*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Introduction 0:19 - Dr. Ali praises Blogging Theology 0:40 - Background of Dr. Ali 1:26 - Topic of the Presentation 2:20 - Start of the Presentation 3:40 - Muslims doubting Qur'an's Preservation 4:55 - Textual Variance of the Qur'an vs the Bible 7:06 - Deceptions of the Critics of Islam 8:38 - Attestation of the Qur'an in the 1st century 10:02 - Historicity of the New Testament 14:12 - The Writings of the Christian Apostolic Fathers of the 1st Century CE 25:06 - The Qur'an's Attestation in its 1st Century 28:54 - Other 1st Century Manuscripts Hijri 31:30 - The Ahruf & Qira'at 34:31 - The Seven Ahruf 38:05 - The Prophet ﷺ recited the Qur'an as a Multiformic text 41:33 - What exactly are the Ahruf? 42:53 - Examples of the Categories of the Ahruf 54:21 - The Companion Codices or "Textual Traditions" 57:30 - The Uthmanic Codex Committee 1:00:01 - The "Common Ancestor" of all MSS: "The Prophetic Archetype" 1:02:14 - The Uthmanic Textual Tradition: The Best of the Prophet's ﷺ Readings 1:06:47 - Skeletal (Rasmi) Variance in the TT of IM vs the TT of 'UT 1:13:13 - Abandoned Readings 1:18:17 - What about the Hadith? 1:21:16 - No Surah 1 (Al-Fatihah) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex 1:27:38 - No Surahs 113 & 114 (Al-Mu'awwadatayn) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex 1:31:30 - Ubayy B. K'ab & the Extra Two "Surahs"? 1:40:51 - The "Guilt Complex" of the Christian Polemicists 1:46:23 - What is the Uthmanic Textual Tradition? 1:52:19 - Is the Uthmanic Codex/Textual Tradition incorrect? 1:57:31 - The Sana'a Palimpsest (C1) 2:05:53 - From the Uthmanic Codices to the Ten Authorised Qira'at 2:11:00 - How did Reciters know how to read the Codices? 2:14:24 - Three Conditions for an Authorised Recitation 2:18:14 - The Canonical Transmitters of the Eponymous Reciters 2:27:06 - Reciters reciting Unauthorised Recitations 2:30:09 - Refuting the Orientalists & Christian Polemicists 2:36:53 - Four Main Grades of Recitation 2:41:54 - Epilogue: "A Goat ate the Qur'an" Hadith 2:47:08 - Dr. Ali's thoughts about Daniel Brubaker's work 2:57:02 - Closing Remarks SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖 Brilliant Presentation & Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you both and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
From Abu Hurairah ra, the Prophet SAW said: "Whoever relieves a believer of a difficulty, surely Allah will relieve him of a difficulty on the Day of Resurrection. Whoever makes the affairs of others easy, surely Allah will make it easy for him in this world and in the hereafter. ( HR Muslim)
I'm from Egypt and my father (90 years old now) tells us proudly about his grand mother who used to be very good at reciting the Quran with all the 7 qera'at and how she was honored and celebrated for this. Muslims always knew about that and, in fact, celebrated it as part of the impressive nature of the holy Quran.
Yes you've summed it up. Many knew of this, it's not controversial in the slightest. In fact it adds another layer of depth to the Quran which is truly astonishing. The variances are subtle, it's in a letter or word, and only accounts for a small percentage of the Quran. The codex committee of Uthman (RA) did a tremendous job, tremendous. Now contrast that to what happened in Christianity, and the infamous Council meeting several decades and centuries later to establish the Bible. It was a laughing stock, ppl guessing, scratching heads, a patch work to put it mildly. An effect felt today with countless changes and versions of the Bible.
@@SamThuMan Great, then go rebuke your other scholar yasir qadhi. He said this stuff should be talked in private. It's not easy. Go watch his interview with mohamed hijab. Oh no, they both deleted it from their channels. Aren't we lucky that the CHRISTIANS have saved it 😂😂😂 Question :How does one become a muslim scholar? Answer: Get a degree in deception first. RIAI
Yasir Qahdi doesn’t represent all of Islam! What do you call a medical student who passes 7 years of medical school with D grade compared to a student who passes with an A grade??? A Doctor! Not all scholars are the same! Just like not all priests and paedophiles!
Yasir Qahdi doesn’t represent all of Islam! What do you call a medical student who passes 7 years of medical school with D grade compared to a student who passes with an A grade??? A Doctor! Not all scholars are the same! Just like not all priests and paedophiles!
@@RobinoftheHod Yasir Qadhi and now Shabbir Ally have broken ranks and said of course it's not perfectly preserved. Ally even said it's not scholarly to claim it.
@Jo Sm Shabir Ally and Yasir Qadhi are NOT infallible. Numerous Scholars of great stature and repute (both Muslim and non-Muslim), endowed and equipped with knowledge, have established the perfect preservation of The Quran based on hardcore evidence and facts. Stop acting like an ignorant fool, and do your research before you propogate nonsense!
@@farhanwyne6040 no they haven't. The only people who persist with perfect preservation are lying Islamists. As Yasir Qadhi said, the 'scholars' and sheikhs tell the ignorant it's perfectly preserved because you think that's evidence of divinity. But, as he said, 'advanced scholars' had always known the ahruf and q'irat do not explain the 90,000 differences between the 37 Arabic Korans.
Let it sink in. We have the whole Quran in EXTANT manuscripts dating back to the sahaba time, and not any sahaba but the Rashidun! And this is just the written form, not even getting into the oral mass transmission. Alhamdulillah for the preservation of the Quran.
Be accurate. Not the Sahaba's time, but first century. Most of the Sahaba did not live beyond the first half of that century. But yes, despite the mess, we have the Qur'an very well documented and attested.
@@asif8224 I'm saying be accurate. These masaahif are not dated to "the time of the Sahaba". Not that it matters anyway. We don't have Uthman's mashafs nor a definitive mashaf of any sahabi though by all rights we should. That is the failing of the early Ummah
@STIGGARRIUS. ALL religions,what are they for.whai is it that makes people believe in someone they have never seen or spoken to in all the 1500 years since your religion was invented. Qoran was not written by god but by man.
@@lenwilkinson672First of all there is sim[ly no point proven when you compare a religions age to put it in example Christianity and hinduism are older than Islam but are still disproven multiple times to this day. Second, no matter how much evidence we provide to you that blockade on your soul would not want to accept the truth as falsehood has broke it apart Third, You act as if you have evidence that The Holy Qur'an is "written by a man" while it is impossible to come up with something even similar to one verse of The Holy Qur'an . The Holy Qur'an was originally revealed through Oral tradition until it was noted down and compiled into what we know today as The Holy Qur'an. How can you as a human who is a lower class creature expect pr even think about seeing God? While God Almighty's wrath alone is unsurvivable. If you can not look at the Sun with your own eyes then how can you expect or even think about looking at its creator?
How could we not fall in love with Islam over and over again.. Spiritually & intellectually fulfilling to the core! Barakallahufeek Br Paul and Sh Ataie'
C.est normal quand la vérité se présente les portes s.ouvres les coeurs reconnaissants la parole d.allah/ainsi l.esprit est serin et l'âme est en paix le coeur s'épanouir de voir à l.interieux son corps se purifie) Salam alykhom frère et soeurs lisez le CORAN en traduction anglaise c.est un remède à toutes les problèmes un stabilisateur de toutes les conscience QUI n.arrivent pas à se situé ou se trouve leurs bonheurs) Chaque être humaines que ALLAH à créer possède une partie de vérité en LUI qui et nommé dans l.islam (Elfidra) chercher dans la meilleur partie de vous VOTRE coeur vous allez la trouver en larmes en reconnaissant ses tort/C.est de la que vient l.intervention divine D.ALLAH [la hiday'ah]une nouvelle orientation qui vous guidera vers sa lumière PLIEN de miséricorde INSHALLAH)
Can’t wait for Part II. As a mother living in the West, the content is crucial to assist my children navigate the interfaith dialogue they engage in with friends and colleagues. Thank you. May Allah bless you Dr Altai and Paul.
I don't usually comment on videos, but I cannot thank you enough for this extensive lecture. It is exactly what I needed and more. May Allah reward you and bless you 🤲
Alhamdulillah. Thank you once again Sidi Paul and Prof. Ataie. Ma sha Allah, what an enlightening piece. Thank you for bolstering our faith in the Quran with a sound dose of historical evidence.
Dear Paul, Thank you so much for bringing Dr. Ali Ataie with excellent topic of discussion. We are grateful to Allah Azza wajal for blessing us with the likes of you, Dr. Ali Ataie and many more. May Allah bless you immensely, grant you blessings and barakah in your life, wealth and offsprings. We love you for the sake of Allah.
We are face to face with 2 Pauls the first one who destroyed Christianity and the 2nd one that Islam flourishes because of him ( I mean you my father Williams Paul) .... You are the first one who gives me a good understanding of religions, it's amazing for me... Thank you very much, God bless you 💕.
I could listen to brother Ali speak all day. The research, clarity, and knowledge he possesses is absolutely amazing. I am super grateful for these videos brother Paul. Jazakallah!
Believe it or not, some of these materials has been taught in our madrasa since elementery level.. No way somebody can says it's been hidden from this ummah. Good job as always, paul. Barakallahu fiik
Well, you were fortunate. For a great many of us, this was not the case - and there was no internet back then. We were left having it drummed into our heads over and over again "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" with no source material that we had direct access to because, like most other Muslims, we couldn't speak Arabic. We had to take our teachers word for it and they all lied. Even when I started getting acquainted with topics like ahruf and qira'at later on, almost every explanation I was given was a lie. More often than not, when I see the issue being discussed among internet da'i etc, their explanations are still a lie.
@@divinity176 What a lie... we have quiraat readings in our mosques and we have qiraat readings championship every year that are podcasts in front of millions of people.... We have books about the quiraat of the quran since centuries... Are you living in a cave ? or are you even a muslim ??? I guess not... you have the exact same attitude than Jay fake smith and other christian bigots... and yes the quran with all the ahrufs are word for word preserved and go back to the first century...
@@divinity176 I had a similar experience to you. Was never told of the ahruf or qiraat. Islamic education is extremely lacking in our community. It comes back to bite us, when non Muslims weaponize our ignorance of our own religion against us.
@@divinity176 Actually the statement that says Quran preserved "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" is kinda true. We know that Qur'an were originally spoken through our prophet Muhammad pbuh, memorised by sahabiah, but the mushaf and rasm (consonantal skeleton a.k.a "dot") were invented later. If those kind of Arabic text or writing method was exist during the prophet pbuh life, it must be preserved word for word, letter for letter, and dot for dot too.. so it doesn't matter.
Amazing, ma sha Allah!!! I am v. proud of Prof. Ali Ataie, and what a treasure of session! May Allah bless your channel brother Paul. Long it may thrive, and grow.
@@sacredrider The verb 'rationalise' has more than one meaning, one of which is to reorganise something so as to make it more logical, in this case the attempt at the removal of variants and anomalies within the differing Koranic texts.
@@sacredrider If you're saying that there is only, and always has been, one Koran, that's not true. And preservation entails more than the inclusion or omission of verses anyway. As I stated earlier, what need was there to try in Cairo to standardise the canonical text and achieve uniformity otherwise?
"This is the best channel on RUclips", Dr Ali Ataie. High praise indeed. Very well done, Paul. Must have something to do with tidying up your bookshelf ;-)
I learned so much from this video. This is beyond exceptional. I’ve listened to this twice and going to take notes on my third watch 😊😊 This is like university lecture. But don’t have to pay an arm and an leg for such outstanding knowledge (speaking from someone in North America.)
Jazakumullahu khairan Prof Ali and uztaz Paul. I salute the Profs stamina for going over 2 hrs of non stop talking ( with only one or two sips of water?l). Extraordinary. But then he is a lecturer and a top reason, he was defending the Quran the kallamullah(words of Allah). May Allah reward both of you with jannatul firdaus, ameen.
Alhamdullilah - so grateful to you Paul and this channel for the lectures we are now getting - extended discussions such as this are extremely beneficial for raising the level of knowledge of all the viewers. Allahuma barik!
Subhanallah! This is amazing presentation! Dr Ali is indeed an Ata (gift) to us ummah at this time. Immensely grateful for his very detailed analysis. 🙏
Bless you professor Ali Ataie and you too Paul, what an amazing presentation and what an amazing defence of the Quran, many of my misconceptions have been answered, lay muslims like me were never bothered by how the quran was and is preserved until last few years when certain christian you tubers started to create mischief and doubt over the authenticity of the quran, thank you Paul and professor Ataie for you have put them back into the dark box that they crawled out from, you have a subscrber ! May Allah grant you both amazing success in this world and the hereafter for your efforts for this ummah.
Mashallah! 🙏 Another superb and enlightening presentation from the erudite and polymath Brother!... can't wait for the 2and part!... Thanks again Paul for bringing him on! 👍🏼
That's so great to listen from Dr. Ali, he is such an erudite person. Thank you brother Paul ❤️ for always bringing the best minds to help us understand Quran
Thanks for this amazing episode 👍👍 Dr. Ali Atai's meetings are so full of well established information and insights. I love what he said in the beginning about Muslims' ignorance of their own traditional sources which is truly a serious problem.
I love dr ali for the sake off Allah his knowledge and his humbleness is obvious may Allah keep us all on the straight path Thank u brother paul for wonderful content
@@shanewilson2484Well, it's necessary to know what's written in the book of God to protect ourselves and the future generation from becoming a nihilist selfish human being indoctrinated with western insanity
This is definitely the most comprehensive, eloquent and succinct lecture I’ve ever seen on the subjects handled within it in the English language. Dr. Ataei is an absolute gem mashallah and I cannot thank you enough Paul for continuing to present his amazing summations of the vast amount of information he has on your channel. May the Most High bless you both for everything you do.
Mashallah tabarakallah..... such a great exploration into one of the main reasons I differed in catholic school growing up about inviable texts I couldn't except from the old And the new testament which later through all the personal research that indeed lead me to islam...Allah hu akbar❤️
Thank you Dr. Ataie. Thank you Paul. An extremely cogent, intellectually stimulating and comprehensive presentation. The incredible and remarkable way in which ALLAH preserved The Quran, reflects HIS unfathomable wisdom and knowledge. Thank you!
Al hamdullilah. Blogging Theology is a great and valuable educational asset. May Allah bless you brother Paul William and your current quest Dr. Ali. Dr Ali information on how the Holy Quran was preserved is most informative. Indeed, this was a very rich and informative podcast
Thank you for inviting Professor Ataie. Young people should learn this more and i would happily discuss it with my kids as they learn Qur'an and on the way being hafidz insyaaAllah
Regarding to the ahruf and qira'at, it is a well known fact for us here in Malaysia. Many of us especially those who studied in religious school aware of these recitation variations.
And they still don't explain the textual differences between the 37 extant Arabic Korans. Even shabir Ali is now saying it's unscholarly up claim the Koran is perfectly preserved.
@@BloggingTheology I will be 77 this December, and I have seen so much, but the TRUTH remains my best Way to the Source! God bless you for your great and brave work! Salaam Shalom Shanti Peace Basheer
Finished the 3-hour lecture over 3-4 sittings. Really a new additional knowledge for me. Alhamdulillah, i think it is easy to accept and understand given the 'pre warning' by Dr Yasir Qadhi before. - Our quran is a multiformic oral tradition that been mass transmitted since the time of the prophet. - pre Uthmani codex like C1 and Ibn Mas'ud were individual copies for personal reference and may contain scribal errors/personal notes/incomplete. - Uthmani codex stabilises the quran, although at the expense of certain acceptable small variation being left out. - 7 ahruf as stated in the tradition is not the same as 7 qiraat. - the variations and critics of the variation are all available in our traditions, nothing is hidden. Thank you so much. May Allah preserve both of you.
This lecture is a gem and I’ll be using it as a high quality reference for the future. It’s a must watch for everyone and should have billions of views
@@polokucoch8112 could be because humans can make errors. That’s why there are numerical codes in the Quran which prove without the shadow of a doubt it’s preservation and divine origin. Just look up mathematical code and the number 19 in the Quran. It’s not a matter of someone else’s opinion
@@polokucoch8112 if your really serious about it then you should look it up. It takes a lot of time to study it. If you don’t want to research it that’s not really my problem
SubhanAllah is the only thing I can say.. Barak Allahu fiek for the lessons ! I learned so much... I'm gonna look up all 7 forms now and enjoy this beauty !
What amazing job you did, both of you 🌹🌹 Thank you brother Paul for arranging this masterpiece ❤️ It's really always a pleasure when I see dr.atai in your channel. 3 hours passed by without me even knowing it. I which that Dr. Atai is my professor. I would study all day with pleasure and content 🙏💕
Thank you so much for making this mich needed and such an amazing conversation. Allah bless you. You have no idea how much this analysis has benefitted us!
Professor Ataie, you are insanely eloquent, clear in your logic and speech, unbelievably learned and it shows in all your lectures. When Allah gives someone a power and they fulfill it to the best of their abilities, this is what we get. Hats off to you sir, and for Paul for introducing the Professor to a larger audience.
This is one of the best and comprehensive (lecture) video on the preservation of the Quran which can easily be converted into a mini course itself. Paul and Ustad Ali Ataie, may ALLAH grant you ajar for this.
Simply brilliant and breathtaking the level of knowledge transmitted by Bro Dr Ali Ataei. He is truly a gem of our Ummah. May Allah reward Bro Paul and Bro Dr Ali Ataei abundantly for your contribution to Islam. Aameen.
*Timestamps:*
0:00 - Introduction
0:19 - Dr. Ali praises Blogging Theology
0:40 - Background of Dr. Ali
1:26 - Topic of the Presentation
2:20 - Start of the Presentation
3:40 - Muslims doubting Qur'an's Preservation
4:55 - Textual Variance of the Qur'an vs the Bible
7:06 - Deceptions of the Critics of Islam
8:38 - Attestation of the Qur'an in the 1st century
10:02 - Historicity of the New Testament
14:12 - The Writings of the Christian Apostolic Fathers of the 1st Century CE
25:06 - The Qur'an's Attestation in its 1st Century
28:54 - Other 1st Century Manuscripts Hijri
31:30 - The Ahruf & Qira'at
34:31 - The Seven Ahruf
38:05 - The Prophet ﷺ recited the Qur'an as a Multiformic text
41:33 - What exactly are the Ahruf?
42:53 - Examples of the Categories of the Ahruf
54:21 - The Companion Codices or "Textual Traditions"
57:30 - The Uthmanic Codex Committee
1:00:01 - The "Common Ancestor" of all MSS: "The Prophetic Archetype"
1:02:14 - The Uthmanic Textual Tradition: The Best of the Prophet's ﷺ Readings
1:06:47 - Skeletal (Rasmi) Variance in the TT of IM vs the TT of 'UT
1:13:13 - Abandoned Readings
1:18:17 - What about the Hadith?
1:21:16 - No Surah 1 (Al-Fatihah) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex
1:27:38 - No Surahs 113 & 114 (Al-Mu'awwadatayn) in Ibn Mas'ud's Codex
1:31:30 - Ubayy B. K'ab & the Extra Two "Surahs"?
1:40:51 - The "Guilt Complex" of the Christian Polemicists
1:46:23 - What is the Uthmanic Textual Tradition?
1:52:19 - Is the Uthmanic Codex/Textual Tradition incorrect?
1:57:31 - The Sana'a Palimpsest (C1)
2:05:53 - From the Uthmanic Codices to the Ten Authorised Qira'at
2:11:00 - How did Reciters know how to read the Codices?
2:14:24 - Three Conditions for an Authorised Recitation
2:18:14 - The Canonical Transmitters of the Eponymous Reciters
2:27:06 - Reciters reciting Unauthorised Recitations
2:30:09 - Refuting the Orientalists & Christian Polemicists
2:36:53 - Four Main Grades of Recitation
2:41:54 - Epilogue: "A Goat ate the Qur'an" Hadith
2:47:08 - Dr. Ali's thoughts about Daniel Brubaker's work
2:57:02 - Closing Remarks
SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖
Brilliant Presentation & Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻
_May Allah ﷻ bless you both and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
Sup champ
@@huskee7684 بارك اللٰه فيك أخي 😄
@Asadullah SAAiD Fantastic work! many thanks!
May Allah reward you
From Abu Hurairah ra, the Prophet SAW said: "Whoever relieves a believer of a difficulty, surely Allah will relieve him of a difficulty on the Day of Resurrection. Whoever makes the affairs of others easy, surely Allah will make it easy for him in this world and in the hereafter. ( HR Muslim)
I'm from Egypt and my father (90 years old now) tells us proudly about his grand mother who used to be very good at reciting the Quran with all the 7 qera'at and how she was honored and celebrated for this. Muslims always knew about that and, in fact, celebrated it as part of the impressive nature of the holy Quran.
I'm proud of your grandmother. Masyallah!
Yes you've summed it up. Many knew of this, it's not controversial in the slightest. In fact it adds another layer of depth to the Quran which is truly astonishing.
The variances are subtle, it's in a letter or word, and only accounts for a small percentage of the Quran. The codex committee of Uthman (RA) did a tremendous job, tremendous.
Now contrast that to what happened in Christianity, and the infamous Council meeting several decades and centuries later to establish the Bible. It was a laughing stock, ppl guessing, scratching heads, a patch work to put it mildly. An effect felt today with countless changes and versions of the Bible.
@@SamThuMan Great, then go rebuke your other scholar yasir qadhi.
He said this stuff should be talked in private. It's not easy.
Go watch his interview with mohamed hijab.
Oh no, they both deleted it from their channels.
Aren't we lucky that the CHRISTIANS have saved it 😂😂😂
Question :How does one become a muslim scholar?
Answer: Get a degree in deception first.
RIAI
Yasir Qahdi doesn’t represent all of Islam!
What do you call a medical student who passes 7 years of medical school with D grade compared to a student who passes with an A grade???
A Doctor!
Not all scholars are the same! Just like not all priests and paedophiles!
Yasir Qahdi doesn’t represent all of Islam!
What do you call a medical student who passes 7 years of medical school with D grade compared to a student who passes with an A grade???
A Doctor!
Not all scholars are the same! Just like not all priests and paedophiles!
*SPOILER OF THE EPISODE:*
*_Yes, the Quran is perfectly preserved_*
When you lie, you can claim it's perfectly preserved. Yes.
@@RobinoftheHod you mean, I'm right but your little fee fees are hurt by that.
@@RobinoftheHod Yasir Qadhi and now Shabbir Ally have broken ranks and said of course it's not perfectly preserved. Ally even said it's not scholarly to claim it.
@Jo Sm Shabir Ally and Yasir Qadhi are NOT infallible. Numerous Scholars of great stature and repute (both Muslim and non-Muslim), endowed and equipped with knowledge, have established the perfect preservation of The Quran based on hardcore evidence and facts. Stop acting like an ignorant fool, and do your research before you propogate nonsense!
@@farhanwyne6040 no they haven't. The only people who persist with perfect preservation are lying Islamists. As Yasir Qadhi said, the 'scholars' and sheikhs tell the ignorant it's perfectly preserved because you think that's evidence of divinity. But, as he said, 'advanced scholars' had always known the ahruf and q'irat do not explain the 90,000 differences between the 37 Arabic Korans.
Let it sink in. We have the whole Quran in EXTANT manuscripts dating back to the sahaba time, and not any sahaba but the Rashidun! And this is just the written form, not even getting into the oral mass transmission. Alhamdulillah for the preservation of the Quran.
Yeah, Subhanah, what a blessing ❤️
Alhamdullilah 🙏🌹
Be accurate. Not the Sahaba's time, but first century. Most of the Sahaba did not live beyond the first half of that century. But yes, despite the mess, we have the Qur'an very well documented and attested.
@@QuranicIslam 1st century sahabas was their what are you saying?
@@asif8224
I'm saying be accurate. These masaahif are not dated to "the time of the Sahaba". Not that it matters anyway. We don't have Uthman's mashafs nor a definitive mashaf of any sahabi though by all rights we should. That is the failing of the early Ummah
@@QuranicIslam early menuscript dated back prophet pbuh lifetime!
You mean 100% Quran??
What are you trying to say?
It amazes me how Allah Subhanah gives a chance to such treasures and gems of our heritage to speak for Islam. May Allah bless you both!
Allah doesn't exist and islam is collapsing.
@STIGGARRIUS. ALL religions,what are they for.whai is it that makes people believe in someone they have never seen or spoken to in all the 1500 years since your religion was invented. Qoran was not written by god but by man.
@@lenwilkinson672 understood, thanks for sharing your thoughts
@@lenwilkinson672First of all there is sim[ly no point proven when you compare a religions age to put it in example Christianity and hinduism are older than Islam but are still disproven multiple times to this day.
Second, no matter how much evidence we provide to you that blockade on your soul would not want to accept the truth as falsehood has broke it apart
Third, You act as if you have evidence that The Holy Qur'an is "written by a man" while it is impossible to come up with something even similar to one verse of The Holy Qur'an .
The Holy Qur'an was originally revealed through Oral tradition until it was noted down and compiled into what we know today as The Holy Qur'an.
How can you as a human who is a lower class creature expect pr even think about seeing God? While God Almighty's wrath alone is unsurvivable. If you can not look at the Sun with your own eyes then how can you expect or even think about looking at its creator?
How could we not fall in love with Islam over and over again..
Spiritually & intellectually fulfilling to the core!
Barakallahufeek Br Paul and Sh Ataie'
I respect how you feel for Islam. I'm seeking simply to have a love for God, the One True God. I'm a Christian believer. Peace
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Thank you for such kind words.God bless!
@@wanfatinsuryaniewa7007 And thanks to you too. Peace of God be with each of us in these troubling days.
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C.est normal quand la vérité se présente les portes s.ouvres les coeurs reconnaissants la parole d.allah/ainsi l.esprit est serin et l'âme est en paix le coeur s'épanouir de voir à l.interieux son corps se purifie)
Salam alykhom frère et soeurs lisez le CORAN en traduction anglaise c.est un remède à toutes les problèmes un stabilisateur de toutes les conscience QUI n.arrivent pas à se situé ou se trouve leurs bonheurs)
Chaque être humaines que ALLAH à créer possède une partie de vérité en LUI qui et nommé dans l.islam (Elfidra) chercher dans la meilleur partie de vous VOTRE coeur vous allez la trouver en larmes en reconnaissant ses tort/C.est de la que vient l.intervention divine D.ALLAH [la hiday'ah]une nouvelle orientation qui vous guidera vers sa lumière PLIEN de miséricorde INSHALLAH)
Always a pleasure to listen to Professor Ataie. Thanks for all the great work Paul!
What the fuck are you doing here...
Hakim, to find you here is amazing brother. I love your videos
Omg you're here yesss your content is super cool hella informative.
Can’t wait for Part II. As a mother living in the West, the content is crucial to assist my children navigate the interfaith dialogue they engage in with friends and colleagues. Thank you. May Allah bless you Dr Altai and Paul.
*Ataie…
May Allah Bless you sister .. I pray that more mothers become concerned for their kids regarding Islam .
I’m also very interested in part 2 as a non Muslim im intrigued by the idea of part 2 maybe 🤔 if part 2 strikes my heart I’ll revert
@@intuitivesean443 Hello, Blogging Theology welcomes you. My salutations 👋
where can we buy/read his books ?
I don't usually comment on videos, but I cannot thank you enough for this extensive lecture. It is exactly what I needed and more. May Allah reward you and bless you 🤲
Glad it was helpful!
Alhamdulillah. Thank you once again Sidi Paul and Prof. Ataie. Ma sha Allah, what an enlightening piece. Thank you for bolstering our faith in the Quran with a sound dose of historical evidence.
Excellent lecture. Thanks Paul for having him again.
Prof Ataei is my one of my fav guest. Thank you for having him again.
Dear Paul,
Thank you so much for bringing Dr. Ali Ataie with excellent topic of discussion. We are grateful to Allah Azza wajal for blessing us with the likes of you, Dr. Ali Ataie and many more. May Allah bless you immensely, grant you blessings and barakah in your life, wealth and offsprings. We love you for the sake of Allah.
Alhamdulillah
I love this channel. It’s straight discourse, knowledge, and no drama 💙
May Allah reward you
We are face to face with 2 Pauls the first one who destroyed Christianity and the 2nd one that Islam flourishes because of him ( I mean you my father Williams Paul) .... You are the first one who gives me a good understanding of religions, it's amazing for me... Thank you very much, God bless you 💕.
I could listen to brother Ali speak all day. The research, clarity, and knowledge he possesses is absolutely amazing. I am super grateful for these videos brother Paul. Jazakallah!
Believe it or not, some of these materials has been taught in our madrasa since elementery level.. No way somebody can says it's been hidden from this ummah. Good job as always, paul. Barakallahu fiik
Well, you were fortunate. For a great many of us, this was not the case - and there was no internet back then. We were left having it drummed into our heads over and over again "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" with no source material that we had direct access to because, like most other Muslims, we couldn't speak Arabic. We had to take our teachers word for it and they all lied. Even when I started getting acquainted with topics like ahruf and qira'at later on, almost every explanation I was given was a lie. More often than not, when I see the issue being discussed among internet da'i etc, their explanations are still a lie.
@@divinity176
What a lie... we have quiraat readings in our mosques and we have qiraat readings championship every year that are podcasts in front of millions of people.... We have books about the quiraat of the quran since centuries...
Are you living in a cave ?
or are you even a muslim ??? I guess not... you have the exact same attitude than Jay fake smith and other christian bigots...
and yes the quran with all the ahrufs are word for word preserved and go back to the first century...
@@divinity176 I had a similar experience to you. Was never told of the ahruf or qiraat. Islamic education is extremely lacking in our community. It comes back to bite us, when non Muslims weaponize our ignorance of our own religion against us.
@@divinity176 Actually the statement that says Quran preserved "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" is kinda true. We know that Qur'an were originally spoken through our prophet Muhammad pbuh, memorised by sahabiah, but the mushaf and rasm (consonantal skeleton a.k.a "dot") were invented later. If those kind of Arabic text or writing method was exist during the prophet pbuh life, it must be preserved word for word, letter for letter, and dot for dot too.. so it doesn't matter.
Even in remote village in Ghana same thing
Dr. Ali Ataie is a treasure and blessing not just to the Muslim community but, for humanity overall.
*_A valuable documentary on the preservation of the Noble Quran._*
In Indonesia, we learn this at Madrasah
Thank so much shiekh paul for bringing the legend prof Ali Ataie on blogging theology once again... may Allah swt bless you
Dr Ali is a gem, absolutely love him. I’d pay money to hang out with him for a day and just listen to him
Amazing, ma sha Allah!!! I am v. proud of Prof. Ali Ataie, and what a treasure of session! May Allah bless your channel brother Paul. Long it may thrive, and grow.
Masha’Allah very educating video I enjoyed it throughly my faith in the Quran has strengthened even more ❤
I've been waiting. Absolutely adore every talk with you two
Best lecture available on this topic online. Thank you for your great work
The Qur'an was preserved during the time of the Prophet ﷺ and his companions. It will be preserved until the day it is lifted from this world.
That's not true. Why, for instance, did the Koran need to be rationalised in Cairo in the 1920s if there were no variants?
@@maxb9315 Did you not watch the video at all? What does rationalizing have to do with preservation?
@@sacredrider The verb 'rationalise' has more than one meaning, one of which is to reorganise something so as to make it more logical, in this case the attempt at the removal of variants and anomalies within the differing Koranic texts.
@@maxb9315 there two things. Did we lose all other ahruf? Is the quran today worng? It is one ahruf, thats it. They did not take out or put in verses
@@sacredrider If you're saying that there is only, and always has been, one Koran, that's not true. And preservation entails more than the inclusion or omission of verses anyway. As I stated earlier, what need was there to try in Cairo to standardise the canonical text and achieve uniformity otherwise?
"This is the best channel on RUclips", Dr Ali Ataie.
High praise indeed. Very well done, Paul.
Must have something to do with tidying up your bookshelf ;-)
Continue your excellent work
Many thanks!
Paul you NEED to bring him in for more videos he’s soo knowledgeable Masha Allah!
Dr. Ataie ?!!
Thumbs up before even watching ;)
God bless you Paul
I learned so much from this video. This is beyond exceptional. I’ve listened to this twice and going to take notes on my third watch 😊😊 This is like university lecture. But don’t have to pay an arm and an leg for such outstanding knowledge (speaking from someone in North America.)
@@polokucoch8112there is literally no changed its dialect no variant
Subhannallah. Love the presentations and slideshows and the bibliographical book recommendations!! Jazakallah Kair. May Allah increase us all!!
Blogging Theology is fast becoming the number 1 RUclips source for religion majors.
Jazakumullahu khairan Prof Ali and uztaz Paul. I salute the Profs stamina for going over 2 hrs of non stop talking ( with only one or two sips of water?l). Extraordinary. But then he is a lecturer and a top reason, he was defending the Quran the kallamullah(words of Allah). May Allah reward both of you with jannatul firdaus, ameen.
Alhamdullilah - so grateful to you Paul and this channel for the lectures we are now getting - extended discussions such as this are extremely beneficial for raising the level of knowledge of all the viewers. Allahuma barik!
Nothing beats Br. Paul and Prof Ataie podcasts/interviews/discussions
Subhanallah! This is amazing presentation! Dr Ali is indeed an Ata (gift) to us ummah at this time. Immensely grateful for his very detailed analysis. 🙏
Suburban Shawarma!
Bless you professor Ali Ataie and you too Paul, what an amazing presentation and what an amazing defence of the Quran, many of my misconceptions have been answered, lay muslims like me were never bothered by how the quran was and is preserved until last few years when certain christian you tubers started to create mischief and doubt over the authenticity of the quran, thank you Paul and professor Ataie for you have put them back into the dark box that they crawled out from, you have a subscrber ! May Allah grant you both amazing success in this world and the hereafter for your efforts for this ummah.
This was one of my favorite episodes! Dr. Ataei does a wonderful job in breaking down the topic, JazakumAllah Khair!
Can’t wait for part two. This was mind blowing
Such an interesting interview ❤
Mashallah! 🙏 Another superb and enlightening presentation from the erudite and polymath Brother!... can't wait for the 2and part!... Thanks again Paul for bringing him on! 👍🏼
That's so great to listen from Dr. Ali, he is such an erudite person. Thank you brother Paul ❤️ for always bringing the best minds to help us understand Quran
Thank you so so much for the free lecture and education. This is a rare gem. May God bless you both.
Thanks for this amazing episode 👍👍 Dr. Ali Atai's meetings are so full of well established information and insights. I love what he said in the beginning about Muslims' ignorance of their own traditional sources which is truly a serious problem.
I can only say brother Paul may Allah reward you and brother Ali and all those who serve the Quran handsomely in this life and in the hereafter ameen
Just make sure your god Allah is more powerful than God YHWH IAM 🤭🤭🤭
May Allah bless Dr Ali Ataie. He is a great scholar
I love dr ali for the sake off Allah his knowledge and his humbleness is obvious may Allah keep us all on the straight path
Thank u brother paul for wonderful content
Lecture loaded with wisdom and full thoughts of great knowledge. This man lecture need to be every week .Addicted to Paul channel.
This is by far the best lecture I have seen on the preservation of the Quran. It adresses all the doubts and questions people have in general.
It is important that ancient nonsense is preserved so we can understand the mentality of the ancients.
@@shanewilson2484Well, it's necessary to know what's written in the book of God to protect ourselves and the future generation from becoming a nihilist selfish human being indoctrinated with western insanity
The christians been real quiet in these comments...
Amazing -- masha Allah Dr. Ali and Paul -- don't have words to praise you and your efforts... May Allah accept this from you ..
This is definitely the most comprehensive, eloquent and succinct lecture I’ve ever seen on the subjects handled within it in the English language. Dr. Ataei is an absolute gem mashallah and I cannot thank you enough Paul for continuing to present his amazing summations of the vast amount of information he has on your channel. May the Most High bless you both for everything you do.
Absolute gem marshmallow!
Mashallah tabarakallah..... such a great exploration into one of the main reasons I differed in catholic school growing up about inviable texts I couldn't except from the old And the new testament which later through all the personal research that indeed lead me to islam...Allah hu akbar❤️
In need of showing you my appreciation again, thank you both for this interview, may Allah Tabarak wa Ta'la reward you both.
Amazing and very informative show. May Allah swt reward you for your efforts to serve the the true religion of Islam.
Islam is my identity.
Thank you Dr. Ataie. Thank you Paul. An extremely cogent, intellectually stimulating and comprehensive presentation. The incredible and remarkable way in which ALLAH preserved The Quran, reflects HIS unfathomable wisdom and knowledge. Thank you!
Thank YOU Farhan. Take care Akhi. Salams.
An amazing presentation. Well thought out, well represented. Jazaaka Allah for this.
Al hamdullilah. Blogging Theology is a great and valuable educational asset.
May Allah bless you brother Paul William and your current quest Dr. Ali. Dr Ali information on how the Holy Quran was preserved is most informative. Indeed, this was a very rich and informative podcast
Thank you 3hrs well worth spent. Excited to listen to the 2nd series/part.
May Allah bless you both! Thank you for bringing up this topic and with prof. Ataie!
Such a valuable video for the ummah, I need to watch it another 10 times to full grasp all the concepts and arguments. Many thanks to both of you!!!!
Sir Paul your excitement can be felt anywhere in the world im sure, :D we all feel the same, may Allah preserve you both!
Thank you for inviting Professor Ataie. Young people should learn this more and i would happily discuss it with my kids as they learn Qur'an and on the way being hafidz insyaaAllah
Regarding to the ahruf and qira'at, it is a well known fact for us here in Malaysia. Many of us especially those who studied in religious school aware of these recitation variations.
True bro.. i learn since secondary school (KKQ).. but never master it😂.. lupa habis dah bang.. adoyaiii
@@adliahmad3716 ahahahah
And they still don't explain the textual differences between the 37 extant Arabic Korans.
Even shabir Ali is now saying it's unscholarly up claim the Koran is perfectly preserved.
@@josm1481 dude do you lived in Malaysia ??
@@josm1481
You are a liar.
Has he made Part 2? So knowledgeable please keep bringing him on
I never like making compliments, but this is the very best I have seen to date! Thanks to both Pr. Ataie and Paul!
BAFS
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@BloggingTheology I will be 77 this December, and I have seen so much, but the TRUTH remains my best Way to the Source!
God bless you for your great and brave work!
Salaam
Shalom
Shanti
Peace
Basheer
Finished the 3-hour lecture over 3-4 sittings. Really a new additional knowledge for me. Alhamdulillah, i think it is easy to accept and understand given the 'pre warning' by Dr Yasir Qadhi before.
- Our quran is a multiformic oral tradition that been mass transmitted since the time of the prophet.
- pre Uthmani codex like C1 and Ibn Mas'ud were individual copies for personal reference and may contain scribal errors/personal notes/incomplete.
- Uthmani codex stabilises the quran, although at the expense of certain acceptable small variation being left out.
- 7 ahruf as stated in the tradition is not the same as 7 qiraat.
- the variations and critics of the variation are all available in our traditions, nothing is hidden.
Thank you so much. May Allah preserve both of you.
This lecture is a gem and I’ll be using it as a high quality reference for the future.
It’s a must watch for everyone and should have billions of views
@@polokucoch8112 could be because humans can make errors. That’s why there are numerical codes in the Quran which prove without the shadow of a doubt it’s preservation and divine origin. Just look up mathematical code and the number 19 in the Quran. It’s not a matter of someone else’s opinion
@@polokucoch8112 if your really serious about it then you should look it up. It takes a lot of time to study it. If you don’t want to research it that’s not really my problem
This is one of the best videos I have ever watched. Jazakum Allah khair
Alhamdulillah and thank you Paul for bringing back Dr Ali, such a great scholar....
Great resource and great presentation by Dr Ali Ataie. Keep up the great work with your channel. May Allah bless you in this life and Hereafter.
THANK U Dr. UR PRESENTATION IS A GEM. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT IN MY COLLECTION.
Paul, you are giving me a hard time with these videos mashaAllah, I can't keep up with translating them! 🤣
Allah give you Tawfiq my brother!
Undoubtedly Allah has protected His Book
Wonderful presentation! Comprehensive calming of the nerves and an excellent renewal of the infallibility of the Qur'an
Dr. Ataie does such an excellent job explaining this topic!ماشاء الله
Thank you so much brother Paul and brother Ali god bless you
Alhamdulillah...... Knowledge is power!!!
Dr. Ataie is such a treasure of knowledge ما شاء الله
Finally finished watching the entire video. Thank you very much Dr Ali for your clarity and valuable Insight. May Allah preserve you.
Ameen Imam. JazakAllah khayr. May Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala preserve you as well.
Another collaboration? It’s now at the point where I "thumbs up" before the adverts finish 📚
SubhanAllah is the only thing I can say.. Barak Allahu fiek for the lessons ! I learned so much... I'm gonna look up all 7 forms now and enjoy this beauty !
This channel is a gem
This was way overdue. Great content as always.
Mashaa Allah, an extraordinary presentation, indeed! I am amazed at its depth. May Allah bless both of you.
Very deep and thorough insight - many thanks, Paul and Dr. Ataie
What amazing job you did, both of you 🌹🌹
Thank you brother Paul for arranging this masterpiece ❤️
It's really always a pleasure when I see dr.atai in your channel.
3 hours passed by without me even knowing it. I which that Dr. Atai is my professor. I would study all day with pleasure and content 🙏💕
Came back after the time stamps were added. Thanks Paul
رائع رائع
Especially from 2:30
The explaination of Yassin
Jazakum Allahu khairan
hi i am from jerusalem i love your channel
Can't wait for part 2!!
God bless you all 💛
many thanks for this one. though I am a born Muslim, I only knew this different styles of recitation very recently, had many questions in my mind.
Thank you so much for making this mich needed and such an amazing conversation. Allah bless you. You have no idea how much this analysis has benefitted us!
The level of expertise is breathtaking
Professor Ataie, you are insanely eloquent, clear in your logic and speech, unbelievably learned and it shows in all your lectures. When Allah gives someone a power and they fulfill it to the best of their abilities, this is what we get. Hats off to you sir, and for Paul for introducing the Professor to a larger audience.
This is one of the best and comprehensive (lecture) video on the preservation of the Quran which can easily be converted into a mini course itself. Paul and Ustad Ali Ataie, may ALLAH grant you ajar for this.
Thoroughly enjoyed this topic. Hats off to you both.
Simply brilliant and breathtaking the level of knowledge transmitted by Bro Dr Ali Ataei. He is truly a gem of our Ummah. May Allah reward Bro Paul and Bro Dr Ali Ataei abundantly for your contribution to Islam. Aameen.