5:31 - I'll list down the moves that Leon made that we did not benefit from: 1.) Drafting Rokas Jokubaitis. We only saw him play in summer league, and Kolek even grabbed the spotlight from him. 2.) Cam Reddish trade. We lost a first-round pick and Kevin Kn...nvm lol. But the pick was lost and Cam did not fit in Thibs's plays. 3.) Kemba & Fournier signing. They don't know defense. And as long as they are in the rotation, we would not be able to reach the playoffs. I don't hate Leon. He's done a lot of amazing moves. I'm just being honest with the moves that I think we did not benefit from. If I would rate this KAT/Randle trade, I'd give it a five for now. This is because KAT is just an injury-prone player. In the last 5 seasons, Randle played 330 regular season games, while KAT only had 250.
As a Knicks fan, most Knicks fans are casuals who dont know ball, and just enjoy the fact they are good again. From that standpoint Knicks fans hate letting go player they believe are responsible for the knicks being good again and letting them go triggers a fear of not being good. From a basketball standpoint, that's a great trade! Knicks address their big man concerns, and lack of a second star by bringing in towns. He's also better defensively then Julius. Julius as a mid range ball stopper does not fit this team as well. And with Jalen being deadly with in Pick & roll with Hartenstein how good you think he and the knicks will be with Kat in that role now vs Randle. Dante hurts, but knicks basically traded Donte for Kat because Randle hasnt played since January. Thats a major improvement.
I'm of the unpopular opinion that says that this trade will have no net benefit for this team. That isn't to say we'll get worse, certainly I don't see any reason why the team would be worse. However, there is a third option between "we got better", and "the sky is falling". That option is: "This was basically a wash in the short term and is a trade of salary flexibility for continuity in the long term." Cancelling health as a factor I would say the win total for the Knicks didn't move up, or down, based on this trade. Long term....I think you could argue this was beneficial.
I'm holding my breath. It's a good thing that we won't have too long to find out. With all of these contracts at least they will have a chance to gel. Here we go!
Also Vegas has Knicks as 3rd best odds to win title. Knicks wouldnt have made conference finals if they didnt get decimated by injuries vs pacers. Vets take less to go to contending teams. So even though i think we're okay depth wise, somebody else is coming on mid level expceptions to address that. This is a great move
I have mixed feelings about this trade but the one thing that convinces me that it is for the best is the fact that KAT measures up excellent against the Celtics, a team that we have to go through. Our length is now a factor especially with Mitch being out. That’s the main reason we went for this trade…Mitchell’s lack of availability. We needed to shore up this weakness
Depth is not an issue Payne,McBride,Morris,Precious,and Mitch off the bench is solid. Not to mention Thibs will more likely won’t even go that route. Cam and Deuce are more likely gonna split those minutes with Bridges anchoring that lineup at the 2. We got better
Considering some of the trades ive seen were “julius randle for grant williams and nick richards” i’d say this was a pretty good trade. He just fits the team better. Also, sounds like donte wanted a bigger role so. Cant be too mad we traded him when it sounds like it was inevitably going to become a problem later.
I really appreciated Randall for keeping knick fans, Knicks!! Don'te was so so good for the knicks as well. It definitely is a terrible thing but in other words, we made the decision and size with shooting is in towns
Randle not signing an extension kind of forced this. Donte was collateral damage. KAT playing alongside Brunson will be better for him than Anthony Edwards, who has a BIG mouth and personality. Best wishes to Randle though...despite all the hate he got over the years, SALUATE to him!~
Ritchie I'm Taking Your Advice I'm Upset Just When I Finally Really Liked Julius When OG Hit The Scene And I Loved Donte Would Have Rather Traded Duece With JU Instead of Divo Well Ritchie GO KNICKS
MY questions: Did Thibs and Towns have beef in Minnesota? How does Thibs work well with a guy who's soft on defense? Don't guys who have problems with Thibs wither and disappear from the Knicks? What happened last time the front office recruited guys that Thibs didn't really want? (Kemba) Doesn't Thibs have a bad history adapting to players he does not like? Wasn't Julius one of Thibs and Donte some of Thib's favorite players?
The good thing is this we have a captain and we have a culture kat has no choice but to buy in we didn’t trade for kat to be our savior like melo so I’m not worried about him not buying into the Knicks toughness
Knicks fans tend to get super attached to there players especially the hard working players like Randle and the big Ragu so that’s why Knicks fans are upset
not complaining knicks need center. They got that. i’m OK with trade. only thing disappointed there trade Steven Chenzo deal with player like cat price pay
Once again I need to correct a wrong take. Randle did not come to my NYK’s initially of his own volition. He was not resigned by the Pelicans because they did not value him. The same with the Lakers before that. They just let him bounce without any assets coming in return. He took my NYK’s offer because it was his only good offer. He did not start 💩
What about Evan Fournier and Bogdanovic? You forget about those disaster moves?……. I think I speak for every Knick fan when I say I would feel a hell of a lot better about this trade if it was Miles McBride instead of Donte or even Josh Hart Over Dante. Dante was so important to our success with stretching the court and his on ball defense
The smile gonna turn upside down when you finally realize this was a bad deal for the Knicks and that Randle is a better player than KAT. Only thing KAT does better than Randle is shoot 3’s
I think the next did a good job. You gotta get the front offer credit. You know, I think that was a good move. Time should weigh better than Julius. Randall, we needed a big meal and they made it to go out and get it. And they did I kept saying they knew that around the silver's gonna wasn't coming back. That's what they went on did what they had to do.Good job, New York Mets.Let's go next❤😂😅
This make sense cause randle would step any way 1 year and they get nothing 😅 everybody dont get it divenchenzo aint 7ft who wants to take half start season wit the paint just open guard s in the nba would have field day wit robinson out
Listen!!! Kat is injury prone. He stays out on the perimeter so there is no offensive rebounds which is our bread and butter. No Ragu so no bench.. That adds more pressure to the starters which increase the chance of Thibs running the starters on the ground. No chemistry with three new starters. Leon dropped the ball here. Knicks went from a championship contender to top 6. Towns always get in fowl trouble.
Knicks fans tend to get super attached to there players especially the hard working players like Randle and the big Ragu so that’s why Knicks fans are upset
All of a sudden,getting Cameron Payne,Landry Shamet and Marcus Morris takes on a new light.
Negative bozo. Getting Mikal Bridges and Karl Anthony Towns does!
5:31 - I'll list down the moves that Leon made that we did not benefit from:
1.) Drafting Rokas Jokubaitis. We only saw him play in summer league, and Kolek even grabbed the spotlight from him.
2.) Cam Reddish trade. We lost a first-round pick and Kevin Kn...nvm lol. But the pick was lost and Cam did not fit in Thibs's plays.
3.) Kemba & Fournier signing. They don't know defense. And as long as they are in the rotation, we would not be able to reach the playoffs.
I don't hate Leon. He's done a lot of amazing moves. I'm just being honest with the moves that I think we did not benefit from.
If I would rate this KAT/Randle trade, I'd give it a five for now. This is because KAT is just an injury-prone player. In the last 5 seasons, Randle played 330 regular season games, while KAT only had 250.
You're right about that Mitchell Robinson combo
Yo Richie, you haven't seen the video of Jericho Sims working out🤔 He hitting 3's looking pretty confident
He really needs to add that on his arsenal
Everybody hits 3s in off season
Anyone can make open 3s
Stop 😒✋🏼🛑
Ben Simmons does the same thing lol don’t get fooled
As a Knicks fan, most Knicks fans are casuals who dont know ball, and just enjoy the fact they are good again.
From that standpoint Knicks fans hate letting go player they believe are responsible for the knicks being good again and letting them go triggers a fear of not being good.
From a basketball standpoint, that's a great trade! Knicks address their big man concerns, and lack of a second star by bringing in towns. He's also better defensively then Julius.
Julius as a mid range ball stopper does not fit this team as well. And with Jalen being deadly with in Pick & roll with Hartenstein how good you think he and the knicks will be with Kat in that role now vs Randle.
Dante hurts, but knicks basically traded Donte for Kat because Randle hasnt played since January. Thats a major improvement.
I'm of the unpopular opinion that says that this trade will have no net benefit for this team. That isn't to say we'll get worse, certainly I don't see any reason why the team would be worse. However, there is a third option between "we got better", and "the sky is falling". That option is: "This was basically a wash in the short term and is a trade of salary flexibility for continuity in the long term."
Cancelling health as a factor I would say the win total for the Knicks didn't move up, or down, based on this trade. Long term....I think you could argue this was beneficial.
I'm holding my breath. It's a good thing that we won't have too long to find out. With all of these contracts at least they will have a chance to gel. Here we go!
Also Vegas has Knicks as 3rd best odds to win title. Knicks wouldnt have made conference finals if they didnt get decimated by injuries vs pacers.
Vets take less to go to contending teams. So even though i think we're okay depth wise, somebody else is coming on mid level expceptions to address that. This is a great move
DAMN I didn't think it was true
Dante's gone! Julius gone! 😭
I'm hoping to be eating my words in two months
I have mixed feelings about this trade but the one thing that convinces me that it is for the best is the fact that KAT measures up excellent against the Celtics, a team that we have to go through. Our length is now a factor especially with Mitch being out. That’s the main reason we went for this trade…Mitchell’s lack of availability. We needed to shore up this weakness
Depth is not an issue Payne,McBride,Morris,Precious,and Mitch off the bench is solid. Not to mention Thibs will more likely won’t even go that route. Cam and Deuce are more likely gonna split those minutes with Bridges anchoring that lineup at the 2. We got better
I think it’s a great deal. It gives a space and now we know Brunson is the number one option , Randle clogs the paint
Considering some of the trades ive seen were “julius randle for grant williams and nick richards” i’d say this was a pretty good trade. He just fits the team better. Also, sounds like donte wanted a bigger role so. Cant be too mad we traded him when it sounds like it was inevitably going to become a problem later.
I love it yo!
I really appreciated Randall for keeping knick fans, Knicks!! Don'te was so so good for the knicks as well. It definitely is a terrible thing but in other words, we made the decision and size with shooting is in towns
This was a good trade, I got tired of Randle doing great in the regular season but disappearing in the playoffs. I just didn't like to give up donte.
KAT is a terrible playoff performer as well. If his 3s aren't going in, he gives up. Him and Thibs didn't get along in MN either.
I love randle and d-vo but KAT is a beast and he's the sacrifice we needed!
Randle not signing an extension kind of forced this. Donte was collateral damage. KAT playing alongside Brunson will be better for him than Anthony Edwards, who has a BIG mouth and personality. Best wishes to Randle though...despite all the hate he got over the years, SALUATE to him!~
Ritchie I'm Taking Your Advice I'm Upset Just When I Finally Really Liked Julius When OG Hit The Scene And I Loved Donte Would Have Rather Traded Duece With JU Instead of Divo Well Ritchie GO KNICKS
We will see! My initial reaction is that this is a bad trade!
Love it.
We need hart to come off the bench and we also need a starting pf
We took a hit on our bench what’s up with Jericho Sims?
MY questions: Did Thibs and Towns have beef in Minnesota? How does Thibs work well with a guy who's soft on defense? Don't guys who have problems with Thibs wither and disappear from the Knicks? What happened last time the front office recruited guys that Thibs didn't really want? (Kemba) Doesn't Thibs have a bad history adapting to players he does not like? Wasn't Julius one of Thibs and Donte some of Thib's favorite players?
The good thing is this we have a captain and we have a culture kat has no choice but to buy in we didn’t trade for kat to be our savior like melo so I’m not worried about him not buying into the Knicks toughness
In Leon we trust!
You don’t get a star and ask him to change he is who he is . A 40% shooter from 3 the 2nd best player on a western finals team, and a center
Knicks fans tend to get super attached to there players especially the hard working players like Randle and the big Ragu so that’s why Knicks fans are upset
not complaining knicks need center. They got that. i’m OK with trade. only thing disappointed there trade Steven Chenzo deal with player like cat price pay
The amount emotional damage from the comments goes to show why GMs shouldnt listen to fans.
GMs also let a team be trash for 20+ years.
The Pros…. Mitch can come off the bench and Precious can play the 4 off the bench Cons .. Katt doesn’t have a motor for defense
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Once again I need to correct a wrong take. Randle did not come to my NYK’s initially of his own volition. He was not resigned by the Pelicans because they did not value him. The same with the Lakers before that. They just let him bounce without any assets coming in return. He took my NYK’s offer because it was his only good offer. He did not start 💩
What about Evan Fournier and Bogdanovic? You forget about those disaster moves?……. I think I speak for every Knick fan when I say I would feel a hell of a lot better about this trade if it was Miles McBride instead of Donte or even Josh Hart Over Dante. Dante was so important to our success with stretching the court and his on ball defense
Dante will be back.
The smile gonna turn upside down when you finally realize this was a bad deal for the Knicks and that Randle is a better player than KAT.
Only thing KAT does better than Randle is shoot 3’s
I think the next did a good job. You gotta get the front offer credit. You know, I think that was a good move. Time should weigh better than Julius. Randall, we needed a big meal and they made it to go out and get it. And they did I kept saying they knew that around the silver's gonna wasn't coming back. That's what they went on did what they had to do.Good job, New York Mets.Let's go next❤😂😅
What?
What I’ve heard is that Mitch will have to go as part of this trade. We need to lose 8 mil.
I’m just not happy about losing donte but I’ll take KAT over Julius
This make sense cause randle would step any way 1 year and they get nothing 😅 everybody dont get it divenchenzo aint 7ft who wants to take half start season wit the paint just open guard s in the nba would have field day wit robinson out
Listen!!! Kat is injury prone. He stays out on the perimeter so there is no offensive rebounds which is our bread and butter. No Ragu so no bench.. That adds more pressure to the starters which increase the chance of Thibs running the starters on the ground. No chemistry with three new starters. Leon dropped the ball here. Knicks went from a championship contender to top 6. Towns always get in fowl trouble.
I think it's a good trade we have an all-star legit Center thank you Jesus Christ.
Towns is more of a power forward
You still posting😂
Let's go JETS
Sustained success? f' that. I want one chip. If the team is trash for 30 yrs, fine.
Kat misses just as many games as Mitch does
But he doesn't miss as many games just due to injuries.
@@speedracer175 in the last 5 seasons kat has played 150 games
Mitch played 154
Bad trade. Hope I'm wrong but as of right now I think this is a horrible trade.
Casual…
KAT is perfect for this team. His game compliments Jabs game to the fullest.
that mic is trash
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Huge mistake , Knicks will regret this one
Knicks fans tend to get super attached to there players especially the hard working players like Randle and the big Ragu so that’s why Knicks fans are upset