The TONEX Pedal Changes EVERYTHING! (Review & Amp AB)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
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Thanks for watching my in-depth first look & review of the brand new Tonex pedal by IK Multimedia! I'm really excited about this pedal as I've also been about the plugin and pc app. I've been waiting for a product like this for years so my excitement is 100% genuine here! Let me know your thoughts in the comments down below!
Here's my Orange Jim Root tone model: www.tone.net/tonex/tonemodels...
IK Multimedia Tonex pedal: www.ikmultimedia.com/tonexpedal
My previous videos on Tonex including free Tone Models:
Tonex vs 6505: • Can Tonex Replicate My...
Tonex vs Mini Rectifier: • Mesa Mini Rectifier vs...
Tonex vs MT15: • TONEX! A Superior "Kem...
Gear used in this video:
- ESP LTD Phoenix 1000 Deluxe
- Gibson Les Paul Custom
- IK Multimedia Tonex
- Tonex Pedal
- Tonex Capture Box
- OwnHammer 412 RECT & 412 ORNG Essentials
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Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
01:08 Introduction
01:52 What Is Tonex?
03:36 Introducing The Tonex Pedal
05:11 Important Details / What's Included?
06:05 What Can The Pedal Do?
08:18 Pedal Layout & Controls
10:50 Details About The Sound Comparison
12:42 AB Comparison (Tonex Pedal VS Tube Amp)
14:32 Isolated Comparison & Reveal
16:16 The FREE Tone Model On Tone Net!
16:37 How The Pedal Fits Into My Workflow
19:30 Conclusion
Disclaimer: I'm getting paid for this video by IK Multimedia and I get to keep the pedal but as always with ALL my videos, all thoughts and opinions are 100% my own!k
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Allow me to say that your captures are the best in the entire tonenet site. The fact that you caputre the head with the load box gives us the flexibility to load our IR or try the integrated VIR (those aren't bad at all). I would love to have clean, drive, hi gain for every head. Have you ever thought of selling your captures? I would buy them like instantly. I'm having a lot of fun with the JCM800, Orange Jim Root Terror and the Mesa...they sound so real!
Consider selling your captures because your work on those is golden!
Thank you, Jon.
Thanks for the kind words! Who knows, I might sell some tone models one day...
I just want to say how much I really love your playing it really resonates with me. I come here to hear your great in-depth reviews as much as I do your tight, awesome playing. Thanks for everything you do. Please do us all a favor and keep them coming!
Today I learned what a Kemper was. I then learned what the price was and was completely gutted. I then discovered what the Neural DSP Quad Cortex is and was just as gutted when I saw the price. What great timing that I've now discovered this bad boy. Just about within my means too! What a time to be alive.
The Kempler profiler is good, but the effects totally suck... Not worth the rudiculous price tag... Just a vain muscician's status symbol...
@@ShaighJosephson it's an exclusive and expensive guitarrist's toaster 😂😂
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE, INDEED
@@ShaighJosephsonThey’ve updated the effects quite a bit. They sound great now, especially the verbs and delay.
@@ShaighJosephson My dad has a Kemper, I can't afford it. It sounds beyond any dsp solution I've heard to date. It's fucking ugly looking but best sounding option there is I think.
I finally pulled the trigger and got myself a ToneX pedal. I have to admit, the hype is real. It took me some time to browse the tone net models and learn how to set properly the gain and compressor, but after that, oh boy what an amazing piece of gear. I have found some really killer tones, EVH, Diezel, Bogner and Mark IIC+. I have no words, of course it's still can be developed and improved but honestly for the money, this is gold !!!!
I still have a mint+ Mark IIC Simulclass from 1984
Your enthusiasm and passion is intoxicating! Great video as always Jon!
Thank you! :)
When I think of the questionable quality gear you could buy for that money when I was starting out in the early 90's, its just nuts how far technology has come and how accessible these awesome tools have become. Especially considering the price of the two bundled applications if you bought them separately, thats an incredible price!!
Seriously. I dusted off my old zoom 505 a few weeks back. Got it for Xmas in 1995 ish. It’s so crazy that 1. That thing still works perfectly, and 2 how awful it sounds compared to cheap gear today.
Neural Amp Modeler sounds amazing and its free, open source. Ola released his plugin for the NAM, it's really popular. It doesn't have the native amp controls for each model but it sounds great and it's fun. But for 400 bucks, I might give this a try too
I love the detail and simplicity of your review. Great video and capture. You gained another subscriber.
You have such a talent to write gorgeous riffs and make Mix-friendly sounds
Thank you!
Agreed!
Yea man his riffs are 💥🔥
Most amazing riffs indeed!
As an owner of a latest and greatest UAD rack Apollo, I bought an Axe I/O (as a simple interface for when I’m on my windows PC) and the stuff from IK is seriously impressive.
The hardware is a tank and the software has been rock solid and reliable. Everyone should definitely keep a close eye on their stuff.
Very impressed and ready to buy. Thanks for the comparison and videos. Great channel!
i have watched all your videos and really love them, your amp tone and playing style are to my taste, watching this video again today i am really excited, in the future if you decide capture all amp tones in your collection on Tonex, glad you share and really appreciates
Excellent video and the song you made for the comparison was super awesome.
Sounds great John! You could hear a minute difference when the amps were isolated but I really couldn’t tell you which was the real one… closer to the tiny differences between each amp of the same kind than 2 different tools!
The for the tone model too! By the way, I feel like you would make a killing selling all of your captures as you’ve got soooo many great amps!
BEST demo I’ve seen, stellar job!!!
Thank you!
The ToneX looks and sounds like a fantastic piece of gear. Thanks for specifically mentioning that it can be used to model Pedals as well. No need to take expensive, hard to find/replace boutique Pedals to a gig. 👍
The ToneX sounded a little brighter, clearer, with a little less bottom end than the real Amp. I suspect that any difference could be easily dialed in to match using the handy ToneX knob controls.
The ToneX is a pedal, platform, and solution that I'm definitely considering purchasing. I'd like to see more videos on how it could be used when combined with a Modeler like the HX Stomp. 🤔
Excellent demo as always! Thanks 😎
12:05 LOL! I loved seeing that classic brazilian meme! Great video! The TONEX pedal definitely made my G.A.S. come to life!
Hey man you should include the IRs or Cabs captures with your patches! Also with all those amps you have I want more stuff ahahaha. You have one of the best high gain tones out there ( for me ) and I watch all your videos and love your content and the way you explain everything. Keep up the good work and present us some more stuff for Tonex! Cheers
I was debating buying a helix floor model, but now I think I’m going to buy this. Because I already own a few amps I love and a hx effects. Now I get more access to great amp tones including my own, and keep my helix effects which I love.
was thinking about this or a hx stomp just for versatility and backup if for an amp if running DI - did you wind up doing it?
It sounds awesome! For the price it is really pretty incredible!
For me I wish it came with effects and more switches for storing / changing tones.
If they ever release something closer to a Kemper stage I’ll be interested!
I will say being able to change the eq of bass mid and treble is really nice! Kinda seems like if you knew where the actual amp has these set you could get more of a real change when adjusting these.
Super cool this sounds great! If you're looking for another one to do, please get into that Powerball 25. :) Those tones on the "One song one amp" for your ENGL Powerball 25 are among my favorite on the channel. I love those! Cheers! Looking forward to what you do with this unit. And thanks for sharing the tones!
I still need to watch the rest of the video but that intro tune is absolutely sick!
Solid review man thank you
Sounds absolutely fantastic!! And a very tempting price!!
Hey man. I'm so glad I came across this video, LOVED IT and subscribed to your channel. I'll go watch other videos now. Fantastic review of the TONEX pedal, very helpful and simple to understand! I actually ordered it and can't wait for it to arrive. Hey, one thing was a bit complicated for me to understand is how you use this pedal in your recording tracks? You talked about using Fractal and DIs (both I'm unfamiliar with) and somehow replace the actual amps with this pedal. Can you please make a video showing exactly that, how you use this pedal in conjunction with your other devices and DAW to record tracks while choosing your own captured tones from the TONEX pedal? I'll MUCH appreciate it if you can do that, also didn't find another youtube video showing that. Again, great video. I'll go watch lots of your previous videos now.
Awesome! I almost preferred the ToneX Pedal in this case. It has a little bit more mids and a bit more clarity, but of course this can easily be shaped with the EQ as well. Very close indeed. I'm using the ToneX software all the time these days. Great video as always, Jon!
Cheers Ben!
thanks Jon. I struggled with your comment that you couldn't get the Axe to sound like your amps. Based on most of your comparison videos, you have easily made all modelers sound virtually identical to the amp source. You have an amazing ear.
It's just a general feeling. For some it will be perceived as subtle but I just can't "unhear" those sonic traits. I did however also say that the amp modeling is great :)
@@SonicDriveStudio thanks as always for your input. After owning the QC, FM9 and Helix I now know that even each modeler has its own sonic footprint outside of the amp. For example when I used the QC in the FM9 loop it sounded vastly different than putting the FM9 in the QC loop. Similar to you, I am interested in hearing how the TONEX pedal sounds in the FM9 loop. Thanks as always.
This is such an easy sale. Incredible value for the price. Well done IK, well done.
Awesome review Jon! And looks like a bargain, real bang for your buck!
Killer intro demo 🤘
Very cool! Love to see this in conjunction with a seymour duncan powerstage and cab!
Amazing time to be a guitar player. Fantastic tones, you put that thing to great use! Looking forward to AxeFx vs ToneX vs Quad Cortex fights😎
Really enjoyed the video. I was a bit unsure to choosen between the Tonex One and the Tonex Pedal but after this great review I'll go for the big brother.
MIDI and the full version of the Tonex and Amplitube software can come in handy for my workflow.
I also plan to use it with my HX Stomp to have other effects than reverb in my live rig.
So... Thanks, Jon, for all the effort... I always enjoy your work.
U are the best dude. Great quality playing and excellent reviews...
Thank you!
12:06 😂 Really great review. Killer product 😉 but can we all acknowledge the killer riffs Jon comes up with? We need an album! The sound comparison was scary close. Very impressive.
Cheers! :)
@@SonicDriveStudio and we need Tabs 😛...
I'm not crapping on this. I've been into this stuff since I bought a POD 1.0 back in 1998. This is an amazing device/software. I honestly can't hear the difference on the recordings. As for how it "feels"? Nothing feels like a 100 watt head going into a 4x12 cab. The "feel" affects the way I play. I'm most inspired when the vibration of my speaker cabinet starts to vibrate the body of my guitar and the symbiosis starts kicking in.
I still have a POD XT-Live under my desk. There's also a Fractal Audio X-Load connected to all of my amp heads. And there's an Atomic Ampli-Firebox (for impulse responses) within 12 inches of my keyboard.
But the thing for me is that none of this gear inspires me to play. I need that symbiosis for inspiration. Where I live, that's not an option. Call me old school. I miss the real deal.
An interesting product just the same and hats off to IK. But how many captures would you need to model all of the controls on the ENGL behind your right shoulder? 5 knobs can't replace 20. I'd rather just turn around and twist a knob over cycling through 50 presets of a single amp head.
Sure, but most of us can't play/practice/record at 90dB.
For recording, there is the extra issue of recording the amp to satisfaction.
The ToneX seems to be potentially inspiring to play.
If we can't do symbiotic real amps at a level where they really shine, what other options do we have?
I feel like IK Multimedia have a winner over here. Also at this price it's super nice.
Awesome! You are the first review I've seen of this unit so I'm glad they gave you early access. You are the first channel I thought of when the Tonex software was announced, and even though it took a while for you to review it, I'm very glad you did as I value your opinion. The new hardware unit looks great as well, and you did a good job of demoing it! 👍.. Thanks again for giving out captures of your awesome amp collection, I'll check out the new one soon! 🙏
Cheers!
I`m very impressed by the sound.. WOW 🔥
i wish your tone model came with the cab as well, not just the amp, cause goddamn i love how it sounds here, but the amp is sick
Jon, you should (if you haven't already) think about releasing a premium TONEX amp pack ala The Studio Rats. You know what you are doing (as do they) and I'd love to give you some money for some sweet amp captures. That crazy Red Seven you have would be VERY interesting to hear. I love your captures that are currently available, and especially love that they are captured without a cab so we can choose whatever IR we want. Thanks so much for your wizardry and playing. Always a pleasure!
Looks like it was very well thought out
I love this review.... good job buddy
I pride myself on having great ears but Tonex is spot on with the real amps and even trained ears can’t truly “blindly” pick out which is which. Game changer is right! Plan on incorporating this with my ampero 2 stomp and using it on the fx loop of that that way I have all the fx and pedals etc from the ampero combined with the amazing amps from Tonex. Beyond excited for this!! And thank you for the capture Jon! That orange sounds amazing!!
Mines on the way, it better be good you got me hyped on it, lol.
Man, I was hyped when I heard the quality of the ToneX captures when it realeased, but super bummed you had to run it through a computer. This is exactly the kind of portable device I was hoping they would release! Definitely getting one!
Get yourself a power amp and plug it in a cab. Go for it 🤙 that’s still tons more portable than a full sized amp. Even a 30 or a 15
It runs on iOS, right down to iPhones, too.
@@kahlrhoam6769 Interesting! I have an iPad Pro and an interface that should work with it, so I’ll give that a try. The pedal is on backorder anyway, so I might aswell. I am a bit concerned about power though. The iPad holds charge for a good while, but it will have to power the interface aswell, which might decrease the battery charge significantly. It would be nice to have the iPad connected to power during a live performance, just to be safe, but the interface will take up that slot. Edit: And I would need some way to change presets on the fly. Might be possible through MIDI, the interface does have it, but I’m not sure how that works on iOS.
@@CorpseInTheMakinghey there, I’m curious of this method. Can you please explain to me more in depth about it. Thanks!
Well I am happy with the quad cortex and my freyette powerstation. I can use the powerstation as a preamp and vallhala. Amazing effects, Amp models with the powerstation goosing the front end. So many tonal options and configs at this point. Also Quad Cortex is coming out with a desktop editor soon. So no jumping ships any time soon
Tonex + GT-1000 = Dream setup!
You always use really awesome chords for your progressions, I def suspect a Deftones fan! 👽
Haha yeah love Deftones
Great demo.
Finally a demo of this pedal that actually sounds good! Thank you!
Does the ToneX software allow pedal capture also?
Thanks! Yes you can capture pedals
It's very reasonably priced, has a lot to offer and sounds incredible. I think these are going to be popping up everywhere music is played, practiced and or recorded. Even without a decent amp to tone model I see no reason not to own one. A bit bummed that there's no effects loop but the on board reverb is a great addition.
Man. This thing is pretty rad. If it had an effects loop... Holy moly.
Thank you for your video, always enjoying them. Tonex to be improved : missing an on-board DELAY, and mostly an FX LOOP, and also an integrated EXPRESSION PEDAL. Then, this will become the winner in the game
Love your riffs
Thanks!
Great review
I’m an owner of IK stuff since that 30 pin ipad connector yonks ago.
Bought some other stuff over ther the years and yep they gave me the software version of this. Saweet.
A pedal ?
Wow.
Paused at 1;09, looking fwd to the rest of the vid
I bought it this morning will be using it the same way as you in my Helix rack FX loop
can u show me the setup for helix?
@@andreaskaehny6624 I haven’t received mine yet but it’s pretty simple whatever effects loop you use in the back plug your send into the input and the outPut goes to the return and add that effects loop in your chain
In the context of the mix I could not hear any difference. In isolation the ToneX lacked some mid-low end punch and sounded a bit thinnier but not by much. I would definitely say that they sound the same at 90%.
Just amazing!
Nice video i actually bought the tonex software 3 week ago and capture my omega granophyre. I think it capture the sound quite accurately but the feel when you play trough is really plastic and not that good in my opinion. But i used the normal rendition not the advance one so maybe thats why. Would have been nice to see it beside a 100w amp like the redseven. Keep the good work!
Great video liked. Subscribed to see you demo the deisel
It was clear that this was coming but i was more than happy with my setup… iOS TONEX with the XTONE interface… no pun intended 😂
with MIDI routing via Audiobus very flexible and versatile
Tasty tone. Thank you
Someone with a lot of Amps would know the most about comparisons. Thanks!
Awesome presentation as usual! I agree 100%. This pedal is a game changer! I've enjoyed using it myself and look forward to seeing where this all goes! Great video my friend!
Cheers mate! Will watch yours NOW!
Game changer? 😂😂😂😂😅😅
Sounds Great!
Sounds great. I might have to give the tonex capture a try. I don't really need the pedal but I'd like to play around with the captures. The other capture devices I have tried haven't really impressed me.
As usual, came for the gear, stood for your riffs
that wall of heads is pretty wild, like what $20,000 easily?
Nice sound man wow.
I'm glad I picked 'A' as the amp before I got to the reveal.
at 15:00 is clear that the chords are losing a little bit of 'chime', for lack of a better word. But otherwise is actually quite impressive the sound quality. Also, orange amps are ones of the most difficult to digitally mimic in my opinion.
Amazing pedal
It is very very close and usable!
Awesome vid!
Cheers mate
Great stuff, Jon. Really digging the Tonex stuff are you?
Hell yeah
Love this channel! Thinking about getting this and pair it with my HX Stomp (which I think also is a great pedal) as a small rig. With that combo I get even more amp models 😂
That's a powerful rig!
Just bought Tonex after watching your review
I really appreciate the fact that this unit is affordable. This is definitely a no brainer. I regret however that they didn't include an aux in and a mobile app with Bluetooth or wifi. This would have been the absolute best, but well it's still something amazing.
It's a small pedal and in that case compromises always have to be made. Also to keep the price down!
You do great videos. My only complaint is that in reality the biggest differences between these devices are found in the low to mid gain world. The higher the gain, the more the compression and they all start sounding pretty much the same. So, would be great if your videos could include more edge of breakup to moderate gain riffs.
This channel is mostly (although not completely) about high gain tones but for my amp demos and reviews I also always add clean and crunch clips. There are various channels out there that focus more on low gain tones though
IK Amplitube has always been good.
i would not hesitate to blend it in with original tracks,
with tweeking, of course.
but now - it sounds like your amps are now a second back-up,
behind Hardware & Software
I got the blind test right. The real amp seemed to have a natural compression that the capture lacked, but it was still amazing sounding. Much better than trying to buy all these different amps unless you are wealthy
Sounds cool 😎✌
Epic riffs man. I actually preferred B (tonex) to the real amp haha.
In case you're living under a rock ..... 😂 so good! You made my day, Jon.
So I’m guessing B is the pedal and I definitely preferred that in the blind test! Thought it was the tube amp. Is there really a point in getting this pedal if you already have the software on my PC and only play at home?
Thanks! Any idea of the Quality of this pedal ? Where it’s built and is it with quality components?
That sounds super close! Can still hear the differences in both examples. But like at this point its close enough where its not worth worrying about it! I'd be interested to hear how it compares to the other capture solutions on the market.
As always sick riffs and tones!
Finally someone admits the fractal is missing something. Shame to spend 2000 on axe fx and end up using a 400 device.
This was a truly excellent demo/review. I did a bourbon-induced order of one last night after watching this video.
Thanks! Enjoy the pedal :)
...expensive bourbon
@@jrockofages5413 Agreed but at least I didn't pee out the pedal.
@Sonic Drive Studio lol
I will be buying this next week. Need a great sounding and versatile amp for recording. Bouncing between an H&K Grandmeister Deluxe 40, a Kemper Studio, a Laney, and think I've decided on the Tonex/Amplitude. Gonna study a bit more so I don't misstep...again
I’ve been considering purchasing the Ik multi I/o which includes amplitude 5 max and tone x max software for about 400. Am I better off just buying this pedal instead? I won’t be gigging just mainly recording through computer (Logic Pro) I was sold on the Axe but now I don’t know, this pedal does look cool
Excellent vids on the Tonex. And giving tone models away that sound this good? Class act mr. Symons!
Thanks!
I have a handful of vintage and boutique amps I don't want to take out live. I pulled the trigger on this and the capture box. Did I make the right move? I have some UA pedals and love those. Is the tonex as good?
it looks great and the price is also amazing! Honestly a little bit disappointed about no delay/modulation effects or fx loop.. unfortunately in this way, it is not a all-in-one solution for a live situation, a delay is quite mandatory for a solo for example... anyway great product and it sounds really good! Good job IK!
I feel the same way, if it was an all in obe solution i would buy it right away! Build in power amp, preamp and effects and ir loader. That would be great! But the good thing is that the other companies have to keep up now and make the better product. Great times we live in 😁
Would an hx stomp after toneX w midi loop switcher work like having an fx loop, in mono of course.
@@che2335 there's no fx loop so it is not ideal to put an effect after the IR.
@@che2335 I'm thinking the same. Put Tonex in the effects loop of the HX Stomp. Turn off IR in Tonex and use the IR loader in HX Stomp. That way you can move the Tonex anywhere in the signal chain. Of course, that means now spending over twice as much.
Great Video!! My concern is the latency with modelers. Is there anything noticeable with Tonex? 192 khz should be doing the trick
Hello John, thx for this review. Your orange tone is huge what ir did you use?
For me there is a big thing missing in your vid and in all the review out there exept the Kyle one, and thats make me worry about this product.
As we already own tonex software the tonex stomp wont give us anything more than we already have,exept the more portable thing. The real deal is the live situation. Some ppl maybe like to play direct trought the PA. But man, we need to hear this thing trought an affordable power amp and a 4x12. That will be the game changer, tonex app already did the rest. Hope more review will come in a live situation and not trought a 2000 buck power amp section.
Great introduction to the device. I was about buying axe i/o with the bundled software amplitude 5 and tonex. Then this device from the same company ik multimedia popped out. I got confused should i got axe i/o or tonex pedal or even both. As an audio interface should one of these have benefit over the other? How are the latencies for example? I know that tonex pedal can be used in the gigs or plug in into amp and cabinet without a computer. Does axe i/o have anything relevant over tonex pedal as an audio interface?
Is It possible to capture amps with the axe fx 3 as interface and IR loader AND a torpedo captor? I want to load an ir once the torpedo captor sends the amp di signal. Or I need an extra ir loader betwen the captor AND the axe return?
I haven't been able to figure out how to make captures using the Axe fx III as interface
@@SonicDriveStudio I have done tons of captures, my user is Ivansandoval777, the thing is that I cant put a cab on my captures, thats why I just ordered the torpedo captor x, sold the regular two notes captor.
@@ivansandoval777 I see. I just use the IRs in my Axe Fx and only use direct tone models
The ToneX model sounded slightly more compressed, with less bottom end and a bit more upper mids. But yeah, they were damn close.
I also notice the lack of bottom end especially in palm mutes
As much as I want to love the digital stuff for convenience, this is the reason tube amps and real guitar speakers in real cabs are never beaten. Digital sounds smaller and flatter, also because of IR-stuff. Its never as inspiring to play through as a real rig. Really impressive tech though!
@@ludvanlazarz please stop being this pretentious. Thanks.
@@JustinLesamiz ah well count me in. i totally second his take on the current stage of digital amp modeling and IRs. they keep getting better and better and never cease to impress but not quite there yet. a piping hot tube stacked with a cab is a whole experience.
@@JustinLesamiz have you compared the difference? I compared using the Suhr Reactive Load IR with real heads, playing through a bunch of professional IRs (ownhammer included) in FRFR and monitors, and then plugged in the real cab in the same head. Try this and tell me how much better the real cab sounds. There is no contest what so ever
Couple questions on this!
Does it feel like a real amp?
How is the headphone amp? (Most headphone solutions I've tried sound pretty bad),
And correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't capture with this pedal due to the complete lack of xlr input, correct?
Thanks!
I did select the right amp in the listening sample. I heard some complexities in the overtones/harmonics that gave it away BUT it was very close.
I would've liked to see the comparison to a mic'd ENGL PB2 and the modeler. I think that orange is easier to model..but it sounded SUPER close.
Great review, thanks! How is the behavior of the Gain knob of the pedal? Is it useful or its just usable at the default snapshot/capture setting? And how does it clean up with the guitar volume pot?
Very useful imho