So if Hafs was a liar in the transmission of the hadith then he is a liar in the transmission of the quran. And yet you follow the Hafs quran, although it is the transmission of a liar. So you quran is false.
So if Hafs was a liar in the transmission of the hadith then he is a liar in the transmission of the quran. And yet you follow the Hafs quran, although it is the transmission of a liar. So you quran is false.
@mjr2168 Hafs simply wasn't interested in riwayaatul Hadeeth, only Quran. That's why he was Da'eef in Hadeeth and Thiqah in the Quran. No one in the field of jarh wa ta'deel called him a liar.
Handled absolutely beautifully by Br Muhammad, the way he broke down his point about the people relaying the Hadith to us are the same people that gave us the Qur’an. May Allah be pleased with them.
So if Hafs was a liar in the transmission of the hadith then he is a liar in the transmission of the quran. And yet you follow the Hafs quran, although it is the transmission of a liar. So you quran is false.
@@fedesetrtatio1 basic Christian argument rinsed and repeated for the past like 5 years which has been slaughtered and tossed in the trash…it’s so annoying, Christian’s are stuck on repeat.
wrong example --- the quran was written down and memorised in the life time of the prophet and then compiled in the form available to us even today by the khulafa and the sahabi immediately after the death of the prophet . by the khalifa usmans time the quran was standardised , wen most all the importantt sahabi who hd memorised the quran or written it down were alive . the standardisation occurred by their joint collaboration . this is further attested by the quran wen it says it will be preserved for all time to come . in the case of the ahadees this is not the case . FOR THE FIRST NEARLY 200 YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF THE PROPHET , THESE AHADEES WERE NOT COMPILED . INFACT SOME KHALIFA'S APPOSED THEIR COMPILATION . AND THEIR ARE STATEMENTS OF THE KHALIF UMAR WHO EVEN DESTROYED SOME OF THE AHADEES IN THEIR POSSESSIONS . IT WAS ABOVE 200 YEARS LATER THAT BUKHARI , MUSLIM AND OTHERS STARTED COMPILING AHADEES FROM SECONDARY SOURCES --- THE OFSPRINGS , RELATIVES AND COMPANIONS OF THE SAHABI --- SAHABI WHO HAD LIVED IN THE TIME OF THE PROPHET AND WHO WERE LONG DEAD NOW . OF COURSE STRINGENT METHODS WERE USED BY THE AHADEES COMPILERS TO SIFT THROUGH ALL THE AVAILABLE VERBAL AHADEES IN CIRCULATION AMMONGST THE FOLLOWERS OF THE SAID SAHABI . BUT HOW CAN YOU BE SURE THAT ALL THAT WAS THUS TRANSMITTED WAS ACCURATE PER SE ? THIS IS THE VERY QUESTION THAT IS RAISED ABOUT THE BIBLE . WHO WROTE IT AND HOW MANY 100 YEARS AFTER THE PROPHET EASAH WAS LONG DEAD . THE NARATIONS ARE NOT FROM THE SAHABI OF HAZRAT EASAH NOR EVEN OF THEIR COMPANIONS . THT IS WHY , AS AHMED DEEDAT SAYS WE CAN SAY THERE ARE SOME WORDS OF GO -- THERE ARE SOME WORDS OF THE PROPHET EASAH , AND THERE ARE WORS OF THE HISTORIAN AND THEN THERE IS A LOT OF GOSSIP ALSO IN THE BIBLE .
Dawan seems sincere and open to learning. In shā Allāh after a bit of studying he will realize that Mohammad is right and correct his views 🤲🏼. May Allāh guide us all.
@@riddikulus1432 I think he was really trying to justify his beliefs sincerely but couldn't so yes he was sincere in that general sense. I also hope he thinks on it more and corrects his views.
Brother Mohammad you are a pleasure to watch, please keep these videos coming as they can teach us all soo much. Please dnt feel disheartened when people cannot simply understand and are ignorant whether on purpose or not.
The way the brother protects God's word in terms of accuracy is the straight way in my opinion. One has to call out misquoting the Quran. May Allah grant the brother jannah.
Mohammed Ali masha'Allah is really coming into his own these days. Coming to the fore of British dawah. The way he has developed into a top-notch da'3ee is really impressive. May Allah reward his efforts.
Muslim brothers are doing a great job spreading the Truth. I would love to meet brother Muhammad, Hijab, Hashim, Hamza, Abbas, Dr Imran, Mansoor and the others. May Allah SWT bless them all
M.ALI Bringing a point over in a beautiful and respected way You win the argument, but I'm sure you made him rhing and not make an enemy. Your reasoning .. Reference.. Conclusions .. Is brilliant May Allah swa bless you to continue the work of da'wah for many more years InshaAllah From Mogamat, Kaapstad,, Suid Afrika, Afrika. cuotm
Is very hard to not laugh when we heard the contradictions. Muhammad ali is good example of giving dawah. He respect opponents argument so much, thats why he didnt laugh when he heard the contradictions.
It's a good thing to read the quran 4 times, but it's not enough to understand and absorb the message. It takes a long time and a lot of hard work to do that. I clearly see that this brother needs more work in this matter.
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
Good lesson to him by Bro Mohammad Ali... The revelation not only reveal QURAN TO PROPHET MOHAMMAD.... Olso interpration, wisdom about what Quran... That inside what Prophet spoke or lead by example (Hadith).. Allah Himself spoken about that in An Najm 53:3-4.
So if Hafs was a liar in the transmission of the hadith then he is a liar in the transmission of the quran. And yet you follow the Hafs quran, although it is the transmission of a liar. So you quran is false.
He is a hadees rejecter but Brother Muhammad Ali didn't even said one's that you are a hadees rejecter but yet proved him that you are a hadees rejecter. What a brilliant way✌️✌️
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
@@mrexpress8002 because you are ignorant about who are hadees rejecter. That's why you think he is muslim. I'm not cursing him or using any abusive words I'm just saying he is a hadees rejecter who tryna act he is not.
@@TariqSalymAziz You come across has a very angry man. The man has genuine questions regarding the quran and the hadith and you mock him. Shame on you. Listen to the arguments and show some respect.
@@mrexpress8002 I'm not disrespectful at I'm just saying he is hiding his identity. He is a hadees rejecter. It's so visible. You only need common sense to understand his concept. I guess you lack common sense. Pls work on it!
May Allah (Subhanahu wa-ta'ala) bless brother Muhammad ali with all that's good in the world, wallahi he is a very good da'ee of Islam with very good manner of dawa May Allah (Subhanahu wa-ta'ala) bless all our da'ee brother's and sister's in the speakers corner and around the world WHO are there to clarify and rectify any misconceptions about Islam and it's teaching May Allah (Subhanahu wa-ta'ala) increase's their knowledge to make the word of Allah (Subhanahu wa-ta'ala) the highest 🤲 Stay blessed and stay safe ❤️
Alhamdulillah that Allah has guided us and given us clarity in our thought. I’m astonished how some can disregard the Sunnah on the basis of fallibility of the shahaba who are the very same people that transmitted the Quran we have today! It reminds me of the how Christians get view the Trinity without understanding the absurdity of their arguments.
Valid Question. Simple explanation. Read about the life and practice of Imam Muslim and Imam Bukhari, who narrated the Sahi Hadith. Extreme care was taken to get exact narrations and honest chains of narration. The process of evidence and personal character criteria were very strict.
Beautiful thing about Br. Mohammed Ali is that he himself would've never worded the title of this video such as you have. He is not only extremely knowledgeable but even more humble.
O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. :An Nisha verse 59
The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance - Albert Einstein. May Allah protect us and help us erase every inch of arrogance in our hearts.
This young brother consistently impresses me. ما شاء الله The “Qur’anists” are yet another deviant sect. May Allah keep us upon the Qur’an, the Sunnah and the example of righteous early generations.
Thanks brother Muhammad, you gave him a lecture which exposes his ignorance... Is he a real Muslim!!! I doubted very much .. He doesn't know even what Hadith is ?? You clarified everything thing to him in a very wise and simple terms that make even a child understand, but he still rejeceds it arrogantly ... ((( You never guide whom you love , but Allah will guide whomever he wants ))) .. Thanks to Allah for the grace of Islam and for guiding us to it ..
Slm Brother A excellent point Links would make it easier to follow M.Ali, brilliant, lot of patience, explains in a very humble manner,. .. a request to M.Ali, recite a piece of Quran as part of discussions, will add a value.respect to the end of debate.discussions, a special touch. Wslms Mogamat, Kaapstad, Suid Afrika, Africa. cuotm.
@@mrexpress8002 he is the most insincere "Muslim" i have seen in a long while, he behaves almost like the christians. Arrogance, misrepresentations, sometimes resorting to lies were all on display on this brother Dawan and these are the kinds of people we need to be the most careful of than even non muslims
@@isahibrahim7414 you show arrogance. the brother is a muslim. Every muslim is at a different stage. some more religious and some less. some with more knowledge and some with less. The Quran teaches us to question and debate. You should be less dismissive.
@@mrexpress8002 you see arrogance in my calling out his lies, misrepresentations, misquoting the Qur'an and INSISTING he's right, rejecting explanations by brother Mohammed Ali on the verses he's misquoting, and don't see the arrogance on his part when through the entirety of this conversation he never once agreed he was wrong.... Qur'an teaches to question and debate but if you know what a debate is, you'd know they require facts, not just opinions and all the brother had was opinions
If every detail put in Quran, Quran will be like 10 storey thick book! Thats why we need Hadith to explain what Quran is saying. Quran is like high level understanding. To get the details, we go to Hadith
Let's say :: gets educated Gets enlightened Gets taught Instead of gets schooled Let's not make it a competition..let's make it a lesson for everyone to,, learn looking at from the competition prospective won't be aiming for learning. Just my opinion
By the way I respect so much brother Muhammad Ali, I learn all lot from him, and as Muslim I agree with 99% of what he says and teaches. It not a big issue if we don't agree on the rest.
al-Kahf (The Cave) verse 54. We have surely set forth in this Quran every ˹kind of˺ lesson for people, but humankind is the most argumentative of all beings.
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allaah said: “Do not write anything from me; whoever has written anything from me other than the Qur’aan, let him erase it and narrate from me, for there is nothing wrong with that.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa’l-Raqaa’iq, 5326)
As a Muslim, I only accept Hadiths that do not contradict the Quran. If the Hadith is in line with Quran, then I accept. I totally agree with brother who is shorter.
@@allawi4605 A Hadith must always align with the holy Quran. In other words, a Hadith must reflect the teaching of the holy Quran.The holy Quran-words of Allah, the Creator of all things- is the basis of a Muslim’s belief. Essentially, a Hadith cannot replace the Quran. Mind you, there so many unauthenticated Hadiths out there. They are fake Hadiths. May Allah protect Muslims against fabricated Hadiths. Aamiin!
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
Never, never, never attempt to quote Qur’an in front of Hafidh'ul Qur’an, and then also try to attempt tafseer of what you don't obviously know. And on top of that, reject hadith! "Obey Allah (SWT), and obey Rasullah!" = Qur’an & Sunnah (hadith), & Hadith Qudsi.
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
i envy this guy he reads the quraan 4 times and he really understands it and i bet 5th time reading he will be waiting for prophet hood to descend on him ,,,,,,,subhanullah we have lost count of reading the quraan and we still cant muster the courage to interpret the ayaats to our whims
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
Its odd when you’re adamant on the truth behind a Quraniyun ideology and misquoting the only scripture you deemed is the only truth. May Allah guide us all.
If you don't know the full extent of what you are quoting or talking about and also keep say you don't know fully what you are arguing about why not just listen and learn from someone who is giving you a logical answer with references then go back and study if this guy is right or wrong! Ma Sha Allah Muhammed has great patience, my blood was boiling at this misguided brothers arrogance and ignorance.
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
I am not a Quranist or anything like that. But his argument was I think there are hadiths that could never have been uttered by the prophet or a certain action done by the prophet. And that's true, there are hadiths like that.
To simplify the argument is like this; -Ali overheard Dawan, most likely misunderstood him. -Ali ask Dawan his position, he only accept hadith and sunnah in agreement with the Quran. Which either means; 1)any hadith and sunnah that may seem to have reliable source but contradicts the Quran is automatically rejected. 2)he ONLY accept hadith and sunnah both appear or mentioned in or by the Quran. 3)he basically accept hadith and sunnah word per word similar to the Quran. -Ali chose number 2, Dawan number 1. Thus, both position was not properly address. -Ali imply that Dawan is basically rejecting the hadith. He said hadith disagreement with the Quran is neutral. (Wrong choice of words, should have been hadith not mentioned by the Quran like how to pray etc. Hadith not in disagreement means a contradiction like something haram became halal) -Dawan trying to explain his position and brought up the Quran regarding Prophet Musa but the info was false. The intention was merely an example from a layman. (His mistake, should've been a simple clarification of his stand) -Ali who wouldn't let it slide was very strict when bringing up the Quran accuracy. -Dawan explaining his position but failed again. -Ali making a strawman argument that if the Quran exist such a statement, hadith with the similar statement is useless. -Dawan trying to explain his position that man are fallible. Actually trying to explain the weak and fabricated hadith. -Ali generalising Dawan meant ALL hadith. Then ask why didn't he reject the Quran. Absolute strawman. -Dawan failed miserably again explaining how the Quran is preserved, maybe trying to give a rush answer or simply being a layman. -Ali generalising again that the same method of preservation of the Quran via men is the same as the hadith. (I know that he knows this statement is partly false and I don't know why he is using it) and he is stating the sahih hadith only while Dawan is actually thinking of the weak and fabricated hadith. After this I just can't bare watching it anymore since both party are not clear of each other positions.
You clearly have either misunderstood what Ali was trying to say, which is this; If you reject some hadith because the people who transmitted the hadith are fallible, the Quran is transmitted to us in the same method. So on what basis do you accept one and reject the other?
@@mohamedmiah3325 what you mentioned was one part of the whole argument, not the actual argument. So look back at what I wrote while playing the video in the background..
SubhanAllah. He's saying it's an assumption that the same people brought us the Qur'an in terms of preservation as the hadith. If it's an assumption can he name who it was? If he doesn't know that's even worse....it's pure BLIND faith because he is saying effectively he has no idea who the people are.
Muslims is the one going around saying need Hadith for deeper explanation from the Quran , but Ali don’t get it. It is not useless but need to be explained.
I am with the guy on the left.. sfor example Surah 66 verse 1 and 2.. Quran do not tell any details about the incident but we find in detail what the incident was..
Muhammad Ali is wrong on that qibla arguement' Allah is simply saying: He made the command for the people of the previous' in their books to face a different qibla' that commandment never given to Prophet Muhammad-pbuh' to directly order non of his followers to directly face that previous qibla' Allah is only given our Prophet Muhammad-pbuh' the notion of that past information! Yes and of course that previous qibla' was Al Aqsa
Can't believe grown Ups can be that level of childish to b on his point !!!!😅👍 Ali rightly caught his intentions on rejecting hadits at the end of part 2 !!!!😅😅😅👍 This video only showed me that Ali has immense patience !!!!😅😅😅😅
What a brilliant brother Mohammed Ali is . Impressed listening to him for the first time. May Allah increase him in Emaan and knowledge.
Please clarify to me what is the and argument here.. I think you all are greatly confused here.
So if Hafs was a liar in the transmission of the hadith then he is a liar in the transmission of the quran. And yet you follow the Hafs quran, although it is the transmission of a liar. So you quran is false.
Yes masha'allah Muhammad ali is a great to listen to
Say ما شاء الله or تبارك الله
What brilliance was he arrogant and shallow. And look at the title the guy never claimed himself hadeeth rejector.
“Imagine that you are quoting from Allah Azzawajal wrongly”.. powerful statement.
So if Hafs was a liar in the transmission of the hadith then he is a liar in the transmission of the quran. And yet you follow the Hafs quran, although it is the transmission of a liar. So you quran is false.
@@fedesetrtatio1 no you are a liar
@@fedesetrtatio1 The adults are talking. Hush.
@mjr2168 Hafs simply wasn't interested in riwayaatul Hadeeth, only Quran. That's why he was Da'eef in Hadeeth and Thiqah in the Quran. No one in the field of jarh wa ta'deel called him a liar.
Handled absolutely beautifully by Br Muhammad, the way he broke down his point about the people relaying the Hadith to us are the same people that gave us the Qur’an. May Allah be pleased with them.
Exactly.
Ok clarify the argument here..
So if Hafs was a liar in the transmission of the hadith then he is a liar in the transmission of the quran. And yet you follow the Hafs quran, although it is the transmission of a liar. So you quran is false.
@@fedesetrtatio1 basic Christian argument rinsed and repeated for the past like 5 years which has been slaughtered and tossed in the trash…it’s so annoying, Christian’s are stuck on repeat.
wrong example --- the quran was written down and memorised in the life time of the prophet and then compiled in the form available to us even today by the khulafa and the sahabi immediately after the death of the prophet . by the khalifa usmans time the quran was standardised , wen most all the importantt sahabi who hd memorised the quran or written it down were alive . the standardisation occurred by their joint collaboration . this is further attested by the quran wen it says it will be preserved for all time to come .
in the case of the ahadees this is not the case .
FOR THE FIRST NEARLY 200 YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF THE PROPHET , THESE AHADEES WERE NOT COMPILED . INFACT SOME KHALIFA'S APPOSED THEIR COMPILATION . AND THEIR ARE STATEMENTS OF THE KHALIF UMAR WHO EVEN DESTROYED SOME OF THE AHADEES IN THEIR POSSESSIONS .
IT WAS ABOVE 200 YEARS LATER THAT BUKHARI , MUSLIM AND OTHERS STARTED COMPILING AHADEES FROM SECONDARY SOURCES --- THE OFSPRINGS , RELATIVES AND COMPANIONS OF THE SAHABI --- SAHABI WHO HAD LIVED IN THE TIME OF THE PROPHET AND WHO WERE LONG DEAD NOW .
OF COURSE STRINGENT METHODS WERE USED BY THE AHADEES COMPILERS TO SIFT THROUGH ALL THE AVAILABLE VERBAL AHADEES IN CIRCULATION AMMONGST THE FOLLOWERS OF THE SAID SAHABI .
BUT
HOW CAN YOU BE SURE THAT ALL THAT WAS THUS TRANSMITTED WAS ACCURATE PER SE ?
THIS IS THE VERY QUESTION THAT IS RAISED ABOUT THE BIBLE . WHO WROTE IT AND HOW MANY 100 YEARS AFTER THE PROPHET EASAH WAS LONG DEAD . THE NARATIONS ARE NOT FROM THE SAHABI OF HAZRAT EASAH NOR EVEN OF THEIR COMPANIONS . THT IS WHY , AS AHMED DEEDAT SAYS WE CAN SAY THERE ARE SOME WORDS OF GO -- THERE ARE SOME WORDS OF THE PROPHET EASAH , AND THERE ARE WORS OF THE HISTORIAN AND THEN THERE IS A LOT OF GOSSIP ALSO IN THE BIBLE .
Caught red handed good job brother Muhammad
Ok clarify the argument here.
Dawan seems sincere and open to learning. In shā Allāh after a bit of studying he will realize that Mohammad is right and correct his views 🤲🏼. May Allāh guide us all.
he is sincere? and open to Learning?
lol
from which sec or min on this video, you get this point from?
lolll
@@riddikulus1432 I think he was really trying to justify his beliefs sincerely but couldn't so yes he was sincere in that general sense. I also hope he thinks on it more and corrects his views.
Mashallah, you control ur emotions without even trying. May Allah increase you in knowledge and imaan !!
Br Muhammed is always clear and precise , masha Allah
Daman probably didn’t realise he was talking to a hafiz
Mohammed Ali is truly a 💎
May Allah bless him and us.
May Allah elevate the status of Brother Muhamed Ali in dunya and Akirah and increase his knowledge
May Allah bless brother Muhammad and increase him in knowledge.. Love from the Gambia
Brother Mohammad you are a pleasure to watch, please keep these videos coming as they can teach us all soo much.
Please dnt feel disheartened when people cannot simply understand and are ignorant whether on purpose or not.
The way the brother protects God's word in terms of accuracy is the straight way in my opinion. One has to call out misquoting the Quran. May Allah grant the brother jannah.
Mohammed Ali masha'Allah is really coming into his own these days. Coming to the fore of British dawah. The way he has developed into a top-notch da'3ee is really impressive.
May Allah reward his efforts.
Ignorance is a very dangerous status to be in. May Allah swt giude the ummah towards the straight path. 😔
It's always a pleasure to listen bro. Mohammad.
Muslim brothers are doing a great job spreading the Truth. I would love to meet brother Muhammad, Hijab, Hashim, Hamza, Abbas, Dr Imran, Mansoor and the others.
May Allah SWT bless them all
Hats off to MA
Mashallah! The level of patience of this bro Mohammad Ali in not laughing at that guy when he miss quote the Quran is admirable !
M.ALI
Bringing a point over in a beautiful and respected way
You win the argument, but I'm sure you made him rhing and not make an enemy.
Your reasoning ..
Reference..
Conclusions ..
Is brilliant
May Allah swa bless you to continue the work of da'wah for many more years InshaAllah
From Mogamat, Kaapstad,, Suid Afrika, Afrika. cuotm
Is very hard to not laugh when we heard the contradictions. Muhammad ali is good example of giving dawah. He respect opponents argument so much, thats why he didnt laugh when he heard the contradictions.
سبحان الله
الحمد لله
لا إله إلا الله
الله أكبر
Masha'allah
Masha'Allah
My God protect you
Very nice video
Thank you
Jazak Allah khier
It's a good thing to read the quran 4 times, but it's not enough to understand and absorb the message. It takes a long time and a lot of hard work to do that. I clearly see that this brother needs more work in this matter.
He gets emotional when he can’t answer questions. May Allah swt guide him.
With respect this is emotion Vs logic. May Allah bless brother Muhammad and guide this brother.
@@la3la3laa.3a2isha I was wondering the same thing
Ameen
@@la3la3laa.3a2isha no doubt Mohammed is using logic!
la ilaha illa anta Subhanaka inni kunti minazzalimeen ( if u say this in dua it gets accepted)
SAW(don't forget durood)
Ameen
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
Good lesson to him by Bro Mohammad Ali... The revelation not only reveal QURAN TO PROPHET MOHAMMAD.... Olso interpration, wisdom about what Quran... That inside what Prophet spoke or lead by example (Hadith).. Allah Himself spoken about that in An Najm 53:3-4.
Where have u been brother Mohammad!!! 🥰❤️ we missed u Alhamdulillah
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So if Hafs was a liar in the transmission of the hadith then he is a liar in the transmission of the quran. And yet you follow the Hafs quran, although it is the transmission of a liar. So you quran is false.
He is a hadees rejecter but Brother Muhammad Ali didn't even said one's that you are a hadees rejecter but yet proved him that you are a hadees rejecter.
What a brilliant way✌️✌️
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
@@mrexpress8002 because you are ignorant about who are hadees rejecter. That's why you think he is muslim. I'm not cursing him or using any abusive words I'm just saying he is a hadees rejecter who tryna act he is not.
@@TariqSalymAziz You come across has a very angry man. The man has genuine questions regarding the quran and the hadith and you mock him. Shame on you. Listen to the arguments and show some respect.
@@mrexpress8002 I'm not disrespectful at I'm just saying he is hiding his identity. He is a hadees rejecter. It's so visible. You only need common sense to understand his concept. I guess you lack common sense. Pls work on it!
May Allah (Subhanahu wa-ta'ala) bless brother Muhammad ali with all that's good in the world, wallahi he is a very good da'ee of Islam with very good manner of dawa
May Allah (Subhanahu wa-ta'ala) bless all our da'ee brother's and sister's in the speakers corner and around the world WHO are there to clarify and rectify any misconceptions about Islam and it's teaching
May Allah (Subhanahu wa-ta'ala) increase's their knowledge to make the word of Allah (Subhanahu wa-ta'ala) the highest 🤲
Stay blessed and stay safe ❤️
Alhamdulillah that Allah has guided us and given us clarity in our thought. I’m astonished how some can disregard the Sunnah on the basis of fallibility of the shahaba who are the very same people that transmitted the Quran we have today! It reminds me of the how Christians get view the Trinity without understanding the absurdity of their arguments.
Assamuailkum bro you are doing excellent work May Allah grant you a lot of patience
Valid Question. Simple explanation.
Read about the life and practice of Imam Muslim and Imam Bukhari, who narrated the Sahi Hadith.
Extreme care was taken to get exact narrations and honest chains of narration.
The process of evidence and personal character criteria were very strict.
Great way of showing the evidence by brother Muhammed Ali
Brother Muhammad Ali was a bit harsh, i did not expect him to be this way.
JazakAllah khair brother Mohammad Ali
Beautiful thing about Br. Mohammed Ali is that he himself would've never worded the title of this video such as you have. He is not only extremely knowledgeable but even more humble.
O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. :An Nisha verse 59
The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance - Albert Einstein.
May Allah protect us and help us erase every inch of arrogance in our hearts.
la ilaha illa anta Subhanaka inni kunti minazzalimeen ( if u say this in dua it gets accepted)
SAW(don't forget durood)
Ameen
This young brother consistently impresses me. ما شاء الله
The “Qur’anists” are yet another deviant sect. May Allah keep us upon the Qur’an, the Sunnah and the example of righteous early generations.
Nice to see Muhammad Ali after a long time. Kind of a brother.
Thanks brother Muhammad, you gave him a lecture which exposes his ignorance... Is he a real Muslim!!! I doubted very much .. He doesn't know even what Hadith is ??
You clarified everything thing to him in a very wise and simple terms that make even a child understand, but he still rejeceds it arrogantly ...
((( You never guide whom you love , but Allah will guide whomever he wants ))) ..
Thanks to Allah for the grace of Islam and for guiding us to it ..
The level of patience
I don't understand why can't he acknowledge he got it wrong, instead of being defensive? Such dishonesty and cowardness.
Brother please start putting links to “Part 2, Part 3” etc. in the description so it becomes more convenient to watch the whole videos
Slm Brother
A excellent point
Links would make it easier to follow
M.Ali, brilliant, lot of patience, explains in a very humble manner,.
.. a request to M.Ali, recite a piece of Quran as part of discussions, will add a value.respect to the end of debate.discussions, a special touch.
Wslms
Mogamat, Kaapstad, Suid Afrika, Africa. cuotm.
Happy that he's back
What a waffler. Hamza would've gone mad 😂
@@la3la3laa.3a2isha
Go buy your medicine.
@@la3la3laa.3a2isha
All psychotic people do. Congratz 👍🏼
@Pull out the lapel
Believe me, you don't need arabic knowledge against hadith rejection. The Quran is quite clear about the issue.
@@la3la3laa.3a2isha
We were talking about the understanding of arabic, not the ability to read. Why haven't you gotten your medicine yet?
@Pull out the lapel
That's would've been a good point, if the tafaseer and the aqwaal of scholars wouldnt have been translated also.
May Allah protect the brother Ali
la ilaha illa anta Subhanaka inni kunti minazzalimeen ( if u say this in dua it gets accepted)
SAW(don't forget durood)
Ameen
That moment of silence in 15:08 says it all😂
Mohammed Ali the next great Muslim Brother of this era.
Part 2 please, the hole is digged and I want to see the funeral 😂
May Allah be pleased with this brother
Hahahaha! May Allah SWT Guide him.
Ok clarify the argument here.
@@Md.Kamarussalihin 🙂
he let not once correct himself how much deluded he is... May Allah swt guide him...
he is a muslim you cannot be disrespectful brother.
@@mrexpress8002 he is the most insincere "Muslim" i have seen in a long while, he behaves almost like the christians. Arrogance, misrepresentations, sometimes resorting to lies were all on display on this brother Dawan and these are the kinds of people we need to be the most careful of than even non muslims
@@isahibrahim7414 you show arrogance. the brother is a muslim. Every muslim is at a different stage. some more religious and some less. some with more knowledge and some with less. The Quran teaches us to question and debate. You should be less dismissive.
@@mrexpress8002 you see arrogance in my calling out his lies, misrepresentations, misquoting the Qur'an and INSISTING he's right, rejecting explanations by brother Mohammed Ali on the verses he's misquoting, and don't see the arrogance on his part when through the entirety of this conversation he never once agreed he was wrong.... Qur'an teaches to question and debate but if you know what a debate is, you'd know they require facts, not just opinions and all the brother had was opinions
@@isahibrahim7414 You do not choose who is a muslim or not. On the day of judgement Allah will decide.
SubhanAllah, we humiliate ourselves when we talk so confidently while being utterly ignorant.
If every detail put in Quran, Quran will be like 10 storey thick book!
Thats why we need Hadith to explain what Quran is saying.
Quran is like high level understanding. To get the details, we go to Hadith
I agree with the visitor, Ali looks like someone who wants to be clever and digging holes! Subhan Allah.
Let's say :: gets educated
Gets enlightened
Gets taught
Instead of gets schooled
Let's not make it a competition..let's make it a lesson for everyone to,, learn looking at from the competition prospective won't be aiming for learning.
Just my opinion
By the way I respect so much brother Muhammad Ali, I learn all lot from him, and as Muslim I agree with 99% of what he says and teaches. It not a big issue if we don't agree on the rest.
la ilaha illa anta Subhanaka inni kunti minazzalimeen ( if u say this in dua it gets accepted)
SAW(don't forget durood)
Ameen
Truth bomb let to a stunned silence here 15:03 (crickets chirping)
al-Kahf (The Cave) verse 54. We have surely set forth in this Quran every ˹kind of˺ lesson for people, but humankind is the most argumentative of all beings.
wallah i'm so impressed by your patience. May allah give you more strength. and i can't believe how stupid and ignorant the other guy was
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allaah said: “Do not write anything from me; whoever has written anything from me other than the Qur’aan, let him erase it and narrate from me, for there is nothing wrong with that.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa’l-Raqaa’iq, 5326)
I'm lost for words!
Visitor talking nonsense he think his smart, but can't go anywhere! he need a lesson! Brother Muhammed Ali so brilliant !
still a very good conversation
i remember years ago, Muhammad Hijab has a discussion on this same issue with the same approach. it feels like deja vu
As a Muslim, I only accept Hadiths that do not contradict the Quran. If the Hadith is in line with Quran, then I accept. I totally agree with brother who is shorter.
But what if the hadith does not contradict the quran but does not line with the quran ?
@@allawi4605 A Hadith must always align with the holy Quran. In other words, a Hadith must reflect the teaching of the holy Quran.The holy Quran-words of Allah, the Creator of all things- is the basis of a Muslim’s belief. Essentially, a Hadith cannot replace the Quran.
Mind you, there so many unauthenticated Hadiths out there. They are fake Hadiths. May Allah protect Muslims against fabricated Hadiths. Aamiin!
U dont understand quran in the first place
He bobs and weaves questions like Mike Tyson bobs and weaves 👊.
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
The guys face changed when he noticed he stepped in the wrong cage 😂 Alhamdulillah br Muhammad is no layman muslim
Ok clarify the argument here.
@@Md.Kamarussalihin there is no argument
@@Md.Kamarussalihin are you looking for a fight
@@Md.Kamarussalihin clarify?
U can watch the vid for that.
For clarity he is a hadith rejector but doesn't wanna says it
Allah knows best
Good points Br. Mohammed, keep up the good work. Also, fair is fair, the guy to the right who kept laughing isn't doing anything positive for Islam.
Very entertaining
Masha Allah. Does brother Mohamed Ali have any social media handles?
MashaAllah.
Is there a part 2
The man is trying to have a civil conversation but also he has said that he doesent know.
pt. 2 brother
Never, never, never attempt to quote Qur’an in front of Hafidh'ul Qur’an, and then also try to attempt tafseer of what you don't obviously know. And on top of that, reject hadith! "Obey Allah (SWT), and obey Rasullah!" = Qur’an & Sunnah (hadith), & Hadith Qudsi.
Mohammed Ali needs to tell this dude that it is "Bouncing Season".
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
i envy this guy he reads the quraan 4 times and he really understands it and i bet 5th time reading he will be waiting for prophet hood to descend on him ,,,,,,,subhanullah we have lost count of reading the quraan and we still cant muster the courage to interpret the ayaats to our whims
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
Rejecting sahee hadith will land you to actually reject prophethood and the Quran.
Its odd when you’re adamant on the truth behind a Quraniyun ideology and misquoting the only scripture you deemed is the only truth. May Allah guide us all.
Ok clarify the argument here.
If you don't know the full extent of what you are quoting or talking about and also keep say you don't know fully what you are arguing about why not just listen and learn from someone who is giving you a logical answer with references then go back and study if this guy is right or wrong! Ma Sha Allah Muhammed has great patience, my blood was boiling at this misguided brothers arrogance and ignorance.
Ohhh come on now dont stop the video there! Part 2 please
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This brother think his smart and miss quoting the QURAN. Astagfirallah. Brother Mohammed ALLAH KEEP YOU BLESSED WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE. AMEEN
stop being so condescending. the brother is a muslim and accepts the quran. he is questioning some hadiths. I suggest before you comment you show some humility
I am not a Quranist or anything like that. But his argument was I think there are hadiths that could never have been uttered by the prophet or a certain action done by the prophet. And that's true, there are hadiths like that.
Yh and they are modu or weak.
We have classifications of hadith
To simplify the argument is like this;
-Ali overheard Dawan, most likely misunderstood him.
-Ali ask Dawan his position, he only accept hadith and sunnah in agreement with the Quran. Which either means;
1)any hadith and sunnah that may seem to have reliable source but contradicts the Quran is automatically rejected.
2)he ONLY accept hadith and sunnah both appear or mentioned in or by the Quran.
3)he basically accept hadith and sunnah word per word similar to the Quran.
-Ali chose number 2, Dawan number 1. Thus, both position was not properly address.
-Ali imply that Dawan is basically rejecting the hadith. He said hadith disagreement with the Quran is neutral. (Wrong choice of words, should have been hadith not mentioned by the Quran like how to pray etc. Hadith not in disagreement means a contradiction like something haram became halal)
-Dawan trying to explain his position and brought up the Quran regarding Prophet Musa but the info was false. The intention was merely an example from a layman. (His mistake, should've been a simple clarification of his stand)
-Ali who wouldn't let it slide was very strict when bringing up the Quran accuracy.
-Dawan explaining his position but failed again.
-Ali making a strawman argument that if the Quran exist such a statement, hadith with the similar statement is useless.
-Dawan trying to explain his position that man are fallible. Actually trying to explain the weak and fabricated hadith.
-Ali generalising Dawan meant ALL hadith. Then ask why didn't he reject the Quran. Absolute strawman.
-Dawan failed miserably again explaining how the Quran is preserved, maybe trying to give a rush answer or simply being a layman.
-Ali generalising again that the same method of preservation of the Quran via men is the same as the hadith. (I know that he knows this statement is partly false and I don't know why he is using it) and he is stating the sahih hadith only while Dawan is actually thinking of the weak and fabricated hadith.
After this I just can't bare watching it anymore since both party are not clear of each other positions.
You clearly have either misunderstood what Ali was trying to say, which is this;
If you reject some hadith because the people who transmitted the hadith are fallible, the Quran is transmitted to us in the same method. So on what basis do you accept one and reject the other?
@@mohamedmiah3325 what you mentioned was one part of the whole argument, not the actual argument. So look back at what I wrote while playing the video in the background..
@@Md.Kamarussalihin it is the ONLY point Mohammed Ali is making
@@mohamedmiah3325the only point Ali is making? So it wasn't Dawan argument to begin with..
Mohammed Ali asked him a question at the beginning; do you reject hadith? And the conversation went from there.
Oh boy! Schooled did he get
SubhanAllah. He's saying it's an assumption that the same people brought us the Qur'an in terms of preservation as the hadith. If it's an assumption can he name who it was? If he doesn't know that's even worse....it's pure BLIND faith because he is saying effectively he has no idea who the people are.
assalamu alaikum im Hanis from Singapore. how can i contact muhammad Ali
Muslims is the one going around saying need Hadith for deeper explanation from the Quran , but Ali don’t get it. It is not useless but need to be explained.
Haha they see Ali & think he's a soft touch till they get humiliated by their own ignorance 🤣
show some respect dude. He is muslim too but is questioning some but not all hadiths.
This guy was asked yesterday how do you pray if you have a hard time understanding the quran, he said he refers to the book of John in the bible 😭
I am with the guy on the left..
sfor example Surah 66 verse 1 and 2.. Quran do not tell any details about the incident but we find in detail what the incident was..
Where is the previous command to face masjid Al aqsa?
Part2?
There is. And also a shorter part 3 🤝
Part two
Muhammad Ali is wrong on that qibla arguement' Allah is simply saying: He made the command for the people of the previous' in their books to face a different qibla' that commandment never given to Prophet Muhammad-pbuh' to directly order non of his followers to directly face that previous qibla' Allah is only given our Prophet Muhammad-pbuh' the notion of that past information! Yes and of course that previous qibla' was Al Aqsa
I don't think we'll see this guy back in the Park very soon
Can't believe grown Ups can be that level of childish to b on his point !!!!😅👍
Ali rightly caught his intentions on rejecting hadits at the end of part 2 !!!!😅😅😅👍
This video only showed me that Ali has immense patience !!!!😅😅😅😅
Is praying in a mosque if I am alone better than praying at home?
This video proves that to Sunnies, Sahih bukhari and Muslim are basically Qur'an
No they aren't .
U even watched the vid?
Regarding Quran Allah gave his guarantee that it will not be changed and will stay pure...there are no such guarantees regarding hadiths though...