I thought I posted this info but don't see it... We changed the value of the TREBLE trimpot in the last few years to make it easier to dial in. THe factory setting is all the way down, and that's the same no matter the value (0 ohms). But the new one goes up slower, so you can turn it more before it gets too bright, making it easier to dial in. So a newer one needs the trimpot turned more than an old one. Thanks and hope that helps!
Thanks a lot for the clarification Mike. That’s exactly what I experienced and it does make sense. I can see keeping that treble trimpot pretty low E.g. on Fender blackface style amps. 👍 Your work is much appreciated! 🙏 Cheers!
The tolerance of the components, like pots, etc could be almost 10% above or below the values, and also you might not have the same clipping diodes, as they are obsolete and running out. Mike is pretty secretive (and rightly so) about them, but the replacement diodes that can be used in the circuit are very similar, the difference will be subtle. Both pedals sound fantastic, and alone in a mix would be totally fine. Even comparing two pedals one after the other built at the same time would have subtle differences due to tolerances.
A buddy of mine built a little switching box for his pedals and four of us ran our collection of TSs through it one night. All the ways people describe the different versions online apply to all of them, even within the same build year. I ended up trading both of mine for two that I liked better. It was a productive night.
tolerances are even bigger, 20% is standard on capacitors, 25% on potentiometers making your point even more important to consider. the simple fact is, the new components have exactly zero bearing on what we hear in the real world
This is all hype to keep pushing KOT prices up so people think the old ones are worth paying for more -eventually pre whenever pedals will be 1500-watch -and people will buy the snake oil.
I've got a couple of KOT and Prince Of Tone clones by a few different builders. One time when I was thinning out my pedal collection a guy mentioned having a KOT, so when he came to check out the pedals he was interested in, I convinced him to bring the KOT to compare to my clones. The difference was negligible. It might even be a matter of the trim pot settings we each had, since we never adjusted them. I was on the list for a KOT, but I honestly can't afford to but it now. I got on the list after getting my clones, but divorce has a way of wiping out your expendable income. Maybe some day, but not for a while.
@@thisdyingsoul76 I own a KOT with the original diodes and a Chinese clone of it. Both are "higher" gain on both sides. I can easily adjust them to sound identical. I prefer the real thing on my board, of course, but now I have an inexpensive backup. If you are buying a new one, definitely consider getting both sides "higher gain." It gives usable gain across a wider sweep of the gain potentiometer. Some clones have a switch on the resistor that sets the op amp gain so you can try it both ways.
My 2 cents: The schematic of the KoT is relatively simple. There are no mythical diodes. As long as you get the same OpAmp and you bias it with the same resistor values, two pedals will be identical in sound. If you hear major differences, these will likely come from tolerances in the potentiometers. Most people assume that two 100k pots set at the same visual position will have the same value. More often than not that’s just not the case. These pots can have tolerances up to 10% meaning that in a worst case, two 100k pots both set at 12 o’clock (50% resistance), one could be 45k and the other one 55k. On top of that, the pedal doesn’t have one pot, but four (including the internal trimmer for presence). My point being: I would be surprised if you have two models of the same pedal visually set to the same settings and they sound exactly the same. Even in the same batch.
I use a king of drive (demonfx), and listening to these two, I'd say it's ballpark. Not any better or worse. I would venture to say you are on the money with your analysis.
I build a lot of pedals and I can agree 100%. You can have the same components from the same manufacturer and still hear differences at the same settings. You should always be able to match sounds within the tolerance of the potentiometer, so instead of it being at 3 o’clock like it is on the original maybe it’s at 3:45 on the next one to get identical tone. That’s just electrical components for ya. Tolerances mean differences in resistance which definitely affects the tonal quality of a circuit.
I'm a big fan of the KOT pedal and I also have 2, one on my pedal board and one loose for most of my gigs where I'd rather just use 2 or 3 pedals strung together as needed for the situation. The great thing that this pedal does so well is react to your touch and variations in left hand attack and technique as you so well illustrated in your video. It's also a very "natural" sounding pedal and responds well to both single coil and humbucker pickups. I haven't found anything else yet that equals or surpasses the KOT, at least for me.
great video and advice!! Fun Fact - just after watching this vid I doublechecked my mailbox and found I got my note a few days ago that I had reached top of the list. So my KOT is in the process of being produced now and will hopefully make it all the way to my house within a few days / weeks. Can't wait to finally receive my KOT :)
@@tom22333 Hi Tom, I went with higher gain option on red side. Rest all default. Two-jack-option. It's really great. The dynamic and feel is really something special. I would describe it as very amp-like and dynamic. So far I have left the inside trim-pots that this vid is refering to in default position
Thanks this was really useful. We must have ordered ours on the same day ! Mine arrived 2 weeks ago and I had just the questions that you answered . My first observation is that the volume control is sensible I find most drive pedals today have way too much volume gain you can really use the full volume range on the KoT.
I use my Beano Boost into the red side of my King of Tone more than I stack the Red and Yellow sides. If you don't want to wait, I recommend getting a Prince/Duke of Tone and stacking it with a Beano Boost. THAT is the magical combination to me.
Prince (or Duke) of Tone has a little more gain available than the KoT so you get a larger tonal palette, if you like higher gain. And no waiting list.
The new gold enclosure one sounds a little brighter when dialed in to the same settings as the old one. I attribute this to the lighter colour shade of the gold paint over the darker purple painted enclosure which provides a darker tone overall,... the paint bro,... it's all in the paint.
I'd love to hear your opinion on the New MXR Duke of Tone? - It sounds really good, form the videos that I have seen. ( always different in person ). Great job with this.
I got a Duke, and the important thing to realize is that it comes with the internal trim pot turned up, and the Prince comes all the way down. Turn the Duke down and it’s *very* close. Feels very close, too.
Interesting. Even on phone speaker I was thinking the old one had a bit more "air". So I chuckled when you described it as "space" - I wasn't hearing things. I guess every electrical component has a tolerance. 2%, 5%, 10%. Even identical circuits with same brand components could conceivably have compounding tolerances that need slightly different knob positions to give the same result. It's handy that there's internal knobs for even more tweaking.
It's not about component tolerance here. Mike from Analog Man just made the internal Treble pots starts from a lower value. I think that was deliberated and I remember reading this somewhere.
all parts have tolerances so this is super flawed. You need to measure the resistance on each pot for both units to make sure they are actually set the same... I have been building pedals and amps for a long time, They are the same pedals EDIT: Theres also two trimpots inside for presence. Im guessing they arent set identical.
I’m a happy owner of a 2018 pedal and got right back on the waiting list again, for the same reason (and I’m still waiting for the new one). The old one is my go-to, and I practice with it almost every day. (And so far nothing has replaced it in my practice rig… it’s the whole practice rig!) Refreshing to hear that all’s well, and good to know about adjusting the presence knob for the new one when it arrives. But why the OD+distortion settings? I love the boost side as an always-on clean sound!
The KOT ships with the red side OD, and the yellow side Clean Boost. You can set each side individually to Clean boost, OD, or Distortion with dip switches on the circuit board. They switch between no clipping diodes, clipping diodes with 0.6V forward drop, and clipping diodes with a lower voltage drop than 0.6V. Clipping at a lower voltage sounds more compressed and agressive. For a while I was using both sides clean boost, which is great for clean and light OD. Also good for slamming the input of a tube amp.
Hi Kris, your old one has more presence and body to my ear, whether you tweak the inner parts or not. The second hand ones are ridiculously overpriced. I had one that I sold for the price I bought it. It is undoubtedly a good pedal, but not better than other double OD’s like the zeta, the honeybee, gladio, or my preferred one: the CmatMods SuperSigna I still consider it is the best double OD ever. My advice: buy what you hear not what you see or read about. Cheers
There is definitely a difference. But more on the clean side of both pedals. I listened to this with on ear Sens. phones set flat. There IS a difference to my ears.
The pedals may have the says specs but you need to take into account the tolerances of the components used. For pots and capacitors, this can be up 20%. So, for example, at 100k pot could range between 80k and 120k in some extreme examples. Resistors are usually 1% to 5% depending on the type. Hence why in this video, tweaking the internal pots were able to get the two pedals to sound to same. I highly doubt that Analogman is pulling old parts out of other electronics. Rather, just looking online.
Congrats! It’s a really great pedal and that internal treble pot makes it work with anything from blackface amps to super warm sounding ones. I love it.
Not only are they so close, it doesn’t matter, but a knob could be one spline off on the stem, so setting the knobs by site is not valid. Ps…. Identical vox wahs have different sweeps
Will Mike adjust the internal settings to match the older KOT for me when I place my order? I don't want to risk damaging the pedal in any way, not after a five-year wait. Mine arrives some time later this year...great comparison, Kris.
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I’m on the waiting list for almost two years now, but no rush… I already put my name with the “forget it and one day I’ll have a pleasant surprise” mentality. Hahaha About the comparison, I came to this conclusion: I need a Revv Dynamis. 😂😂😂 Cheers, mate! Awesome playing as always!
You’re doing it right buddy, get on the list and forget about it. 👌 And dude, you’re so right about the Revv. That’s the real hero here on my channel. I need to make a video on it. It’s ridiculous how EVERY single overdrive sounds perfect through the Dynamis. I still can’t believe how good it is. 🤩
Wow, that’s awesome dude!!! Go for it, you’ll love it!! And yeah, the price was the same for so many years but after such a long time they had to match up with inflation and co. It’s still 100% worth it.
Let me highlight a small moment of the demonstration. It is 3 secs only, starting at 9:00! What is happening in this short time? Kris plays a lovely little motif that includes: 1. A rake on the muted strings 2. Hammer on. 3. Slide up. 4. Bend. 5. Quick half note slide up and down combined with the release!!! 🤯 6. Pull off 7. Nice vibrato. 8. Two notes picked 9. Slight vibrato on the second note. 9. Picked and slightly bent note. 10. Closing rake on the muted strings. All of these in 3 seconds! So if you are looking for a recipe for "tasty" playing, here is a perfect example! Awesome! Congrats Kris! Set the playing speed to half and check yourself! 9:00
@@KrisBarocsi Well, if I want to (try to) learn what you play I have to analyze it! 😉 And this tiny part has so many nice details that I had to share it! Thanks for your videos and for your music again! 😊
@@edwardjons8684 I think step 5. (I wrote above) not a simple motif at all. But maybe you are right and Kris "did not do any special". But he combines a lot of things very nicely! And all of those small details make great playing! You know the same notes can be played in a lot of different ways. I like the way of Kris and in my opinion, it is worth the attention. 🙂
Seems like it's just the drift of tolerance in the potentiometers. There can be up to a 10% drift in variance in each potentiometer, so with that many potentiometers in play on each side, that's quite a bit of variance that can be had. A couple minor adjustments as illustrated in the video can make them sound virtually identical. I am curious to see what kind of consistency we'll see from the MXR production of the Duke of Tone. Only time will tell.
Exactly, so much truth in your comment. 👍 I don’t know about the consistency of the MXRs but what I know is that I’m about to shoot a comparison video with it. 😉
Thanks for the informative and so well done video. I have a 2009 regular KoT and when compare the guts to this from your pics I see a few different components. I am also in the KoT waiting list and it looks like next spring will come my turn for a new one pedal so when I have it I will make similar video comparison between them. Cheers! 🍻
That’s cool, yeah please make that video. I’m guessing you’ll get very similar tone with the pedals and after minor tweaking they’ll sound and feel the nearly same.
My favourite part of this great video is your saying that you hate people exploiting the rarity for profit. It’s refreshing to hear someone say this. I hate it too. I can afford second hand prices but I refuse to participate in this insidious market. There are people who want to play these pedals, rather than profit them. Exploitation is selfish and damaging to the guitar community.
We’re only hearing parts tolerances. There are not obsolete components in the Marshall Bluesbreaker circuit, which is what the KOT is a very slightly and simply modded clone of. The internal trimmer is just reducing the effect of the .01uf treble-cutting cap to ground of the original Marshall circuit, different tapers can give very different results when putting pots in the same positions. The original Marshall circuit designer is the real genius of the most natural overdrive pedal circuit ever made. The KOT is really a very hyped pedal!
I don't remember when I signed up, but that was years ago, and completely forgot. Early this year, suddenly an e-mail from Analogman: you can order your King of Tone! WOW ...but I haven't done it yet, I'm happy with pedalboard for now.... HOWEVER! Now that Fulltone is (most likely?) closed, and everything with Fulltone on it multiplies in price on a daily basis, maybe I'll sell my (dirt cheap and absolutely amazing) Fulldrive 2 to cover the cost..... :D
i just bought a KOT v4 w/ the High Gain mod. It is mint condition w/ the box and swag. Paid $950. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd pay that much for a pedal. I only paid $600 for my Klon KTR. I thought the Klon would be my most expensive pedal. My KOT is #7902
Hi Kris, honestly I think that you cheated us, because you played not only with the K.O.T. but with your H.O.T. (Hands Of Tone)... Maaaan, what an amazing, crispy, clear, beautiful tone you have!!! I'm on the waiting list since the summer of 2018, pretty close to receive mine!! Pretty excited!!! ⚡⚡🔥🔥🎸🎸
You're awesome man. My Kot is gold with 4 Jack's like yours. I've also waited a lot not intirely by analogman's fault...long history. I've always thought that your older pedal was brighter and more live than mine. I'm really happy with this video for finding I can tune it better 😊. Thank you Kris you are awesome.
Thanks so much man! Enjoy that golden beauty! It doesn’t make too much sence to take a picture of the internal treble pot because the taper of those parts might be slightly different on every KoT. Mine is (as told) around 3-4 out of 10 and that’s where it sounds best with my rig. Test yours with different treble settings, you’ll find the sweetest setting with your rig. Cheers
Thats happens to with my greer amps lightspeed, and boss od1 i have 3 MIJ and 2 boss ds1 atm. The oldest one have this "chewiness" than the newer ones. I do try to match everything knob setting in each pedals because of the tolerance different. I dont know, maybe my mind playing trick on me or my ear to tired. But thats what i find out
I wouldn't mind having old or new but for some reason I prefer the newer version- maybe because it sounds less fuzzy? Great sounds and playing as usual
The wait list is over four-and-a-half years now, so I'm wondering if I should wait another two and a half years or just get the MXR Duke of Tone when it comes out...
In 4 years i will finally have one, and im perfectly fine with it being slightly different. And im in no rush to have one. I just want to be able to play it within my life and im not willing to pay 700-1,200 bucks for one. Definitely going to check out the Duke of Tone in October when it releases too. Im curious if i put the Duke of Tone after my Toxic Twins and stack the Blues Breaker side into the Duke if it will sound very close to an actual KoT since they are both very good Blues Breaker circuits that have the options of clean boost, hard clipping and soft clipping just like both sides of the KoT.
I have one from 2013 that has always been my go to. Then I bought a second one in 2017ish and hated it, so I sold it. I just got my third one about 6months ago (gold 4 jack too) and it sounds ever so slightly better that my old one! Weird 🤷🏽♂️
No two pedals off a production line sound the exact same. All components (pots, resistors, caps) have a tolerance. High quality parts are usually around 5%. That means something like a volume pot that is suppose to be 150k can be + or - 5%. That works out to 7.5 ohm. So your 150k pot could be 142.5k - 157.5k. That is a bit of difference on total output and knob sweep. Now replicate this for every pot, resistor and capacitor in a circuit and you will quickly see why no two pedals sound EXACTLY the same. This is with modern tolerances. Back in the day the tolerances were way wider. Sometimes up to 20%! That’s why you hear stories of players playing 20 fuzz faces in the 60’s to find the right one. Just imagine 20% more or less bass, fuzz, output, etc.
If you have the high gain option on both pedals you don't really have one of the "old ones" you have one of the somewhat newer v4s. That said even with the high gain option there are component changes depending on when you got the v4. When I got my 2nd KoT maybe 9 years ago, I sent an email to Mike telling him they sounded different and what changed. He confirmed a component change (new component was actually more expensive - but the stock pile of the old compoenent ran out). That said, both were very close to each other and sounded fine. I cracked the pedals open and sure enough, yes the compoenets are different. Your 2018 is awfuly "new" and I'd be surprised if the components changed drastically in that timeframe, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that all KoTs over the entire history of v4 do have some subtle part differences in fact, I know of 3 changes to a cap component over the history which is easy to spot with the color differences. That said, even 2 KoTs off the same line with the same components will sound slightly different at the same settings due to part tolerences - nothing to get worked up about though. I've owned 3 KoTs and played a few more. Still have 1 as a staple on my board for many years. I'll get another one just as a backup in case of failure (which has happened as switches can and do fail on boutique pedals - which is an area that could easily be improved upon with better quality).
Thanks for the infos Brian! Yeah, a drive pedal has many components that are not super relevant to its tone. That being said, there are a few that are way more important than many assume. To me it looks like Mike sticked to all the parts that make this pedal have a certain tonal character, dynamic range etc. If he has to change a few of “the other parts” over the years, I don’t mind that. There are 4 years between these two and the only difference is the taper of the internal treble pot. After my slight adjustment the pedals sound and feel identical. That’s good enough for me. Haha! Cheers
@@aaronlsuton I'm having trouble digging up the details I had. But I recall the newer caps are gold and the old ones were blue. (and sorry, I know the color of the cap isn't what you were looking for).
After years I got the KOT sold it on not to long after, as there’s other pedals I prefer, maybe it just didn’t work with my Marshall jvm410h Joe Satriani model?it’s a great pedal but not as good as I was expecting sadly.
Hello!!! thanks for your content greatly received. I would like to express my interest in the king of tone but is not very clear to me the 4 jack use, is it even possible for you to do a video with how those work? and why they are actually more pricey ? I can't seem to find any information or schematics about how are they supposed to work.
Don't forget that Analogman pedals are handbuilt, so there will be slight differences from one pedal to another. Analog Mike Piera is a great pedal designer/builder, and his pedals are very consistent, very well built and very good value for your money. I think both Kings of Tone sound great, and I'm glad you finally got the one you wanted, plus, it looks great, too! Rock on, Brother!
Hey! Great video, love the pedal, where can I order it? I found like 3 different websites, and I'm not sure which one is the real one or the correct one, I'm just afraid of scams. Thanks! Great channel man!
dude, you realize there is like up to a 20% difference in each pot, as to their individual resistance values, so just pointing everything at noon isn't going to give you the same value from any analog pedal to another. It would be a better comparison if you just get the knobs close and try to match settings, you might find that they are the same, just difference in knob placement due to the pot values being different.
I have to wonder if two old pedals would sound slightly different too, as all components have slight tolerance differences, and maybe would not sound identical. Like the KTR is meant to be the same circuit as the Klon but do they sound identical? PS i wonder what the new MXR Duke of Tone is like too? Surely easier to get your hands on PPS commented before you talked about tweaking the trim pots, my bad...
Yeah you’re absolutely right, probably two old ones would also sound ever so slightly different with the exact same knob settings. Pot tapers are always a little different. Thanks for watching and yeah, can’t wait to test the Duke.
Thanks for the video Kris. Love my KOT. Just curious, how do you usually set up your Kot......is it overdrive on left side and distortion on the right? Thanks
Thanks a lot! Yeah, I tend to go for OD on the yellow side and DIST for the red side. You get an awful lot of dynamic range this way and the sides stack ridiculously well this way. Cheers
I have the Prince and it’s my favorite pedal of all time. I always thought these would be all hype, no. The saturation of these pedals, you’re not getting that anywhere else. Although, I’ve not played any of the inexpensive clones but I want to.
It’s a matter of taste. I thought I’d like the left side for high gain (which comes after the right side) but then I tried both directions and liked the right side for high gain much more. 🤷♂️ Safest is high gain for both sides of course.
Hi chris .great video well done.i did what you just said ive been on the waiting list for 3 years now.but i bought a used purple kot beacause i couldnt wait any longer its an amazing pedal.i love it.when finally i get the new one i will sell the old one.yayyyy.happy days..then i went crazy and i found a pot for really cheap money mint and boxed it turned out to be from the first 100 pedal batch made.another happy day.👍👍🔥🔥👍👍👍
@@KrisBarocsi hi, can you Tell me how do you got this pedal, cause of the fact that Analogman doesn't ship to germany anymore? They say german customs won't let it through caus it hasn't rhos certified?
It’s funny that the KOT gang is so fussy on parts when other pedals such as the Duellist go SMD and get a pass, some even prefer it? Be curious to see if and when the KOT goes SMD how much the older hand built, full component models will be worth?
1. They actually sound different. Even if you adjust the trimpods, the new unit has more treble, yes, but the other muffled frequencies remain. Of course there are component tolerances, I realise that, but that's why you should always try equipment in a shop and not buy online ... at least if you care enough about the sound to spend more than 100 bucks on a pedal (which is, of course, completely unnecessary. We all know that). 2. Only because the parts look the same does not mean that they are actually the same. There are things like varying values, different production batches, etc. 3. Your tactic is EXACTLY what is causing used prices to skyrocket. This "trick" you are referring to is not new, but has been used by everyone since waitlist pedals have been a thing. Everyone who resells their pedal compensates AT LEAST for the loss in shipping and possibly customs costs they had to pay to get it. That way this kind of pedals always become a little more expensive with each trade. ...(and I'm not even talking about the aholes who just buy them for pure profit and immediately sell them after their bulk purchase). 4. There are ridiculously cheap clones of this (and almost all other) pedals that sound pretty much identical, at least to the new pedal (again #parttolerances). Literally NOBODY but you (on a good day in a one-to-one comparison situation) is going to hear the difference between an original and a clone anyway, so buying originals (new or used) is exactly the kind of pedal snobbery you probably think you're not guilty of.... And don't get me started on the pedal cloning moral debate. There is NO reasonable argument against buying clones that would hold water in a honest conversation based on logic and facts, not marketing propaganda BS that tries to make you believe that cloning an audio circuit is somehow OK while cloning the exterior for some dubious reason is a big no-no. #jhs 😅🤯 5. Sorry, you wanted my thoughts. Here they are. I can not lie. ...At least this will help to (clean)boost your video.
Eine Sache würde mich noch interessieren: wie hast du das Pedal in Deutschland einführen können? Soweit ich weiß, versendet Analogman nicht nach Deutschland. Keine Sorge, ich bin nicht vom Zoll 😉 ich bin lediglich auch auf der Warteliste und bin mir unsicher, wie ich es bekommen kann, wenn es soweit ist.
Is it possible that one old KoT sounds different than another old KoT, and likewise one newer KoT sounds different than another new one? There are many thousands of these out there now, surely there is a notable margin of difference between all of them?
Yes that is exactly my point. And that’s why some people online should just relax and stop writing stuff like “it’s not the same anymore, blah blah”. 😅 It’s still the same pedal and yeah all of them might sound slightly different thanks to different pot tapers etc. It’s all good, no need to panic. 🤪
It is ridiculous that ppl only get on the list to just immediately sell it. Making the list absolutely horrendous. I got on the list on june 6 2019. I just checked the date and he's now building pedals for ppl from April 2018. So maybe another 2 year wait.
There is a difference. i like the old one a little better because of just one of the A/Bs where your repeated playing that Am chord. The new one was a little muddier there for sure. I know you adjusted something after that. Some of the A/B's were super close to the point where it didn't make any real difference to me but the old one sounds a little more open to me in general after listenng to everything. For the record, I don't own one (new or old) and I have no plans to buy one. Just responding to the comparison.
I have a KOT from like 2019 or 2020, and I built a clone using an internet parts list and substituted a lot of different components as the normal stuff was unobtainium at the time. Guess what, they sound almost indistinguishable. I'm a KOT fanboy, but I can tell you I have recorded with both and I couldn't tell a difference in a blind test. I'm still on the list for another--just cause it's the only drive I use. I'll probably get downvoted on this, and that's fine, but sounds an awful like the purple one has the high gain mod on both sides and the other one doesn't--just saying...
Look I may be the only one here, but I genuinely couldn't believe when you said that you could hear a difference on your first test without good monitors/headphones. I've listened now under headphones and with phone speakers and studio monitors and I struggle to tell the difference here in the video between the two regardless of sound system. I can accept that the level in the room may be appreciably different, and would concede that the two pedals did seem to have different volume output. Would be genuinely interested to know if you could tell your own two pedals apart in a blind test with the levels normalized.
@@qddk9545 I can assure you my hearing is fine through about 10.2k my man. I went to school for jazz saxophone and started teaching myself guitar when the lockdowns started. I'll admit to not being as familiar with OD and rock sounds, but I sincerely believe a huge part of this is in your head
I’ll keep both I think since I didn’t pay 800 (or even more) for the used one. I wanna have a backup KoT in case the main one brakes or someone steals it at a gig. Unfortunately some idiots steal stuff at shows and I wanna be prepared. Haha
Even his old one isn't that old, the older of the V4 KOT had single input/output jacks that were black and plastic like still found on the POTs and they were more centered on their respective sides of the power jack because Analogman wasn't doing a 4 jack option yet.
I thought I posted this info but don't see it... We changed the value of the TREBLE trimpot in the last few years to make it easier to dial in. THe factory setting is all the way down, and that's the same no matter the value (0 ohms). But the new one goes up slower, so you can turn it more before it gets too bright, making it easier to dial in. So a newer one needs the trimpot turned more than an old one. Thanks and hope that helps!
Thanks a lot for the clarification Mike. That’s exactly what I experienced and it does make sense. I can see keeping that treble trimpot pretty low E.g. on Fender blackface style amps. 👍
Your work is much appreciated! 🙏 Cheers!
@@KrisBarocsiwould you follow the suggestion and redo the AB test.
Just watch a video of analog an at his workshop.
The tolerance of the components, like pots, etc could be almost 10% above or below the values, and also you might not have the same clipping diodes, as they are obsolete and running out. Mike is pretty secretive (and rightly so) about them, but the replacement diodes that can be used in the circuit are very similar, the difference will be subtle. Both pedals sound fantastic, and alone in a mix would be totally fine. Even comparing two pedals one after the other built at the same time would have subtle differences due to tolerances.
A buddy of mine built a little switching box for his pedals and four of us ran our collection of TSs through it one night. All the ways people describe the different versions online apply to all of them, even within the same build year. I ended up trading both of mine for two that I liked better. It was a productive night.
tolerances are even bigger, 20% is standard on capacitors, 25% on potentiometers making your point even more important to consider. the simple fact is, the new components have exactly zero bearing on what we hear in the real world
This is all hype to keep pushing KOT prices up so people think the old ones are worth paying for more -eventually pre whenever pedals will be 1500-watch -and people will buy the snake oil.
I've got a couple of KOT and Prince Of Tone clones by a few different builders. One time when I was thinning out my pedal collection a guy mentioned having a KOT, so when he came to check out the pedals he was interested in, I convinced him to bring the KOT to compare to my clones.
The difference was negligible. It might even be a matter of the trim pot settings we each had, since we never adjusted them.
I was on the list for a KOT, but I honestly can't afford to but it now. I got on the list after getting my clones, but divorce has a way of wiping out your expendable income.
Maybe some day, but not for a while.
@@thisdyingsoul76 I own a KOT with the original diodes and a Chinese clone of it. Both are "higher" gain on both sides. I can easily adjust them to sound identical. I prefer the real thing on my board, of course, but now I have an inexpensive backup. If you are buying a new one, definitely consider getting both sides "higher gain." It gives usable gain across a wider sweep of the gain potentiometer. Some clones have a switch on the resistor that sets the op amp gain so you can try it both ways.
My 2 cents: The schematic of the KoT is relatively simple. There are no mythical diodes. As long as you get the same OpAmp and you bias it with the same resistor values, two pedals will be identical in sound. If you hear major differences, these will likely come from tolerances in the potentiometers. Most people assume that two 100k pots set at the same visual position will have the same value. More often than not that’s just not the case. These pots can have tolerances up to 10% meaning that in a worst case, two 100k pots both set at 12 o’clock (50% resistance), one could be 45k and the other one 55k. On top of that, the pedal doesn’t have one pot, but four (including the internal trimmer for presence). My point being: I would be surprised if you have two models of the same pedal visually set to the same settings and they sound exactly the same. Even in the same batch.
I use a king of drive (demonfx), and listening to these two, I'd say it's ballpark. Not any better or worse. I would venture to say you are on the money with your analysis.
I can concur with this having built a clone with really dissimilar parts. (Never gig without a backup!)
there are definitely magic diodes. you got to believe.
@@rabidgoon I believe! Where can I donate to this cause?
I build a lot of pedals and I can agree 100%. You can have the same components from the same manufacturer and still hear differences at the same settings. You should always be able to match sounds within the tolerance of the potentiometer, so instead of it being at 3 o’clock like it is on the original maybe it’s at 3:45 on the next one to get identical tone. That’s just electrical components for ya.
Tolerances mean differences in resistance which definitely affects the tonal quality of a circuit.
I'm a big fan of the KOT pedal and I also have 2, one on my pedal board and one loose for most of my gigs where I'd rather just use 2 or 3 pedals strung together as needed for the situation. The great thing that this pedal does so well is react to your touch and variations in left hand attack and technique as you so well illustrated in your video. It's also a very "natural" sounding pedal and responds well to both single coil and humbucker pickups. I haven't found anything else yet that equals or surpasses the KOT, at least for me.
great video and advice!!
Fun Fact - just after watching this vid I doublechecked my mailbox and found I got my note a few days ago that I had reached top of the list. So my KOT is in the process of being produced now and will hopefully make it all the way to my house within a few days / weeks. Can't wait to finally receive my KOT :)
That is awesome buddy, enjoy the pedal!! 😁
@@KrisBarocsi thanks my friend!! will do so :)
What options did u go with?
@@tom22333 Hi Tom, I went with higher gain option on red side. Rest all default. Two-jack-option. It's really great. The dynamic and feel is really something special. I would describe it as very amp-like and dynamic. So far I have left the inside trim-pots that this vid is refering to in default position
Thanks this was really useful. We must have ordered ours on the same day ! Mine arrived 2 weeks ago and I had just the questions that you answered . My first observation is that the volume control is sensible I find most drive pedals today have way too much volume gain you can really use the full volume range on the KoT.
Mine arrived 2-3 weeks ago as well!
I use my Beano Boost into the red side of my King of Tone more than I stack the Red and Yellow sides. If you don't want to wait, I recommend getting a Prince/Duke of Tone and stacking it with a Beano Boost. THAT is the magical combination to me.
Prince (or Duke) of Tone has a little more gain available than the KoT so you get a larger tonal palette, if you like higher gain. And no waiting list.
The new gold enclosure one sounds a little brighter when dialed in to the same settings as the old one. I attribute this to the lighter colour shade of the gold paint over the darker purple painted enclosure which provides a darker tone overall,... the paint bro,... it's all in the paint.
I'd love to hear your opinion on the New MXR Duke of Tone? - It sounds really good, form the videos that I have seen. ( always different in person ). Great job with this.
I got a Duke, and the important thing to realize is that it comes with the internal trim pot turned up, and the Prince comes all the way down. Turn the Duke down and it’s *very* close. Feels very close, too.
its "from" 325$ now...more expensive . I am on the 3 days difference from the day I got on the list (august 13th 2018). I am very thrilled
Interesting. Even on phone speaker I was thinking the old one had a bit more "air". So I chuckled when you described it as "space" - I wasn't hearing things.
I guess every electrical component has a tolerance. 2%, 5%, 10%. Even identical circuits with same brand components could conceivably have compounding tolerances that need slightly different knob positions to give the same result. It's handy that there's internal knobs for even more tweaking.
It's not about component tolerance here. Mike from Analog Man just made the internal Treble pots starts from a lower value. I think that was deliberated and I remember reading this somewhere.
all parts have tolerances so this is super flawed. You need to measure the resistance on each pot for both units to make sure they are actually set the same... I have been building pedals and amps for a long time, They are the same pedals
EDIT: Theres also two trimpots inside for presence. Im guessing they arent set identical.
Both sounds awesome the gold one sounded a little thicker after those knobs in back were adjusted..2thumbs up.
The newer one sounds more compressed... but honestly they're both awesome and I would be very happy with either. Great chops!
I’m a happy owner of a 2018 pedal and got right back on the waiting list again, for the same reason (and I’m still waiting for the new one). The old one is my go-to, and I practice with it almost every day. (And so far nothing has replaced it in my practice rig… it’s the whole practice rig!)
Refreshing to hear that all’s well, and good to know about adjusting the presence knob for the new one when it arrives.
But why the OD+distortion settings? I love the boost side as an always-on clean sound!
The KOT ships with the red side OD, and the yellow side Clean Boost. You can set each side individually to Clean boost, OD, or Distortion with dip switches on the circuit board. They switch between no clipping diodes, clipping diodes with 0.6V forward drop, and clipping diodes with a lower voltage drop than 0.6V. Clipping at a lower voltage sounds more compressed and agressive. For a while I was using both sides clean boost, which is great for clean and light OD. Also good for slamming the input of a tube amp.
Great video comparison! And nice chops!!
@@mmckinney525 Thanks so much!
Hi Kris, your old one has more presence and body to my ear, whether you tweak the inner parts or not. The second hand ones are ridiculously overpriced. I had one that I sold for the price I bought it. It is undoubtedly a good pedal, but not better than other double OD’s like the zeta, the honeybee, gladio, or my preferred one: the CmatMods SuperSigna I still consider it is the best double OD ever. My advice: buy what you hear not what you see or read about. Cheers
There is definitely a difference. But more on the clean side of both pedals. I listened to this with on ear Sens. phones set flat. There IS a difference to my ears.
The pedals may have the says specs but you need to take into account the tolerances of the components used. For pots and capacitors, this can be up 20%. So, for example, at 100k pot could range between 80k and 120k in some extreme examples. Resistors are usually 1% to 5% depending on the type. Hence why in this video, tweaking the internal pots were able to get the two pedals to sound to same.
I highly doubt that Analogman is pulling old parts out of other electronics. Rather, just looking online.
Hi Kris! I would love to have your opinion on the Duke of Tone that MXR just released in collaboration with AnalogMan
Came here for this comment 🤔
I will totally do a little shootout between the MXR and the KoT as soon as I can put my hands on one. 💪
KOT is a great pedal! Just got mine from analogman a couple weeks ago and I love it. It was worth the wait.
Congrats! It’s a really great pedal and that internal treble pot makes it work with anything from blackface amps to super warm sounding ones. I love it.
Currently he is shipping Jan 6th, 2018 orders. I got on the waiting list on Nov 2nd, 2021. I have another 3 years, 9 months, and 27 days of waiting.
Not only are they so close, it doesn’t matter, but a knob could be one spline off on the stem, so setting the knobs by site is not valid. Ps…. Identical vox wahs have different sweeps
Will Mike adjust the internal settings to match the older KOT for me when I place my order? I don't want to risk damaging the pedal in any way, not after a five-year wait. Mine arrives some time later this year...great comparison, Kris.
I’m on the waiting list for almost two years now, but no rush… I already put my name with the “forget it and one day I’ll have a pleasant surprise” mentality. Hahaha
About the comparison, I came to this conclusion: I need a Revv Dynamis. 😂😂😂
Cheers, mate! Awesome playing as always!
You’re doing it right buddy, get on the list and forget about it. 👌
And dude, you’re so right about the Revv. That’s the real hero here on my channel. I need to make a video on it. It’s ridiculous how EVERY single overdrive sounds perfect through the Dynamis. I still can’t believe how good it is. 🤩
I really like the King of drive by Demonfx with the left side (amp) set to distortion.
A very accurate and fair analysis of the 'King'. It's still the 'King' in my book. Also own 2.
I got my email today (Yay!) after a little over 5 year wait. They are now $325 w/no options...
Wow, that’s awesome dude!!! Go for it, you’ll love it!! And yeah, the price was the same for so many years but after such a long time they had to match up with inflation and co. It’s still 100% worth it.
Let me highlight a small moment of the demonstration. It is 3 secs only, starting at 9:00! What is happening in this short time? Kris plays a lovely little motif that includes:
1. A rake on the muted strings 2. Hammer on. 3. Slide up. 4. Bend. 5. Quick half note slide up and down combined with the release!!! 🤯 6. Pull off 7. Nice vibrato. 8. Two notes picked 9. Slight vibrato on the second note. 9. Picked and slightly bent note. 10. Closing rake on the muted strings.
All of these in 3 seconds! So if you are looking for a recipe for "tasty" playing, here is a perfect example! Awesome! Congrats Kris!
Set the playing speed to half and check yourself! 9:00
Aww man, I don’t think anyone ever analyzed my playing before. I certainly didn’t. 😅 Thanks so much for the kind words, I’m humbled. 💛
@@KrisBarocsi Well, if I want to (try to) learn what you play I have to analyze it! 😉 And this tiny part has so many nice details that I had to share it! Thanks for your videos and for your music again! 😊
You mean the Hold the Line section? He plays great, but he’s really not doing anything special there, sorry!
@@edwardjons8684 I think step 5. (I wrote above) not a simple motif at all.
But maybe you are right and Kris "did not do any special". But he combines a lot of things very nicely! And all of those small details make great playing!
You know the same notes can be played in a lot of different ways. I like the way of Kris and in my opinion, it is worth the attention. 🙂
Seems like it's just the drift of tolerance in the potentiometers. There can be up to a 10% drift in variance in each potentiometer, so with that many potentiometers in play on each side, that's quite a bit of variance that can be had. A couple minor adjustments as illustrated in the video can make them sound virtually identical. I am curious to see what kind of consistency we'll see from the MXR production of the Duke of Tone. Only time will tell.
Exactly, so much truth in your comment. 👍 I don’t know about the consistency of the MXRs but what I know is that I’m about to shoot a comparison video with it. 😉
@@KrisBarocsi fantastic! Looking forward to watching it!
Thanks for the informative and so well done video. I have a 2009 regular KoT and when compare the guts to this from your pics I see a few different components. I am also in the KoT waiting list and it looks like next spring will come my turn for a new one pedal so when I have it I will make similar video comparison between them. Cheers! 🍻
That’s cool, yeah please make that video. I’m guessing you’ll get very similar tone with the pedals and after minor tweaking they’ll sound and feel the nearly same.
That playing in the intro was spectacular!
Thanks so much!
My favourite part of this great video is your saying that you hate people exploiting the rarity for profit. It’s refreshing to hear someone say this. I hate it too. I can afford second hand prices but I refuse to participate in this insidious market. There are people who want to play these pedals, rather than profit them. Exploitation is selfish and damaging to the guitar community.
100% man! Thanks for the kind words!
We’re only hearing parts tolerances. There are not obsolete components in the Marshall Bluesbreaker circuit, which is what the KOT is a very slightly and simply modded clone of. The internal trimmer is just reducing the effect of the .01uf treble-cutting cap to ground of the original Marshall circuit, different tapers can give very different results when putting pots in the same positions.
The original Marshall circuit designer is the real genius of the most natural overdrive pedal circuit ever made. The KOT is really a very hyped pedal!
I don't remember when I signed up, but that was years ago, and completely forgot. Early this year, suddenly an e-mail from Analogman: you can order your King of Tone! WOW ...but I haven't done it yet, I'm happy with pedalboard for now....
HOWEVER! Now that Fulltone is (most likely?) closed, and everything with Fulltone on it multiplies in price on a daily basis, maybe I'll sell my (dirt cheap and absolutely amazing) Fulldrive 2 to cover the cost..... :D
I really like the aesthetic of the gold one. It reminds me of the Sunface.
i just bought a KOT v4 w/ the High Gain mod. It is mint condition w/ the box and swag. Paid $950. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd pay that much for a pedal. I only paid $600 for my Klon KTR. I thought the Klon would be my most expensive pedal. My KOT is #7902
Had my KoT for 5 years and didn’t know (or maybe just forgot) about the internal presence knob. Have to give that a play.
I did the same thing, got on the list in 2018 and bought one used. I just can’t get rid of the old one tough lol
Hi Kris, honestly I think that you cheated us, because you played not only with the K.O.T. but with your H.O.T. (Hands Of Tone)...
Maaaan, what an amazing, crispy, clear, beautiful tone you have!!!
I'm on the waiting list since the summer of 2018, pretty close to receive mine!! Pretty excited!!! ⚡⚡🔥🔥🎸🎸
You're awesome man. My Kot is gold with 4 Jack's like yours. I've also waited a lot not intirely by analogman's fault...long history. I've always thought that your older pedal was brighter and more live than mine. I'm really happy with this video for finding I can tune it better 😊. Thank you Kris you are awesome.
Thanks so much man! Enjoy that golden beauty! It doesn’t make too much sence to take a picture of the internal treble pot because the taper of those parts might be slightly different on every KoT. Mine is (as told) around 3-4 out of 10 and that’s where it sounds best with my rig. Test yours with different treble settings, you’ll find the sweetest setting with your rig. Cheers
Hi Kris! from what year your old KOT? and from what year the newer version v4 strated? thank you. love your channel! so helpful and fun to listen to.
Great video, thanks!
Thats happens to with my greer amps lightspeed, and boss od1 i have 3 MIJ and 2 boss ds1 atm. The oldest one have this "chewiness" than the newer ones. I do try to match everything knob setting in each pedals because of the tolerance different.
I dont know, maybe my mind playing trick on me or my ear to tired. But thats what i find out
I wouldn't mind having old or new but for some reason I prefer the newer version- maybe because it sounds less fuzzy? Great sounds and playing as usual
What about the Duke!?
+2 🙋🏽♂️
+3 😆 I’m looking forward to testing and comparing that one as soon as I can.
@@KrisBarocsi 😂, if the king of tone is predisposed and the Duke plugs into a Victory Duchess , would that cause a Royal Rumble?
@@PooNinja definitely 😆
in a few years....I'm guessing components will increasing be hard to come by and the V4 KOT will be selling like Klons in the $3000-$6000 range.
The most geeky advise I heard this week belongs to.... YOU!! At the end of the video. Congratulation! ^^
Great video btw
Hey Kris it would be cool if you did a shootout between the KOT and the Pantheon Deluxe haven't seen anyone do that yet.
Well… lucky you 😆 I did a video on that. ruclips.net/video/mVSM6HMz5J4/видео.html
The wait list is over four-and-a-half years now, so I'm wondering if I should wait another two and a half years or just get the MXR Duke of Tone when it comes out...
Hey bro.yes get the mxr dot ive been on the waiting list for 3 years now .i bought the kot on the black market .the waiting list is very long.
@@vintagetone22 It's now up to six years. They're only up to August 2018.
Dude, kris, the best part of your videos is your playing. Dude your an amazing player
Aww man, thanks a lot! I really appreciate it! 🙌
In 4 years i will finally have one, and im perfectly fine with it being slightly different. And im in no rush to have one. I just want to be able to play it within my life and im not willing to pay 700-1,200 bucks for one. Definitely going to check out the Duke of Tone in October when it releases too. Im curious if i put the Duke of Tone after my Toxic Twins and stack the Blues Breaker side into the Duke if it will sound very close to an actual KoT since they are both very good Blues Breaker circuits that have the options of clean boost, hard clipping and soft clipping just like both sides of the KoT.
I have one from 2013 that has always been my go to. Then I bought a second one in 2017ish and hated it, so I sold it. I just got my third one about 6months ago (gold 4 jack too) and it sounds ever so slightly better that my old one! Weird 🤷🏽♂️
No two pedals off a production line sound the exact same. All components (pots, resistors, caps) have a tolerance. High quality parts are usually around 5%. That means something like a volume pot that is suppose to be 150k can be + or - 5%. That works out to 7.5 ohm. So your 150k pot could be 142.5k - 157.5k. That is a bit of difference on total output and knob sweep. Now replicate this for every pot, resistor and capacitor in a circuit and you will quickly see why no two pedals sound EXACTLY the same.
This is with modern tolerances. Back in the day the tolerances were way wider. Sometimes up to 20%! That’s why you hear stories of players playing 20 fuzz faces in the 60’s to find the right one. Just imagine 20% more or less bass, fuzz, output, etc.
Absolutely. That’s why it was so easy to match the tone of these two. +-5% or less is not an issue.
If you have the high gain option on both pedals you don't really have one of the "old ones" you have one of the somewhat newer v4s. That said even with the high gain option there are component changes depending on when you got the v4. When I got my 2nd KoT maybe 9 years ago, I sent an email to Mike telling him they sounded different and what changed. He confirmed a component change (new component was actually more expensive - but the stock pile of the old compoenent ran out). That said, both were very close to each other and sounded fine. I cracked the pedals open and sure enough, yes the compoenets are different. Your 2018 is awfuly "new" and I'd be surprised if the components changed drastically in that timeframe, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that all KoTs over the entire history of v4 do have some subtle part differences in fact, I know of 3 changes to a cap component over the history which is easy to spot with the color differences. That said, even 2 KoTs off the same line with the same components will sound slightly different at the same settings due to part tolerences - nothing to get worked up about though. I've owned 3 KoTs and played a few more. Still have 1 as a staple on my board for many years. I'll get another one just as a backup in case of failure (which has happened as switches can and do fail on boutique pedals - which is an area that could easily be improved upon with better quality).
Thanks for the infos Brian! Yeah, a drive pedal has many components that are not super relevant to its tone. That being said, there are a few that are way more important than many assume. To me it looks like Mike sticked to all the parts that make this pedal have a certain tonal character, dynamic range etc. If he has to change a few of “the other parts” over the years, I don’t mind that. There are 4 years between these two and the only difference is the taper of the internal treble pot. After my slight adjustment the pedals sound and feel identical. That’s good enough for me. Haha! Cheers
Would you share the cap changes? I too agree there is a difference in sound from earlier KOT’s I’ve owned or played!
@@aaronlsuton I'm having trouble digging up the details I had. But I recall the newer caps are gold and the old ones were blue. (and sorry, I know the color of the cap isn't what you were looking for).
Always like the riffs and phrasing. Great pedal and P-90’s might just be the perfect pickup. Great combo!
After years I got the KOT sold it on not to long after, as there’s other pedals I prefer, maybe it just didn’t work with my Marshall jvm410h Joe Satriani model?it’s a great pedal but not as good as I was expecting sadly.
Hello!!! thanks for your content greatly received.
I would like to express my interest in the king of tone but is not very clear to me the 4 jack use,
is it even possible for you to do a video with how those work? and why they are actually more pricey ?
I can't seem to find any information or schematics about how are they supposed to work.
Idk about any of this all I know is it’s my favorite overdrive and I love it.
Great demo and the usual awesome playing.
Don't forget that Analogman pedals are handbuilt, so there will be slight differences from one pedal to another. Analog Mike Piera is a great pedal designer/builder, and his pedals are very consistent, very well built and very good value for your money. I think both Kings of Tone sound great, and I'm glad you finally got the one you wanted, plus, it looks great, too! Rock on, Brother!
buy 2 Dukes and you have the KOT bit more expensive that the original one from Analog Man but way cheaper than a way overinflated second-hand one
Excellent video and some hella tasty playing! Subbed!
Much appreciated man! 🙏
Hey! Great video, love the pedal, where can I order it? I found like 3 different websites, and I'm not sure which one is the real one or the correct one, I'm just afraid of scams. Thanks! Great channel man!
dude, you realize there is like up to a 20% difference in each pot, as to their individual resistance values, so just pointing everything at noon isn't going to give you the same value from any analog pedal to another. It would be a better comparison if you just get the knobs close and try to match settings, you might find that they are the same, just difference in knob placement due to the pot values being different.
I have to wonder if two old pedals would sound slightly different too, as all components have slight tolerance differences, and maybe would not sound identical. Like the KTR is meant to be the same circuit as the Klon but do they sound identical?
PS i wonder what the new MXR Duke of Tone is like too? Surely easier to get your hands on
PPS commented before you talked about tweaking the trim pots, my bad...
Yeah you’re absolutely right, probably two old ones would also sound ever so slightly different with the exact same knob settings. Pot tapers are always a little different. Thanks for watching and yeah, can’t wait to test the Duke.
Great video! What camera do you use? It looks amazing.
Thanks a lot! I use 2 Lumix S5 cams. One of them is the newer MkII with the (finally) awesome phase detection auto focus. Amazing cams.
@@KrisBarocsi thank you!
I just got mine. It took just over 5 years.
Thanks for the video Kris. Love my KOT. Just curious, how do you usually set up your Kot......is it overdrive on left side and distortion on the right? Thanks
Thanks a lot! Yeah, I tend to go for OD on the yellow side and DIST for the red side. You get an awful lot of dynamic range this way and the sides stack ridiculously well this way. Cheers
@@KrisBarocsi I see you have both the OD and Dist selected "on" on the Red side. Is that setting similar to the Toxic Twins in the same setting?
I have the Prince and it’s my favorite pedal of all time. I always thought these would be all hype, no. The saturation of these pedals, you’re not getting that anywhere else. Although, I’ve not played any of the inexpensive clones but I want to.
Which side is better for the high gain option...left, right or both?
It’s a matter of taste. I thought I’d like the left side for high gain (which comes after the right side) but then I tried both directions and liked the right side for high gain much more. 🤷♂️ Safest is high gain for both sides of course.
Hi chris .great video well done.i did what you just said ive been on the waiting list for 3 years now.but i bought a used purple kot beacause i couldnt wait any longer its an amazing pedal.i love it.when finally i get the new one i will sell the old one.yayyyy.happy days..then i went crazy and i found a pot for really cheap money mint and boxed it turned out to be from the first 100 pedal batch made.another happy day.👍👍🔥🔥👍👍👍
Hey man, thanks so much! Yeah you were pretty clever about the used kot meanwhile waiting for the new one. 👌
@@KrisBarocsi hi, can you Tell me how do you got this pedal, cause of the fact that Analogman doesn't ship to germany anymore? They say german customs won't let it through caus it hasn't rhos certified?
I think that the new pedal is very cool and maybe I'll buy it becouse the sound is better to my ears than the old....
sounds the same to me. Awesome playing to boot. 👍
Thank you! 🙏
I waited 3 years for mine, worth the wait, and no it’s not for sale!
You would be awesome if you post a amplified picture of the presence knobs. Kind regards
Fantastic video!
Thanks man!!
Great tones, right of the bat I thought the new one sounded way better more dynamic
I have 2 Kot they both sound great!
It’s funny that the KOT gang is so fussy on parts when other pedals such as the Duellist go SMD and get a pass, some even prefer it? Be curious to see if and when the KOT goes SMD how much the older hand built, full component models will be worth?
I get your logic for getting both, get the used one until the new one arrives, and sell the used. Very smart move.
1. They actually sound different. Even if you adjust the trimpods, the new unit has more treble, yes, but the other muffled frequencies remain. Of course there are component tolerances, I realise that, but that's why you should always try equipment in a shop and not buy online ... at least if you care enough about the sound to spend more than 100 bucks on a pedal (which is, of course, completely unnecessary. We all know that).
2. Only because the parts look the same does not mean that they are actually the same. There are things like varying values, different production batches, etc.
3. Your tactic is EXACTLY what is causing used prices to skyrocket. This "trick" you are referring to is not new, but has been used by everyone since waitlist pedals have been a thing. Everyone who resells their pedal compensates AT LEAST for the loss in shipping and possibly customs costs they had to pay to get it. That way this kind of pedals always become a little more expensive with each trade. ...(and I'm not even talking about the aholes who just buy them for pure profit and immediately sell them after their bulk purchase).
4. There are ridiculously cheap clones of this (and almost all other) pedals that sound pretty much identical, at least to the new pedal (again #parttolerances). Literally NOBODY but you (on a good day in a one-to-one comparison situation) is going to hear the difference between an original and a clone anyway, so buying originals (new or used) is exactly the kind of pedal snobbery you probably think you're not guilty of....
And don't get me started on the pedal cloning moral debate. There is NO reasonable argument against buying clones that would hold water in a honest conversation based on logic and facts, not marketing propaganda BS that tries to make you believe that cloning an audio circuit is somehow OK while cloning the exterior for some dubious reason is a big no-no. #jhs 😅🤯
5. Sorry, you wanted my thoughts. Here they are. I can not lie. ...At least this will help to (clean)boost your video.
Cool! I think the New one has the Higher Gain! 🤘👽👽👽
Eine Sache würde mich noch interessieren: wie hast du das Pedal in Deutschland einführen können? Soweit ich weiß, versendet Analogman nicht nach Deutschland. Keine Sorge, ich bin nicht vom Zoll 😉 ich bin lediglich auch auf der Warteliste und bin mir unsicher, wie ich es bekommen kann, wenn es soweit ist.
Your Tele is so nice! It looks like $120.000 value guitar hahaha :D. The first tele that made, also in excellent condition :D.
Kris, where did you get this maneki neko from? It's awesome!
Thanks man! It’s a custom made one by my brother in law. He 3D printed the rocker hand and the tele. It’s awesome, isn’t it? 💪😜
@@KrisBarocsi It's remarkably beautiful!
I built a clone myself and it sounds the same. I love KOT.
Is it possible that one old KoT sounds different than another old KoT, and likewise one newer KoT sounds different than another new one? There are many thousands of these out there now, surely there is a notable margin of difference between all of them?
Yes that is exactly my point. And that’s why some people online should just relax and stop writing stuff like “it’s not the same anymore, blah blah”. 😅 It’s still the same pedal and yeah all of them might sound slightly different thanks to different pot tapers etc. It’s all good, no need to panic. 🤪
It is ridiculous that ppl only get on the list to just immediately sell it. Making the list absolutely horrendous. I got on the list on june 6 2019. I just checked the date and he's now building pedals for ppl from April 2018. So maybe another 2 year wait.
Great video like always
There is a difference. i like the old one a little better because of just one of the A/Bs where your repeated playing that Am chord. The new one was a little muddier there for sure. I know you adjusted something after that. Some of the A/B's were super close to the point where it didn't make any real difference to me but the old one sounds a little more open to me in general after listenng to everything. For the record, I don't own one (new or old) and I have no plans to buy one. Just responding to the comparison.
I will never find out. The only "of Tone" I can afford is the new "Duke of Tone". :D
Let’s all congratulate Analogman for his fair pricing and policy. He is 100% fair! Don’t buy from scalpers
I have a KOT from like 2019 or 2020, and I built a clone using an internet parts list and substituted a lot of different components as the normal stuff was unobtainium at the time. Guess what, they sound almost indistinguishable. I'm a KOT fanboy, but I can tell you I have recorded with both and I couldn't tell a difference in a blind test.
I'm still on the list for another--just cause it's the only drive I use.
I'll probably get downvoted on this, and that's fine, but sounds an awful like the purple one has the high gain mod on both sides and the other one doesn't--just saying...
Look I may be the only one here, but I genuinely couldn't believe when you said that you could hear a difference on your first test without good monitors/headphones. I've listened now under headphones and with phone speakers and studio monitors and I struggle to tell the difference here in the video between the two regardless of sound system. I can accept that the level in the room may be appreciably different, and would concede that the two pedals did seem to have different volume output. Would be genuinely interested to know if you could tell your own two pedals apart in a blind test with the levels normalized.
Your ears might be ´burnt off´ a little, because of high sound pressures. It is really easy to hear.
@@qddk9545 I can assure you my hearing is fine through about 10.2k my man. I went to school for jazz saxophone and started teaching myself guitar when the lockdowns started. I'll admit to not being as familiar with OD and rock sounds, but I sincerely believe a huge part of this is in your head
@@gordonhayes4800 Off course it is. It is the brain that processes what we hear 🙂
Which one are you keeping?
I’ll keep both I think since I didn’t pay 800 (or even more) for the used one. I wanna have a backup KoT in case the main one brakes or someone steals it at a gig. Unfortunately some idiots steal stuff at shows and I wanna be prepared. Haha
I'll just stick with my Wampler Pantheon. I'm not waiting 5 years for a pedal or paying overkill for used ones just to be able to say I have a KOT.
Que versión es el kot dorado?
Hey Bud when are you getting your hands on the MXR Duke of Tone?
Hopefully soon. 👍
@@KrisBarocsi can’t wait, your my main reference if i decide to buy pedals 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
So how does one identify if they have an "Old" one or a "New" one? Is there a magic serial number or something?
Even his old one isn't that old, the older of the V4 KOT had single input/output jacks that were black and plastic like still found on the POTs and they were more centered on their respective sides of the power jack because Analogman wasn't doing a 4 jack option yet.