Only discovered HDR with my iPhone 12 Pro yesterday and this almost as mind blowing to me as when I discovered Hifi audio at age 8. Now that I know HDR, everything else looks like it’s on a 90s crt running analogue CATY. Subbed!
In Tv world LG is like a Ferrari compare to others.Just one tv Lg Rx65 rollable signature oled is more advanced,worth more and more state of the art than whole Samsung 2020 tv line up.
Hi, great analysis! Can you test the HDR simulated on iPhone with LCD display like XR or 11? I just want to know the differences compare to the OLED ones
Hi Vincent, long time watcher, occasional commenter. Do you think we’ll see affordable mastering tv’s / monitors in the near future? I’d love to have a 27” mastering monitor for my editing work but can’t really justify anything above £500, as a hobbyist. Thanks for all the amazing content over the years 😊
I know you did one for the Sony Xperia 1, but they released the Xperia 1 ii earlier this year. would you be able to do a similar comparison for that phone?
Would love to see more of phone display reviews. This is exactly the content I've been looking for. Since I base my decision of which smartphone to buy largely on the display and color management, since I need acurate media consumption and editing on the fly for work. Only other channel I know who touches this topic is "Erica The Technology Nerd", but she doesn't post as much. Looking forward to calibration tips, like in your Note 10 video as well. Thanks for the video, subbed.
@@ewcho8995 Yeah thats why you want phone like iPhone 12 that is already pretty much color calibrated from factory since like buying an iMac no controls to really adjust anything other than brightness!
I would love to see what you think of the Note 20 Ultra Screen. I have both the 12 Pro Max and the Note 2OU and the Samsung HDR looks been better (and brighter specular highlights)! Also, question:- do you know why OLED phones can reach much better peak brightness (Note 20U reaches 1600+ nits) than TVs and also don't have ABL? Is it because pixel size on TV needs more power?
Although I didn't understand much of the technical charts and information, I was very impressed with the basic information provided. I was especially grateful for the tip on turning of the auto brightness. I hope that holds true on the 12 Pro Max as well (waiting to pre-order on Friday). Thanks!
I don't know you guys, but my iPhone 12 Pro Max has a yellow shift (even with true tone off).. Whites are warmer, blues are more greenish and so on. You guys noticed the same? I have all my displays calibrated for work and my iPhone is the only one that's off. It really sucks as I use it for work stuffs as well.. how come your test shows that's perfectly color accurate? Cheers
Hopefully future updates would allow dolby vision captured videos from the 12pro to be easily streamed from the iphone to dolby vision compatible tvs....great content and review Mr. Teoh! More power to your channel.
People are talking about screens being too warm on 12. Now I know they’re just more accurate than the ones on 11. You should rename your video iPhone 12 display color accuracy, because a lot of people are concerned with their screens. Thanks for the great content!
Yeah its because most people have gotten used to crazy inaccurate displays that usually run cooler than the standard D65 whitepoint, which will appear warm unless you used to it, I know it took me a while to get used to warmer color on my TV after I professionally calibrated to correct D65 whitepoint!
Oh yeah, that would be awesome. It was one of the first movies I watched on an HDR TV and I also remember the picture quality to be excellent with lots of nice HDR scenes.
Godzilla has one of the worst picture quality I have seen on a 4K disc. Transformers 5: Last Knight, Pacific Rim, Dunkirk, Interstellar, Gemini man etc are all much better.
@Vincent I’ve read reports Plex beta on a Shield TV can play back footage from iPhone 12 with Dolby Vision (profile 8.4) I do not have this setup to verify
Hey Vincent. Question for you. How does the white point stack up against the reference monitor on the iPhones? The reason I ask is I have an LG CX, i1D3 Pro Plus, and my iPhone 13 i use for a perceptual match to the whitepoint. The whitepoint on the iphone 13 is greenish, reminds me of dcip3 when i calibrated my mackbook pro retina display to x.314, y.351. The dark scenes are more blue on my cx and more green on iphone even tho they are calibrated to a very close perceptually matched white point. My coordinates to match the iPhone 13 came out to x.3105, y.345 on my CX. With a CCT of 6506K. Do you have any whitepoint offsets for a CX with i1Display Pro Plus through Calman Home for LG? For a proper reference white?
According to The Verge, iPhone 12 Pro uses Dolby Vision's latest 'Profile 8.4" which isn't supported by many existing TVs. New TVs (and existing models after OTA update) should support Dolby Vision HDR videos from new iPhones
Would you please do a comparation between got 4k bluray and the terrible streaming quality? The stream version has a ton of black crush, banding and so on
Hi Vincent. I downloaded the iphone sample file Валерий Заподовников provided to a windows 10 machine and copied it straight to a usb stick. The file plays back in Dolby Vision from the usb flash drive on a 77CX on the internal LG Video and Fotos app.
iPhone 12 Pro’s are currently having OLED issues. You need to be in a pitch black environment to see this. Then open RUclips and type in black screen or bleed test, doesn’t matter as long as the screen is all black while it’s on. At 100% brightness the oled blacks are working as they should but anything lower than that you start seeing a grey hue effect sometimes flickering. Please start talking about this issue more and spread the word so apple can address this issue! Most people are saying it could be resolved in a software update but who knows! The point is if you paid over $1k for a product which advertised OLED you should be getting just that!
@@Malinkadink I think its a plain old defect. Reason being is because the previous iphones did not have this issue. OLEDS should have pure blacks regardless of what brightness setting you use. Otherwise its false advertisement.
@@Welcomepimpoforigin I was used to some glow on dark screen with non OLED iphones so i guess im not bothered by it now on an 11 pro or just never noticed.
Sony's been marketing the Xperia 1 III as comparable to its reference displays. The last Xperia wasn't quite able to match Apple's iPhone, it would be interesting to see how the latest mark III stacks up.
UPDATE: Spoke to Apple Support. They say 4k HDR playback through AirPlay is currently only supported on Apple TV 4k, not smart TVs. May become available in a future update. For now, you can use the workaround below: ---- I'm currently talking to Apple about getting Dolby Vision playback to work on TVs through AirPlay; will update when I get a result. Until then, this is what I've done as a workaround (requires iCloud Drive): 1. In the Photos app, select the video and tap the Share icon. Select "Save to Files", and choose a folder within iCloud Drive to save it to. 2. Open your iCloud Drive folder on a computer (I used a Mac but hopefully should work on Windows as well, if you have iCloud). Navigate to the folder you saved the video to. The video should appear there once syncing is complete. 3. Copy the video file to a USB drive and plug it into the TV (I'm using an LG C9). It should playback in Dolby Vision.
Apparently the issue with Dolby Vision is that Apple uses the "8.4" profile which is relatively new and not well supported by many displays. I'm sure firmware updates will be forthcoming...
Is there a technical reason why a smaller screen like the iphone's doesn't need ABL while a larger screen like the LG CX does? I would've thought they'd both be at risk of similar levels of burn in regardless of screen size but I'm no electrical engineer.
Yeah interesting question. The not so old oleds on phones don’t suffer any burn in though the content on the phones is anything but ideal. While being brighter than tvs
ABL is usually there to control heat. Which is why the top end Panasonic OLED goes brighter than all other consumer oleds as it has a better heat sink.
Some people on the blog that I've read said that they have found a way to play Dolby Vision HDR from the iPhone 12 series using the LG TV Plus app from the appstore. I tried it on my LG C8 and it showed "HLG HDR" not "Dolby Vision". But some of them have updated tv's like LG C9 and CX and it show it in Dolby Vision. Worth the try I guess.
hmmm, hinting to “blue” movies there vincent? lol. If you want to move the Dolby vision content over to your TV you might try so send the raw file to windows the use a usb stick to the lg oled. just a suggestion, it might not work.
@@hdtvtest damn, had the idea since i can easily get HDR torrents that play nice over usb, usually HEVC/x265/MPEG-H the biggest yet have been JohnWick 2017 at 78Mbit/s.
I tried to play Dolby Vision Airplay to the LG CX and yeah it only plays as HDR.... ill try to figure this out if I come with something ill definitely let you know
I'm curious what Vincent does for a living. It seems display technology is his passion and if he is no longer calibrating, what does he do other than produce awesome RUclips content.
@@branchprediction9923 Its not really important who makes it, for display panels what matters is what the panel quality is rated at and apple only buys A+ for their devices, maybe A for some lower tier products. The calibration is most definitely handled on Apples part though there could be some base calibration done at factory.
@@Malinkadink yeah but there were some oled panels that had a green tint when viewing dark grey content. This was much worse on lg's panels than on samsung's panels
To play Dolby Vision files (or any other media) in Windows 10 just right click the file, select "Cast To Device" then select your TV from the list. This works for me with a Sony XH90, I'm also able to cast to other devices on my network.
I think you could technically force the Apple TV 4K to play a Dolby Vision video shot from iPhone 12. You would need to turn on Dolby Vision in settings and turn off match content dynamic range. This would basically put everything through their DV profile. I have no idea if this would impact color accuracy but it does work
I am able to view videos shot on my iPhone 12 Pro in Dolby Vision on my Panasonic GX800 TV by using the free Panasonic Remote 2 app. It streams video clips from the Camera Roll on the iPhone directly to the TV (like AirPlay). The Dolby Vision flag pops up on-screen on the TV as soon as the video starts playing.
Vincent please review the TCL X915 8k 75inch Tv. I intend to buy one to use with the PS5 and my PC gamer 2080TI but i am waiting for your review to see if it will be good for me.
I don't know about the Apple ecosystem, but with Android, the answer is no. I know you can put an adjustment layer (overlay) on top of the existing look, but its not the same. And you'll have the same issues, as with any other overlay app.
Hi Vincent, is there any news on the Update that Samsung just pushed down to the Q90r I have? I have no idea what it does. Ver 1371. I'm hoping its to allow 4k 120fps through its single HDMI 2.1 port. Would be greatful for any help. Thanks!
With HDR content on youtube you don't need to disable auto brightness, only dial it to max. With no any other content or in the menus the iPhone only goes to max brightness (even with the setting manually max out) if you have a strong light hitting the display or disable auto.
Many reviews of the iPhone 12 says that Apple uses Dolby Vision Profile 8.4 when you record any video in DV. Apple TV 4K doesn’t use the newer codec. They will need to update it in their next tvOS. Any displays out there support DV profile 8.4?
What about the iPhone 12 Pro besides popularity made you choose it to be tested against a reference monitor, given that there are many high-end OLED smartphones that exceed 1000 nits peak HDR brightness?
So what I got from this video is that the future of OLED is smaller, brighter screens instead of bigger hotter ones. Guess that's a really good argument for 30" 4K OLED monitors. If an OLED monitor can achieve 1000nits full field and lasts at least a couple years before burning out then that's what I'd buy (just add a couple of HDMI2.1 ports and we are golden.)
Does OLED have trouble reproducing white compared to LCD? Many people including me notice yellow tint to iPhone 12 Pro and Pro Max. Turning off True Tint and Night Shift helps a bit. Fiddling with Color filter under Accessibility helps a bit. The white of my 7 plus is much whiter IMHO. Looking at other older iPhone models in store it looks like the LCD models have better whites than the OLED Models.
DXOmark noticed the yellow tint also, tho overall they like the screen very much. There is also an active Apple forum about the color shift. www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-12-pro-display-review-smooth-light-transitions/
@@artmaltman Yellow vs pink cast just more people not used to D65 vs D75 whitepoint from what I read in that review. Guessing it will be more noticeable and bug people switching from Android phone as a 7 plus. Clearly confirms iPhone correctly follows gamma curve not crushing blacks in video in that review and color accuracy results shows iPhone still more accurate similar to Vincent's excellent technical review in this video also confirms. Also lot of the test were run with blue light filter on which of course is going to give warmer yellow image overall. Seems that website is bias towards Android phones that run at brighter and incorrect whitepoint which leads to bluish cast on full white as they noticed for the phone they gave best rating in display category: "The Samsung Galaxy Note20 Ultra 5G presented a blue cast when playing video content, and that blue cast was evident in skin tones as well. You can see a hint of that blue cast in the photo below" especially in the white areas. Not to mention other major flaws noted on top rated Android phone, Blue light filter does not reduce blue light, Colors are oversaturated. So many people used to devices showing inaccurate colors that when they see accurate colors will come somewhat as a shock. I always tell people that if you like warmer colors go Apple otherwise if you like cooler colors on your phone go Android. Finally, Apple devices will always tend toward warmer white point compared to Android since they concentrate color accuracy more on the red color space that includes both skin and organic tones which if wrong will lead to sickly looking people. www.displaymate.com/Color_Accuracy_ShootOut_1.htm
@@jaimem1788 Excellent points, especially the D65 vs D75. I'm a photographer and when ever I calibrate my monitor I prefer visually D75 over D65, BUT if I retouch on a D75 screen then my results will look too warm to my eye (and perhaps my clients eyes) on other devices. Realistically I should use D65 for retouching and D75 for other tasks but then D65 would look odd to me while retouching. I think your point though is that what I might be complaining about on my iPhone 12 Max Pro is a d65 screen, which actually should be perfectly acceptable as a delivered white point on iPhone regardless of my preference. I will always wonder about that since I don't have a way to measure it. I was happy with the white on my iPhone 7+ and after various color tint adjustments, I'm happy with the white point on my new iPhone 12 Max Pro as well. Thankfully I don't plan to edit professional work on the iPhone!
Despite being an OLED display, why does it seem like iPhone pro screens do not seem to suffer burn in, epically considering the static icons constantly being displayed, mainly on the Home Screen?
No mention of Dolby Vision playback ability on Apple website only 4K HDR: "Up to 4K HDR AirPlay for mirroring, photos, and video out to Apple TV (2nd generation or later) or AirPlay 2-enabled smart TV" maybe try copying dolby vision recording from iPhone 12 to usb stick and see if it will play back DV via USB stick on TV?
@@hdtvtest According to this video Apple TV need to be running in Dolby Vision mode all the time for it to work, which wouldn't be ideal, since would force all your other non-DV video and pics into DV. But yeah seems TV's will need firmware update to new Dolby Vision Profile 8.4 for it to work properly, otherwise will be converted down to HLG or SDR instead of DV. ruclips.net/video/71m3SDGa220/видео.html
@@hdtvtest Yup unless you are using an iPad Pro which uses specially tuned LCD to cut out some of the blue as shown here: iPad Pro 9.7 instead use specially tuned Red and Green phosphors to optimally transform the light for the chosen saturated Red and Green primaries. www.displaymate.com/Spectra_35.html
Already been done years ago here and shows why iPad Pro LCD better than your normal LCD since they use custom phospors giving more accurate light spectrum hence more accurate colors: "Wide Color Gamut LCDs like the iPad Pro 9.7 instead use specially tuned Red and Green phosphors to optimally transform the light" www.displaymate.com/Spectra_35.html
It's a personal preference. Many people will prefer brighter, but since OLED has the edge on contrast even at a lower brightness it is what I like. I personally can't stand bright scenes on a crazy brightness TV.
I wish they made a 24" size 4k OLED monitor HDR1000, DCI-P3 98% and similar specs as the iphone 12 pro screen and price it around 500$, and with the burn-in issue fully solved. That would be really cool! Don't know how many years that would take.
@tirapalla Yea I dono man, the LG CX48 comes very close, and it is 1500$ around, if they just half the size of that to 24" (or at least 32") and give it for 1000$, it looks highly doable. I think there is just no such demand for computer monitors, and the burn in issue is there too. They did it on phones as small as the iphone 12 pro and on the LG CX TVs. I just need that inbetween size.
@@redi6460 Definitely not apple first, lol. They usually come in only after the market is mature with the idea. LG, Samsung, or BenQ could be good starters for this kina thing.
Junky228 LG, for its phones and TVs, uses an RGB sandwich to create white light, and then uses color filters to create red, green, blue and white. Samsungs approach is RGB no filters it's purer and brighter
It's weird that RUclips hasn't enabled HDR on iOS yet, but have enabled 2160p on the app even though no iPhone has a 4K display. My iPhone SE now has 8 times more data to process/downscale and the A13 handles it without breaking a sweat. Thanks to this, compression artefacts is much less apparant. What is your experience with the RUclips 4K downscaling on iOS?
Yellow tint is due to it being that accurate, warmer displays tend to be more accurate, which is why when calibrating TV’s you select Warm 2 or a Warm setting and not a cool or neutral one.
Funny that a phone screen is more accurate than most TVs...DV version is different on the LG TV that’s why you can’t play it if I remember right, too many DV variants, kinda lame
prolly has something to do with the production method/cost. If you would make panels 55" and up the price wouldn't be viable even with mass production, just some guessing though
Try using a physical Apple TV. I don't think the built in apple tv software in LG TVs is the same and Apple would definitely limit Dolby vision to their own devices if it meant selling more of them or if LG wasn't willing to pay a ridiculous amount for it
How can you have Dolby Vision on HLG? Even FCP and Compressor apps will force HLG if you check off Dolby Vision for export. I exported an HLG with Dolby Vision clip out of FCP/Compressor, and when I played it back on my Sony X950H TV, it activates Dolby Vision, but because the file is HLG and not ST.2084, it looks identical to if you manually forced HDR10 on a Sony while watching HLG...it broken. What TV's actually accept and playback Dolby Vision with HLG instead of PQ?
The only display expert on RUclips I trust 💯
What about QA
@@sleepingbeautywhiteheart1095 Who is QA?
VillaMan
Oh, you never heard of rtings.com
@@philipsk rting has huge relations with companies
I get a smile on my face everytime my screen suddenly switches to HDR mode while scrolling through my subbox :D
subbox?
@@PSXuploads He’s dumb
@@cia4gent128 no u
@@cia4gent128 What?
I'd love you to do same analysis of the Dolby Vision camera. How good is it at recording Dolby Vision. Great video!
The problemis, as he mentioned, there is not an easy way to pull off the true Dolby Vision file from the phone
Your content is top notch, you really should have way more subscribers.
Only discovered HDR with my iPhone 12 Pro yesterday and this almost as mind blowing to me as when I discovered Hifi audio at age 8. Now that I know HDR, everything else looks like it’s on a 90s crt running analogue CATY.
Subbed!
blue is the coolest color - got it ^^ :D
I watched Vincent before I decided to buy a new tv. Needless to say his advice helped me immensely and now I am a proud LG owner :)
Yes LG is the best in the market today and in the future so far
In Tv world LG is like a Ferrari compare to others.Just one tv Lg Rx65 rollable signature oled is more advanced,worth more and more state of the art than whole Samsung 2020 tv line up.
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Vincent for professional reviews
Phones to TVs
Any display technology ; hope one day Laptops also 😎🔥💯
I'm watching this HDR video on my MSI Creator 17 which has a 1000 nits MiniLED display ;)
To copy the Dolby Vision video to a PC using USB try enabling “Keep Originals” under the Transfer to PC settings in Settings > Photos.
Ex-Professional Calibrator??? Has Vincent been banned from calibration 😱
yes he was too accurate
na he is a master brator now
youtube is better money and fun for him, i assume
I'm glad he was able to make the jump to hyperspace
@@GraveUypo I think with a good workload he could earn $100-200k by calibrating professionally so probably not
Please review the iPhone 14 Pro Max display quality!
I love the iPhone 12 Pro's 4x optical zoom in a thin smartphone, photo layers, and OLED screen are nice.
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Not to mention LIDAR
Great to have these reviews with proper technical assessment and reference, many thanks
Hi Vince, i cant wait to see your eventual iPhone 13 video!, im especially interested since its 120hz. id love to see some motion tests and input lag.
Hi, great analysis! Can you test the HDR simulated on iPhone with LCD display like XR or 11? I just want to know the differences compare to the OLED ones
Hi Vincent, long time watcher, occasional commenter. Do you think we’ll see affordable mastering tv’s / monitors in the near future? I’d love to have a 27” mastering monitor for my editing work but can’t really justify anything above £500, as a hobbyist. Thanks for all the amazing content over the years 😊
Any updates on this video now that the iPhone 12 mini and iPhone 12 Pro are out? Thanks! Awesome video as always!
I know you did one for the Sony Xperia 1, but they released the Xperia 1 ii earlier this year. would you be able to do a similar comparison for that phone?
I second this
@@Sai-P I third this, he knows people from Sony, maybe they can give him a review unit
honestly it probably wont be as good as the 12 pro display
@@ewcho8995 Although Sony's picture calibration is the best in the business, but they use Samsung's old AMOLED technology, not SRGB.
Would love to see more of phone display reviews. This is exactly the content I've been looking for. Since I base my decision of which smartphone to buy largely on the display and color management, since I need acurate media consumption and editing on the fly for work. Only other channel I know who touches this topic is "Erica The Technology Nerd", but she doesn't post as much. Looking forward to calibration tips, like in your Note 10 video as well.
Thanks for the video, subbed.
i dont think iphones can be calibrated. They have no controls for it
@@ewcho8995 Yeah thats why you want phone like iPhone 12 that is already pretty much color calibrated from factory since like buying an iMac no controls to really adjust anything other than brightness!
I would love to see what you think of the Note 20 Ultra Screen.
I have both the 12 Pro Max and the Note 2OU and the Samsung HDR looks been better (and brighter specular highlights)!
Also, question:- do you know why OLED phones can reach much better peak brightness (Note 20U reaches 1600+ nits) than TVs and also don't have ABL? Is it because pixel size on TV needs more power?
Because Note 20 note not as accurate and crushes blacks compared to iPhone 12.
Amazing video Vincent, thank you so much. I would love to see an iPad with a display like this.
Although I didn't understand much of the technical charts and information, I was very impressed with the basic information provided. I was especially grateful for the tip on turning of the auto brightness. I hope that holds true on the 12 Pro Max as well (waiting to pre-order on Friday). Thanks!
I don't know you guys, but my iPhone 12 Pro Max has a yellow shift (even with true tone off).. Whites are warmer, blues are more greenish and so on. You guys noticed the same? I have all my displays calibrated for work and my iPhone is the only one that's off. It really sucks as I use it for work stuffs as well.. how come your test shows that's perfectly color accurate? Cheers
Why not try the sony xperia 1 mark 2 ? Or the galaxy note 20 ultra . Especially xperia is meant for video consumption
Hopefully future updates would allow dolby vision captured videos from the 12pro to be easily streamed from the iphone to dolby vision compatible tvs....great content and review Mr. Teoh! More power to your channel.
People are talking about screens being too warm on 12. Now I know they’re just more accurate than the ones on 11. You should rename your video iPhone 12 display color accuracy, because a lot of people are concerned with their screens. Thanks for the great content!
Yeah its because most people have gotten used to crazy inaccurate displays that usually run cooler than the standard D65 whitepoint, which will appear warm unless you used to it, I know it took me a while to get used to warmer color on my TV after I professionally calibrated to correct D65 whitepoint!
I would love a hdr analysis on Godzilla king of monsters I still remember a lot of the highlights in the movie because they were so bright.
Haha are you blind now?
Heck yea Godzilla had awesome HDR!
@@gamingwithdummies3960 Nice I also want to see it.
Oh yeah, that would be awesome. It was one of the first movies I watched on an HDR TV and I also remember the picture quality to be excellent with lots of nice HDR scenes.
Godzilla has one of the worst picture quality I have seen on a 4K disc. Transformers 5: Last Knight, Pacific Rim, Dunkirk, Interstellar, Gemini man etc are all much better.
I would love to hear your thoughts on the miniLED iPad
@Vincent I’ve read reports Plex beta on a Shield TV can play back footage from iPhone 12 with Dolby Vision (profile 8.4) I do not have this setup to verify
Hey Vincent. Question for you. How does the white point stack up against the reference monitor on the iPhones?
The reason I ask is I have an LG CX, i1D3 Pro Plus, and my iPhone 13 i use for a perceptual match to the whitepoint. The whitepoint on the iphone 13 is greenish, reminds me of dcip3 when i calibrated my mackbook pro retina display to x.314, y.351.
The dark scenes are more blue on my cx and more green on iphone even tho they are calibrated to a very close perceptually matched white point. My coordinates to match the iPhone 13 came out to x.3105, y.345 on my CX. With a CCT of 6506K.
Do you have any whitepoint offsets for a CX with i1Display Pro Plus through Calman Home for LG? For a proper reference white?
According to The Verge, iPhone 12 Pro uses Dolby Vision's latest 'Profile 8.4" which isn't supported by many existing TVs. New TVs (and existing models after OTA update) should support Dolby Vision HDR videos from new iPhones
Would you please do a comparation between got 4k bluray and the terrible streaming quality? The stream version has a ton of black crush, banding and so on
Hi Vincent. I downloaded the iphone sample file Валерий Заподовников provided to a windows 10 machine and copied it straight to a usb stick. The file plays back in Dolby Vision from the usb flash drive on a 77CX on the internal LG Video and Fotos app.
iPhone 12 Pro’s are currently having OLED issues. You need to be in a pitch black environment to see this. Then open RUclips and type in black screen or bleed test, doesn’t matter as long as the screen is all black while it’s on. At 100% brightness the oled blacks are working as they should but anything lower than that you start seeing a grey hue effect sometimes flickering. Please start talking about this issue more and spread the word so apple can address this issue! Most people are saying it could be resolved in a software update but who knows! The point is if you paid over $1k for a product which advertised OLED you should be getting just that!
It might be intended to some degree as you dont want to underuse some OLED pixels while always using others as that will give you uneven wear.
@@Malinkadink I think its a plain old defect. Reason being is because the previous iphones did not have this issue. OLEDS should have pure blacks regardless of what brightness setting you use. Otherwise its false advertisement.
@@Welcomepimpoforigin I was used to some glow on dark screen with non OLED iphones so i guess im not bothered by it now on an 11 pro or just never noticed.
PLEASE review the picture quality of the Sony Xperia 1 II.
5:42 It is now possible to do this with Davinci Resolve and in HDR mode.
6:32 Yup, can confirm in 2023. On iPhone 14 Pro Max HDR, that unicorn looks stunning in HDR on YT app
Excellent analysis Vincent.
Sony's been marketing the Xperia 1 III as comparable to its reference displays. The last Xperia wasn't quite able to match Apple's iPhone, it would be interesting to see how the latest mark III stacks up.
Realy dude? I see the comparison. The white on iphone so yellowish 🤣
Ive been watching so much I even find your serious videos hilarious now
Vincent the colour scientists👨🔬 The best period on RUclips.!! I mean he shares his knowledge for free.
I enjoyed watching this on my old S9+'s screen, with Atmos audio.
UPDATE: Spoke to Apple Support. They say 4k HDR playback through AirPlay is currently only supported on Apple TV 4k, not smart TVs. May become available in a future update. For now, you can use the workaround below:
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I'm currently talking to Apple about getting Dolby Vision playback to work on TVs through AirPlay; will update when I get a result. Until then, this is what I've done as a workaround (requires iCloud Drive):
1. In the Photos app, select the video and tap the Share icon. Select "Save to Files", and choose a folder within iCloud Drive to save it to.
2. Open your iCloud Drive folder on a computer (I used a Mac but hopefully should work on Windows as well, if you have iCloud). Navigate to the folder you saved the video to. The video should appear there once syncing is complete.
3. Copy the video file to a USB drive and plug it into the TV (I'm using an LG C9). It should playback in Dolby Vision.
What TV?
@@Rhcpbedders LG C9
Apparently the issue with Dolby Vision is that Apple uses the "8.4" profile which is relatively new and not well supported by many displays. I'm sure firmware updates will be forthcoming...
Is there a technical reason why a smaller screen like the iphone's doesn't need ABL while a larger screen like the LG CX does? I would've thought they'd both be at risk of similar levels of burn in regardless of screen size but I'm no electrical engineer.
Yeah interesting question. The not so old oleds on phones don’t suffer any burn in though the content on the phones is anything but ideal. While being brighter than tvs
ABL is usually there to control heat. Which is why the top end Panasonic OLED goes brighter than all other consumer oleds as it has a better heat sink.
They have have ABL. When I crank brightness on full field white it dims after a bit.
@@EDIIIZ no they dont. My 11 pro max has remained on full brightness for months now. Never goes down
@@ewcho8995 nice. You are using your phone with a full field white screen for months? Great job.
Maybe the Oppo udp-203 can play the videos in Dolby Vision?
Superb video Vincent, thank you.
I'm curious to know how it compares to Note 20 Ultra
Some people on the blog that I've read said that they have found a way to play Dolby Vision HDR from the iPhone 12 series using the LG TV Plus app from the appstore. I tried it on my LG C8 and it showed "HLG HDR" not "Dolby Vision". But some of them have updated tv's like LG C9 and CX and it show it in Dolby Vision. Worth the try I guess.
hmmm, hinting to “blue” movies there vincent? lol.
If you want to move the Dolby vision content over to your TV you might try so send the raw file to windows the use a usb stick to the lg oled. just a suggestion, it might not work.
Have tried... it gets downconverted to SDR.
@@hdtvtest damn, had the idea since i can easily get HDR torrents that play nice over usb, usually HEVC/x265/MPEG-H the biggest yet have been JohnWick 2017 at 78Mbit/s.
I have lots of ideas that don’t work, (or I get told they don’t work)
I’m waiting on pro max release, but interested in viewing iPhone dolby vision video on my Sony’s A1e oled tv. Hope that will be possible?!
Tried playing them through plex? I have some Dolby vision test files that trigger Dolby vision on my LG oled when played
I tried to play Dolby Vision Airplay to the LG CX and yeah it only plays as HDR.... ill try to figure this out if I come with something ill definitely let you know
But Dolby Vision is HDR..?
Plays in Dolby Vision on the Apple TV 4K. My recommendation rather than using smart tv software :)
This guy is a boss! thanks for the info. Any videos for why I shouldn't get a new Sony Master series OLED vs Samsung or LG (CX) etc
I'm curious what Vincent does for a living. It seems display technology is his passion and if he is no longer calibrating, what does he do other than produce awesome RUclips content.
i would love to see a picture settings video for the Sony 900H to get the best out of this TV
Rtings.com has them already. (They are good friends of Vincent)
TLDW: iPhone displays are a cut above the rest in color accuracy.
Their made by samsung, tho calibration is done by apple i think
Samsung makes the best smartphone oled panels
@@branchprediction9923 Its not really important who makes it, for display panels what matters is what the panel quality is rated at and apple only buys A+ for their devices, maybe A for some lower tier products. The calibration is most definitely handled on Apples part though there could be some base calibration done at factory.
@@Malinkadink it does matter, especially when u go with a 90hz or 120hz panel, because some have issues, like lg.
@@branchprediction9923 If its an OLED panel it should have no issues at 90 or 120hz due to the
@@Malinkadink yeah but there were some oled panels that had a green tint when viewing dark grey content. This was much worse on lg's panels than on samsung's panels
To play Dolby Vision files (or any other media) in Windows 10 just right click the file, select "Cast To Device" then select your TV from the list. This works for me with a Sony XH90, I'm also able to cast to other devices on my network.
We're specifically talking about the Dolby Vision video recorded on an iPhone 12.
I’m so early, that the video only offers 1080p SDR
It now offers HDR. ;)
I think you could technically force the Apple TV 4K to play a Dolby Vision video shot from iPhone 12. You would need to turn on Dolby Vision in settings and turn off match content dynamic range. This would basically put everything through their DV profile. I have no idea if this would impact color accuracy but it does work
I am able to view videos shot on my iPhone 12 Pro in Dolby Vision on my Panasonic GX800 TV by using the free Panasonic Remote 2 app. It streams video clips from the Camera Roll on the iPhone directly to the TV (like AirPlay). The Dolby Vision flag pops up on-screen on the TV as soon as the video starts playing.
Thanks for the info!
Good question, huge marketing on dolby vision and then no way to watch it in external screen.
No. It's future proof! Let everyone else catch up.
So, what do you think about this compared to xperia 1 Mk II?
Vincent please review the TCL X915 8k 75inch Tv. I intend to buy one to use with the PS5 and my PC gamer 2080TI but i am waiting for your review to see if it will be good for me.
Can we calibrate mobile display like TV's
I wish you continue review mid range mobile picture quality from Samsung, oppo, xiaomi.....
I don't know about the Apple ecosystem, but with Android, the answer is no.
I know you can put an adjustment layer (overlay) on top of the existing look, but its not the same. And you'll have the same issues, as with any other overlay app.
Hi Vincent any chance you can review the mini LED iPad 12" device?
Can you do a 12.9 ipad pro xdr display and reference monitor test Vincent?
Hi Vincent, is there any news on the Update that Samsung just pushed down to the Q90r I have? I have no idea what it does. Ver 1371. I'm hoping its to allow 4k 120fps through its single HDMI 2.1 port. Would be greatful for any help. Thanks!
Im wondering if creating a torrent file would help you transport dolby vision recordings??? Try it maybe? OR, try ftp! Im sure that would work!
With HDR content on youtube you don't need to disable auto brightness, only dial it to max. With no any other content or in the menus the iPhone only goes to max brightness (even with the setting manually max out) if you have a strong light hitting the display or disable auto.
Many reviews of the iPhone 12 says that Apple uses Dolby Vision Profile 8.4 when you record any video in DV. Apple TV 4K doesn’t use the newer codec. They will need to update it in their next tvOS.
Any displays out there support DV profile 8.4?
What about the iPhone 12 Pro besides popularity made you choose it to be tested against a reference monitor, given that there are many high-end OLED smartphones that exceed 1000 nits peak HDR brightness?
Only Apple cares about color accuracy Samsung phones and TVs have inaccurate displays
So what I got from this video is that the future of OLED is smaller, brighter screens instead of bigger hotter ones.
Guess that's a really good argument for 30" 4K OLED monitors. If an OLED monitor can achieve 1000nits full field and lasts at least a couple years before burning out then that's what I'd buy (just add a couple of HDMI2.1 ports and we are golden.)
Does OLED have trouble reproducing white compared to LCD?
Many people including me notice yellow tint to iPhone 12 Pro and Pro Max. Turning off True Tint and Night Shift helps a bit. Fiddling with Color filter under Accessibility helps a bit. The white of my 7 plus is much whiter IMHO.
Looking at other older iPhone models in store it looks like the LCD models have better whites than the OLED Models.
Do you own an iPad Pro? Compare it against that since only Apple device that is color accurate as iPhone 12 www.displaymate.com/Spectra_35.html
DXOmark noticed the yellow tint also, tho overall they like the screen very much. There is also an active Apple forum about the color shift. www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-12-pro-display-review-smooth-light-transitions/
@@artmaltman Yellow vs pink cast just more people not used to D65 vs D75 whitepoint from what I read in that review. Guessing it will be more noticeable and bug people switching from Android phone as a 7 plus. Clearly confirms iPhone correctly follows gamma curve not crushing blacks in video in that review and color accuracy results shows iPhone still more accurate similar to Vincent's excellent technical review in this video also confirms. Also lot of the test were run with blue light filter on which of course is going to give warmer yellow image overall. Seems that website is bias towards Android phones that run at brighter and incorrect whitepoint which leads to bluish cast on full white as they noticed for the phone they gave best rating in display category: "The Samsung Galaxy Note20 Ultra 5G presented a blue cast when playing video content, and that blue cast was evident in skin tones as well. You can see a hint of that blue cast in the photo below" especially in the white areas. Not to mention other major flaws noted on top rated Android phone, Blue light filter does not reduce blue light, Colors are oversaturated. So many people used to devices showing inaccurate colors that when they see accurate colors will come somewhat as a shock. I always tell people that if you like warmer colors go Apple otherwise if you like cooler colors on your phone go Android. Finally, Apple devices will always tend toward warmer white point compared to Android since they concentrate color accuracy more on the red color space that includes both skin and organic tones which if wrong will lead to sickly looking people. www.displaymate.com/Color_Accuracy_ShootOut_1.htm
@@jaimem1788 Excellent points, especially the D65 vs D75. I'm a photographer and when ever I calibrate my monitor I prefer visually D75 over D65, BUT if I retouch on a D75 screen then my results will look too warm to my eye (and perhaps my clients eyes) on other devices. Realistically I should use D65 for retouching and D75 for other tasks but then D65 would look odd to me while retouching.
I think your point though is that what I might be complaining about on my iPhone 12 Max Pro is a d65 screen, which actually should be perfectly acceptable as a delivered white point on iPhone regardless of my preference.
I will always wonder about that since I don't have a way to measure it. I was happy with the white on my iPhone 7+ and after various color tint adjustments, I'm happy with the white point on my new iPhone 12 Max Pro as well. Thankfully I don't plan to edit professional work on the iPhone!
Despite being an OLED display, why does it seem like iPhone pro screens do not seem to suffer burn in, epically considering the static icons constantly being displayed, mainly on the Home Screen?
they do. I have been running my xs max on full brightness for almost 2 years and the time and battery logos are burned in
No mention of Dolby Vision playback ability on Apple website only 4K HDR: "Up to 4K HDR AirPlay for mirroring, photos, and video out to Apple TV (2nd generation or later) or AirPlay 2-enabled smart TV" maybe try copying dolby vision recording from iPhone 12 to usb stick and see if it will play back DV via USB stick on TV?
Have tried copying to USB... in our case it downconverted to SDR.
@@hdtvtest According to this video Apple TV need to be running in Dolby Vision mode all the time for it to work, which wouldn't be ideal, since would force all your other non-DV video and pics into DV. But yeah seems TV's will need firmware update to new Dolby Vision Profile 8.4 for it to work properly, otherwise will be converted down to HLG or SDR instead of DV. ruclips.net/video/71m3SDGa220/видео.html
Can you do a Samsung Galaxy Note20 Ultra VS iPhone 12 Pro Max screen comparison?
My iphone 12 looks yellowish compares to other iphone/ipad display, does that means color accuracy is not good?
No, previous iPhones/ iPads were too blue.
@@hdtvtest Thank you
@@hdtvtest Yup unless you are using an iPad Pro which uses specially tuned LCD to cut out some of the blue as shown here: iPad Pro 9.7 instead use specially tuned Red and Green phosphors to optimally transform the light for the chosen saturated Red and Green primaries. www.displaymate.com/Spectra_35.html
Love the new intro, ran it back bout 20 times lol
Wow
It would be great to see an analysis of the iPad Pro. Not sure how their LCD panels stack up
Already been done years ago here and shows why iPad Pro LCD better than your normal LCD since they use custom phospors giving more accurate light spectrum hence more accurate colors: "Wide Color Gamut LCDs like the iPad Pro 9.7 instead use specially tuned Red and Green phosphors to optimally transform the light" www.displaymate.com/Spectra_35.html
I have the 12 pro max and a b6 connected to an Apple TV 4K. Airplay does not send hdr to the tv...why? I selected “all photos data”. Thanks.
HDR on my s10+ looks better and brighter than on my oled C9 when I did comparison
It's a personal preference. Many people will prefer brighter, but since OLED has the edge on contrast even at a lower brightness it is what I like. I personally can't stand bright scenes on a crazy brightness TV.
I wish they made a 24" size 4k OLED monitor HDR1000, DCI-P3 98% and similar specs as the iphone 12 pro screen and price it around 500$, and with the burn-in issue fully solved.
That would be really cool!
Don't know how many years that would take.
@tirapalla Yea I dono man, the LG CX48 comes very close, and it is 1500$ around, if they just half the size of that to 24" (or at least 32") and give it for 1000$, it looks highly doable. I think there is just no such demand for computer monitors, and the burn in issue is there too. They did it on phones as small as the iphone 12 pro and on the LG CX TVs. I just need that inbetween size.
@@deepak1987 the problem isn't the size, its achieving such high brightness for an OLED panel. heating would become an issue
😂😂😂😂 and you want apple to make it
@@redi6460 Definitely not apple first, lol. They usually come in only after the market is mature with the idea. LG, Samsung, or BenQ could be good starters for this kina thing.
Btw, both 12 and 12pro have new LG E6 toc 5gen p-oled display.
The 6.1 screens use lg
6.7 max use Samsung
Don't know why they'd want to use the inferior lg screens
@@pioneer2321 tell me how they're inferior? these iphone screens are better calibrated than any android phone I am aware of
@@TheJunky228 I think they are comparing the two iPhone Pro screens....
@@rene.s.s ....and we have no information on how the max screen performs yet
Junky228 LG, for its phones and TVs, uses an RGB sandwich to create white light, and then uses color filters to create red, green, blue and white.
Samsungs approach is RGB no filters it's purer and brighter
Can you try the normal iPhone 12 and/or the iPhone 12 mini?
It's weird that RUclips hasn't enabled HDR on iOS yet, but have enabled 2160p on the app even though no iPhone has a 4K display. My iPhone SE now has 8 times more data to process/downscale and the A13 handles it without breaking a sweat. Thanks to this, compression artefacts is much less apparant.
What is your experience with the RUclips 4K downscaling on iOS?
The app has hdr. But only for oled screens. Have it on my iPhone, not on iPad.
I think he meant he can’t upload it.
Got an iPhone 14 Pro Max. Yikes what a difference
Hi. Can you compare Samsung S20+ 5G vs. iPhone 12 Pro HDR pesentation?
very good review
Can you connect the phone to an Apple TV box and then play the DV video from there?
My iphone12pro is finally playing HDR content in RUclips 👌
Hello! I notice you don’t talked about a yellow tint on whites and greys on the new IPhones OLED screens.
Yellow tint is due to it being that accurate, warmer displays tend to be more accurate, which is why when calibrating TV’s you select Warm 2 or a Warm setting and not a cool or neutral one.
Are you sure night mode or truetone on? Because if it is you’ll definitely see and notice yellow tint like in this picture I took! postimg.cc/7fwpXR9S
Did you not see any issues with raised black levels? My iPhone 12 has raised blacks and it’s unwatchable. The screen is also really warm.
Not on our iPhone 12 Pro.
I think I’m going to return it. I saw on some other forums that some other user’s also has this problem.
@@hdtvtest Are you sure, Vincent? Can you check at low brightness level? This seems to be a fairly common issue.
VINCE!!
Quick question, Sony XBR55A8H, or LG OLED55BXPUA??
Thanks, keep up the great videos!
a8h is significantly better
@@ewcho8995 Thanks! Both are on sale within $100, going with the Sony then!
Question is does the normal iPhone 12 match iPhone 12 pro in screen quality?
in a 2 million to 1 contrast ratio yes. But it has lower full screen brightness
Funny that a phone screen is more accurate than most TVs...DV version is different on the LG TV that’s why you can’t play it if I remember right, too many DV variants, kinda lame
Yeah, it is Version 1.0, dvhe.08.0A, BL+RPU, HLG compatible
prolly has something to do with the production method/cost. If you would make panels 55" and up the price wouldn't be viable even with mass production, just some guessing though
@@Rem_NL it is HLG DV.
@@lolerie i was talking about the actual oled panel, since it has a unusual pixel density, i would assume the production of those screens arent cheap.
@@Rem_NL they are literally printing them. Its price is like 2 $. 🤣🤣🤣 but they are selling it for 300$
Can you do a comparison between I Pad Pro vs Sony Pro Monitor
So on iPhone True Tone should be disabled for accuracy??? I thought the opposite, so what’s the point of this feature?
hmmm yes i understand some of these words.
Lol, what you do not understand?
@@lolerie Your username
@@heathmcrigsby it is russian.
@@lolerie lol i know but i cant speak russian so i dont understand it
@@heathmcrigsby it is Valery.
Try using a physical Apple TV. I don't think the built in apple tv software in LG TVs is the same and Apple would definitely limit Dolby vision to their own devices if it meant selling more of them or if LG wasn't willing to pay a ridiculous amount for it
Have tried... it only did it in HDR10, not Dolby Vision.
How can you have Dolby Vision on HLG? Even FCP and Compressor apps will force HLG if you check off Dolby Vision for export. I exported an HLG with Dolby Vision clip out of FCP/Compressor, and when I played it back on my Sony X950H TV, it activates Dolby Vision, but because the file is HLG and not ST.2084, it looks identical to if you manually forced HDR10 on a Sony while watching HLG...it broken. What TV's actually accept and playback Dolby Vision with HLG instead of PQ?