Government plan to ‘re-sea’ North Somerset
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- For rewilding on steroids, look at Somerset. The government believes that nuclear power station Hinkley Point will kill 800 acres of fish. It wants owner EDF to offset that by flooding 800 acres of land with sea water. It wants EDF to re-sea the land.
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That statement from EDF in full:
Chris Fayers, Hinkley Point C’s head of environment, said:
Hinkley Point C is working with Natural England, Natural Resources Wales, the Environment Agency, and other conservation bodies to develop new natural habitats to compensate for the risk of any impact on protected fish species. The proposals include creating large areas of saltmarsh, seagrass and kelp, new oyster beds and the removal of barriers in rivers.
New natural habitat is a better solution than an acoustic fish deterrent which would use 280 speakers to make noise louder than a jumbo jet 24-hours a day for 60 years. The system's impact on porpoises, seals, whales, and other species is unknown. It offers a very small potential benefit to protected fish species and would also risk the safety of divers in the fast-flowing tides of the Bristol Channel.
Power stations have been taking cooling water from the Bristol Channel for decades with no significant impact on fish populations. Hinkley Point C will be the first power station in the area to have any fish protection measures in place - including a fish recovery and return system.
Despite scientific evidence that the remaining impact on fish is ‘very small’, the project supports further effective, proportionate, and practical compensation measures.
Resolution of this issue matters. The project is one of Britain’s biggest acts for the environment, built to meet exacting environmental standards. It will make a major contribution to energy security and the fight against climate change.
EDF background information:
The Bristol Channel has the third highest tidal range in the world, with fast flowing water and poor visibility. Engineering studies have shown that installing and maintaining the Acoustic Fish Deterrent poses risks to offshore teams which are unacceptable considering the small and uncertain potential benefit.
Hinkley Point C’s data is based on decades of real data from operating Hinkley Point B and scientific research from the Government marine experts CEFAS.
Fish populations are subject to a range of pressures including commercial fishing. They are also eaten by other fish, birds, porpoises, and seals. Natural mortality can be up to 60% for shoaling species. What is an issue here is the potential impact on protected species.
The total amount of all fish estimated to be killed without the Acoustic Fish Deterrent has been predicted by CEFAS, the government’s marine experts, to be in the range of 18 to 46 tonnes in a year - less than the annual catch of one small fishing vessel.
Acoustic fish deterrents have been used by one other power station in the UK which features close to shore intake structures. The technology has not been tested on offshore intakes networks which stretch further out to sea, such as Hinkley Point C’s.
It was proposed that 288 speakers would make sound at 160db non-stop during the operation of the power station. Noise above 100db is considered "highly hazardous" for humans.
Hinkley Point C’s water intake system includes a fish recovery and return system and low velocity, side entry water intake heads which reduce the risk of fish entering the pipes.
More information can be found here: Fish protection measures | Hinkley Point C | EDF (edfenergy.com)
Responses to the initial consultation are now being considered by HPC before proposals are anticipated to be submitted in Spring 2025. A final determination will be made by the Secretary of State for DESNZ.
Salting farmland is what the Greeks did to their enemies as an act of war/famine
And it is what Blackrock is doing to the NATO countries, a bloodless coup is taking place...
That's where we're heading!! All planned from the World Economic forums agenda 203O with our old king wokey being top boss!!!!
Not only the Greeks
The Romans did it to Carthage@@MariaPalmer-xo8eb
And the British to the Boer farmers in South Africa. And they invented concentration camps.
Reduce the farmland whilst massively increasing the population... central planning in action!
AGENDA 2030!!
Bingo
Crash our economy for the next 30 years because you don't like foreigners, even though you employ them over locals and eradicate the local workforce by using foreign cheap labour for decades, accommodating them in towns made of caravans on your land...check
Shame they are removing any comments to the contrary of what you are saying. Fascists are in control, hopefully for not too much longer though. You guys betrayed us all with Brexit, sssssh now sheep
Nearly as stupid as selfish farmers selling land or renting land out for solar farms for short term gains....
Hypocrite.
When the richest men in the world (who own the government) have made big investments in synthetic lab grown food -the writing is on the wall
All the more reason to buy from local farmers...
We should not allow a foreign company to dictate how our land should be managed. It's bad enough they own our electrical generating system and should never of happened .
It's UK gov policy...
@@EP-bb1rmyes but quite a few foreigners in government
100% agree.
All to subsidise French electricity. Politicians sold us out and it's literally going to take generations to bring this country back to normality.
Say goodbye to your children and grandchildrens future. Is it any wonder people aren't having kids.
Electronic du France, was kicked out of France for legal reasons!? A long time ago...we vote no more nuke power stations! Our gov invites foreign companies to build them anyway!?
Salting land is a weapon of war.
Remarkable how you make an effort to present the actions of large corporations in cahoots with government as 'political correctness' rather than just corruption and profiteering.
There's no difference between the two. Political correctness has always been a psychological weapon used against the common people by governments and corporations for money and power.
Political correctness is corruption. 😂
resulting in Fascism mate!!!
Mr Tractor porn spouting his usual nonsense.
Subtle reframing didn't escape your attention either then! Bless him though, I think it was more of a "It's political correctness gone mad, Stew" kinda moment! 😂
I'm so sick of the governnent just doing things to us on behalf of other people. I'm absolutely sick of it
The former MP, sacked for watch porn in parliament, supported all this when he was in government
Vote Reform tomorrow. It won't solve anything overnight but it's a start.
Little brown envelopes going round an round and under the table, it's time the people rise up an start to take are right back .
Funny how some people think it’s a good idea to flood other peoples land but not in my backyard.
That is disgraceful. They deliberately want to destroy farming .
Literally my back door. Moved here for the nature and local walks. Now this and the EV battery factory right beside it!? So a nuclear power plant and an EV factory in a swamp. Amazing! Feels like I'm living in the Simpsons series. 🙈
OMG...what could go wrong eh!!!
You hit the nail on the head there, a swamp, not really suitable for farmland. But to be fair, nuclear power stations have been operating there since 1965(can’t comment on the number of eyes on the local fish though!)
I was about to buy a place in a valley- then saw the wind tower farms going up. The people voted against it but it was forced on them.
This must be stopped before any such attempt is made.
Who offsets the loss of land?
As an island nation with a growing population, this sets a bit of a worrying precedent.
Chalk rivers are drying up due to over extraction of water so it balances out. Britain will one day be a waterless interior surrounded by salt marshes, wont that be exciting.
@@damionkeeling3103 What we are witnessing is the total Abolition of Mankind.
KJV Genesis 1:14-18, Psalms 82, Genesis 6:1-7, Genesis 11:6-9, Deuteronomy 29:26-27, Numbers 13:32-33, 2 Peter 2:4-5, 1 Enoch 15:1-12, Roslin Chapel - William St. Clair 1446 - Da Vinci Code - 7 miles from Rosslyn Institute within Edinburgh University, Ian Wilmut geneticist - Dolly cloned sheep, and other hybrid animals.......
What the F is happening where the French State get to destroy our Farmland!
It's UK gov policy
@@EP-bb1rm we haven't had a UK government for over 30 years
@@ddoherty5956 Are you okay, hun?
@@EP-bb1rm Not German
WEF behind this.
God save us from the overpaid * advisors * employed by governments
God save us from idiotic government. The Post Office is a perfect example of the incompetence and corruption that all too rarely is challenged.
@@tonychorley4936 Er, the PO isn't part of the government.
The political idiocy that runs our U.K. needs to be chucked out and never used again !
Getting ready for all those bug factories producing yummy roach burgers for the plebs
YOUR AWAKE!!!
Westminster aka giant bug factory!
Yes, and of course the wild nature areas won't be for us but will eventually be just for the ultra wealthy to enjoy! :(
Utter nonsense.
Too many clueless civil servants with not enough to do.
Massive downsizing required.
They need Reforming!
Think again -- i think they know exactly what they are doing - they are doing what their masters tell them.
Former MP that doesn’t want to disclose finances, what a surprise!
Yes, I thought hang on a minute - I wrote to him and it was all god willing and nothing doing here move along.
Funded by taxpayer subsidies.....but won't share any details.....😂😂😂
Why should they disclose their financial details to all and sundry?? I effin' wouldn't!
@@SaxonSuccess because they receive huge amounts of public funding? Any organisation asking for grants usually has to disclose their financial status.
@@SaxonSuccessno when you're claiming 10k a month for some imaginary person to clean your fish pond I don't think you'd dare!
I have worked on a sea water cooled power plant and I can tell you that the collateral damage is utterly horrific !! They should spend money on stopping fish becoming entrained within the colling water suction system (not easy by the way).
What absolute bloody madness!
Not madness all part of creating food shortages
When I did my environmental science degree in the 80s we hotly debated development mitigation strategies. It was clear that ancient habitats and associated ecologies could not simply be replaced somewhere else. In some circumstances translocation and recreation can work but generally its a green wash, tick box exercise to allow developers to do as they like. The environmental movement has been totally captured by the C02 story, so they now look the other way, or cheer on new nuclear and more lithium mining, like in Cornwall, that is about to turn into a battery mine.
"CO2 story".. 95% of scientists agree it's not a "story"... You want to trust the 5% of nutters instead? If the 95% are wrong, we can still dig up the coal and oil later.. If the 5% are wrong, we are talking massive enviromental and economic devastration.. And there is no need to gamble on the 5%...We have alternatives (excluding nuclear) and engery saving measures that can reduce carbon usage to insignificant amounts.
Look at Biggins Wood, a small woodland near Folkestone that was "moved" to make way for the Rail Terminal. Apparently this was partially successful but there is little information on the new wood and I'm not even sure the original wood needed to be removed unless the housing development with the same name is in a different location.
Salting the earth, especially very fertile earth like aomerset's soil, is quite literally a sign of civilisation collapse. Its just usually it's the enemies of the civilisation that do it. .. *glares at own government.
They call it net zero , code for (you will own nothing and be happy)big brother knows best
This is way above Govt level.
2,500 acres of farmland in Wiltshire for 4 metre high solar panels, taking out hedgerows, trees, destroying village life and building roads next to the Fosse Way for heavy duty vehicles. I understand Somerset has also lost against similar plans. Farmers selling out the countryside, food provision and their souls, will get £1,000 per acre, per year, every year. For a 20, 50, 100 or 200+ acre farm, that's a very sizable income and no work to do.
It is so very wrong innit!!!
There are many worse things going on. At least that land won’t be sprayed with fertilisers and pesticides anymore. Honestly, I really can’t fault farmers who would go for this. The thing that I do object to is that these solar farms are often placed in areas with really good soils which should be used to grow crops - why aren’t we putting solar farms on poor quality, degraded or former industrial sites instead, which can’t be used for farming?
twaddle EDF wouldnt be allowed to do it in France
In fact in France no foreign companies are allowed to own any of the utilities companies its totally Illegal
we need a reciprocal law if we cant own electric companies in France then french companies shouldn't be able to own them in England
Fairly sure EDF are doing it because we've told them they must do it as part of an "offset" in order for them to make a profit. No company voluntarily spends millions on environmental schemes -- quite the opposite.
Well we have a chance to change it on the 4th.
@@tompugh388 you really think any of the options represent a chance to change anything ? your really believe one word these politicians say ?
It's only a few years ago that we were welcoming China to build further Atomic power stations. These idiots need to open their eyes.
@@tompugh388 dreaming no public voice has won with any government in uk, without very long expensive public enquiries, and as for legal. Action remember female pension payment case lost,
So representation processes need to staffed by qualifying environmental and eco, personal, ((((accountable .)) to the lands and owners effected ,
Hope this mad project of flooding stops. We shall pray for the farmers and their family.
This is insanity, so sad for all of us, is everyone mad🤷♂️
Working together but not with the locals or land owners !
the Experts know best.
@@brianlopez8855 would they be the same experts around the covid narrative ?
The rest of the world watches Britain and thinks they have lost their mind😂
The whole of Europe, Canada and the US is facing the same invasion and destruction.
The entire world have lost their mind! Its global agenda. Evil agenda
Same happening in the US.
Without wishing to sound too dramatic, what with rewilding, installing solar farms on prime agricultural land, and this, the equivalent of blasting a hole in the bottom of a lifeboat, it appears that the gov agencies really do not care for the island's inhabitants.
Total madness
Boycott the Businesses that come with these ideas
This is awful, these so called green extremists need to be stopped. Support British Farming.
there being used by much smarter people than them to acheive other motives
EDF and a Tory government; GrEeN eXtrEmiSts. You get what you deserve with this kind of idiotic take.
@@MrGhostTube It is more accurate to call them liberal extremists. As someone with a higher education in environment science, I hate “Environmentalists” they are ignorant at best.
Things are going too far now.
EDF are not green extremists, just fyi.
This is incredibly stupid. We already struggle for food grown on the UK. We’ll have to import more food which is really bad for the environment.
All other countries are hoarding their own food for their own populations not exporting it example China. If we have no crops and no way of importing any we’re going to starve. !
Can Westminster and Whitehall be turned back into marsh land?
😁
Westminster IS on reclaimed land. If the Thames floods, it goes.
Well it is already a swamp of sorts.
Yup. It’s seems to be a swamp that breeds idiots.
This is quite an entertaining video, but it doesn't pretend to present all sides of the issue. I don't like the idea of nuclear power, and I hope a few years will see the back of it, so the idea of giving up valuable land which can't be drained again and farmed on in a few decades' time is unattractive.
This is just completely mad. What on Earth are these agencies doing? Infuriating!!
If its so good let them develop in their own countries.
They have, that’s why successive governments have brought them in to build plants for us. It’s just sad that all the power stations that are being replaced were British designed and built.
This is totally mental. 800 acres of sea is nothing. If you divided the sea around the UK into squares 800 acres in size this would be very hard to see on a map of the UK on a computer screen. 800 acres of land is enough for 4 large golf courses or a large farm. The land and sea cannot be equated. Civil servants and MPs in the UK have lost the plot.
It was not thought out its pathetic , we need to produce our own food not relying on other country , When Barkley power station and oldbury power station was built it did not so i understand did not damage the fish stocks , I wish these London people stop interfering with how we farm you have destroyed the farming in this country we will be queuing for a loaf of bread soon if you carry on with this , rewild the sides of the railway tracks thousand of acres there and motorways sides and road sides , parts of all the common land and so on there is thousand of acres of this all over the country before any agriculture land we grow our food on with a increases in population we need food grow here not shipped half way around the world creating more use of fuel and pollution , Put some money into agriculture for all farmers not the big boys , and not birdwatching and natural England , the country side is made by farmers not natural England or environment agency . IT all seems commonsense to me , but someone sat at a desk in central London seems to know better than us here in the country side that have worked it land for generations
How can anyone contemplate flooding farmland when the population of the country has increased by 2*5million over the last few years?.
You must live on ze bugs. They are building big factories.
So they guess they are damaging 800 acres (litres?) of sea, so will damage 800 acres of farmland with salt water to make up for this? Seems to me that is 1,600 acres of damage... will they also be damaging a new 1,600 acres to make up for that? And then 3,600... then 7,200...
More bonkers Eco-facism.
It's easy to attach the word 'fascism' to something, but how is it fascism? Fascism is an extreme form of nationalism based on an (often false) historical narrative with the promotion of traditional values, whilst blaming the problems in society on liberalism. I really don't see what fascism has to do with anything.
@@mattp558The term is certainly appliciable, as the green lobby has much in common as an authoritarian, political ideology and movement aiming to acheive a centralised autocracy, suppression of opposition and subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the world population and strong regimentation of societies and a world economy.
@@dorsetbigcats6292 If all those things are the aim of the green lobby then they are failing massively. If they were half as powerful and controlling as you suggest we wouldn't be faced with the continuing destruction of nature that we see around the world.
I think it's more the case that they are being painted that way by people whose only interest is their personal wealth.
@@dorsetbigcats6292 Somehow you've got the motivation of the green lobby completely wrong. The aim is to return as much wildlife as possible to areas that have lost it - mainly caused by farming!. I don't know the ins and outs of this scheme but if offsetting is involved it may not be replacing like with like but it could help to mitigate the damage.
@@mrsp3992 I can assure you I haven't. As they say 'Everything in its place and place for everything'.
Thank you, a good thing that you are fighting it, power to your elbow, keep on with your oposition.
Take it up with the New Reform party. The nation will support you.
The first problem with this is the word "Offset" if it needs to be "offset" then it shouldn't be done in the first place, the second problem is Hinkley Point. Site A had failed and poorly designed gas circulators, B has been fined for pollution, C has the same reactor as one that has already leaked and it's all connected directly to the sea, with tides "supposed" to be rising and coastal weather more challenging they still decide to run a Nuclear power plant right on the coast.
There is no "sea level rise" :)
@JackFrost008 i will go one better, there is no spoon 🤦♂️
@@Wolfyjinny :) That is true
@@Wolfyjinny are you trying to tell me the "sea level is rising"? when it hasn't changed in 20+ years.
camping every year by the coast. no difference in tide height.
which proves the tides are not rising and coastal weather has always been challenging...always will be...we live 5 minutes walk from the North Sea...we know!!!
Good luck gentlemen
Don´t give them the paperwork they need to take your land off you. If you do you are basically handing them the bullets.
Unbelievable
You're almost there, a little bit further and you'll fully grasp exactly what the plans are for farming and you should be afraid.
There’s a problem with people (political parties) who are in power for 5 or 10 years and have some vested interests when folk like these are there for 50 -100 years . Land management has to have long term not the shortermism of government
I think the problems more Charlie ....
mental
Doing the opposite of the Netherlands who create land from the sea.
Well, we once did, but we're now also "giving land back to the sea" - in lots of places. And if not to the sea, swathes of good farmland (we're a delta!) are used up for wind turbines, solar panel parks, roads, roads and roads (we're 500 ppl / per sq km), city expansions and the dreaded distribution centers (Amazon and the like) and data centers (MS, Google).
Sounds like sabotage
I fully support the Farmers that's why I will be voting reform I really hope they can help you I think is our best chance to save the British farmers which we barely need they're all heroes and deserve a government that helps them vote reform ❤❤❤
Just how much do Farage and Tice know about farming?
Now we have five MP's sitting in Parliament for Reform and that's how you make change.....
This doesn’t sound possible. How did anyone come up with this conclusion. Total madness
" salting the land " is one of the classic historical modes of genocidal destruction.
Country is small enough already without losing more land
Not only are we covering prime farmland in solar panels, or re-wilding it, we're now planning this nonsense. The environmental damage caused by projects of this kind is done. The notion that it can be offset elsewhere is as dishonest as it is bonkers. Still, we'll be able to sit and admire the wildlife as we starve to death for want of anywhere to grow our food.
Environmental damage, caused by rewilding farmland? Yeah, ok.
@@audioaddict5279 No, I'm referring to environmental damage caused by nuclear power plant construction and solar farm installation and the idea that it can somehow be mitigated by re-wilding elsewhere.
We’ll be like the Chinese- eating the wild birds and varmints.
This has to stop
IT'S NOT FOR GOVERNMENTS, WHICH ARE LEGAL FICTIONS, TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DECISIONS.
There's a much larger issue regarding the underlying geology of the site. Bewell.
I question whether EDF and the government (or those that pull there strings) are actually capable of such gross negligence and incompetance to not have forseen this coming? I wonder if they didn't know all along but new if presented earlier would have been refused.
Create the wetlands and then Starmer has us join up with the EU again and you can talk to the nice French fishermen as they trawl along the road side.
Britain needs Reform
From Terence Wise in UK........EDF is not in good shape and could well fail to complete their contract.
I wish we could offset the frigging government.
This is so insane. Who comes up with these ideas.
The WEF's war on the food supply in action. Labour will ensure this madness happens
Once you control the food you control the world. The food shortage with a new bird flu vaccine will be the two latest issues facing us.
Because our overlords do not want to emulate Dutch engineers and then our farming industry.
🤣🤣🤣 they don't want to mess with the Fenlanders we're a rare breed with a lot of viking blood 🤣
You aint gonna do nothin.
@@greenwendal5056 1 copper per 50 square miles we pretty much do whatever we want 🤣
@@ddoherty5956 Glad to hear it👍
Im raging that a foreign entity can dictate what we "need" then, take profit abroad..
I recall my father saying that the warm water coming out of Fawley Refinery into Southampton water was a haven for mussels. Locals wouldn't eat them and they were exported to France (EdF's heartland). Surely, there's an export opportunity here for the fisherman near Hinkley Point?
Ahhhh but don't they only have to wait a few months of global boiling?
So sad to hear about how the people who live and work in affected areas are treated.
Just be careful how you report things, im a farmer who is on your side here but i also have a degree in environmental science and the sciences have absolutely nothing to do with poor government policy
“Neil Parish voted in favour of laws enabling the government to direct funds from electricity consumers, via electricity suppliers, to help pay for, and encourage private investment in, new nuclear power stations.” a quote from TheyWorkForYou - summary of his voting record in parliament.
Remember a "hungry" population is a compliant one.
"Stay in your 15 minute city and the (nanny) state will bring you everything you need", says those who wish to control our every action.
Conspiracy theory? Ask me in a couple of years.
@sisyphussapprentice8976
I'd say a hungry population is an angry population and something Govt. should be worried about. That's why the ancient Romans provided bread and circuses.
15 minute cities being some conspiracy theory is the daftest thing I've heard in a long time. You sound like this: "O no I have schools, shops, doctors etc nearby, o no the Illuminati are controlling my life".
FROM THE DISGUSTING HENRY KISSINGER!!!
Safe&Effective👍🇬🇧😚
4 Generations of farmers, with a birthright to the land. Yet they cant kick squatters out of a pub after its been closed for 2 weeks
WEF in action, wake up!
I think you’ll find that this is West Somerset, not North Somerset.
Could this be EDF (a French owned company) trying to ramp up the fish population for the French fishing fleet ?
I certainly isn't for the UK's benefit
why? does this prove unequivocally that they are all mad?
Why does Hinckley Point kill acres of fish. Why is this not an issue at any other Nuclear Power station? Is this part of the drive to turn the public against having reliable energy. If there is an issue with warm water pumping into the sea then it is an engerneering problem to solve - it's not difficult. There are two drivers here: one the deindustrialise energy and the deindustrialize food production. Both are in full swing across the devolped world.
"We contend that the position of the nuclear promoters is preposterous beyond the wildest imaginings of most nuclear opponents, primarily because one of the purported 'benefits' of nuclear power, the availability of cheap and abundant energy, is in fact a liability." Paul Ehrlich
Absolutely crazy, but i am not surprised.
Subscribed because I want to hear what happens next .
Too many people in charge who haven't got the foggiest clue what they're talking about. Career politicians are the bane of the country!
You didnt post the link for the beef boxes...
Over hundreds of thousands of years, smart meat-eating men discovered how to reclaim land, save land from sea tides, and river flooding and turn it into farmland. That farmland grew beef and grain to feed more people. Hence the success of the country to become a powerhouse.
If they flood this with salt water they will undo thousands of years of years of progress of Man.
exactly the point cathy!!!
Absolutely barking, this is a fine example why the UK is going down the pan.
Going.. it’s already there
This happened to a place here-- flooded a river plain with sea water to make a salt marsh, carved channels through it. For the birds. Goodbye to the dairy cattle.
I don't think this was a particularly balanced piece of journalism but at least it's highlighting the issues facing landowners and conservationists as they try to do their jobs.
Vote REFORM UK!
Yep 👍
FFS 🤮
@@audioaddict5279 No need for that bootlicker😀
Why?
@@beverleygreene7417 lower tax.
I believe this was the option they went for when they decided having some kind of sonic device to keep fish out of the cooling system was too expensive.
Remember who taking the fish stocks the french so it’s in there interest to keep stocks up
This is insanity
Needs fighting this
Like up here on the fylde .a Bristol guy passed planning for houses on green belt .😡😡😡
Government, if we can stupid, then we do stupid, then we regulate it so sensible people have to stupid too.
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