Its a slide stop. Not slide release! Even Sig explained its a slide stop only. You gotta sling shot it. And it makes sense....under stress you fine motor skills are gone. I think many people are missing the specific purpose for the SAS. It is designed for worry free draw, acquiring the the green dot with BOTH EYES OPEN, and engaging the target with quick follow up shots. This is not a bulleye gun and it was never designed to be one. This is purely closed-quarter self defense weapon. Many evaluators in these videos are missing the concept and understanding.
You're confusing not liking something with not understanding it. I understand perfectly every design element of this pistol. Some I like, some I don't. I'm not here to simply read SIG's marketing literature, no matter how much I like the brand.
I've read many of the comments. I have the SAS and I love it. It took me. a couple of range sessions to get used to the sights. and I find them great, accurate plus there's less barrel flip. I like it so much I sold my regular 365. Some forget that this isn't a 50 yard gun. I never worry about the SAS getting hung up on something in my pocket. For me it's a keeper, it's better than anything out there.
It always puzzles me why so many people take little guns like this and try to shoot at anything much beyond 10 yards. Five to seven yards is probably ideal. It's basically a "get off of me gun". But, I really did enjoy the review and I appreciate the work that he put into it.
This was one of the most thoughtful deeper reviews yet, im so glad you re-did the center mass test w SAS, to me it proved the sight IS a learning curve, but in general, I think a great many people bypassed 365 SAS early, because they initially found these radically different sights off-putting, but in reality they missed a gem, especially in sigs newest revision. there are a number of reasons 365 SAS is well worth taking another look at, and among those is they've changed back to orig. (regular) controls, meaning standard slide lock and take down lever - a much needed revision (your thoughts were well put in this review, for sure, and sig has addressed these correctly, imho). Sig also did away with the ports which makes the SAS much more practical for carry. the one detail i think nobody (yet) has covered in any review is that people accustomed to suppressed sight picture would NOT find these sights off-putting, but rather, quite easy to get used to. The other aspect i don't think any body shined a light on, is that in regard to SAS treatment, even with the new controls being not as flush/recessed than the first revision, it IS still the most effective SAS-equipped pistol sig has made yet to date -- the omission of any physical front sight is a HUGE benefit in regard to snag avoidance, and so for those who pocket edc their 365 standards, imho, it is well worth looking into acquiring a SAS complete slide, and giving the sight a chance. in regard to more shootable - that's my last point: of all the micros out there, standard 365 micro has outstanding night sights, I find most micros very hard to hit 10's, yet w my standard 365 the donut is pretty easy to hit! So as far as what you're giving up, potentially, trying a SAS, I think it is highly subjective, based on the shooter, but I'd be willing to bet majority of the people who rejected this immediately on first pick-up might be surprised at how good a design they missed -- even more-so now, with the revisions sig has made.
This is the perfect pistol for my wife. She loves the point and shoot sights. She shoots it better than my XL. She carries in her purse in a sticky holster. The sights are somewhat dim in low light so we got her a green Crimson Trace laser zeroed at 10 yards. This is a very innovative firearm that works very well. Some love it others hate it. You say five cent peice I say nickel. Great review. 👍
Ok, I'm the odd ball here and I admit it. I carry a S&W small 38. Simply love it. I'm 64,sorta stuck in my ways, but I saw the P365 SAS and sorta fell in love with it in the store, so yes it was a spontaneous buy and I was excited to try the odd/new sights. Now this is just me. And I don't think I'm using it the way it's meant to be used, but I aim as if the sights are at the top of the gun. The S&W Airweight has a flush groove sight at the rear so I aim the SAS the same way. I DON"T focus on the green dot. BUT!!! the green dot flashes sort of once I'm on target and sure enough I hit center. So I imagine I'm looking through top surface sights and the green light is like a "Go/shoot" light. So in short, focus on target, line up the top surface of the gun as normal and when you see green, shoot. Also I must've lucked in because the green dot is spot on for me. Lastly I think I want to go to a regular barrel as I fear the vents in a carjacking situation in a car. The gun will be very close to my body. But to be fair, a revolver can hurt if the chamber is pressed against your body also. Great video Justin thanks so much. And happy range shooting folks. PS, the P365 SAS is faster and easier to unholster than my revolver. That may be the holster, but the handle is easier to grab I find.
I see as your comment was 3 years ago am about a year older. What your saying is what makes the most sense to me. Have two S&W 38's. This is why this pistol is appealing . I would not try to hold any gun close to me when firing so advise doing some hand/arm exercising or wear a wrist brace. Odd ball no way SAS looks like a winner! Peace out.
Once again you have raised the bar for the rest of us. Another well-done and informative review. The P365 SAS is still a pass for me. I could barely see the sights in the dark coupled with needing a tool to field strip it make it a no go for me. Thank you for putting so much work into this video!
I'll take 3 dot night sights and pass on sas sights and porting. Thank you for your efforts on attempting to demonstrate the effectiveness or lack there of on the porting. Interesting video.
I really like that you use a measurable, scientific approach when making comparisons. Analytics usage is a great tool, but will only take one only so far when trying to confirm or discount an an observation or analysis. Taking care to ensure that all of the environmental conditions (same consistently loaded ammo, air temperature, humidity, etc...) lends credence your observations and adds weight to "Justin Opinion". Great content sir! Keep it up!
Thanks, although I will be the first to say my method was certainly not scientific - but I try to demonstrate and articulate what I'm doing and why I think it is relevant, so that the viewer can decide if it is meaningful.
Lol, I had to drift my SAS rear sight in the same manner you did. After screwing with the SAS overall for a while I’m changing the grip module to a Wilson combat standard P365 XL frame and I’m replacing both the SAS takedown nubbin and flush slide stop with Sig’s factory standard takedown lever and slide stop in the FCU. Final step will be ordering a standard P365 slide from Sig. Oh well, it’s a little project. When it’s done I’ll have a P365 XL and a P365, both factory standard along with a Frankenstein P365X that began life as a P365 SAS, Lol.
Solid review/comparison. "The P365SAS was designed for the serious CCW user who truly understands the value of smoother draws, faster sight acquisition, and more effective engagements at realistic distances" (per SIG website marketing details). You say in your video your happy to see the SAS group well when you really take your time. I would love to hear your opinion between the two if you added some stress such as a shot timer, some movement and quick presentations from concealment. Which sight design allows for faster, consistent shots on target?
I can answer that without having to get out of my chair. Unless you put in hundreds of hours of repetitions with the Bullseye sight - irons will be faster.
i bought the sas because my local shop was out of the regular p365 so i guess i will get used to the sights, i find practicing drawing and working on my point of aim when doing so helps bring the sight on target easier and easier without having to look for the sight as much , seems to just come right to where its supposed to be with practice, for me atleast.
I rented an unported SAS at the range recently and immediately liked it. I could easily pick up the sights just by pointing. In fact, I'd prefer the ported version. The P365 points naturally for me so chances are I wouldn't need any sights at all out to 5-7 yards to get hits on a torso target (I was using reduced size torso targets that day). I didn't bother with aiming, just fired several double taps at 5 and 7 yards and got satisfactory groups. For me the main advantage is that I wouldn't need my reading glasses. I have the usual presbyopia that comes with aging eyes, and I only need reading glasses for anything at arm's length or closer. But with reading glasses to see open sights the target is blurry. With the Meprolight FT Bullseye sight on the SAS - no reading glasses - I could see the target clearly, and the green dot as a blur. The green dot came up as soon as I pointed the pistol. So with both eyes open ("aiming" with the right eye, looking at the target with the left eye) I just superimposed the green dot over the target and pulled the trigger. Very quick and accurate enough at close range. Now, to accurately align the green bullseye dot inside the green circle, yeah, I'd need reading glasses. That enabled more accurate shots at the indoor range's maximum 18 yard distance. I'm impressed enough I'm considering the Meprolight FT Bullseye for my Shield Plus. But I might hold out for a good used P365 SAS from someone who didn't quite get along with the quirky dot sight. BTW, as some other folks noted, the FT Bullseye tritium was barely visible in the range with my hand covering the top to block light from the fiber optics. That's the only drawback I could find for myself. Regarding the ported version, I've tried only the ported Performance Center version of the Shield Plus. To get maximum benefit from porting I'd consider a hyper velocity light projectile, like the Norma MHP 108 gr at heaviest, preferably something lighter, maybe in a +P. With my unported Shield Plus I'm leaning toward standard pressure 140-150 gr rounds, which feel like .38 Special from a 25 oz or heavier revolver with 4" barrel.
im glad you found a way to adjust the sights. that was the only hang up on a great gun. that and dropping in a normal barrel to remove the porting makes this the perfect pocket gun.
I just bought an SAS and find it a bit problematic. To keep this simple, the issue is the sight, not the pistol. I expected quick to pick up sights and got the opposite. There are 2 parts to this. The shooter’s eye and sight must be in nearly perfect alignment for the bullseye (dot in a circle) sight to be visible. Second, the dot should be centered in the illuminated ring for accuracy. In other words, shooting this pistol is like bullseye target shooting, though the pistol itself is meant to be a fast defensive tool. Another concern is that to my eyes the tritium portion of the sight seems weak and barely visible in the dark. The anti-snag aspect works just fine. The 365 pistol is a marvel to the point of being delightful. If the sight is improved to allow quick visual pick-up, this is going to be quite the package.
Great review.... And I agree, not all scenarios in today's world are point and shoot. As such, I frequently have at least two pistols with me when I go out... My subcompact concealed deep and if I am going into a "church" like environment where a long shot might be required, then I buckle on a larger frame weapon. Crazy it may be but, seems as though required these days.
I just picked up an sas few weeks ago, and I am going through the same learning curve as you are.. but it is getting better. Mine did not come with ports however, so it seems that Sig may be abandoning the porting idea. I do not find recoil to be an issue at all.
I bought one. The sights are counter-productive. When you need to be quick they slow you down as you try to find them. The sights need to be larger and more visible.
If you saw Andrew’s arfcom interview with the Sig guy at SHOT, there were some interesting points made about the P365SAS. One was that Sig will be coming out with an un-ported (de-ported?) version this year. Another was that the sight is designed so that, without taking the time to fully align the sight, if the gun is presented quickly then as soon as you see the green dot center mass on an assailant you will make a hit, from 5 to 7 yards. Sort of a short range RDS, if you will. I do understand Mr. Opinion’s discussion on accuracy, though. Still, good to have choices. My choice is the P365XL.
Using your background screen, definably at least to my eye, about 20-25% less muzzle flip with the SAS, and I felt the same, faster sharper too. I have the XL version…excellent pistol. Great comparison, I was curios about that sight system. Thanks.
YOUR ADJUSTMENT LOOKS LIKE YOU NAILED IT !!! NICE GROUP WITH THE STOCK P365 !!! GOTTA REMEMBER, THE SAS IS INTENDED FOR SELF DEFENSE, NOT COMPETITION !!
Justin Opinion GOOD POINT !! However, when I took my CCW course, my Instructor had me shoot Center Mass, Alternating Hands WITHOUT SIGHTS From Low Ready !!! Then Double Taps Same Drill !!! He Said I was a Natural ?? All my Previous pistol shooting Had been Pellet or BB Guns (Living in NYC) !! I’d Go Upstate, out of the City and take my Crossman’s !! Spent the Majority of my Life in Unfriendly Gun States !!! Always Had a THING for Hand Guns !! Moved to Florida Nine Years ago and Immediately WENT TO SCHOOL FIRST !! I’ve been Carrying Every Day Since !! And Collecting (modestly) !
I didn’t like it at first because the sights but I’ve learned to hit my target at 10 yards and manage to hit once on my first shot out of 12 rounds at 25 yards on a steel plate. As someone told me, it’s a “gut gun” but I really like it.
Justin, having watched many dozens of your videos you're one of the most accurate and experienced shooters I've watched and if anyone disagrees I'd like to see if they can do better. If you're struggling with the sas sights I think it's fair to say everyone would struggle. They're just crappy and hard to use man!
Interesting system to be sure. We sure appreciate your perspective. I am curious if you have looked at the New Q4 SF Walther? A head to head with the P229 Legion would be a great comparison. Thanks
I will say that I love this gun. For me the sights are faster to acquire than a typical sight. I will admit that it's not a gun for shooting groups but let's all be honest its meant to be a comfortable carry self defense pistol. Which it is. It shoots accurate enough to stop a threat and with enough shooting you can become quite proficient with it.
My suggestion for the slide catch would be to make it a half moon. That way you would get smoothness laterally but there would be a ledge for your finger to to use to manipulate it.
Brilliant analysis. Best so far. If you have the opportunity I really would like to know if the cross bolt safety on the new Mossberg mc1 provides a fluid and intuitive manual of arms when drawing. Not seen such a safety on a pistol before and expected it to be the final solution to put and end to the safety debate but have not seen much noise about it and we can't have them here.
Yep, it's weird. I could feel the difference, and some angles really show a difference and some don't. The app showed a small difference. But I agree - every little bit helps.
Justin Opinion yeah totally agree best way to describe it looks like a softer recoil, shooters understand and know every bit makes a world difference, with that being said I been on the fence about getting a 9mm comp for my Glock I just don’t know would love to see ya do test on that!
Hmmm... when I was watching you shoot using the Mantis X10 with the grid showing I was watching the top of the slide at the point of the top of the front sight. It appeared to me that the muzzle was moving almost twice as far with the standard P365 as it was with the SAS.
I did my best to find illustrations of both that were impartial and accurate - I even looked for the maximum lift of each gun. The reason I used the bottom of the dust cover as reference is because the reciprocation of the slides makes it difficult to follow the height simultaneous to rearward motion, etc. Because the dust cover does not move, I felt it made a better point of reference. Once again - I don't claim anything I do or show to be a scientific test, but I do try to illustrate reality as best I can.
@@JustinOpinionChannel And you do a great job at it. I was just thinking, because my eyes are on the front sight when shooting (well, I try anyway) that's what I would look for.
Someone I know that has it says you focus on target and just overlay the bullseye on target...and aim at 6 o'clock hold position...and is meant for 5-8yd shots...not meant to be accurate as traditional sights in rapid fire like self defense. Is meant for quick point shooting in low vis from deep concealment. To me is a niche weapon with a specialized purpose. I have the P365 with traditional night sights and controls...better fit for me after owning and carrying P239...P226 and P220 past 20+ years.
I like the standard p365. This to me is a firearm that didn’t need to happen. XS sites are just as quick to pick up. If you prefer that. P365 is a good firearm. The SAS version is just not needed.
In your opinion...that and 99 cents gets you a cup of coffee in cumberlandfarms.😂I mostly practice no sights on all my EDC as you wont be using sights at 5-10 ft. Shooting self-defense longer distance? Get a good lawyer... Plus i carry on a motorcycle 65% of the time.... ( sights would be worthless) my p365 sas hits center mass all the time.....the regular p365 is a little better at the range...but neither one are range guns....my 1911s are bulleye guns.
Doc Holiday considering others opinions matter weather they are going to purchase the firearm or not. So I disagree with you. Plus the porting is dangerous to the user at close quarter encounters. I will stick with my 3 dot and maybe a red dot in the future. Due to my vision not the best. I do agree with you about the 1911. Very few pistols fit my hand better and point more natural. Then a 1911.
I haven't shot my SAS yet, but I wish I bought a standard p375. I was a revolver guy buying my first auto. I was looking for a concealed piece and the sas was the smallest one. I may go out and get a shield or a standard Sig, maybe a Glock.
Yes, but you'll need an adapter which are a little hard to come by. Namelessarms makes some but rarely have any in stock. Another company that makes some is sastactical but their's are a pretty expensive.
This is the first time I've seen that "grid view" very nice where is That a app, or something I can buy? Good content too! Well I guess next time I will watch the COMPLETE VIDEO before I comment... ☺️
Laser would have to be elevated - there is no hole through the slide. Given the necessary electronics, it would probably be 1/2" or more in height. By that time, might as well have an optic, or mount the laser underneath where they are more efficient.
It seems to me that the SAS version is snag resistant but in exchange the sighting takes more time and effort especially if stress is added to situation. In a self defense or combat situation the delay may cause you to miss your shot or to go slower and lose the fight. In addition the porting In low light conditions may interfere with your sighting and vision because some of the burning gases , and debris is blown up in front of the shooter. The gun is also louder and maybe distracting. I think that for the vast majority of shooters the regular P365. Here’s a question, how do you do one hand slide manipulations without a rear sight and a 90 degree angle ?
I really like my SAS. But then it is the only concealed weapon I have, well except my little 25 Berretta. Anyway I am having the same problem with the sights so I want to ask, were your mounting screws really tight? Sig is telling me they are set to 12 inch pounds but I find that just a little hard to believe, these babies are tight. Also was adjusting your sights worth it? Like I said I love the gun but spending $80.00 more for something that is 6 or more inches off ............ . However these are the only sights that i can aim with both eyes open with very little difficulty. I might not hit the target but I don't get crossed eyed. Oh one more,,,,, what size T are the screws? Hey thank you. Your shows are definitely worth watching.
@@satur9satur9 My SAS is doing fine. It is my every day carry. Although I thought I knew it all, I took a few lesson from a retired sheriff. He taught me not to take the time to concentrate on the sights but to concentrate on the feel (position) of your wrist and firearm. Try it. At 25 feet or less. You might be as surprised as I am.
I agree but to play devil's advocate they can't make a version to suit everyone and let's be honest the appeal of these sigs not just the sas is where the serial number is and you can add what you like. I just seen one where a guy added the Xl grip module to the sas slide. So really I'm more happy that I can buy a cheaper part instead of having to buy a new gun.
That was a interesting video and I didn't even know that there was a adjustment for those sites. I think that those sights are ridiculous and in a self-protection situation the last thing anybody needs is to be faced with a learning curve trying to figure out where and how to align your sights. Personally would not buy that gun and I will stick with conventional sites and no porting any day.
My 365 with an RMSc milled into it doesn't snag on anything and it's more precise than both of these sighting system haha. I don't feel the sas has any merit. Especially that sight.. All the downsides of a red dot and none of the benefits. A regular 365 won't snag on anything to begin with.
Thank you for both quality reviews on this gun. I have a p365 and have been looking for a SAS for about 2 months now. I’m not really happy about it but will be required to carry the gun in a pants pocket for a extended period of time. While I will work to pick up the new site I’m very concerned that it will affect my other shooting techniques.
Do NOT BUY THIS P365 SAS PISTOL!! We need to have firearms that operate with accuracy and Sig Sauer will not stand behind the faulty sights on this firearm!! This is an expensive gun which performs poorly in terms of accuracy. Sig Sauer and others will tell you that this firearm is not designed for accuracy, BUT do you really want to have any doubts in the case of a real defense situation?? At only 12 feet distance, after Sig Sauer adjusted the sights in their factory, the sights still will not allow you to hit any part of a 3" circle (indoor tightly controlled environment, exceptional shooters). Unfortunately, every piece is probably different and not worth the investment. Sig Sauer does not even offer a Users manual for the SAS...they sent a P365 manual with a new SAS. So the manual does not address proper breakdown or the unique and inaccurate sights!! This is not a company who cares about quality experience!
At first I thought I had made a mistake with the SAS but the more I shoot it the more I like it there is definitely a leaning curve
Its a slide stop. Not slide release! Even Sig explained its a slide stop only. You gotta sling shot it. And it makes sense....under stress you fine motor skills are gone.
I think many people are missing the specific purpose for the SAS. It is designed for worry free draw, acquiring the the green dot with BOTH EYES OPEN, and engaging the target with quick follow up shots. This is not a bulleye gun and it was never designed to be one. This is purely closed-quarter self defense weapon.
Many evaluators in these videos are missing the concept and understanding.
You're confusing not liking something with not understanding it. I understand perfectly every design element of this pistol. Some I like, some I don't. I'm not here to simply read SIG's marketing literature, no matter how much I like the brand.
No excuse for the sight to be put on so clumsily by Sig.
I've read many of the comments. I have the SAS and I love it. It took me. a couple of range sessions to
get used to the sights. and I find them great, accurate plus there's less barrel flip. I like it so much I sold my regular 365. Some forget that this isn't a 50 yard gun. I never worry about the SAS getting hung up on something in my pocket. For me it's a keeper, it's better than anything out there.
It always puzzles me why so many people take little guns like this and try to shoot at anything much beyond 10 yards. Five to seven yards is probably ideal. It's basically a "get off of me gun". But, I really did enjoy the review and I appreciate the work that he put into it.
This was one of the most thoughtful deeper reviews yet, im so glad you re-did the center mass test w SAS, to me it proved the sight IS a learning curve, but in general, I think a great many people bypassed 365 SAS early, because they initially found these radically different sights off-putting, but in reality they missed a gem, especially in sigs newest revision. there are a number of reasons 365 SAS is well worth taking another look at, and among those is they've changed back to orig. (regular) controls, meaning standard slide lock and take down lever - a much needed revision (your thoughts were well put in this review, for sure, and sig has addressed these correctly, imho). Sig also did away with the ports which makes the SAS much more practical for carry. the one detail i think nobody (yet) has covered in any review is that people accustomed to suppressed sight picture would NOT find these sights off-putting, but rather, quite easy to get used to. The other aspect i don't think any body shined a light on, is that in regard to SAS treatment, even with the new controls being not as flush/recessed than the first revision, it IS still the most effective SAS-equipped pistol sig has made yet to date -- the omission of any physical front sight is a HUGE benefit in regard to snag avoidance, and so for those who pocket edc their 365 standards, imho, it is well worth looking into acquiring a SAS complete slide, and giving the sight a chance. in regard to more shootable - that's my last point: of all the micros out there, standard 365 micro has outstanding night sights, I find most micros very hard to hit 10's, yet w my standard 365 the donut is pretty easy to hit! So as far as what you're giving up, potentially, trying a SAS, I think it is highly subjective, based on the shooter, but I'd be willing to bet majority of the people who rejected this immediately on first pick-up might be surprised at how good a design they missed -- even more-so now, with the revisions sig has made.
This is the perfect pistol for my wife. She loves the point and shoot sights. She shoots it better than my XL. She carries in her purse in a sticky holster. The sights are somewhat dim in low light so we got her a green Crimson Trace laser zeroed at 10 yards. This is a very innovative firearm that works very well. Some love it others hate it. You say five cent peice I say nickel. Great review. 👍
Ok, I'm the odd ball here and I admit it. I carry a S&W small 38. Simply love it. I'm 64,sorta stuck in my ways, but I saw the P365 SAS and sorta fell in love with it in the store, so yes it was a spontaneous buy and I was excited to try the odd/new sights. Now this is just me. And I don't think I'm using it the way it's meant to be used, but I aim as if the sights are at the top of the gun. The S&W Airweight has a flush groove sight at the rear so I aim the SAS the same way. I DON"T focus on the green dot. BUT!!! the green dot flashes sort of once I'm on target and sure enough I hit center. So I imagine I'm looking through top surface sights and the green light is like a "Go/shoot" light. So in short, focus on target, line up the top surface of the gun as normal and when you see green, shoot. Also I must've lucked in because the green dot is spot on for me. Lastly I think I want to go to a regular barrel as I fear the vents in a carjacking situation in a car. The gun will be very close to my body. But to be fair, a revolver can hurt if the chamber is pressed against your body also. Great video Justin thanks so much. And happy range shooting folks. PS, the P365 SAS is faster and easier to unholster than my revolver. That may be the holster, but the handle is easier to grab I find.
I see as your comment was 3 years ago am about a year older. What your saying is what makes the most sense to me. Have two S&W 38's. This is why this pistol is appealing . I would not try to hold any gun close to me when firing so advise doing some hand/arm exercising or wear a wrist brace. Odd ball no way SAS looks like a winner! Peace out.
@@l.a.raustadt518 Still carry the gun and I have no reason to change. Glad you like the gun also. Cheers.
Once again you have raised the bar for the rest of us. Another well-done and informative review. The P365 SAS is still a pass for me. I could barely see the sights in the dark coupled with needing a tool to field strip it make it a no go for me. Thank you for putting so much work into this video!
Thanks. I don't hate it (it's still a P365) but I struggle to understand why I'd want it instead of the standard or the XL.
Field strip does not require a ‘tool’. You can use the rim of a cartridge, or like I do, I keep a penny in the case. Works just fine.
@@bchluvrxyz816 I’m sure it does. I consider using a penny or anything else a tool. If you don’t, that’s ok.
I'll take 3 dot night sights and pass on sas sights and porting. Thank you for your efforts on attempting to demonstrate the effectiveness or lack there of on the porting. Interesting video.
I really like that you use a measurable, scientific approach when making comparisons. Analytics usage is a great tool, but will only take one only so far when trying to confirm or discount an an observation or analysis. Taking care to ensure that all of the environmental conditions (same consistently loaded ammo, air temperature, humidity, etc...) lends credence your observations and adds weight to "Justin Opinion".
Great content sir! Keep it up!
Thanks, although I will be the first to say my method was certainly not scientific - but I try to demonstrate and articulate what I'm doing and why I think it is relevant, so that the viewer can decide if it is meaningful.
"sometimes it`s easier to learn something than to relearn" - that`s wisdom from a man with a few years of experience! nice!
Lol, I had to drift my SAS rear sight in the same manner you did.
After screwing with the SAS overall for a while I’m changing the grip module to a Wilson combat standard P365 XL frame and I’m replacing both the SAS takedown nubbin and flush slide stop with Sig’s factory standard takedown lever and slide stop in the FCU. Final step will be ordering a standard P365 slide from Sig.
Oh well, it’s a little project. When it’s done I’ll have a P365 XL and a P365, both factory standard along with a Frankenstein P365X that began life as a P365 SAS, Lol.
Best online analysis yet. Good job.
Solid review/comparison. "The P365SAS was designed for the serious CCW user who truly understands the value of smoother draws, faster sight acquisition, and more effective engagements at realistic distances" (per SIG website marketing details). You say in your video your happy to see the SAS group well when you really take your time. I would love to hear your opinion between the two if you added some stress such as a shot timer, some movement and quick presentations from concealment. Which sight design allows for faster, consistent shots on target?
I can answer that without having to get out of my chair. Unless you put in hundreds of hours of repetitions with the Bullseye sight - irons will be faster.
i bought the sas because my local shop was out of the regular p365 so i guess i will get used to the sights, i find practicing drawing and working on my point of aim when doing so helps bring the sight on target easier and easier without having to look for the sight as much , seems to just come right to where its supposed to be with practice, for me atleast.
I rented an unported SAS at the range recently and immediately liked it. I could easily pick up the sights just by pointing. In fact, I'd prefer the ported version.
The P365 points naturally for me so chances are I wouldn't need any sights at all out to 5-7 yards to get hits on a torso target (I was using reduced size torso targets that day). I didn't bother with aiming, just fired several double taps at 5 and 7 yards and got satisfactory groups.
For me the main advantage is that I wouldn't need my reading glasses. I have the usual presbyopia that comes with aging eyes, and I only need reading glasses for anything at arm's length or closer. But with reading glasses to see open sights the target is blurry.
With the Meprolight FT Bullseye sight on the SAS - no reading glasses - I could see the target clearly, and the green dot as a blur. The green dot came up as soon as I pointed the pistol. So with both eyes open ("aiming" with the right eye, looking at the target with the left eye) I just superimposed the green dot over the target and pulled the trigger. Very quick and accurate enough at close range.
Now, to accurately align the green bullseye dot inside the green circle, yeah, I'd need reading glasses. That enabled more accurate shots at the indoor range's maximum 18 yard distance.
I'm impressed enough I'm considering the Meprolight FT Bullseye for my Shield Plus. But I might hold out for a good used P365 SAS from someone who didn't quite get along with the quirky dot sight.
BTW, as some other folks noted, the FT Bullseye tritium was barely visible in the range with my hand covering the top to block light from the fiber optics. That's the only drawback I could find for myself.
Regarding the ported version, I've tried only the ported Performance Center version of the Shield Plus. To get maximum benefit from porting I'd consider a hyper velocity light projectile, like the Norma MHP 108 gr at heaviest, preferably something lighter, maybe in a +P. With my unported Shield Plus I'm leaning toward standard pressure 140-150 gr rounds, which feel like .38 Special from a 25 oz or heavier revolver with 4" barrel.
im glad you found a way to adjust the sights. that was the only hang up on a great gun.
that and dropping in a normal barrel to remove the porting makes this the perfect pocket gun.
Best comparison review I’ve seen on these
I just bought an SAS and find it a bit problematic. To keep this simple, the issue is the sight, not the pistol. I expected quick to pick up sights and got the opposite. There are 2 parts to this. The shooter’s eye and sight must be in nearly perfect alignment for the bullseye (dot in a circle) sight to be visible. Second, the dot should be centered in the illuminated ring for accuracy. In other words, shooting this pistol is like bullseye target shooting, though the pistol itself is meant to be a fast defensive tool.
Another concern is that to my eyes the tritium portion of the sight seems weak and barely visible in the dark.
The anti-snag aspect works just fine. The 365 pistol is a marvel to the point of being delightful. If the sight is improved to allow quick visual pick-up, this is going to be quite the package.
Own a P365,G43 and a shield. The Hellcat retired them all when I purchased it.
E King how is the hellcat? I also own the 365 and G43 and am very interested in the Hellcat.
Hed2Hed with the P365 and Hellcat is currently underway....
E King untill you get 15 round mags for 43x
Thanks for an excellent review that elicited many interesting and informative comments. Thanks guys, SF!
Great review.... And I agree, not all scenarios in today's world are point and shoot. As such, I frequently have at least two pistols with me when I go out... My subcompact concealed deep and if I am going into a "church" like environment where a long shot might be required, then I buckle on a larger frame weapon. Crazy it may be but, seems as though required these days.
I just picked up an sas few weeks ago, and I am going through the same learning curve as you are.. but it is getting better. Mine did not come with ports however, so it seems that Sig may be abandoning the porting idea. I do not find recoil to be an issue at all.
They made two variants of the SAS, as mine has no ports, which weren't appealing to me personally. If you like them then go with what suits you best.
I bought one. The sights are counter-productive. When you need to be quick they slow you down as you try to find them. The sights need to be larger and more visible.
If you saw Andrew’s arfcom interview with the Sig guy at SHOT, there were some interesting points made about the P365SAS. One was that Sig will be coming out with an un-ported (de-ported?) version this year. Another was that the sight is designed so that, without taking the time to fully align the sight, if the gun is presented quickly then as soon as you see the green dot center mass on an assailant you will make a hit, from 5 to 7 yards. Sort of a short range RDS, if you will. I do understand Mr. Opinion’s discussion on accuracy, though. Still, good to have choices. My choice is the P365XL.
Jake Lonergan Any competent pistol shooter can do that without the use of a sight.
96stealth That is true. I often use that method for close targets when Cowboy Action Shooting. I’m just saying that’s how the sight is designed.
Using your background screen, definably at least to my eye, about 20-25% less muzzle flip with the SAS, and I felt the same, faster sharper too. I have the XL version…excellent pistol. Great comparison, I was curios about that sight system. Thanks.
Brilliant analysis. Thank you.
Very good information without bravado.
Why does my new Sig P365 SAS have no ports?
2 different models. SAS-C and SAS. Believe the SAS-C is the one with the ports.
Man thank you for the Beautiful info i think you are one of the best and more accurate concepts and tutorials ... I think SAS has way less muzzle flip
I own both as well. The learning curve is there, I’ll agree with you. Do I like my SAS? Heck yes I do!
I find there is a learning curve with every handgun....regardless of sights.
Seems like you gotta cover the entire target with the whole gun because the sights are embedded low in the slide.
Thankfully Jack Wilson didn't use one of these in the church.
where is your part 1 video for the SAS review? Can't seem to find it.
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Great video and nice comparison of the two!
My SAS doesn’t have those muzzle vent holes on the top. It does have a kick recoil when I shoot. Ohh well, it fits nice in my pocket.
YOUR ADJUSTMENT LOOKS LIKE YOU NAILED IT !!!
NICE GROUP WITH THE STOCK P365 !!!
GOTTA REMEMBER, THE SAS IS INTENDED FOR SELF DEFENSE, NOT COMPETITION !!
If defending your life isn't a competition you'd want to win, I don't know what is.
Justin Opinion
GOOD POINT !!
However, when I took my CCW course, my Instructor had me shoot Center Mass, Alternating Hands WITHOUT SIGHTS From Low Ready !!! Then Double Taps Same Drill !!!
He Said I was a Natural ?? All my Previous pistol shooting Had been Pellet or BB Guns (Living in NYC) !!
I’d Go Upstate, out of the City and take my Crossman’s !! Spent the Majority of my Life in Unfriendly Gun States !!! Always Had a THING for Hand Guns !! Moved to Florida Nine Years ago and Immediately WENT TO SCHOOL FIRST !! I’ve been Carrying Every Day Since !! And Collecting (modestly) !
Best gun I have ever seen on this gun.... Thank you
The compensator is fine for range shooting but a bad idea for EDC. I'd replace the barrel with a regular p365 barrel.
I didn’t like it at first because the sights but I’ve learned to hit my target at 10 yards and manage to hit once on my first shot out of 12 rounds at 25 yards on a steel plate. As someone told me, it’s a “gut gun” but I really like it.
Justin, having watched many dozens of your videos you're one of the most accurate and experienced shooters I've watched and if anyone disagrees I'd like to see if they can do better. If you're struggling with the sas sights I think it's fair to say everyone would struggle. They're just crappy and hard to use man!
Nice of you to say, but I'm not all that...
My question would be, how do the ports affect velocity of defensive ammo?
Interesting system to be sure. We sure appreciate your perspective.
I am curious if you have looked at the New Q4 SF Walther? A head to head with the P229 Legion would be a great comparison. Thanks
I have a CC Sig P365 SAS. No safety at all. If it’s coming out of the holster…it’s ready. Love this gun for CC
Those screws are for assembly aren’t they? Thanks for the video. Love your work. Sub’d
I will say that I love this gun. For me the sights are faster to acquire than a typical sight. I will admit that it's not a gun for shooting groups but let's all be honest its meant to be a comfortable carry self defense pistol. Which it is. It shoots accurate enough to stop a threat and with enough shooting you can become quite proficient with it.
I think this P365 SAS is the best, most concealable, CCW backup 9mm on the planet. Legal authorities should carry a larger more accurate main weapon.
My suggestion for the slide catch would be to make it a half moon. That way you would get smoothness laterally but there would be a ledge for your finger to to use to manipulate it.
or just rack the slide like all instructors teach.
a method that works for all guns.
less variables.
Brilliant analysis. Best so far. If you have the opportunity I really would like to know if the cross bolt safety on the new Mossberg mc1 provides a fluid and intuitive manual of arms when drawing. Not seen such a safety on a pistol before and expected it to be the final solution to put and end to the safety debate but have not seen much noise about it and we can't have them here.
No thanks,had 2 & sold them. Very happy with my Glock 43x!
In both views sas looks like way less recoil not a Big difference but a pretty nice little difference
Yep, it's weird. I could feel the difference, and some angles really show a difference and some don't. The app showed a small difference. But I agree - every little bit helps.
Justin Opinion yeah totally agree best way to describe it looks like a softer recoil, shooters understand and know every bit makes a world difference, with that being said I been on the fence about getting a 9mm comp for my Glock I just don’t know would love to see ya do test on that!
To be completely honest I just love the look of a comp on a Glock I just don’t want to mess up my everyday carry gun
Hmmm... when I was watching you shoot using the Mantis X10 with the grid showing I was watching the top of the slide at the point of the top of the front sight. It appeared to me that the muzzle was moving almost twice as far with the standard P365 as it was with the SAS.
I did my best to find illustrations of both that were impartial and accurate - I even looked for the maximum lift of each gun. The reason I used the bottom of the dust cover as reference is because the reciprocation of the slides makes it difficult to follow the height simultaneous to rearward motion, etc. Because the dust cover does not move, I felt it made a better point of reference. Once again - I don't claim anything I do or show to be a scientific test, but I do try to illustrate reality as best I can.
@@JustinOpinionChannel And you do a great job at it. I was just thinking, because my eyes are on the front sight when shooting (well, I try anyway) that's what I would look for.
Someone I know that has it says you focus on target and just overlay the bullseye on target...and aim at 6 o'clock hold position...and is meant for 5-8yd shots...not meant to be accurate as traditional sights in rapid fire like self defense. Is meant for quick point shooting in low vis from deep concealment. To me is a niche weapon with a specialized purpose. I have the P365 with traditional night sights and controls...better fit for me after owning and carrying P239...P226 and P220 past 20+ years.
I think those two screws are just to hold the sight together, not for adjustments, I’m not impressed, I’d just go with the regular sights.
You could be right, I wasn't able to find any info.
It really makes no sense that they port the SAS but not the other models. They should port all of the P365 models.
I think this might be kind of like smartereveryday's backwards bicycle, takes lots of practice but once you got it, its no problem.
I like the standard p365. This to me is a firearm that didn’t need to happen. XS sites are just as quick to pick up. If you prefer that. P365 is a good firearm. The SAS version is just not needed.
In your opinion...that and 99 cents gets you a cup of coffee in cumberlandfarms.😂I mostly practice no sights on all my EDC as you wont be using sights at 5-10 ft. Shooting self-defense longer distance? Get a good lawyer... Plus i carry on a motorcycle 65% of the time.... ( sights would be worthless) my p365 sas hits center mass all the time.....the regular p365 is a little better at the range...but neither one are range guns....my 1911s are bulleye guns.
Doc Holiday considering others opinions matter weather they are going to purchase the firearm or not. So I disagree with you. Plus the porting is dangerous to the user at close quarter encounters. I will stick with my 3 dot and maybe a red dot in the future. Due to my vision not the best. I do agree with you about the 1911. Very few pistols fit my hand better and point more natural. Then a 1911.
Excellent video of comparisons between the two pistols. Tha k you very much.
Sig just announced a Legion 220 SAO in 10mm. Hope we get to see one of those one the channel one day.
I haven't shot my SAS yet, but I wish I bought a standard p375. I was a revolver guy buying my first auto. I was looking for a concealed piece and the sas was the smallest one. I may go out and get a shield or a standard Sig, maybe a Glock.
Look into hk vp9sk I have the vp9 and its my favorite gun
Looks like about a 30% recoil reduction.
Was thinking the same
Can you take that sight completely off and replace it with a red dot scope?
Yes, but you'll need an adapter which are a little hard to come by. Namelessarms makes some but rarely have any in stock. Another company that makes some is sastactical but their's are a pretty expensive.
Every video I’ve watched shows the same difficulties with the sight. I almost wonder if the sights compactness acts like a shorter sight radius.
There really isn't a traditional 'radius', but yes it certainly does. It's only about 25% as long as the iron sights are apart.
What are you using for hearing protection in this video? I would love to have something in-ear like that.
This is the first time I've seen that "grid view" very nice where is That a app, or something I can buy? Good content too!
Well I guess next time I will watch the COMPLETE VIDEO before I comment... ☺️
Can you see the sights at night?
I’m sure someone is already working on a laser that fits in the bullseye footprint. It’s steadier than a floating bubble.
Laser would have to be elevated - there is no hole through the slide. Given the necessary electronics, it would probably be 1/2" or more in height. By that time, might as well have an optic, or mount the laser underneath where they are more efficient.
How do you do after dark with open sights?
Nice review.. good job!
Is the trigger Single or Double Action Only. Even SIG can't/won't tell me.
A few years ago I predicted the future of pistol sights would be something like this. I think this will beat out red dots someday.
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It seems to me that the SAS version is snag resistant but in exchange the sighting takes more time and effort especially if stress is added to situation. In a self defense or combat situation the delay may cause you to miss your shot or to go slower and lose the fight. In addition the porting In low light conditions may interfere with your sighting and vision because some of the burning gases , and debris is blown up in front of the shooter. The gun is also louder and maybe distracting. I think that for the vast majority of shooters the regular P365. Here’s a question, how do you do one hand slide manipulations without a rear sight and a 90 degree angle ?
I really like my SAS. But then it is the only concealed weapon I have, well except my little 25 Berretta. Anyway I am having the same problem with the sights so I want to ask, were your mounting screws really tight? Sig is telling me they are set to 12 inch pounds but I find that just a little hard to believe, these babies are tight. Also was adjusting your sights worth it? Like I said I love the gun but spending $80.00 more for something that is 6 or more inches off ............ . However these are the only sights that i can aim with both eyes open with very little difficulty. I might not hit the target but I don't get crossed eyed. Oh one more,,,,, what size T are the screws? Hey thank you. Your shows are definitely worth watching.
How the sas doing. I too get crosseyed with both eyes open. And am seriously considering this even with the negative reviews .
@@satur9satur9 My SAS is doing fine. It is my every day carry. Although I thought I knew it all, I took a few lesson from a retired sheriff. He taught me not to take the time to concentrate on the sights but to concentrate on the feel (position) of your wrist and firearm. Try it. At 25 feet or less. You might be as surprised as I am.
I'll just stay w/ my regular P365 w/ manual safety.
Wish they’d make a non-ported version
Add a non ported barrel and you have one. It does stink to add 180 on top of a purchase but I did just that
Chris Martell I know, but they need to make one without ports
I agree but to play devil's advocate they can't make a version to suit everyone and let's be honest the appeal of these sigs not just the sas is where the serial number is and you can add what you like. I just seen one where a guy added the Xl grip module to the sas slide. So really I'm more happy that I can buy a cheaper part instead of having to buy a new gun.
Can I take off metpro and put on remeo zero?
Great honest review. Thanks! 👍👊💪
That was a interesting video and I didn't even know that there was a adjustment for those sites. I think that those sights are ridiculous and in a self-protection situation the last thing anybody needs is to be faced with a learning curve trying to figure out where and how to align your sights. Personally would not buy that gun and I will stick with conventional sites and no porting any day.
The learning curve is just that....learning. I am seeing many comments about how after a box or two of ammo, can get very accurate
In a true self defense situation, most people likely won't even have time to use the sights.
Everytime I see a review for this gun I say it's going to get someone killed losing focus on trying to focus
Are you using the sights with one eye or with both eyes open?
I bet the sights work perfect for people that just learning to shoot they don't see the sights right anyway
Good point!
That sight is absolute nonsense
So how would you manipulate this firearm one handed?
You don't. Not unlike any other semi-auto without a tactical rear sight notch.
Well done
Normal Sig sight are more better and faster for correct aiming.
My 365 with an RMSc milled into it doesn't snag on anything and it's more precise than both of these sighting system haha. I don't feel the sas has any merit. Especially that sight.. All the downsides of a red dot and none of the benefits. A regular 365 won't snag on anything to begin with.
P365SAS ... NO!
Thank you for both quality reviews on this gun. I have a p365 and have been looking for a SAS for about 2 months now. I’m not really happy about it but will be required to carry the gun in a pants pocket for a extended period of time. While I will work to pick up the new site I’m very concerned that it will affect my other shooting techniques.
Throw that thing away and get you a 365XL!
I has one! But you know.... I review guns... so.... ;-)
Do NOT BUY THIS P365 SAS PISTOL!! We need to have firearms that operate with accuracy and Sig Sauer will not stand behind the faulty sights on this firearm!! This is an expensive gun which performs poorly in terms of accuracy. Sig Sauer and others will tell you that this firearm is not designed for accuracy, BUT do you really want to have any doubts in the case of a real defense situation?? At only 12 feet distance, after Sig Sauer adjusted the sights in their factory, the sights still will not allow you to hit any part of a 3" circle (indoor tightly controlled environment, exceptional shooters). Unfortunately, every piece is probably different and not worth the investment. Sig Sauer does not even offer a Users manual for the SAS...they sent a P365 manual with a new SAS. So the manual does not address proper breakdown or the unique and inaccurate sights!! This is not a company who cares about quality experience!
43x with 15 round mags and tlr6 is untouchable. Sry 365
except you can get 15 round mags for the p365
SAS in a nutshell... unnecessary.
Perhaps a good idea,,not worth the time to watch
Later in the video, I tap dance with only a thong. Your loss for not watching....
Sig just announced a Legion 220 SAO in 10mm. Hope we get to see one of those one the channel one day.