I think he is incredibly well written and misunderstood for having similar traits to Adachi (on the surface). Can't people just like both characters and not go to war over which one is better?
I don't even think they're comparable apart from the surface level tbh. Adachi was the actual culprit behind the murders in Inaba whereas Akechi's murders were carried out on behalf of Shido. If anything, he feels more like Namatame if he were actually malicious.
@@kartikayysola Heavily agree, but they are both detective killers and thats what most people see. Most people who play persona contrary to popular believe do not really care about the deeper meaning of the characters (not the theme or what they represent) and care about the general story of the character.
@@israelikaiser2107 kinda sad, but you're probably right
Adachi and Akechi both wanted acknowledgement. But Adachi felt like he was owed it and took his anger out on the world. Akechi wanted to earn it and pretty indifferent to most people.
@@israelikaiser2107 I mean, they’re both killer detectives who pretend to be your friend, both have (albeit twisted) moral compasses and traits that humanise them, both have similar character traits and emotions (narcissism, jealousy, misanthropy) and both have a complicated relationship with the protag, so they’re not THAT different.
Seeing all of these comments about Akechi I have one thing to say:
Where is the lie ?
Also u and the editor are hella funny, love the vibe lmao
People who hate Akechi and love Adachi are huge red flags lol. Like Akechi is a mess but at least he ain't no rapist pedo
Who did Adachi raped again...? No one, persona fans really don't play their games lmaooooo.
@@Goro_Akechi_Crow When you attempt murder but fail people will still call you a murder, Adachi tried to rape 2 people but failed in the process he still is a rapista
@@chillswany He literally never even ATTEMPTED to grape anyone wtf, he threw in the first woman because she admitted to having an affair, and the second one for rejecting his advances.
You DID not played the games, stop larping.
@@Goro_Akechi_Crow You’re either pretending not to get it or you’re mentally challenged, if you’re a woman and a man makes you get with him or else he kills you what do you call that my dude
@@Goro_Akechi_Crow Adachi is literally a weirdo incel
Akechi is that kind of character that is so complex and controversial that you are going to see people talking trash on both sides: people who hate him because they didn't understand his character, people who love him for stupid reasons, and so on.
He reminds me a lot of Nagito Komaeda from Danganronpa in this aspect, and both are my favorite characters from their respective games.
Oh my word, the whole Shadow Nerdge bit absolutely popped off and had so much more editing and visual quality than it had any right to. 🤣 Fantastic job all around, tons of love to your editor and to Dom's big brain finish.
why do so many people think that liking a character = forgiving them/being okay with what they did?
you can like an "evil" character and that doesn't mean you automatically excuse all of their actions
is that really so hard to understand for some people?
What so many of these comments seem to miss is nuance. What could he have been if he'd been dealt a kinder hand in the beginning, and that's where, I think, Chrystaahhl's emotional response comes from, the lost potential he could have had. The art of creating a great villain is showing how they got to where they are now, and Akechi is a great villain because you can see how he got to being the man he is in P5.
Could he be redeemed if he survived? Some might argue he's too far gone. Semester 3 in Royal suggests that there is a degree of empathy buried beneath the cruel, bitter armour, but you could argue that'd be Joker's wishful thinking made manifest in the supposed 'perfect world'.
Akechi would have to unlearn the depth of defenses and coping mechanisms he'd built up over the years; the selfishness he used to protect himself from the unjust game. It may be possible, but it may be his mind is too cracked to be able to successfully go down that path.
Always loved Akechi since vanilla and even more in royal, definitely my favorite fictitonal character of all time.
I personally find it really weird that hes so controversial with people because I never really see that sort of intense hatred for characters like him in other fandoms? Like plenty of animes and videogames have assasin/serial killer characters, some way worse than Akechi, and barely anyone will bat an eye at them. I think its due to just the nature of the persona games themselves and how the main characters are usually pretty righteous and have stricter morals than you see in other series. That and I lowkey think half of his haters are there cuz people dont like how people ship him with Joker so often lmaoooo (and the fact that the game seems like it does too sometimes). Kinda funny but also sad that people cant take a step back anf just truly analyze his character for all that it is.
I remember before royal came out a lot of people didn't like him because they thought he was a horrible twist villain (cuz obviously he's the traitor, soon as you meet him you know) and so he was extra hated for what seems like bad writing. I do think Royal fixes this though because it makes it really clear that Akechi isn't even supposed to be a twist villain. The whole point of his confidant is that both sides know the others secret and sus each other out by going on weird rival dates and sharing backstories. After royal I definitely don't see this complaint as often. Now the main thing that annoys me is when people forget that he didn't kill all those people by himself. He was literally coerced into doing so by his extremely powerful father when he was young and vulnerable. He's also less of a serial killer than he is an assassin but people who hate him don't usually acknowledge that because the term assassin sounds cooler and less serious than serial killer (and even then both terms can't fully describe the situation Akechi was in). Anyway, just some of my observations that I find interesting. Sometimes I kind of like that he's so controversial just because it gives me more opportunities to analyze his character by thinking about how other people critique him but that's just me. Loved this video, was pretty silly funny haha (and I also cried over Akechi so it's not that weird). :)
Well maybe it's because most of persona characters are pretty straightforward and say explicitly what they're feeling, the game tells you what they are, what's their motivation and shit so it's easy to understand them without much thought. But with akechi you have to actually think why he is doing things that he's doing and put yourself in his shoes. Perhaps persona fans just don't bother to understand his character i don't know that's how I see it
@@freilotte yeah ur on point. The thing about Akechi's characterization is you need to piece it together from different sources. There's what he says about himself, what Shido says about him, what Yaldobaoth says about him, and what the phantom thieves say. The biggest indicator that people dont get him is the fandom-wide assumption that he wants to kill Shido when he doesn't want that at all. The revenge is just half of his motivation, the other half is about wanting to be loved and acknowledged. That's why Shido's cognition of him says "you just wanted to be loved" and why Shido's shadow said he controlled Akechi by using praise. Akechi is insanely love-starved and the adults in his life exploited that. And he's not uniquely evil because the phantom thieves acknowledge they couldve ended up like him if they were less lucky.
Honestly as much as I wish Akechi's survival was confirmed instead of Atlus dancing around it, it does hit hard knowing that you CAN save him (the true ending) as long as you put in the effort to understand and empathize with him. Joker was the first one who ever did. It shows how far simple care can go to save someone. And isn't the story all about rehabilitation over punishment?
God bless these individuals for making such entertaining content for us to watch. Also god, the editing is so good here.
The people who judge someone as a person based on what fiction characters they like are wild to me. There is almost always a reason someone likes a character even if it is vain or simple. I personally think it is a sign of immaturity to just judge a person who likes a character and not understand why that is. I feel like it all comes down to why someone likes them. If someone likes Akechi because he was some edgy murderer bad boy then that would be one thing. But a lot of people like him because of the way his overall situtation could be seen in someone's life. Someone probably doesn't know a teenager who is a hitman on a revenge quest to kill his father. But they might know someone who has everything they need to turn their life around for the better but won't. Who refuses any help you offer them. He just won't begin the work to take steps to recover from his trauma. People may sadly see that in their own lives.
Akechi may have been trash, but he grew and became an amazing character as the story progressed. I loved akechi and everything about him, especially in royal when we got a real confidant with him
Nah akeshi is still trash
he may be trash but he is OUR trash
@@fatethefox fair.
It was always funny to me how many people think 'You like a character of the opposite sex? you MUST want to f***/marry them!'. No, it doesn't (necessarily) work that way, if you think that way, it says more about you than it does about anyone else.
Also you did change my view on Akechi as well, so thank you. :)
The editing on this is absolutely top tier LAMO.
The question about Akechi being redeemable is interesting. Knowing what it's like to have someone who's gone off the deep end and seeing how Joker interacts with Akechi (he's like the friend who doesn't agree or go against Akechi, just kinda stays by his side as he spirals) I'd say yes, to an extent. I think that he really can only be redeemed for as far as he wants to be saved/ change. If after Royal he changed his ways then yes he's redeemable but if he ended up acting the same way he has the whole game (up to December anyway) then I'd say he can't be helped at that point.
I sympathize with Akechi, his backstory is sad but I don't excuse his actions. He must still be held accountable for his murders. He's a complex character and I like him as an interesting character, not as a sympathetic one
10 years in jail...
The editing in this video is so toptier. Pinoy did such a great job!
I’ve been having a rough week, and this video made my day! I was there for the live, but the editing and comedic timing of this video was just what I needed, thank you for providing me a much needed laugh! ❤️😂
it was amazing. and I want more of this! great video as always!
I heard 'Damn Joker' and I hate how my mind immediately jumped to 'Back at it again with the White Vanns'
I don’t think Akechi could ever be redeemed to the point of being on the side of good, but it seems Royal shifted his character from neutral evil to chaotic neutral. So I think the best he could get to is probably lawful neutral, just because I don’t think he could bring himself to forgive the people that traumatized him and made him the person that he is, and so he’ll still harbor all of that hate and I don’t think he’ll quite get over it.
Chaotic neutral is best for Akechi, seeing as his persona is Loki, who is the epitome of chaotic neutral :)
10:34 - this line, best line added to Royal imo. Thank you for showing it off! XD
I am just absolutely loving the editing and how funny some of these comments are. Some of these are just wild assumptions based off of literally nothing but liking a character, which is so funny.
Awesome video. I love how you get attached to characters in games, it's endearing. I also understand that some people can't get attached or invested In characters or stories that aren't real. Seeing someone get emotional over a video game character or a cartoon character would be weird and off putting. Thanks for being entertaining and loving rpgs.
8:50 Yes, I really think he could ^^
In the 3rd semester he talked about how he was done with the Shido stuff and wanted to carve his own path for himself from now on, even if that meant he's probably dead.
He even tried to go to jail on Christmas to stop Joker from being arrested. He cares, he just used to care about his narrow minded revenge plan more but now he's trying to move on.
Sure he'll still be snarky and he'll still yell when killing shadows, but that doesn't make him bad in any way. Let the boy cut loose, he deserves it.
So yeah, I think he very much can be redeemed and he'll try to do better in the future ^^
i had to double check that I didn't just miss this video from your channel and that in fact, WAS new. oh boi here we go
Average person meeting Akechi: Man, this detective character is sueve, cool, and calculating... I really like him.
Average person getting to know Akechi: Ugh, he betrayed us, hates us, and is the killer! I hate him!
Crystal meeting Akechi: Man, this detective character is sueve, cool, and calculating... I hate him!
Crystal getting to know Akechi: Ugh, he betrayed us, hates us, and is the killer! I really like him.
I have incredibly mixed feelings on Akechi, I feel deeply for him but his choices frustrate me greatly. He can probably be redeemed but it would require him to be vulnerable, specifically to Futaba and Haru, and to actually grapple with what he is and is not responsible for, what choices he made and those he didn't. If he's still alive after several years he may be ready for that, but as he is right after Royal, no.
First of all: thanks this video was the best laugh I had in a while and a very needed and welcomed one! Props to your editor and to you to bear with those comments!!
The question about Akechi being redeemable is thought provoking to say the least. My 2 cents here are: He can find redemption but in his own way. As you said I don't think looking for therapy or a healing retreat would make sense for him. Our murdery boy need to figure out if he sees on himself the possibility to change. Maybe after being in touch with the PT's and their resolve to steer their own lives and move on, that could ignite the will to do the same for himself. After seeing a world that he can work together with someone and also be his usual self I feel he could get there. One of the core matters here is: I don't think he would put himself in self pity for what he had done, just acknowledge his past was driven by his birth circunstances and revenge, and now he has an open canvas to move his life in the direction he wants to.
Akechi is indeed that friend that is out of your reach to help, the best you can do is hope for his own resolve and time.
LMAOO this was hilarious and Pinoy the legend did an amazing job at editing this. Thanks for the laughter Crys & Pinoy
Also Dom was BASED at the end HAHA
Honestly, I'm late but Pinoy's editing really made this video. Great stuff~!
Listen I'm someone who really dislikes Akechi and even I think these comments are hilariously unhinged, like damn ppl really will go so far just to overexplain, "I just don't vibe with this one" LMAO
I had to go back and watch your first video and it makes the comments even funnier. Like clearly your connection is your compassion for someone that can't, or won't let themselves, be saved. Speaking from experience, this is an INCREDIBLY hard thing to go through. So seeing everyone go "lol akechi simp" is even funnier because of how little they get it.
Really love the editing here, the bit at 2:30 in particular made me laugh
I'm someone who has difficulty sympathizing with Akechi given his own evil choices, but I love how he just embraces the darkness in Royal. Post game Royal Akechi is my fav character.
Joker’s a masochist, Akechi’s a sadist.
It’s like they’re meant for each other
You are insane my friend. How the heck can one say a character as changeable from player to player as Joker is a masochist. Also do you realize Akechi didn’t do what he did for the fun of it? Thinking you are special and you have the right to step on everyone for your goals then it’s certainly not right but that doesn’t equal to sadist.
@@edwardsuouCalm down, it's just a joke lol
The problem I had with Akechi wasn't actually Akechi himself but how the phantom thiefs reacted to him, especially since they know he killed hundreds of people, and betrayed them, but then he saves joker and oh so sad, I wish it was handled a bit better like with Ken in P3. On top of that, he was kinda underutilized in the story, I just wish we got more from him, but at least I've heard he got better compared to the vanilla P5 that I played
Play Royal, max his confidant and get to the 3rd semester, you’ll see how much better his character gets there. He’s one of if not my favorite characters in the game because of it specifically because of how his arc was handled in the 3rd semester
Akechi appears a ton more in Royal and has a real social link. I also think the Phantom Thief's reacted accordingly. They change hearts instead of killing because they believe people can change. If they approached Akechi as if he were an unchangeable, irredeemable monster then that would go against the themes the story had. They didn't forgive him, they were giving him a chance to change, showing that they'd be there to support him when he (assumedly) turned himself in. It's really kind and powerful. A few of our party members had lost family members to him, and they still wanted to give him a second chance. That's who the Phantom Thieves are, they want society to change based on self responsibility and accountability, not by brute force.
It should be noted that in 3rd semester, even tho the Phantom Thieves work with him, they don’t trust him. Safe room convos and Mementos convos basically spell out that Crow’s alright with Joker and Violet, he’s on thin ice for the rest of the team.
I'm pretty sure his kill count is less than 10, exaggerating it is funny tho i get it
@Ghostly! um didn't he cause the train crash at the start of the game, that's got to be at least 100
Jesus Christ the editing is funny, what a great video
the editing is INSANE!!!
I don’t know if “redeemed” is the right word, but I definitely think post-Royal Akechi has the potential to become a better person-and, if the cut scene is anything to go by, he will. Time (and therapy, lots of therapy) would do a lot to help him heal and come to healthy terms with his past and what he’s done.
Even in the game itself, you can see there’s moments where he becomes self-aware, where he recognizes that his hatred for Joker is founded on his own flaws. But at that point he’s not ready to actually confront those issues, which is why he still fights the Phantom Thieves before (faking) his death-he runs away, in other words. He absolutely could have swapped sides then and there; but being the toxic tragic character we all hate to love, he can’t handle the compassion being shown to him.
This might sound crazy, but Akechi reminds me of Gollum. They’re both self-loathing, ruthless, obsessive little gremlins who when shown mercy and pity are of two minds on how to react.
I think a way for Akechi to redeem himself after Royal (assuming he is alive) is that he should live for himself. Not for anyone else's approval or living up to society's expectations of him but to genuinely live for himself while still holding on to morals and thinking of others similar to the phantom thieves.
I would also say that in his journey for redemption wouldn't be so that people would see him as redeemed and good again but to redeem himself in his eyes and to show himself that he is worthy enough to live his own life. Maybe he still can be Smug-kechi and can still be insane here and there, but he wouldn't let the burden of his past dictate his future actions while also remembering what he has done to remind himself that he can be better.
THIS IS THE BEST VIDEO EVER THIS WEEK AND ITS ONLY THURSDAY
I think Akechi can have his redemption arc
I actually came across your Persona series on my youtube recommended one day I forget exactly when while I have not played P5 myself at any point because somehow I am still not financially stable enough to afford it (One day though), that said I did have a large amount of the plot spoiled for me quite awhile ago so I figured I had nothing to lose by watching your P3-P5 series while I have played P3 and P4 golden myself.
I think the concept of a redemption Arc for for Akechi is interesting to talk about, as things end in Golden it looks like Adachi is already on the path to redemption so maybe he and Akechi can meet up in prison and compare notes and maybe one day soon they could each be worthy for their respective men (You know where I'm going with this) ;)
God I love shipping Wars. XD
I like Akechi as a character. His split personality and relationship with Joker are interesting and fun to watch.
What he did is unforgivable. However, when you like a fictional character, it doesn't matter if he's good or bad.
To answer the question you asked (if Akechi could be redeemed after the events of Royal); I think it definitely depends on what you see as someone being "redeemed". Is it to make up for everything he has done? Then no, since the lives he did take is something that's impossible to take back or make up for. A human life is worth more than that. However, if it's "enough" for him to /want/ to make up for it and does things to become a better person, etc, then yes, as long as people think that's enough. As for my opinion; I don't think anyone can make up for taking another human life, but it will still be "enough" if they try (although it also depends on the situation, of course, as well as my opinion having less weight than those involved).
This is top notch editing 👌
great video! you never fail to make me laugh. a lot of people just see akechi as edgy murderer and don't see that their is more to him than that. Their are tons of great character breakdowns on why he is a good character or why he does what he does. also weird how they don't understand how people can get attached or invested in characters. like that's the point of these games. Im pretty sure there are tons of characters throughout media that personally struck a cord with them. but because they don't like the character they leave hate comments over it? idk dude.
it definitely wouldn't be a fast or easy process, but i think with time Akechi could find redemption and change for the better. it might involve starting over somewhere new, and it might require reaching out and making friends in some form, but it's not impossible. even though he might be Justice, he's still a Wild Card and no longer bound by Yaldabaoth(yeah i subscribe to the idea of Loki being a gift and a way of keeping Akechi under control) thanks to the evolution into Hereward. he can grow and change and move on. he can form new connections and find some semblance of inner peace. he can have a chance to enjoy life in ways he couldn't before and be his truest self, whoever that may be at this point.
-he can run his featherman fan blog in peace and maybe find some send of closure with his past as gray pigeon's actor in an adaptation of featherman seeker-
I'm not too sure Akechi can redeem himself. The entire arc of Royal he gave everything to be able to return to a reality where he doesn't exist, where he's dead, and I don't know... it makes me doubt his mental stability, he pretends to be a strong boy but he's too damaged to move on , and those moments of madness when he fights are nothing more than an outlet for that very thing. If he's still alive, I don't know if I know a good thing for him, to have to walk away from the only friends that were with him and start over with all that trauma and guilt of what he did. A bit difficult (?)
This video is amazing!
I actually just found you recently. I just played through Persona 5 Royal (my first Persona game) for the first time last month, and I’ve been watching tons of playthroughs and reactions to my favorite bits. Akechi has become a top 3 favorite gaming character for me and I too got emotional. I look forward to playing the rest of the series especially since 3 and 4 are coming to game pass next month. Anyway, super fun being able to check it this series for the first time and share it with other people. Hope all is well 👍
he is a killer but he redeemed his sins and sacrificed himself twice for humanity. lol the whole Persona storyline is about "people can change and become good". if you can't get over this why do you play this game?
Honestly if he's alive, I think he can be redeemed, after a shit load of therapy. But here's the thing, if he gets redeemed I don't think he can be friends with the Phantom Thieves, he'd literally have to start completely over completely separated from them
I REMBER THIS STREAM!!! Died seeing the stream, and I’m dying with laughter this video lol
Holy shit this video is a roller coaster, this comedic timing is on point
Based Dom
I've liked Akechi from the moment I knew his was deeply disturbed and a little insane. I find that I 'm drawn to those types of characters a lot and I don't if that's a good or bad thing
I don't think Akechi can have a redemption arc after Royal.
I think Royal IS his redemption arc.
I wouldn't agree. Redemption involves making amends, and Akechi never really did that even in Royal
@@xxProjectJxx Then what do you call joining them to take down Maruki, defeat Lavenza and Jose, and play Tycoon?
@@ModernAegis Wasn't that all cognitive Akechi? So, not really him, just Joker's idealized version of Akechi?
Regardless, none of that really makes amends to the people he's hurt, IMO. It's a start if you're generous, but I don't think he was there to help the Thieves. Maybe just Joker, but not the rest.
@@xxProjectJxx Um, no, it wasn't. There's a small mountain of evidence that that was the real Akechi. A mountain I don't have the energy to carry through the mental gymnastics you have to do to reach the conclusion that Akechi doesn't deserve a second chance.
@@ModernAegis Ok then.
this video was the highlight of my day 😂
Love your persona content as always.
As for Akechi, I definitely can see a redemption/atonement arc for him. I think he has alot of potential going.
Adachi had his own arc in P4U with help fighting Sho, as while not content with the world he would still hold onto his old bonds (while not admitting).
Akechi can similarly atone for what he did while still keeping his distance from the Phantom thieves. Royal definitely did a huge favour for him for his character
As a man I have to confess that I cried playing Trails in the Sky SC (Just don't tell CrystAAHHL this)
Not gonna lie, to see a Akechi returning to the group and seeing how everybody would be not only shocked but also with mixed feelings about it, aspecially Joker, would be very amazing and maybe having him like not wanting to be with the group at first but then you discover that he wants to find a new graps on life and find a way to let his past behind him, but he stil is filled with to much negative emotions that he would accept the groups acception for him. So at first he would help out of the shadows, because he is nearby and just wanna do his part in the most Tsundere way possible ( but not as akward as Morgana did) but slowly getting called out and pulled into the center by Joker and co. with him starting to accept that this could be what his new life can be.
Maybe something of this sort, at least i was kinda hoping for this back then with Persona 5S but oh welp x3 Fanfictions exists for a reason am i right??
I think Akechi can be redeemed but adding him to the group is something I’m not so sure about especially considering Haru and Futaba’s feeling about it. If he were added to the group I’d want them to remind me every single second about the horrible things he did and not let him off easy kinda like Zuko when he joined Aang’s team in avatar. At least then we could see an apologetic Akechi not making excuses for himself and taking the hits as they come and I think he’d be happy with this dynamic since he would be doing it out of his own free will
@@Andrea-rc1gz i can See that x3 yeah kinda that dynamic what i mean, while Makoto and Morgana stay more skeptic but unspoken about it and Ann and Ryuji would be Like "yeah ik he die Bad Things but, Look how many Butts He kicks For us!" And Yusuke would instandly forgive him the Secound Akechi gives him free food or an insperation unwilligly x"D
And Joker i can See all of the above, making Comments about Akechi's sins but also Not caring If He would rejoin and also wanting free food from him x"D or making fun in a diffurent way
The thing is that he knows he is going to die when they defeat Maruki so there's no point.
@@nicholasvalverde1122 No, Wait a Secound and think about it. The Akechi in the third Semester, is the Same as Futaba's Mom and Okumara, Not real. He was Just an Creatin of Joker's Wish He would be still alive so that is Not the real Akechi.
But what If the real Akechi actuelly did survive, let's Just have this One Piece Like Fantasy of a Fake Death, it would give him at least a New Chance in live. And He deserves it i feel Like, He can Change If He wants to.
And there is an deleted Rehab Scene For Akechi so, yeah.
Why does everyone forget Haru and Futaba were open to giving Akechi another chance on the boat? Is it just cause it's not in the 3rd semester?
Man, I wish I didn’t have to admit how much the Taco Bell ring made me laugh at 5:49, props!
5:48 THE TACO BELL BONG I CAN'T
God this was so good your humor and pinoy's editing made this video such a joy to watch, made me chuckle every once and awhile
A: I feel like he can be redeemed but he will probably do it in his own time and away from the phantom thieves like start a new life but always remember the time he had with his fellow teammates and friends
>Remorselessly executes haru’s dad
Personally, I think that Akechi is a bit all over the place, which fits him and is what I think the writers were going for. He's a chaotic mess that's made horrible mistakes in his quest for approval and revenge. But in his heart of hearts, I can't really see him as being purely evil like Adachi which is what I think the phantom Thieves latch on to, including the ones -- especially haru -- that he's wronged. It's a question of whether or not there's hope for him, which towards the end of royal, implies that there is, baggage and all. So I don't think it's wrong to like akechi, or perhaps more accurately, to WANT to like him in spite of his horrible deeds.
But then there's the flip side that can't get past that he indeed murdered a lot of people. But they aren't necessarily wrong to think that either and, interestingly enough, I think that there's a good chance that Akechi would probably side with that side of the argument if he were listening in on this lol.
I do think it does cross a bit of a line when people criticize you for liking a character and finding some empathy within him. He's a purposefully complicated, conflicted, and controversial character even amongst the phantom thieves. They don't forgive him but have hope for him therefore the writers want the audience to feel the same way. So it's not weird or unnatural to feel that way as well.
Anyways, don't know if you or anyone else made it this far, but those are my two cents from someone who just recently no life'd royal and strikers lol..... I have a problem
8:09 so true! The girl my brother was dating from freshman year of highschool until earlier this year was like that. I'm not going into too much detail for the privacy of all parties involved, but her parents weren't great and her when COVID got their senior year it worse where she was bouncing around friends houses to avoid her parents and eventually mom and dad let her stay at our house and she slept in my room.
A lot of stuff happened and she has a lot of mental health issues because of past trauma from a variety of sources, but she seemed to be healing at least a little. She also got really close with me, my other 2 little brothers, and my parents. I still consider her to be like a sister to me. Earlier this year things got worse in ways I'm not gonna specify. My brother is a very loyal person so he was willing to stick it out at first, but she pushed all of us away and did things that hurt all of us. The only one no one has verbally attacked directly yet is me.
Despite everything I still miss her. I really did want to help her and still do. Even though she hurt people I love and lied about my family and that's just not acceptable I still want good things for her. And that's just me, I can't imagine how much it hurt my little brother. I should be angry, but honestly I'm just sad and disappointed in myself even though I did everything I could realistically have done without making my own mental health issues worse. It's just frustrating not being there to help someone you care about because they won't let you be there for them.
The edits were great, I always love watching comment section videos, or twitch bans videos, people are unhindged when watching content.
I don't think Akechi necessarily "can be redeemed" because I think thats a really subjective concept in this instance. I think its fully possible for him to grow as a person and become healthier, and I think its possible he'll go on to do plenty of good, but I'll never expect people like Haru or Futaba to grant him redemption in their eyes. I really like Akechi and Joker's dynamic in royal, I spent so long after beating the game still thinking about it, and I want to see him continue to grow and create bonds that are all his own, but I don't think I as an unaffected third party would ever truly hold the right to say "yes, he is redeemed now."
For your discussion on if Akechi can be redeemed. I think...maybe? But he SHOULDN'T.
I'm someone who doesn't think every good or sympathetic character NEEDS a redemption. And honestly I feel like Akechi himself wouldn't try for any kind of redemption. As we saw in Royal, he kinda just...accepted the path he took in life and the outcome. He was willing to be in jail for his crimes, and even to return to what they assumed was his certain death on his own terms.
So I guess it comes down to what do we mean by "redemption". If its him taking responsibility for his actions, then yeah, and he already did that honestly. If its him surviving and just, trying to live a normal life and move past everything, I dont think he should, nor do I think he would personally WANT to do that.
Thats what I like about him. He's honest with himself. He knows he did terrible things, and was 100% willing to accept punishment for it, whether that be imprisonment or even his death to help the Phantom Thieves actually accomplish what he couldnt.
Ok but can I just say the editing is amazing
I can't get over the editing in this video lmao
4:11 had me wheezing lmaooo
Most of the P5 party join the theives because of wanting to get back at someone.
Akechi is the same, but in an insidiously intelligent way.
He doesn't just want to get back at his dad, but also the society that shaped both himself and his father, and tries to cause as much pain to both as possible.
In his mind, it's a win-win situation: either he completely destroys society as it is, or he dies, and can't be hurt anymore.
But he's voiced by Robbie Dayton, so all is forgiven
I just found this video after only finishing P5 Royal a few weeks ago and as someone who loves Akechi too, I agreed so much with your takes here.
It's crazy how much the fandom is riled up by the idea that you can like a person that does bad things and accuses people who like Akechi of being the kind to date serial killers lol. Or trash talking the AkeShu ship. And they completely gloss over all the context and events surrounding his life and just say he has daddy issues.
It's also super refreshing to find more women in doing RUclips Megaten content! Just about all the ones I found are guys and its so nice to have a female's perspective on it as a woman myself. Keep making cool videos and your editor is really good too!
I mean all adults had circumstances too that led to their actions. If circumstances excuse actions, Kaneshiro and co. should have more fans.
i dont know why but i love characters like Akechi or Majima who just love to be with the player and to be insane
Personally, I feel like the second Goro turned the gun to save the phantom thieves, he opened himself up to redemption. A thing that worries me about him is that he didn't comunicate with joker/Ren when he came back, I'm sure he has his reasons sure, but I kinda worry that the whole "trauma and manipulation by your actual dad" thing might get to him. After royal I realized that I want Akechi to be happy, so the thought of him Falling into a depression of some kind hurts a lot. All I hope is that he manages to recover and reintegrate into society.
(Unrelated note: what type of straight person invites homies into bars, drinks colorful drinks with them and talk about their feelings? Akechi is definitely gay lmfao )
Akechi never *has* to call Joker, someone he supposedly hates, after each date to make sure he got home safe. But he does. No hetero explanation there. :]
Ok but Akechi still murdered so many people including Futabas mother and Harus dad. There's no redemption for a mass murderer.
@@Luna-pk7gz valid point, even if he was manipulated into doing this, that fact does hinder a few things.
@MisterVillain💫 I don't think he deserved a net good. Dude is a mass murderer who enjoyed it all. It's the same shit with people like Kamoshida. People I genuinely think deserve the death penalty or something. They've harmed too many to live.
@@Luna-pk7gz
Dude, Futaba and Haru were fully open to giving Akechi a second chance on the boat, you're holding a harder grudge than the actual characters are, that's not normal lmao
Oh... I'm suddenly in the mood for pancakes.
The goat edit
Editing I’m this video was top notch! I don’t know if Akechi would want to be redeemed. “I don’t deserve your pity” etc etc. Or maybe doesn’t think he deserves redemption or to have a good life. 😢
Nah he definitely deserves to be in prison forever.
I can honestly say I never felt sympathy for Akechi. He showed no remorse for murdering people (the train conductor at the start, Futaba's mother, Haru's father), was a liar and a fake for most of P5/P5R, and even seemed to enjoy killing. Being an orphan wasn't an excuse for what he did, and I have no idea why anyone would even think to make that argument. Akechi's supposed "redemption" in Shido's palace (confronting his shadow self), appeared more like a self-serving way for him to ensure the Phantom Thieves would get to punish Shido, not a way to "save" them for altruistic means.
His re-appearance in the Third Semester and entering Maruki's palace was also seen as a form of redemption for some, but to me it just came off as him being stuck in a "dream" he didn't want to be in, and so again he chose to team up for self-serving reasons. He still showed no remorse for his crimes.
The only reasonable argument I've heard for why people feel bad for him, is that some malevolent god (Yaldaboath) used him in some sick cosmic game (much like he used Joker) from a young age, and that maybe he didn't know he was actually killing people at first.
I'm sure people will call someone with my viewpoint heartless, as much as they'll call people who cried over Akechi too soft or even misguided.
Fair points the only thing i disagree with would be the Shido thing you made sound like that was planned or like another way to trick the phantoms thieves when that “redemption” was more that he learns not to let his hate and need for validation control his actions
I only played vanilla and I never hated Akechi, I also never saw him like someone that could be redeemed, when he leaves the Phantom Thieves I started to come to terms with the reality that he was going to die, because that was, in my point of view, the only way his story could go. I had fun with him making his way in the MCs life, but in my view he was going full on to the point of no return and I was ok with that after a while. As much as it hurts, you can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped.
That being said, I absolutely fell in love with Akechi after watching how much you connected with him and listening to you talk about how much empathy you felt for him. Your love for him made me see him in a whole new light and I am very much grateful for that. I'm glad you got to share a tiny bit of your past experiences and I'm happy you love Akechi and all of the phantom thieves.
Also also, for anyone talking about how he's a MURDERER etc, yeah, he's the absolute terrible, but only people that have been in abusive relationships know what is like to love and want to save someone, and love never ever goes away, it just morphs into something else. Being capable of feeling empathy for someone you can see a light on but at the same time knows isn't going to embrace this light hurts. Also he's NOT REAL and is a VIDEOGAME CHARACTER and is WRITTEN to be likeable, you guys will say you didn't root for walter white now? what's next? saying you guys never laughed watching house md? sherlock holmes? hannibal? dexter? the guy from You? please.
Shout out to seeing homeboy running those dynamic themes on PC and making me realize I can have them now. Platted 2 weeks after release and only ever got one set