The Most Bullied Player In Baseball History
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Mario Mendoza is best known for his name being attached to the Mendoza Line term that puts anyone hitting below .200 as under the line. The term would go on to be referenced in politics, other sports, and pop culture. All the while, Mario Mendoza became the most bullied player in baseball history for a small inside joke that leaked from the clubhouse.
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I wouldn't say he's bullied, the guy made the pros, which is a very impressive accomplishment. To have a famous statistic named after him is awesome, he left his mark and is now immortalized. I would be honored in his position.
He was also a very good defensive player. Ozzie Smith hit around the Mendoza line several times in his career.
@@ruffkuntry2574this!
@@ruffkuntry2574It's obvious Ozzie isn't a hall of famer for his offensive numbers.
Got hot* at the right time. Don’t deserve the call up
I wish Rusty Kuntz had some stat named after him! 😮
8:06 this guy came back as a hitting coach is amazing comeback arc
It’s funny how some people that physically suck at something can be so good at teaching or coaching it, I got to play in the Mexican minor and professional league for a bit and the best hitting coach that I had was a former catcher that couldn’t hit a baseball to save his life 😂 but he was so knowledgeable and helped me understand so much about hitting
@@edsonbojorquez2913 Kind of makes sense, in some ways. Someone who has a natural talent for something might not be fully aware of how they do it. Someone who's less talented might be doing everything they can to make the most of it.
@@gordons-alive4940 no doubt, nailed it with this comment
@@gordons-alive4940impeccably said!
@@edsonbojorquez2913you’ll notice in the NBA some of the most successful head coaches were role players, guys like Pat Riley and Steve Kerr
It’s cool to hear about how coaches in other leagues come about
Under the himself line lmao
He's not been bullied enough
I am named Mendoza and I am proud of Mario and his Mendoza Line. Actually playing 9 seasons in the Majors is significantly above average. Mario was actually quite a good player.
My favorite part of the Mario Mendoza story was that after the Mendoza Line went widespread in early 1980, he hit a combined .239 in 1980 and 1981. Kudos to him for that!
Anyways, hoping to see a video about Lenn Sakata, another player that became somewhat of a folk hero!
A Lenn Sakata video would be great. I actually met him when I was a kid. He happened to live in Merced, Ca. where I grew up. He was a folk hero there. I had his baseball card and saw he lived in Merced. My mom looked up his phone number, called and asked him to meet me and my brother and sign autographs. He met us at a McDonald’s. Later on he ran a baseball clinic which I attended. Met him again there. Nice guy very humble.
Lenn Sakata! Wow! I just got flashbacks! Poor guy went 0 for 60-something againstthe white Sox. A nightmare.
I thought it was Tom Paciorek who started it It didn't mean .200, just wherever his name was in the Sunday listings.
We have to get the Rendon line to start trending.
jajajajajajajaja
Playing in under 60 games while making over $25 million can be the Rendon line
@@HardRockMarkI was kinda hurt that we let him walk after the 2019 WS. Now I’m glad. 😭
@@JazzyJeff910 Yeah y’all kinda dodged a bullet there. He fell off a cliff quick then.
Or the beaz line
Bob Uecker actually had a .200 on the dot career average, so by rights it would be better called the Uecker line.
Yeah, I remember reading that in Uecker's book. He kind of took pride in being a lifetime .200 hitter, on the nose. He was more Mendoza than Mendoza.
You know, that's 100% correct.
Uecker lines are already a thing👃
Darn right! It's not fair that someone over .200 is given the name for the line.
The fact he became a hitting coach is hilarious!
Why? A hitting instructor doesn't need to have batted over .300 to be a good hitting coach.
To be fair a .200 MLB average makes you one of the best hitters in the world
@@captaincarl8230 Cmon man....
Baseball is so f*cking strange that Mario Mendoza became a HITTING COACH.
Charlie Lau was also a hitting coach. He batted .255 for his career but taught George Brett how to bat .300.
@@captaincarl8230 That's nuts. Baseball is damn near paranormal at times.
@@SlugCult718 He also wrote a book titled "How to Bat .300". He was the top hitting instructor of his time back in the '80s and into the '90s.
@@captaincarl8230I've never been to med school, but I'm going to write a book on how to perform appendectomies at home for fun or profit.
But baseball is strange. You can have a .000 batting avg but have 100 rbi.
Well, that's because playing shortstop really isn't easy, being strong up the middle is more important than hitting --- you need a good fielder at that position-- and that's not easy to find.
Guys like Seager are gems you hold onto at all costs.
In 2011 back in 8th grade I had a teacher who’s husband Patrick Cassaday played in the Pirates minor league system in the early 1970’s
He would come in and talk baseball with me and he told me all about Mario Mendoza.
He met the guy in Pirates Spring camp one year and became good friends with him
While the "Mendoza Line" has come to mean .200, that's not what it meant when Mendoza was an active player. The way Paciorek, Botche, and Brett meant it was literally whatever Mendoza was hitting at the time. For a long time in the pre-internet days the Sunday sports papers had a column where they listed the current season stats of every MLB hitter that was getting regular playing time. This column was arranged in order of batting average, so the player with the highest average was at the top and the lowest average was at the bottom. The "Mendoza Line" was literally where Mario Mendoza was in that column. It's the sportswriters and (mainly) ESPN personalities in the decade after Mendoza retired that popularized the Menoza Line being .200.
Ozzie Smith was a career .262 hitter, he walked almost twice as much as he struck out, and he compiled 48.8 oWAR. He was not the stereotypical poor-hitting shortstop of the 1980's.
True, but he also had a Career OPS+ under 90 (finishing over 100 just 4 times in his 19 year career, which is the same amount of times he finished below 85 in full seasons) so he was a pretty weak hitter even with his walk rate for the time.
Bro Im Dead, The Rendon Line 😂😂😂😂
Man, this was so well done! I’ve been loving your baseball content
In Wisconsin we call it the Uecker line: career average .200.
Yeah, but he hit over the Himself line. More accurately, he hit over the Uecker line. Bob finished his career at .200, Mendoza finished at .215.
I don't know why they put the "Mendoza Line" at .200. He had a career average of .215.
As noted in the video, in his first full season *starting* he hit .198. The term was coined then, not after his career was over.
@@charlesclark3840 Thank you for the clarification.
"Mendoza Line" is back in my circles. Never going away.
Hell, I’d be happy to hit .200 in the bigs! At least I made it to the show!
7:33 "President Ben Franklin"
Am I being trolled
It's a bit over the top to suggest that the term Mendoza Line is "bullying". He was simply the classic case of a guy whose glove kept him in the majors with a bat that was stuck at minor-league level. As I recall, he split time with another light-hitting SS (Frank Taveras) while he was in Pittsburgh. Taveras was a faster runner if I'm not mistaken.
I never really knew much about him beyond the phrase. I can't help but think they stole his look for Napoleon dynamite
If you took Napoleon's glasses and put them on Pedro, you might have something. Otherwise, I'm not really seeing it.
the great bob uecker's lifetime average is .200. it's part of his routine.
At a 5-year run of .181, .199, .160, .177 and .164, just below the Mendoza Line is the Gallo Line.
Your videos are great! You deserve a lot more recognition.
It really by all rights should be known as the Uecker Line. Bob Uecker had a career BA of exactly .200 and given his lifelong self-deprecating sense of humor and baseball grace, would be a more fitting eponym for the standard of mediocrity.
Fond memories of Manos de Seda! Sure, his hitting was light, but he could patrol all the territory between second and third and very little ever got by him. He made the game exciting!
It's bizarre to me when people talk about a .960 fielding percentage as GOOD. My brother in Christ, .960 is baaaaaaaad. For a defensive specialist, he sure played pretty average defense! 😂
Um, Ben Franklin was never president. Cool video otherwise.
Woosh
thought i was experiencing the mandela effect
The Mendoza effect
In defense of Mario, Ozzie Smith hit around the Mendoza line several times in his career.
But Ozzie still got on base and was a good baserunner and stealer.
@@benn454 That’s true. Looking up Mendoza’s stats again, he was actually a terrible on base player. Not only could he not hit well, he rarely took walks and practically had no speed. He was good defensively and that was it.
The Chris Davis line made the Mendoza line obsolete.
Those White Sox uniforms….yikes.
I.... didn't know this at all, thank you.
The moment when this guy is the best player to come from your hometown 😭😔
At the end of the day, he was a professional baseball player. God bless him.
Do you understand how good you have to be to stay in the MLB when your main real contribution is the glove. This guy and a few others like him were certainly needed as MLB teams paid them good money for their defensive skills. If you think these guys were not wanted just ask a closer who they want playing SS in the 9th. Besides it is just baseball, if you can't hack the jokes and ribbing just stay home.
What’s funny is that people actually defend this “batting average don’t matter” bullshit because it clearly does. Baseball is not only at its best, but at its most popular, when people are hitting AND pitching. So yeah, batting average matters. It shows how good you are at getting base hits, regardless of what they are. It’s a valuable statistic. No one wants sub .240 hitters all over their team. Look at the Yankees and their fans. Joey Gallo is the best example of why this doesn’t work. Joey Gallo would’ve been better if he would’ve hit the ball instead of trying to launch it into orbit every single swing. Same with Giancarlo Stanton.
He was the Raphael Belliard of the 70s
Its the Gallo line now.
He may be considered amongst the worst, but him being the worst of the BEST means that he can school ppl still
Dude made it to the big house after all
The back story is nonsense. It dates long before George Brett and Chris Berman. It derived from fans reading the listings of batting averages laid out in a full page in the Sunday sports section of their city's newspapers in the mid 70s when Mendoza was consistently at or near the bottom. ESPN didn't even exist until the Fall of 1979.
Who bullied him? Misuse of that term .......Reported
Great video
Not bullied ribbed. He probably could care less
Dal Maxville was a low hitting shortstop
Wow never new
Man those uniforms in the 70s were hot garbage.
Mark Belanger, Orioles SS who has one of the best dWar in MLB history, but struggled to reach .200 yearly.,
**Strangely he hit over .300 versus Nolan Ryan**
Bel-angerrr
He was great!
What do you mean by bullied?
President Franklin?
Well, it’s pretty easy for a President’s approval rating not to dip below .200 when they were never President. It’s like Garrett Cole never striking me out, even though I’ve never faced him, or any pitcher. 😂
Wish he talks about college baseball
The Mendoza Line can be retired. We can call it the K man line after Kyle Schwarber. He hit .196 with 222 Ks last year. K man line.
You’re conveniently leaving out his 47 homers and 104 rbi. And the phillies made it to the nlds. So maybe find another example. 😂
MENDOZAAAAAA
pretty cool to be a largely irrelevant player immortalized in the lexicon imo
Mario had a good glove
MENDOZAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
McBain
Something else, one time a good hitting pitcher, Ken Bret, Geroge Bret's brother, actually pinch hit for him in a crucial Pirates game. If I recall correctly Bret hit a pop fly to the first baseman.
haha the average average haha
Bullied? Lmao no
Max Muncy of the Dodgers has 3 seasons batting below .200, a career .228 hitter over 9 seasons, yet is a well respected player in the league, and would be a highly sought after free agent. Defense and power will supercede avg. In today's MLB.
In 2023,
The batting average was 248?!?!?
I know i haven't been watching baseball as much as I use to;
But I think the average for baseball would be minimum 280 -305.
Right around there.
Why are the batting averages SO LOW in today's baseball?!?!?🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Hank Arron had a career 305 average. I wanna say that's around top hundred ever to play the game.
Ever heard the joke...If you fail 7 out of 10 times in baseball you're a hall of famer?
You are mis-remembering. The '84 Tigers won 104 games and the world series in 5 games with a team batting average of .271. The best team BA that year was .283 (Red Sox). The overall MLB BA that year was .260.
@@brianj7858 Honestly, hitting .305 over such a long career with that many dingers is insane.
I hearby coin the phrase, "Biden line".
It's crazy to think that just a few decades ago there were only a few guys who ever hit below .200 in a full season, nowadays you can have one team with multiple guys that hit below .200
The thumbnail is Napolean Dynamite x Pedro
The guy was a really slick fielder. If he was able to hit around .230 he would have been a star in his time.
9:49, a small correction. He’s called the Pirate Parrot, not the Pittsburgh Parrot. Hope it helps. Nice video.
The Gallo line is even lower
I had to check, i had no idea his career avg is .196. And his ops stinks too. Makes me wonder why he’s in the majors…
@@tweezerjamFeast or Famine..he can hit homeruns
Austin Barnes can relate. His defense and Clayton Kershaw have kept him in the majors for years
Mario Mendoza is a butt of jokes, but it hardly amounts to "bullying." This is a misleading clickbait headline. Just how did he "revolutionize the shortstop position?" Mario Mendoza had a career major league batting average that was 3 points higher than that of Dave Nicholson, who had tremendous power. I can think of three infielders who had considerably worse career averages than Mendoza: Casey Wise in the 1950s (.174), Ray Oyler in the '60s (.175), and John Vukovich in the '70s (.161).
Yeah, and none of those guys have been immortalized in a term that means that they suck at hitting. That’s why the title of the video is, yeah, a little hyperbolic, but still pretty fitting.
You're joking about Ben Franklin right? He was never a president.
Wrong
@@NathanCline12-21 Wrong...about Old Ben? I think it can be easily proved lol.
@woden22 there were presidents before George Washington
@@NathanCline12-21where did you go to college- trump university?
Presidents before George Washington
Peyton Randolph: Sep. 5 - Oct. 22, 1774
Henry Middleton: Oct. 22 - Oct. 26, 1774
Peyton Randolph: May 10 - May 24, 1775
John Hancock: May 24, 1775 - Oct. 31, 1777
Henry Laurens: Nov. 1, 1777 - Dec. 9, 1778
John Jay: Dec. 10, 1778 - Sep. 27, 1779
Samuel Huntington: Sep. 28, 1779 - Mar. 1, 1781
Samuel Huntington: Mar. 2 - July 6, 1781
Thomas McKean: July 10 - Oct. 23, 1781
John Hanson: Nov. 5, 1781 - Nov. 3, 1782
Elias Boudinot: Nov. 4, 1782-Nov. 3, 1783
Thomas Mifflin: Nov. 3, 1783 - Nov. 30, 1784
Richard Henry Lee: Nov. 30, 1784 - Nov. 4, 1785
John Hancock: Nov. 23, 1785 - June 5, 1786
Nathaniel Gorham: June 6, 1786 - Feb. 2, 1787
Arthur St. Clair: Feb. 2 - Oct. 5, 1787
Cyrus Griffin: Jan. 22, 1788 - Mar. 2, 1789
The Mendoza Line wasn't a joke about being a terrible hitter (at least when it was first used), as much as mark of the lowest avg you could have and still make the team and/or start *if* you could offset it with great fielding. If you could only hit noticably lower than Mendoza, your fielding skills would not save you.
2:15 - That's "newly-founded" (not "newly-found").
2:01 what's up with the pony?
Never heard of the "Mendoza line" in my life.
Really? I mean, it's barely brought up anymore tbh. I guess that's the point of this vid haha
It was very famous in the 1980s
Do you watch or listen to baseball? I’m in the NY market and it’s always been a sports cliche and saturated in baseball jargon and lexicon with the announcers here like Michael Kay and John Sterling using it a lot.
@@willpomeroy7711 I just watch my home team's games when I can. I don't follow the rest of the league, or watch any of the weekly wrap-up shows on ESPN, etc.
They need to change the terminology to the Hedge(s) line.
Perhaps the name could be changed to the Pujols or Luis line.
Luis Pujols and Luis Gonzalez: "What?!"
It was a little sarcastic but he became famous for being a bad hitter and being so good at fielding he could still stay in the lineup for years. I don't think anyone hated him. Middle infielders like that used to be pretty common.
I don't get or like the overall apparent lessening of importance of batting average in today's game. Why how often a player gets a hit wouldn't be a telling stat is beyond me. Now I do get how the win stat has lost importance. Any stat where a reliever could come into a game theoretically throw one pitch and come away with the win is going to lose value.
I had a classmate named Mendoza we used to rag on him 🤣🤣🤣 he was a good kid tho he eventually became successful after high school I haven't talked to him in a few years I hope all is well Alex
As long as you hit 20 hrs in today's watered down version of baseball you will have a job while hitting .200 and being a lousy fielder.
Hey the guy played nine years in the majors that is quite accomplishment in itself.
Of course he was a Mariner
Mariner
He also played one of the two most important positions on the field defensively, which are shortstop and catcher. The Pittsburgh Pirates were a good hitting team that could afford to carry a light-hitting Mendoza because his defense at shortstop was as good or better than numerous other shortstops in the league, including his teammate Frank Taveras, sometimes replacing him for defensive purposes late in games and getting the occasional start. Wherever he played, he was known to be an exemplary teammate.
If i remember right he was a vaccuum cleaner at short.
People cleaned the floor with him?
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Ben Franklin was never president. Down vote.
They don't give a damn about batting average today...
How much is his rookie?
HOW DO THEY CALL IT TODAY
THE MONEY BALL LINE
You should look up the Tigers Ray Oyler. He could only aspire to make it to the Mendoza line.
The Mendoza line gets you a 100 mil payday. Salute Mendoza‼️🫡💯 made it easy for everybody to get paid