Good stuff Ron, as usual. Took my first whitetail with a bow along side Fred Bear in Rose City, Michigan in 1987. Turned 70 recently and started carrying a crossbow. It's a bow that shoots like a gun. Amazingly accurate, even at distance, and lethal. Thanks again. Take care my friend.
I have an Excalibur Assassin Crossbow with the two front limbs and love it. In Manitoba, Canada they allow hunters to use rifles during the rut in order to give them an advantage to take a deer. Great videos Ron.
Thank you, Ron! You have convinced me to keep using my 52" recurve. Thats a long double tap😅. Truly, it has its place. Id probably prefer the non crank version.😊
I've had a crossbow for a while. Here's what I learned. They are called bolts. Wax the rail every few shots. They make de-cocking bolts/tips, which you can shoot into the ground. Never dry fire. They have the same maintenance as a bow. The quiver gets in the way, so remove it in your stand/blind. And remember, it's a crossbow, not a rifle.
I've had my Tenpoint Viper S400 for 2 yrs now and here's what I know. While they were originally call bolts, the manufacturers have been calling them arrows for a few years (check their websites). I've been told the reason is that the term "arrow" is more generally associated with archery and by using that word they are hoping to increase adoption by states to approve crossbows for hunting. They are extremely accurate (at least mine is) and in 3 shots taken while hunting, it's resulted in 3 bagged deer. You should NEVER wax the rail, instead lube is made for that purpose. Wax is what you apply to the strings. I've never found the need to lube the rail more than about every 10-15 shots.
@mblakey4736 Yes, you are right. You do use lube. There is a difference between wax and lube. I should have said you lube the rail. With lubing the rail, I am following the instructions supplied by the manufacturer, which is every 3-5 shots. As for calling them arrows, that might be true; however, I've only seen them called bolts.
In Texas we can use crossbow for bow and rifle seasons now. Bought a Barnett personally and love it. It's more accurate than I am. The part that sucks is the year I got my crossbow I lost my hunting spot fer deer and turkey. For last few years been on welfare, yea I bum my venison from other hunters.😂
One of the fails of thinking a crossbow is a bow-gun is effective range. Crossbows may be accurate to 70+ yards, but enter all the factors of a real-world hunting scenario, including animal reaction and bolt kinetic energy. IMO, shots are best limited to customary archery distances. Another issue is that, in my experience, non archers who begin hunting with a crossbow generally think the bow is so powerful that anything goes pertaining to shot angles. Again, IMO, ethics dictate broadside or very slightly quartering access to vitals. Lastly, no matter how an arrow/bolt is delivered, the tracking skill required to recover an animal is identical; recurve, compound, or crossbow.
@adamballinger1358 MINE SAID THAT TOO HAHA. First time I went hunting I used one and he asked if I was going real hunting or Chicago drive by hunting lol
Im old enough to remember when the compounds hit the market and were "cheating". Then regulation changes were needed for releases because they are "triggers". Now Xbows are the bad guy. Are xbows easier than a vert bow - of course. But they are also a superior performing tool and are here to stay and are increasingly replacing vert bows. Evolution isnt always comfortable I guess.
Add on; I don't use a Xbow. Point I qas trying to make is xbows are here to stay and will eventually be the number one archery tool no matter what any of us think.
Might have to look into one. I had a surgery last year and I am pretty sure while I was out the medical personnel ripped my rotator cup on my left shoulder and just didn't mention it to me as I was coming to. Because now if I lift anything to heavy or sleep on it I can feel it ripping on the front by the collar bone so I opted out of hunting this year but I think that might be worth a try. I will check and hope my state allows it.
Interesting how people will argue that a crossbow isn’t real archery, but everyone thinks they know the story of William Tell(hint, he used a crossbow). Also, if it’s the history you’re worried about, the crossbow predates the compound by many centuries, although modern crossbows benefit from compound technology. Also, it’s funny how the argument seems to go that a crossbow is unsporting, but a rifle is not. A compound bow is sporting, but a recurve bow isn’t appropriate for hunting. Huh. Personally, I prefer a single recurve bow and I’m looking into buying a long bow. I’ve shot compounds, but I find them heavy and uncomfortable and the sighting systems kind of ruin the fun for me while not adding any practical amount of accuracy (for me, anyway).
Intrigued, but in New York State the crossbow season is shorter than the bow season and also intrudes on the late muzzleloader season. I bow hunt with recurves from the 1960's and for muzzleloading I now use the either my flintlocks or the percussion .50 cal T/C New Englander (cost: $179.99) that I used to use during regular deer season hereabouts because it was more accurate than a slug shotgun before this area opened up to centerfire rifle. I don't see where a crossbow is an advantage unless due to physical limitations. Takling with a local butcher the broadheads that only open on impact are so frequently found in gun shot deer who survived that he now runs a metal detector over them before butchering. For God's sake please use a fixed blade, cut on contact broadhead. And, how do you "unload" a crossbow? Some can be let down but others need you to sacrifice a bolt.
Sure. Do it all the time. Either with a ball puller screw for rifle or wad puller for smooth bore. Didn’t argue against them. Just someone who wants one might want that ability to decock one.
Well Sir Get Ready to Stir The Big Ol Stink Pot.. Ya thinks Win vs Rem , 6.5 Vs all others is bad... Go For It n Good For You. I need a better optic for my late Uncles ..
it's weird that Oregon is the only state where crossbows are illegal for literally everything including home defense but our precharged pneumatic regs are literally zilch; this coming from a bow and rifle hunter...I bought crossbows before I realized I couldn't do anything with them, but the ones I have are lever action with 15 bolt magazines. Zero drop especially when using the 190lb limbs now available for the model I have. I love it but I've only fired it twice because it's rather terrifying, honestly. These things are death machines and I love them.
I have no issue with crossbows but it's important to tell the truth. In any of the long bow variants....longbow, recurve, compound....the energy that drives the projectile is stored in you through your draw and hold. In guns and crossbows, the energy that drives the projectile is stored in the propellant or limbs and held by a mechanical trigger. Like it or not, the fact of the matter is that a crossbow is a kind of gun. How convenient it is to use bows, compared to crossbows, or other guns is not relevant to whether a crossbow is a gun.
Fair point, Scott. One can also note that crossbows fire arrows (bolts) steered by vanes and not short bullets spun down a tightly rifled barrel, which further muddies the waters. Bottomline: call it what you will, the fact is that crossbows are an effective, short-range tool that delivers projectiles capable of killing game animals. Where "legal," each hunter can choose for him or herself whether to hire one. So long as the resource is properly managed and utilized, crossbows are no better nor worse than flintlock muzzleloaders, caplocks, in-lines, single-shot rimfires, centerfire lever-action repeaters, scoped bolt-action 30-06s, or a long-range AR-platform rifle with 10-shot magazine and computerized range finding 4-25x56mm illuminated reticle scope that whistles Dixie each time you score a hit. The high-tech hunter might have an advantage over the longbow hunter, but each got to decide what to use. I hope your choices give you satisfaction and joy in your time afield! Cheers.
Hi@@RonSpomerOutdoors, Agreed. I live in Illinois and not too long ago the debate raged about classifying crossbows as guns or archery equipment with respect to what season they were going to be allowed by fully able hunters. The "archery" people won out via means that I thought were dishonest. As I understand it, crossbows are allowed in archery season here now. My low-level discontent about the decision is two-fold. One, I don't think it's fair to the vertical bow hunters who must work harder at their craft to be successful, and two, more deer would likely be harvested by "archery" hunters which takes a bigger bite out of the deer harvest apple. Increasing the archery harvest makes it unlikely that the meager gun seasons could get a day or two added. However, like I wrote, I have nothing against using crossbows so long as they are recognized for what they truly are. Thanks
@@scottgarbs7761 Yes, difficult to please everyone. The ultimate solution might be one season for all regardless of tools used. Argument can be made that primitive tools (I don't like to call them weapons, which implies battle, assault and battery, murder) users try to cheat the system by wanting special seasons for them alone. Pretty soon you have the bow season, compound bow season, crossbow, flintlock, matchlock, caplock, buckshot, 410-slug, single-shot rifle, straightwall-only break-action single shot walnut stocked under 35-caliber season... Sheesh.
I never liked the idea of a crossbow. I was an archery hunter for a long time and successfully taken 14 moose. I just never liked the idea of packing so so cumbersome as a rifle with a bow taped on the end.
i think you have no proper respect for triangle of death no concept of how dangerous cocked crossbow is, even without an arrow you want to keep your hands way away from the triangle
Compound bows are cheating. Recurve bows are cheating. Longbows are cheating. Get out there and use a stone knife, you loser. lololololololol nobody cares where you draw your line.
Did you say the same about compound bows when they first came out? They have cams, you don't have to hold at full draw with full weight. That's cheating too. You're arbitrarily drawing a line, and thankfully, you're not in charge. :)
@Hendoneesia reality is if they only allowed traditional bow then the sport would be dead because maybe 3% of all archers use traditional bow. Sow the now opened bow season was practically for compound bows. I also don't agree with hunting bear or deer with hounds. I love dogs but the way they go crazy barking I'd probably shoot 2 or 3 dogs long before I found my trophy. I've hunted with crossbow and killed animals. I know how easy it is and your affective range is 80 yards maybe more with one. Hardly challenging considering it shoots similar distance to any modern rifled shotgun. I live in a area that has urban hunting and being so close to houses close distance is nessassary for a safe shot. But most say they are injured not because they actually are but simply because they'll be able to use a crossbow apossed to buying a lower draw weight bow.
@woodslife lol I do azzhole. Just like I don't agree with trapping animals because even though people are supposed to check traps daily sometimes life gets in the way and prevents people from checking them. But in the same aspect I wouldn't vote to change them from being allowed to because and loss in hunting rights aff3cts us all if we lose hunters because of it. So numb nuts I do cope even if I don't agree. I us3 a crossbow and it's as easy as using a gun. Hunting is not hard with a crossbow, there is no challenge to the sport. I do feel there's a place for crossbow hunting I just don't agree it's during the archery season. I guess neither does the state of Maine where i live because they consider it a rifle. Only to be used during the rifle season
I just think that crossbows need a special season. Seperate from traditional archery equipment like a compound bow, recurve or longbow. And before you comment... You still have to draw the bow back without being seen and hold that shot form throughout the shot. Regardless of speed... Most modern bows are pushing 300 fps with hunting equipment... Even with modern equipment, crossbows and compounds are totally seperate games and should be held in seperate seasons. Some crossbows are pushing 400fps easily and there is no discipline in it. You can pick a crossbow up off the shelf and shoot it with no prior knowledge for the most part. Do that with a compound and youll be tracking more than you have on the ground! Of course this is all my opinion...
Yes, and a popular opinion shared by many. But if you extend that reasoning to firearms, for instance, it would suggest separate seasons for, say, those with MV of 1,000 fps vs. those with MV of 3,000 fps. Or those with scopes vs. open sights. Separate seasons for each and every type of tool gets a bit ridiculous after awhile when the whole idea is to provide hunting opportunity within reasonably accepted ethical behavior while sustaining the wildlife resource. One could argue that F&G should sell X number of tags and let tag holders decide how they want to shoot their deer. Just my observations. I doubt this debate will ever end.
@RonSpomerOutdoors no doubt. However, in comparison to seasons. Firearms season in PA is two weeks in most of the state. Which is 3 weekends (It goes out on a Saturday). However, archery season is almost 1.5 months. With the introduction of crossbows into the market. It has brought a lot of archery hunters into the sport, but I believe for the wrong reasons. I would be okay if they made the special season after Christmas. Which is flintlock and archery. And just make that a season specifically for crossbows. I'm gonna be honest, it's probably easier to kill a deer with a crossbow than a flintlock even to 60-70 yards! Lol
Good stuff Ron, as usual. Took my first whitetail with a bow along side Fred Bear in Rose City, Michigan in 1987. Turned 70 recently and started carrying a crossbow. It's a bow that shoots like a gun. Amazingly accurate, even at distance, and lethal. Thanks again. Take care my friend.
I knew it when threw the crank on the ground that you would forget it lol
I have an Excalibur Assassin Crossbow with the two front limbs and love it. In Manitoba, Canada they allow hunters to use rifles during the rut in order to give them an advantage to take a deer. Great videos Ron.
Here in Saskatchewan, september is pure archery. October is Crossbow and Muzzleloader, November is Rifle and whatever you want.
I just got one this year, and I love it.
This video was made for me. I can't wait. T-27 hours
thank you for another great video hope you have a good one till we meet again
Excellent! I have a lethal 405. It's nice. But I love yours!
Thank you, Ron! You have convinced me to keep using my 52" recurve. Thats a long double tap😅.
Truly, it has its place. Id probably prefer the non crank version.😊
Enjoyed watching Ron, good information and demonstration! My Gundie vote for Outdoorsman of the year is in.
Great video Ron found this interesting and informative 👍
I prefer the simpler conventional recombination crossbow with a rope cocker, it’s much faster. However this one looks super cool
I've had a crossbow for a while. Here's what I learned. They are called bolts. Wax the rail every few shots. They make de-cocking bolts/tips, which you can shoot into the ground. Never dry fire. They have the same maintenance as a bow. The quiver gets in the way, so remove it in your stand/blind. And remember, it's a crossbow, not a rifle.
I've had my Tenpoint Viper S400 for 2 yrs now and here's what I know. While they were originally call bolts, the manufacturers have been calling them arrows for a few years (check their websites). I've been told the reason is that the term "arrow" is more generally associated with archery and by using that word they are hoping to increase adoption by states to approve crossbows for hunting. They are extremely accurate (at least mine is) and in 3 shots taken while hunting, it's resulted in 3 bagged deer. You should NEVER wax the rail, instead lube is made for that purpose. Wax is what you apply to the strings. I've never found the need to lube the rail more than about every 10-15 shots.
@mblakey4736 Yes, you are right. You do use lube. There is a difference between wax and lube. I should have said you lube the rail. With lubing the rail, I am following the instructions supplied by the manufacturer, which is every 3-5 shots. As for calling them arrows, that might be true; however, I've only seen them called bolts.
In Texas we can use crossbow for bow and rifle seasons now. Bought a Barnett personally and love it. It's more accurate than I am. The part that sucks is the year I got my crossbow I lost my hunting spot fer deer and turkey. For last few years been on welfare, yea I bum my venison from other hunters.😂
I live in Alabama and the rut doesn't start til the 2nd week of January. Feels like it will never get here
When the crossbow is caulked, they called the area inside the string in the limbs, the triangle of death. And yes, it will remove a finger.
Awesome. I am typically a rifle guy but I got a crossbow and absolutely love it! Excalibur assassin 400TD.
Cross bow is way older then any of the equipment called a bow today
Dang good video, thanks for sharing the information with us ✅💥
Put a tether on the handle. I have lost one traveling through the deerwoods
I sure love mine
At one time they had a barrel for Ruger 10 22 that fired bolts using blank from power hammers. Would not need to crank it lol
One of the fails of thinking a crossbow is a bow-gun is effective range. Crossbows may be accurate to 70+ yards, but enter all the factors of a real-world hunting scenario, including animal reaction and bolt kinetic energy. IMO, shots are best limited to customary archery distances.
Another issue is that, in my experience, non archers who begin hunting with a crossbow generally think the bow is so powerful that anything goes pertaining to shot angles. Again, IMO, ethics dictate broadside or very slightly quartering access to vitals.
Lastly, no matter how an arrow/bolt is delivered, the tracking skill required to recover an animal is identical; recurve, compound, or crossbow.
you can use a crossbow in idaho in pretty much any hunt except muzzle loader with a disability note from a doctor and a letter from fish and game.
That is the cross bow I need except there price.
Most important to keep your leveling/ holding hand under the string/ forearm . Severe injury can occur😮
Ron don’t look 👀 now but I think someone is camping at your rifle range. Lol
I've often thought my collection isn't complete because I have no crossbow.
You forgot to mention how blazing fast they shoot!!
My grand dad used to say the only folks he knew to use a crossbow to hunt were felons😂
Mine used to say the only guys using crossbows shot them out of the truck window at midnight
@adamballinger1358 MINE SAID THAT TOO HAHA. First time I went hunting I used one and he asked if I was going real hunting or Chicago drive by hunting lol
Cause felons can’t own a gun
And it's no wonder hunting is on the decline, gate keeping like that is for people who aren't very nice.
@Hendoneesia it's a jokes mate
Im old enough to remember when the compounds hit the market and were "cheating". Then regulation changes were needed for releases because they are "triggers". Now Xbows are the bad guy. Are xbows easier than a vert bow - of course. But they are also a superior performing tool and are here to stay and are increasingly replacing vert bows. Evolution isnt always comfortable I guess.
I hunt with my 30-06 limbless bow, evolution is crazy.
You shouldn’t have the privilege of hunting during archery season with a crossbow.
@@johnjay1147 nobody cares where you've drawn your line.
Add on; I don't use a Xbow. Point I qas trying to make is xbows are here to stay and will eventually be the number one archery tool no matter what any of us think.
Oh calm down, it’s a conversation.
Ron, you're great. Wish you were my dad. :D
Don’t let your dad catch your comment, lol 😝
But it's fun
Might have to look into one. I had a surgery last year and I am pretty sure while I was out the medical personnel ripped my rotator cup on my left shoulder and just didn't mention it to me as I was coming to. Because now if I lift anything to heavy or sleep on it I can feel it ripping on the front by the collar bone so I opted out of hunting this year but I think that might be worth a try. I will check and hope my state allows it.
Interesting how people will argue that a crossbow isn’t real archery, but everyone thinks they know the story of William Tell(hint, he used a crossbow). Also, if it’s the history you’re worried about, the crossbow predates the compound by many centuries, although modern crossbows benefit from compound technology. Also, it’s funny how the argument seems to go that a crossbow is unsporting, but a rifle is not. A compound bow is sporting, but a recurve bow isn’t appropriate for hunting. Huh.
Personally, I prefer a single recurve bow and I’m looking into buying a long bow. I’ve shot compounds, but I find them heavy and uncomfortable and the sighting systems kind of ruin the fun for me while not adding any practical amount of accuracy (for me, anyway).
Intrigued, but in New York State the crossbow season is shorter than the bow season and also intrudes on the late muzzleloader season. I bow hunt with recurves from the 1960's and for muzzleloading I now use the either my flintlocks or the percussion .50 cal T/C New Englander (cost: $179.99) that I used to use during regular deer season hereabouts because it was more accurate than a slug shotgun before this area opened up to centerfire rifle. I don't see where a crossbow is an advantage unless due to physical limitations. Takling with a local butcher the broadheads that only open on impact are so frequently found in gun shot deer who survived that he now runs a metal detector over them before butchering. For God's sake please use a fixed blade, cut on contact broadhead. And, how do you "unload" a crossbow? Some can be let down but others need you to sacrifice a bolt.
Have you looked into "unloading" a muzzle gun? What a silly argument "against" crossbows lol
Sure. Do it all the time. Either with a ball puller screw for rifle or wad puller for smooth bore. Didn’t argue against them. Just someone who wants one might want that ability to decock one.
Well Sir Get Ready to Stir The Big Ol Stink Pot.. Ya thinks Win vs Rem , 6.5 Vs all others is bad...
Go For It n Good For You.
I need a better optic for my late Uncles ..
BTW most of them lop is too short for me ..
Must be a tenpoint
it's weird that Oregon is the only state where crossbows are illegal for literally everything including home defense but our precharged pneumatic regs are literally zilch; this coming from a bow and rifle hunter...I bought crossbows before I realized I couldn't do anything with them, but the ones I have are lever action with 15 bolt magazines. Zero drop especially when using the 190lb limbs now available for the model I have. I love it but I've only fired it twice because it's rather terrifying, honestly. These things are death machines and I love them.
And yet in Oregon you can hunt big game with any center fire cartridge. You can hunt elk with a 25 ACP. Go figure.
It looks very awkward .
He really needed to take the quiver off of it. Nobody hunts with that thing mounted.
I have no issue with crossbows but it's important to tell the truth. In any of the long bow variants....longbow, recurve, compound....the energy that drives the projectile is stored in you through your draw and hold. In guns and crossbows, the energy that drives the projectile is stored in the propellant or limbs and held by a mechanical trigger. Like it or not, the fact of the matter is that a crossbow is a kind of gun. How convenient it is to use bows, compared to crossbows, or other guns is not relevant to whether a crossbow is a gun.
Fair point, Scott. One can also note that crossbows fire arrows (bolts) steered by vanes and not short bullets spun down a tightly rifled barrel, which further muddies the waters. Bottomline: call it what you will, the fact is that crossbows are an effective, short-range tool that delivers projectiles capable of killing game animals. Where "legal," each hunter can choose for him or herself whether to hire one. So long as the resource is properly managed and utilized, crossbows are no better nor worse than flintlock muzzleloaders, caplocks, in-lines, single-shot rimfires, centerfire lever-action repeaters, scoped bolt-action 30-06s, or a long-range AR-platform rifle with 10-shot magazine and computerized range finding 4-25x56mm illuminated reticle scope that whistles Dixie each time you score a hit. The high-tech hunter might have an advantage over the longbow hunter, but each got to decide what to use. I hope your choices give you satisfaction and joy in your time afield! Cheers.
Hi@@RonSpomerOutdoors, Agreed. I live in Illinois and not too long ago the debate raged about classifying crossbows as guns or archery equipment with respect to what season they were going to be allowed by fully able hunters. The "archery" people won out via means that I thought were dishonest. As I understand it, crossbows are allowed in archery season here now. My low-level discontent about the decision is two-fold. One, I don't think it's fair to the vertical bow hunters who must work harder at their craft to be successful, and two, more deer would likely be harvested by "archery" hunters which takes a bigger bite out of the deer harvest apple. Increasing the archery harvest makes it unlikely that the meager gun seasons could get a day or two added. However, like I wrote, I have nothing against using crossbows so long as they are recognized for what they truly are. Thanks
@@scottgarbs7761 Yes, difficult to please everyone. The ultimate solution might be one season for all regardless of tools used. Argument can be made that primitive tools (I don't like to call them weapons, which implies battle, assault and battery, murder) users try to cheat the system by wanting special seasons for them alone. Pretty soon you have the bow season, compound bow season, crossbow, flintlock, matchlock, caplock, buckshot, 410-slug, single-shot rifle, straightwall-only break-action single shot walnut stocked under 35-caliber season... Sheesh.
A crossbow shoots a projectile with a broadhead. That's archery, whether or not you "like" it.
Forst
I never liked the idea of a crossbow. I was an archery hunter for a long time and successfully taken 14 moose. I just never liked the idea of packing so so cumbersome as a rifle with a bow taped on the end.
i think you have no proper respect for triangle of death
no concept of how dangerous cocked crossbow is, even without an arrow
you want to keep your hands way away from the triangle
Xbows are cheating... but i don't mind. Pick your weapon, cannon to pointy stick, meat on the table is the only thing that matters.
Compound bows are cheating. Recurve bows are cheating. Longbows are cheating. Get out there and use a stone knife, you loser. lololololololol
nobody cares where you draw your line.
Cope
I dont agree with using a crossbow during the archery season. They should use have a special season for them but not during archery season
Did you say the same about compound bows when they first came out? They have cams, you don't have to hold at full draw with full weight. That's cheating too. You're arbitrarily drawing a line, and thankfully, you're not in charge. :)
@Hendoneesia reality is if they only allowed traditional bow then the sport would be dead because maybe 3% of all archers use traditional bow. Sow the now opened bow season was practically for compound bows. I also don't agree with hunting bear or deer with hounds. I love dogs but the way they go crazy barking I'd probably shoot 2 or 3 dogs long before I found my trophy. I've hunted with crossbow and killed animals. I know how easy it is and your affective range is 80 yards maybe more with one. Hardly challenging considering it shoots similar distance to any modern rifled shotgun. I live in a area that has urban hunting and being so close to houses close distance is nessassary for a safe shot. But most say they are injured not because they actually are but simply because they'll be able to use a crossbow apossed to buying a lower draw weight bow.
Cope
@woodslife lol I do azzhole. Just like I don't agree with trapping animals because even though people are supposed to check traps daily sometimes life gets in the way and prevents people from checking them. But in the same aspect I wouldn't vote to change them from being allowed to because and loss in hunting rights aff3cts us all if we lose hunters because of it. So numb nuts I do cope even if I don't agree. I us3 a crossbow and it's as easy as using a gun. Hunting is not hard with a crossbow, there is no challenge to the sport. I do feel there's a place for crossbow hunting I just don't agree it's during the archery season. I guess neither does the state of Maine where i live because they consider it a rifle. Only to be used during the rifle season
I just think that crossbows need a special season. Seperate from traditional archery equipment like a compound bow, recurve or longbow. And before you comment... You still have to draw the bow back without being seen and hold that shot form throughout the shot. Regardless of speed... Most modern bows are pushing 300 fps with hunting equipment... Even with modern equipment, crossbows and compounds are totally seperate games and should be held in seperate seasons. Some crossbows are pushing 400fps easily and there is no discipline in it. You can pick a crossbow up off the shelf and shoot it with no prior knowledge for the most part. Do that with a compound and youll be tracking more than you have on the ground! Of course this is all my opinion...
Yes, and a popular opinion shared by many. But if you extend that reasoning to firearms, for instance, it would suggest separate seasons for, say, those with MV of 1,000 fps vs. those with MV of 3,000 fps. Or those with scopes vs. open sights. Separate seasons for each and every type of tool gets a bit ridiculous after awhile when the whole idea is to provide hunting opportunity within reasonably accepted ethical behavior while sustaining the wildlife resource. One could argue that F&G should sell X number of tags and let tag holders decide how they want to shoot their deer. Just my observations. I doubt this debate will ever end.
@RonSpomerOutdoors no doubt. However, in comparison to seasons. Firearms season in PA is two weeks in most of the state. Which is 3 weekends (It goes out on a Saturday). However, archery season is almost 1.5 months. With the introduction of crossbows into the market. It has brought a lot of archery hunters into the sport, but I believe for the wrong reasons. I would be okay if they made the special season after Christmas. Which is flintlock and archery. And just make that a season specifically for crossbows. I'm gonna be honest, it's probably easier to kill a deer with a crossbow than a flintlock even to 60-70 yards! Lol
No discipline? Is that where you've drawn your line? Nobody cares, thankfully.
@@hjnter-v8w Again, nobody cares what you've decided is "good" and "right".
@@Hendoneesiasorry to ruffle your feathers bruh
A guy with a long bow and side quiver would take your lunch money any day.
I don't doubt it.
The Michigan DNR ruined archery season here by legalizing crossguns. Now all the slob rifle hunters are stinking up the woods.
Let the hate flow through you. 😂
@uncles2000 derp
Well it's not like elitists asshats like you aren't gate keeping the sport right out of existence anyway lol
Cope