*I bought these and used them at the river where I get snags often they have done a **enjoyable.fishing** recommend great job of not breaking along with some strong line I purchased as well. They are super durable and easy to use.*
A good hack for these is cut off the loop on the tippet end of these and add a tippet ring. Then when you need to tie on your fly you just do an improved clinch to the tippet ring
I use these leaders fishing for browns all the time, they are amazing. But I attach Mono 8-12lb at the end instead of flouro and have success. I wonder what the advantages might be if I switch to flouro? The rivers I fish are small, mossy bottom water (thus dark) waters so maybe it's not an issue using heavy mono there. I'm curious however about how the streamer would potentially move differently using flouro, both in sinking and throughout the water when I manipulate the streamer. Thanks for the help!
Depends on your fishery! Head in to your local shop and see what they suggest! Cheers! For a general recommendation a set of Medium & Heavy will have you covered for most winter applications. For Summer Light and Mediums.
Hey great informative video. I use Rio Scandi Versitip fly lines with 15ft tips. Would you use a poly leader on the various floating/ sinking versitips? If yes what length poly and tippet would you use?
We wouldn't recommend adding a poly leader to a versitip, as the weight of a polyleader could affect your cast. Just add a 3ft section of heavy mono or fluorocarbon in the 10-15lb range and you're good to go!
@@RIOPRODUCTS Thank you for fast reply. I also use full sinking shooting/scandi heads. Would you use versileader with with full intermediatie or fulling sinking shooting/ scandi head?
Since Sinking Leaders (Polyleaders or VersiLeaders) have different grain weight, it is not that easy to switch sinking leaders with the same fly line or shooting head. For example, Polyleaders have grain wieght from 30 ( 8' Slow Sinking) to 120 (10' Ex. Super Fast Sinking). It is not possible to cast 120 grain sinking tip with light fly line. You need 400-600 grain Skagit head to balance the grain weight to cast. It is not that easy to just change the sinking tips with the same fly line. You may need to change fly line itself (altermately, change rod too)
We actually recommend tying on a tippet ring to the end of the Versileader, then you never cut the leader back or shorten it. Just clinch knot the piece of tippet on. If you have to use a loop knot, the Perfection loop is the tidiest and smallest, so we'd recommend that. As for exposing more core, the best way is to dip the coated section you want removed in nail varnish remover, and leave it there for about 5 minutes. You can then simply strip off the dipped section with your nail.
With a 5wt you want probably nothing longer than 10ft - 7ft would be easier to handle if you can get the depth, but you can make a 10ft work. As for sink rate, you can use any of the options available. If you want to get deep, the 7ips will do that best, and will certainly work on a 5wt, or an intermediate if you only want to be a foot or two deep.
The Freshwater VersiLeader has a 24lb breaking strength, generally used for lake or ocean run fish. So, would definitely recommend the Trout Versileader with a 12lb breaking strength for your 4 weight.
We recommend fluoro for sure when fishing streamers. As to length, The general rule of thumb is that the heavier the streamer, the shorter that tippet section should be. A lightweight streamer would have maybe 4 feet, but a heavy conehead type would have only about 18".
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A complete beginner here and i certainly did learn something thanks
That's great to read, thanks Don
*I bought these and used them at the river where I get snags often they have done a **enjoyable.fishing** recommend great job of not breaking along with some strong line I purchased as well. They are super durable and easy to use.*
Help please.... Weight 7 Scandi which VersiLeader as the Scandi version says weight 8 and up? I look forward to a reply. Thanks
farbank.com/products/rio-medium-versileader These will work!
A good hack for these is cut off the loop on the tippet end of these and add a tippet ring. Then when you need to tie on your fly you just do an improved clinch to the tippet ring
Excellent!
It helps me a lot 🙋🏼♂️
Thanks :)
I use these leaders fishing for browns all the time, they are amazing. But I attach Mono 8-12lb at the end instead of flouro and have success. I wonder what the advantages might be if I switch to flouro? The rivers I fish are small, mossy bottom water (thus dark) waters so maybe it's not an issue using heavy mono there. I'm curious however about how the streamer would potentially move differently using flouro, both in sinking and throughout the water when I manipulate the streamer. Thanks for the help!
This was great information. What Versaleader(s) would you suggest for steelhead.
Depends on your fishery! Head in to your local shop and see what they suggest! Cheers! For a general recommendation a set of Medium & Heavy will have you covered for most winter applications. For Summer Light and Mediums.
Hey great informative video. I use Rio Scandi Versitip fly lines with 15ft tips. Would you use a poly leader on the various floating/ sinking versitips? If yes what length poly and tippet would you use?
We wouldn't recommend adding a poly leader to a versitip, as the weight of a polyleader could affect your cast. Just add a 3ft section of heavy mono or fluorocarbon in the 10-15lb range and you're good to go!
@@RIOPRODUCTS Thank you for fast reply. I also use full sinking shooting/scandi heads. Would you use versileader with with full intermediatie or fulling sinking shooting/ scandi head?
Those you could definitely add a versi-leader if needed.
Since Sinking Leaders (Polyleaders or VersiLeaders) have different grain weight, it is not that easy to switch sinking leaders with the same fly line or shooting head. For example, Polyleaders have grain wieght from 30 ( 8' Slow Sinking) to 120 (10' Ex. Super Fast Sinking). It is not possible to cast 120 grain sinking tip with light fly line. You need 400-600 grain Skagit head to balance the grain weight to cast. It is not that easy to just change the sinking tips with the same fly line. You may need to change fly line itself (altermately, change rod too)
What loop knot are you using on the versileader and if you use up the mono core how do you recommend exposing more
We actually recommend tying on a tippet ring to the end of the Versileader, then you never cut the leader back or shorten it. Just clinch knot the piece of tippet on. If you have to use a loop knot, the Perfection loop is the tidiest and smallest, so we'd recommend that. As for exposing more core, the best way is to dip the coated section you want removed in nail varnish remover, and leave it there for about 5 minutes. You can then simply strip off the dipped section with your nail.
Perfect. Thanks! Also a clinch knot for poly to ring?
@@stephenpiper6212 Absolutely - or improved clinch...
if you use a fast sink, how much of a 5wt floating line is going to be pulled under?
It will definitely pull some under, just depends on depth of water/current of where you're fishing. Generally, not more than a few feet.
So the correct way is to use loop to loop connections with a Perfection Loop?
For attaching it to the fly line? yes, definitely. FOr attaching tippet to the end, you can also use a tippet ring on the front end
For a 9’ 5wt with infinity fly line… what versi leader you think I can get away with for medium sized wooly buggers? What sink rate/length.
With a 5wt you want probably nothing longer than 10ft - 7ft would be easier to handle if you can get the depth, but you can make a 10ft work. As for sink rate, you can use any of the options available. If you want to get deep, the 7ips will do that best, and will certainly work on a 5wt, or an intermediate if you only want to be a foot or two deep.
How much tippet (and what kind) should I use with a 7 foot 3ips versileader
Maximum 3ft of tippet is what we'd recommend. Usually fluorocarbon is preferred for it's abrasion resistance.
What’s the difference between the trout and freshwater VersiLeader? Is the freshwater to heavy for a 4 weight?
The Freshwater VersiLeader has a 24lb breaking strength, generally used for lake or ocean run fish. So, would definitely recommend the Trout Versileader with a 12lb breaking strength for your 4 weight.
I assume I should be using Fluorocarbon tippet around 18-24" with your fast sink? I am fishing streamers. Thanks
We recommend fluoro for sure when fishing streamers. As to length, The general rule of thumb is that the heavier the streamer, the shorter that tippet section should be. A lightweight streamer would have maybe 4 feet, but a heavy conehead type would have only about 18".