I would argue that the world we see is the real world while everyone else is living in a world of escapism avoiding the real world. Our intuition is our connection to the other world most can't access. INFJs also process info at alarming rates but most times we don't slow down because society keeps putting now now now turnaround times which are unrealistic. Our perception of reality vs our expectation is not an INFJ only issue but a lack of just trusting what we can't control so we stay in the present moment. Intuition isn't for telling the future but rather guiding us down a path. If we are looking at 5 points of a pattern but we expect anything we will also fail when in reality there were 7 points and we missed 2. It takes personal work to change how we see anything. "When you know a lot, you realize how little you know."
I stopped relying on Ni after I left the military, I see the world from a perspective one would call scary and everything seems imbalanced, it's like I live in my own hell that the world won't let me escape, but I have the determination and hope to keep going no matter what my fears tell me. I'm too stubborn not to face them since I know it's the right thing to do, even though it scares me. My intuition is still confused but sometimes it helps me predict what's ahead of me, the rest of the times I rely on my self awareness and discipline in order to deal with the chaos within me so I can face the chaos around me. I'm certain it'll get better at some point because I'll stop at nothing for the balanced life I seek.
When we don't know enough, we will build a whole picture based on the patterns that we take in. However, we continusuoly test that , and eliminate any patterns that the test fail with the reality. However, the reality has to happen for us to test it against what we build, if not enough reality info, we will keep what we built, until proven otherwise.
04:30 to 07:00 Gave me some hardcore 'nam level flashbacks to studying things like Least Squares Method Applied to Fatigue Analysis in Steel Structures, lol. Your diagram was a solid representation to me though; moreover, it was aesthetically pleasing to look at . . . and I look at *a lot* of dry diagrams, so I know a pleasant diagram when I see one. Interestingly, I have a close family member that is also an INFJ. As such, weirdly, I have some "anecdotal" experimental data to support your thesis here. My family member and I often see things the same way, but occasionally we don't. In almost every instance where we have a divergence of views, it is because one of us has less of a "direct/experiential" understanding of the matter in question. For instance, when it comes to matters where popular discourse crosses over with STEM topics I tend to be able to provide slightly better insights (it's not that my family member is necessarily wrong, sometimes with limited data that are frighteningly close to the truth, they just have a less developed / more unclear picture of things . . . which is exactly what you detailed from 04:40 ), but when it comes to interpersonal matters, I tend to have a less developed view and they tend to provide much better insights (being both much older and far more sociable than I): so we rely on each other for different things. Nonetheless, it corroborates your thesis in that each of us is great at intuiting, but we have different strengths, so we can elucidate to each where our intuitions are askew. That is, we provide a spotlight for our respective Ni blind spots using our relative Se strengths. By the way, what are your views on Jung's book Synchronicity? I know, I know, a lot of people have a dubious view of it, but I get the impression that much of what Jung described in Synchronicity depends on the levels of both development and harmony a person has with Ni and Se functions, much like you described here. I would love to hear your take on it.
Hahah 😂 I'm glad the diagram was clear. And thanks for sharing your experience! It's a great real life example that helps to illustrate the idea further. About the book Synchronicity, I hadn't read it but I saw that someone has narrated the first chapter (Exposition) on youtube so I listened to that. It was really interesting to listen to. Though I'm not sure if I understand fully what Jung meant, I'll go into it as far as I understood. So he states that people can predict future events before they happen because they already knew it subconsciously. Which on the one hand makes sense to me since our subconscious can store impressions and then use them to come to conclusions. E.g. notice signs that indicate a certain future, without being consciously aware of these signs. So then we 'knew' something beforehand but we don't remember the exact signs or reasons that indicated it. (Indeed much like what Ni does. So I guess then people with strong Ni would have these kind of moments more often maybe.) But he also states that it happens because 'future events could be experienced through a reduction of the spatial distance'. Which to me is harder to grasp; mainly because that would indicate that the future would be 'set in stone' before it has happened. But I don't really understand how that would be possible. What are your thoughts on it?
each personality type, they can transcend, to overcome weaknesses, but it needs to be thinking of others, anywhere in the world. stop being the salt inside the salt shaker, and be the salt that salts the world. stop think in "no", and focus on "yes"
😁LoL as a cognitive empath I profile people, but always check whether my theories are accurate. Cauz if I can't predict people accurately why profile them at all, right? Luckily I've been doing this since the age of 7, even when I didn't know what profiling was at that age. But what I did learn at a very young age was the difference between: *abstract* (inner world) 'what I want to be true' *concrete* (reality) 'what is true.' At age 6 I figured out that Sinterklaas couldn't exist and proved this theory by staking out my dad. I'm a light sleeper so everytime my dad goes to work at 5:30pm I hear him closing the front door and the morning we were supposed to get our presents I saw my dad picking up presents from the trunk and carrying it into the house. Right then & there I realised that my parents, for whatever reason, had lied to me. From that moment on I took everything people told me with a grain of salt, which perfectly explains why I favour my own experience over the knowledge of others. Because I always check whether my fears are rational or irrational I've become a pragmatist. Since I find honesty the best policy and because I'm of the opinion that there is no point in denying the truth, allow me to introduce myself: About a year ago I found out what my personality type is: *Architect (INTJ-A)* Traits: Introverted - 87%, Intuitive - 72%, Thinking - 58%, Judging - 53%, Assertive - 74% Role: Analyst Strategy: Confident Individualism About a decade earlier I've been diagnosed as a High Functioning Internalizing AKA Quiet borderline personality disorder with a schizoid lifestyle [translation might be slightly innacurate cauz I translate it myself from Dutch]. So I was doing a BPD Traits v Disorder test and found out that I only had 4 traits, all extreme. But what is real interesting is that when it comes to dissociative symptons I always have a bird's eye view of myself. This is how I stay objective, by staying somewhat detached from my own emotions. It's not that I don't have emotions, but when I'm in scanning mode they simply take a back seat. There is a time & place to be emotional, so I simply channel them. For example whenever I analyse a piece of art, I go deep with my emotion / imagination. Whenever I'm creative, I simply let my emotion / intuition flag fly soaring high into the sky. 😏 LoL I'm dissociative most of my time. Who woulda thunk? To me a glas 1/2 empty = a glass 1/2 full I'm generally annoyed by people because they are slow; I generally see things where others only are passively looking. To me seeing things = analysing things Somehow my profiling is also my curse! I find it frustrating to see most people running around in circles, chasing their own tail. I can't break them out of this habit, cauz what works for me might not work for them. And it isn't my job to do the lifting for them, they have to do it themselves. Nevertheless this frustrates me to no end. I don't read minds, I analyze / profile people. I'm not an empath like most HSP, but a cognitive empath. I would clasify myself as a Highly Analytical Person which is a subclass of HSP (that I invented if it doesn't exist already). I can logically explain why I reach my conclusions. I don't use fancy words, cauz I'm self-taught; I've been doing this since the age of 6 and have perfected my method of finding the truth. To me knowing is seeing -> the more I know the easier it is for me to find the objective truth and profile / predict people. My baseline mood is ambivalency -> what I know can be the opposite of what I feel, but I'm used to it by now. It is easy for me to predict movies or stories, cauz they operate within a given set of rules. I can analyze people the same way I predict movies and stories, but this takes time cauz people are obviously more complicated than movies and stories. Because I can't stop analyzing I isolate myself. I used to have a few friends but now that I'm an adult I only trust my little brother and his wife. Either I'm always lonely or I simply am never lonely. I prefer to be alone and live a very spartan lifestyle; I only use what I need, not what I want. 🧐 Is there anyone else here who is a cognitive empath? Cognitive empath: - Taking another person's perspective - Imagining what it's like in another person's shoes - Understanding someone's feelings
@@kurotadorii Helped everyone who needed help, but I'm done helping people that only seek validation. Fearless Chorus: Annihilating demons that keep standing in my way I'm a champion Not your victim of prey Rise above the (hate) Rise above the (rage) Put that little monster back in the fucking cage I am FEARLESS! Verse 1: You act like a lion but underneath it's just a lamb This battle will be your last and only fucking stand Done with all your drama and pathologic lies Will strip away your ego and that fake ass disguise Don't involve me in any more of your schemes Unless you want me haunting all your dreams Verse 2: Never backing down Sealing your fate Why did you pick that personality to create? Bring on the challenge Just open the door When I'm done with you you'll be left crying on the floor (Fearless) Bridge: My demons rage harder Leave you deep in disaster Better start running My demons are faster Step up or step out No more to say Chew you up Spit you out Gonna be hell to pay Verse 3: Are you TERRIFIED? Of what you see in the mirror A sinister monster Your weaknesses are clear I'll keep raising the bar And keep getting stronger So fuck off! Not dealing with your bullshit any longer I am FEARLESS! (Fearless)
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nope carl jung said nothing of this internet made up crap infjs have great reality testing skills ni seeing everything in the background process of reality just as much as se and we are suggestible to se as its our teacher function so bs bs bs boo perhaps your just not infj stop trying to speak for everything and just speak for yourself that you have issues with reality testing and need help dont make up lies and say infjs have a problem with this
Your choice if you disagree. But all that I'm saying here is based on theory. Si and Ni are about organizing information, so all IXXJs have difficulty with the opposite: taking in new information or being open to new experiences. It's literally just about the cognitive function definitions. Jung said that the inferior function is always in danger of being repressed. These are quotes about people with dominant Ni from Jung: 'Aloofness of the individual from tangible reality'. 'Adapted to the meaning of events, but unadapted to present day reality'.
@@kurotadorii the material world is not reality the emotional world is just as much reality as anything else dear child because nothing you said backs up your claim i dont have to disagree because you arent correct
1. "perhaps your just not infj" . . . No need to go to ad hominem to make a point. It detracts from anything valid you might have to say. 2. "perhaps your just not infj" . . . Being an INFJ is not a prize or a special in-group. It's just a set of parameters. Within those parameters, there is a lot of room for deviation. In fact, more so than almost any other type, I would posit that INFJs tend toward Heterodoxy. In short, disagreeing with an INFJ (as an INFJ) does not invalidate that person as INFJ. 3. "the material world is not reality the emotional world is just as much reality as anything else dear child because nothing you said backs up your claim i dont have to disagree because you arent correct" . . . Condescension, especially when referring to someone in your relative peer group as a child, is a really effective way to lose an argument. 4. "the material world is not reality the emotional world is just as much reality as anything else dear child because nothing you said backs up your claim i dont have to disagree because you arent correct" . . . The material world makes up a huge part of reality for all people, in practice. As an experiment, try and live a year without eating or drinking: just subsist on your emotions. That being said, I do agree that "reality" is comprised of more than just the "prime material", so I'll give you that much: although I think you could have phrased that argument better without being so condescending. 5. Grammar . . . for the love of all things left good on the internet, please add a capital letter, a comma, or a full stop here and there.
@@preciousakpata5260 perhaps your not an infj because no one was talking to you , such a narc because you seen attention wasn't given to you grow up and blow away
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso I agree that there is much more to reality than just the material world. I am just trying to say that having N and S out of balance can kind of make ONE side of reality less clear. I'm also by far not the only one on youtube who has talked about these imbalances. Furthermore I also never said it was a problem for INFJs, as long as a person doesn't neglect their last function. I was just trying to illustrate how Ni works. And secondly, I am not claiming to be 'correct', only that I am not just making things up. If you don't resonate with how I'm explaining things then I respect that.
that's why Ni takes a long time, making sure there is enough data to be absolutely sure
So true.
ENFJ's have this too. I often do sanity checks with others if I am emotionally involved in a stressful/emotional situation.
I would argue that the world we see is the real world while everyone else is living in a world of escapism avoiding the real world. Our intuition is our connection to the other world most can't access. INFJs also process info at alarming rates but most times we don't slow down because society keeps putting now now now turnaround times which are unrealistic. Our perception of reality vs our expectation is not an INFJ only issue but a lack of just trusting what we can't control so we stay in the present moment. Intuition isn't for telling the future but rather guiding us down a path. If we are looking at 5 points of a pattern but we expect anything we will also fail when in reality there were 7 points and we missed 2. It takes personal work to change how we see anything. "When you know a lot, you realize how little you know."
I stopped relying on Ni after I left the military, I see the world from a perspective one would call scary and everything seems imbalanced, it's like I live in my own hell that the world won't let me escape, but I have the determination and hope to keep going no matter what my fears tell me. I'm too stubborn not to face them since I know it's the right thing to do, even though it scares me. My intuition is still confused but sometimes it helps me predict what's ahead of me, the rest of the times I rely on my self awareness and discipline in order to deal with the chaos within me so I can face the chaos around me. I'm certain it'll get better at some point because I'll stop at nothing for the balanced life I seek.
When we don't know enough, we will build a whole picture based on the patterns that we take in. However, we continusuoly test that , and eliminate any patterns that the test fail with the reality. However, the reality has to happen for us to test it against what we build, if not enough reality info, we will keep what we built, until proven otherwise.
I like your thought processess!!!
04:30 to 07:00
Gave me some hardcore 'nam level flashbacks to studying things like Least Squares Method Applied to Fatigue Analysis in Steel Structures, lol. Your diagram was a solid representation to me though; moreover, it was aesthetically pleasing to look at . . . and I look at *a lot* of dry diagrams, so I know a pleasant diagram when I see one. Interestingly, I have a close family member that is also an INFJ. As such, weirdly, I have some "anecdotal" experimental data to support your thesis here.
My family member and I often see things the same way, but occasionally we don't. In almost every instance where we have a divergence of views, it is because one of us has less of a "direct/experiential" understanding of the matter in question. For instance, when it comes to matters where popular discourse crosses over with STEM topics I tend to be able to provide slightly better insights (it's not that my family member is necessarily wrong, sometimes with limited data that are frighteningly close to the truth, they just have a less developed / more unclear picture of things . . . which is exactly what you detailed from 04:40 ), but when it comes to interpersonal matters, I tend to have a less developed view and they tend to provide much better insights (being both much older and far more sociable than I): so we rely on each other for different things. Nonetheless, it corroborates your thesis in that each of us is great at intuiting, but we have different strengths, so we can elucidate to each where our intuitions are askew. That is, we provide a spotlight for our respective Ni blind spots using our relative Se strengths.
By the way, what are your views on Jung's book Synchronicity? I know, I know, a lot of people have a dubious view of it, but I get the impression that much of what Jung described in Synchronicity depends on the levels of both development and harmony a person has with Ni and Se functions, much like you described here. I would love to hear your take on it.
Hahah 😂 I'm glad the diagram was clear. And thanks for sharing your experience! It's a great real life example that helps to illustrate the idea further.
About the book Synchronicity, I hadn't read it but I saw that someone has narrated the first chapter (Exposition) on youtube so I listened to that. It was really interesting to listen to. Though I'm not sure if I understand fully what Jung meant, I'll go into it as far as I understood. So he states that people can predict future events before they happen because they already knew it subconsciously.
Which on the one hand makes sense to me since our subconscious can store impressions and then use them to come to conclusions. E.g. notice signs that indicate a certain future, without being consciously aware of these signs. So then we 'knew' something beforehand but we don't remember the exact signs or reasons that indicated it. (Indeed much like what Ni does. So I guess then people with strong Ni would have these kind of moments more often maybe.)
But he also states that it happens because 'future events could be experienced through a reduction of the spatial distance'. Which to me is harder to grasp; mainly because that would indicate that the future would be 'set in stone' before it has happened. But I don't really understand how that would be possible. What are your thoughts on it?
each personality type, they can transcend, to overcome weaknesses, but it needs to be thinking of others, anywhere in the world. stop being the salt inside the salt shaker, and be the salt that salts the world. stop think in "no", and focus on "yes"
😁LoL as a cognitive empath I profile people, but always check whether my theories are accurate.
Cauz if I can't predict people accurately why profile them at all, right?
Luckily I've been doing this since the age of 7, even when I didn't know what profiling was at that age.
But what I did learn at a very young age was the difference between:
*abstract* (inner world) 'what I want to be true' *concrete* (reality) 'what is true.'
At age 6 I figured out that Sinterklaas couldn't exist and proved this theory by staking out my dad.
I'm a light sleeper so everytime my dad goes to work at 5:30pm I hear him closing the front door and the morning we were supposed to get our presents I saw my dad picking up presents from the trunk and carrying it into the house.
Right then & there I realised that my parents, for whatever reason, had lied to me.
From that moment on I took everything people told me with a grain of salt, which perfectly explains why I favour my own experience over the knowledge of others.
Because I always check whether my fears are rational or irrational I've become a pragmatist.
Since I find honesty the best policy and because I'm of the opinion that there is no point in denying the truth, allow me to introduce myself:
About a year ago I found out what my personality type is:
*Architect (INTJ-A)*
Traits: Introverted - 87%, Intuitive - 72%, Thinking - 58%, Judging - 53%, Assertive - 74%
Role: Analyst
Strategy: Confident Individualism
About a decade earlier I've been diagnosed as a High Functioning Internalizing AKA Quiet borderline personality disorder with a schizoid lifestyle [translation might be slightly innacurate cauz I translate it myself from Dutch].
So I was doing a BPD Traits v Disorder test and found out that I only had 4 traits, all extreme.
But what is real interesting is that when it comes to dissociative symptons I always have a bird's eye view of myself.
This is how I stay objective, by staying somewhat detached from my own emotions.
It's not that I don't have emotions, but when I'm in scanning mode they simply take a back seat.
There is a time & place to be emotional, so I simply channel them.
For example whenever I analyse a piece of art, I go deep with my emotion / imagination.
Whenever I'm creative, I simply let my emotion / intuition flag fly soaring high into the sky.
😏 LoL I'm dissociative most of my time.
Who woulda thunk?
To me a glas 1/2 empty = a glass 1/2 full
I'm generally annoyed by people because they are slow; I generally see things where others only are passively looking.
To me seeing things = analysing things
Somehow my profiling is also my curse!
I find it frustrating to see most people running around in circles, chasing their own tail.
I can't break them out of this habit, cauz what works for me might not work for them.
And it isn't my job to do the lifting for them, they have to do it themselves.
Nevertheless this frustrates me to no end.
I don't read minds, I analyze / profile people.
I'm not an empath like most HSP, but a cognitive empath.
I would clasify myself as a Highly Analytical Person which is a subclass of HSP (that I invented if it doesn't exist already).
I can logically explain why I reach my conclusions.
I don't use fancy words, cauz I'm self-taught; I've been doing this since the age of 6 and have perfected my method of finding the truth.
To me knowing is seeing -> the more I know the easier it is for me to find the objective truth and profile / predict people.
My baseline mood is ambivalency -> what I know can be the opposite of what I feel, but I'm used to it by now.
It is easy for me to predict movies or stories, cauz they operate within a given set of rules.
I can analyze people the same way I predict movies and stories, but this takes time cauz people are obviously more complicated than movies and stories.
Because I can't stop analyzing I isolate myself.
I used to have a few friends but now that I'm an adult I only trust my little brother and his wife.
Either I'm always lonely or I simply am never lonely.
I prefer to be alone and live a very spartan lifestyle; I only use what I need, not what I want.
🧐 Is there anyone else here who is a cognitive empath?
Cognitive empath:
- Taking another person's perspective
- Imagining what it's like in another person's shoes
- Understanding someone's feelings
its like a puzzle all the corners and you know what it is, a few key pieces and we can tell intimate details about it.
Great metaphor!
No ones predictions on the future is always accurate. All personalitoes do this, imho.
What about an INFJ that doesn't have fear?
Of course it's still a generalization, so it could be that some INFJs don't relate. Or, maybe you're just really good at balancing Ni and Se.
@@kurotadorii Helped everyone who needed help, but I'm done helping people that only seek validation.
Fearless
Chorus:
Annihilating demons that keep standing in my way
I'm a champion
Not your victim of prey
Rise above the (hate)
Rise above the (rage)
Put that little monster back in the fucking cage
I am FEARLESS!
Verse 1:
You act like a lion but underneath it's just a lamb
This battle will be your last and only fucking stand
Done with all your drama and pathologic lies
Will strip away your ego and that fake ass disguise
Don't involve me in any more of your schemes
Unless you want me haunting all your dreams
Verse 2:
Never backing down
Sealing your fate
Why did you pick that personality to create?
Bring on the challenge
Just open the door
When I'm done with you
you'll be left crying on the floor
(Fearless)
Bridge:
My demons rage harder
Leave you deep in disaster
Better start running
My demons are faster
Step up or step out
No more to say
Chew you up
Spit you out
Gonna be hell to pay
Verse 3:
Are you TERRIFIED?
Of what you see in the mirror
A sinister monster
Your weaknesses are clear
I'll keep raising the bar
And keep getting stronger
So fuck off!
Not dealing with your bullshit any longer
I am FEARLESS!
(Fearless)
Interesting 🤔. Learning here
You have a pretty INFJ Kuro. What country are you from... Netherlands?
Yup I'm from the Netherlands 😄
Well said
U really did a great job describing it unlike what other people said
there are a social group for infj type ?
What is your mbti type?
INFJ
Yessss!
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Ik weet niet of ik ook nederlandse videos ga maken, maar ik wil sowieso een keer nederlandse ondertiteling toevoegen!
💙
it's just flippant, ...but you look like Estelle on Big Brother Australia. Bye
Hahaha
nope carl jung said nothing of this internet made up crap infjs have great reality testing skills ni seeing everything in the background process of reality just as much as se and we are suggestible to se as its our teacher function so bs bs bs boo
perhaps your just not infj stop trying to speak for everything and just speak for yourself that you have issues with reality testing and need help dont make up lies and say infjs have a problem with this
Your choice if you disagree. But all that I'm saying here is based on theory.
Si and Ni are about organizing information, so all IXXJs have difficulty with the opposite: taking in new information or being open to new experiences. It's literally just about the cognitive function definitions. Jung said that the inferior function is always in danger of being repressed. These are quotes about people with dominant Ni from Jung:
'Aloofness of the individual from tangible reality'. 'Adapted to the meaning of events, but unadapted to present day reality'.
@@kurotadorii the material world is not reality the emotional world is just as much reality as anything else dear child because nothing you said backs up your claim i dont have to disagree because you arent correct
1. "perhaps your just not infj" . . . No need to go to ad hominem to make a point. It detracts from anything valid you might have to say.
2. "perhaps your just not infj" . . . Being an INFJ is not a prize or a special in-group. It's just a set of parameters. Within those parameters, there is a lot of room for deviation. In fact, more so than almost any other type, I would posit that INFJs tend toward Heterodoxy. In short, disagreeing with an INFJ (as an INFJ) does not invalidate that person as INFJ.
3. "the material world is not reality the emotional world is just as much reality as anything else dear child because nothing you said backs up your claim i dont have to disagree because you arent correct" . . . Condescension, especially when referring to someone in your relative peer group as a child, is a really effective way to lose an argument.
4. "the material world is not reality the emotional world is just as much reality as anything else dear child because nothing you said backs up your claim i dont have to disagree because you arent correct" . . . The material world makes up a huge part of reality for all people, in practice. As an experiment, try and live a year without eating or drinking: just subsist on your emotions. That being said, I do agree that "reality" is comprised of more than just the "prime material", so I'll give you that much: although I think you could have phrased that argument better without being so condescending.
5. Grammar . . . for the love of all things left good on the internet, please add a capital letter, a comma, or a full stop here and there.
@@preciousakpata5260 perhaps your not an infj because no one was talking to you , such a narc because you seen attention wasn't given to you grow up and blow away
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso I agree that there is much more to reality than just the material world. I am just trying to say that having N and S out of balance can kind of make ONE side of reality less clear. I'm also by far not the only one on youtube who has talked about these imbalances. Furthermore I also never said it was a problem for INFJs, as long as a person doesn't neglect their last function. I was just trying to illustrate how Ni works.
And secondly, I am not claiming to be 'correct', only that I am not just making things up. If you don't resonate with how I'm explaining things then I respect that.