MashAllah! JAzakAllahukhairun brother Paul for bringing Dr Khan on your program ! This is a most excellent lecture by a most excellent lecturer! I can’t tell you how impressive it is to do his clinical work and still have the time to be a scholar in Islam ! This shows the power of Islam SubhanAllah ❤
Biggest take away for me: if you tried to apply the same epistemology of radical skepticism to any other field of human knowledge you would have no human knowledge
Allahumma barik ! We translated Dr. Khan‘s outstanding paper on YQ Institute to German and it was one of the most in-depth and profound writings on these issues! It’s so nice to see he created a presentation from it. Any chance we can get the slides and make them accessible for the German audience as well ?
im excited to see Dr Nazir Khan here! what i really admire about him is that he's proficient in so much stuff, whether it's the sciences of the Quran, evolution, theology, neuroscience, you name it!
This scholar's discussion is excellent because he explains things deeply which helps me understand better. Im not Muslim but im open-minded to listen and learn. I don't want my heart to "shut down". Im a simple Christian believer but i still struggle with a "meaning crisis". Peace to all Muslims.
The following is about the conversation we had yesterday: All this comes to you with love and respect. Thanks for the reply. I understand the conundrum you face. When the truth comes in front of people, they face such conundrum. Do you remember that around 2 months back you acknowledged multiple times that The Father is THE GOD of Jesus. That's based on the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Gospels which I presented to you. Ex-pl-ic-it, unambiguous, clear-cut, razor-sharp, without any room for multiple interpretations or imagination somersaults or conjecture contortions. John 20:17: “Jesus saith unto her, ...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.” Have another look! ".... *TO MY GOD and YOUR GOD* " Didn't he say that he was gonna tell about The Father PLAINLY? Jesus did tell about The Father PLAINLY that The Father is his GOD. The term Father is a figure of speech. PLAINLY The Father is THE GOD of Jesus. John 16:29 "Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you *PLAINLY* about my Father. NIV These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you *PLAINLY* of the Father. KJV
You had already acknowledged that The Father is THE GOD of Jesus, but when the rubber met the road and I asked you to complete the sentence, you didn't even go there. That's because even though you had acknowledged that truth a few days back, you let it slip from your mind 1) either you didn't like that truth OR 2) You didn't take that truth seriously enough OR 3) Letting go of years of imagination based theology and faith is proving difficult for you
A) Jesus had a relationship with his GOD. OR B) 👉 God S had a relationship with God F 👈 P0lyth31sm OR C) God had a relationship with Himself. The SCHIZOPHRENIC God
@@Truth.is.Bitter Actually it's a number 4. I had forgotten that I "acknowledged that the Father is THE GOD of Jesus." Isn't that weird? My memory is getting bad. My mom had dementia or Alzheimer's so I'm wondering if I might be susceptible to such a mental disease too ? Anyhow, number 2 is a possibility too. It's possible I "didn't take the truth seriously enough" as you said. So, I'm not sure where my "journey" regarding Jesus' identity is going. I hope I take it seriously. Peace of God to you....
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Thank you for the reply. Now that you remember your acknowledgement and you've also witnessed the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Gospels again, could you please complete the sentence: The Son aka Jesus had a relationship with ________________________.
Amazing lecture! Your arguments are irrefutable and show how hollow atheism is at its core. Thanks Paul for bringing on Dr. Nazir and sharing this enlightening talk. This is a MUST watch and has to be shared WIDELY!
@@ConantheBarbarian1201 From my understanding, the ability and desire to question things is the first step to seek the ultimate meaning of life. Our hearts may seem "hollow", but not in God's eyes. I think God is patiently waiting for us. I don't know it all. Sometimes I need to answer, "I don't know". Respectfully...
Only part of the way through this but alhamdulillah it is such a well articulated, thoughtful and thought provoking presentation. May Allah SWT reward our brothers and sisters for this outstanding content and let it be of benefit to as many people as possible.
Thank you! Jazakum Allah Khair for having Dr. Nazir! And looking forward to seeing more of him on the podcasts. It's a breath of fresh and inspirational air to see impactful people and meaningful work in the community.
One of the best lectures on blogging theology so far, I've been following Dr. Nazir for a while and his translations and teachings of Ibn Taymiyya are incredible! I'll have to listen to this lecture at least three times before I absorb some of the content. May Allah accept your contributions brothers.
Thanks to both for enlightening me. I appreciate from depth of my heart for poul sir for running such an enlightening podcast,may ALLAH swt rewards you from out of his majesty.
Alsalamu aleykom brothr Paul, thank you and your host Dr Khan for the amazing session, it is very informative and really it filled gaps I had about the topic.I watched it twice and sure will watch it many times. Thank you again
I'd been waiting for a good well-prepared, structured presentation by a true scholar on your channel. Dr Nazir made my day after a gap when I had to turn off some speakers who did not know what they were talking.
A number of philosophy professors in the Arab world say that Ibn Taymiyyah is the greatest philosopher in the Islamic world. He has opinions worthy of attention and study in the criticism of Aristotle and the science of logic. Dr. Abdullah Al-Ajiri is a good reader of Ibn Taymiyyah’s books. Dr. Abdullah Al-Ajiri has books on atheism that deserve discussion, and I strongly recommend hosting him to talk about them. Like two books: 1. Shumue Alnahar 2. Atheism Militia.
I think there is another layer to this discussion. The best modern time example that I would give is the phenomenon of the flat earther. Explicitly the flat earther uses empirical evidence, yet even with all the evidence that's been gathered over thousands of years the flat earther is firm and set in his ways. I remember a video of a man living in Florida right beside the rocket launch site where he could see Rockets going into space. He could go out and buy starlink satellite internet service. He probably uses GPS on a daily basis. Yet it's all not enough. Humans have an incredible ability to justify beliefs against all evidence and regardless of epistemology to reach the belief they desire to reach. I like that this discussion names the hidden axioms that go into such debates
This was awesome, thank you. If anyone wants to see this in practice, I’d highly recommend watching Br. Daniel Haqiqatjou’s debate with Matt Dillacunty.
Brother Paul: may peace and blessings be upon you and your family. Could you please tackle the so-called St. Thomas Aquinas' refutations of Islam! It would be interesting to hear what religious scholars (both Muslim and Christian) have to say about that! Thanks for all you do. May Allah reward you for your work with the highest place of Jennah!
Part 2: AlDahr I've so far listened half way to podcast. Jazakallahkhair. InsyaAllah I will make further comment if necessary after finishing listening. One more thing perhaps; a very grave mistake by most of our scholars - mutakallimin or philosophers - is when they are talking about AlDahr/Time. That is when recalled the infinite regression to prove Allah SWT existence. Allah SWT informed in Hadith Qudsi that; وَعَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ قَالَ: قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عَلَيْهِ وَسلم: " قَالَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى: يُؤْذِينِي ابْنُ آدَمَ يَسُبُّ الدَّهْرَ وَأَنَا الدَّهْرُ بِيَدِيَ الْأَمْرُ أُقَلِّبُ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ " مُتَّفَقٌ عَلَيْهِ (الألباني) حكم : متفق عليه (زبیر علی زئی) Grade: Muttafaqun 'alayh (Zubair `Aliza'i) Allah is the ad infinitum eternity. The Hadith is The Truth to words. Allah SWT is the AlDahr/Time. Those whomever believe that AlDahr/Time is one of Allah SWT creations( His makhluk) implied that he/she believes that Allah had created Himself. Without AlDahr/Time nothing exists. In sleep one lost one lost everything; consciousness, god, oneself, sense of Time...all but the observer of you in sleep recognize you are alive and the Time is going on,... although you lost your consciousness. This shows that the Time is continuously existed/present in any circumstances - the situations of a person lost consciousness likes in sleep - the situation of nothingness! It is similar to the state before the universe came to exist. It apparently implies that ONLY Time existed during the state of nothingness before the universe came to exist. BUT we Muslim-mukmin belief in Prophet Muhammad SAW - in his words - in Hadith Qudsi - the fact from Allah in his words - Allah SWT is The Time😢.
The comments weren't kidding. I was skeptical about watching this, but here i am. 10/10 would recommend. Regarding the burden of proof, i wish y’all would have unequivocally stamped that out and/or showed how to do so. Most discussions with atheists stop when you remind them that they have a BOP.
Athiest today are Cowards Who Know They have No Actual Evidence so Pretend They Make No Claims and have No Burden Of Proof Whilst calling God People's Imaginary Friend and saying That People are Delusional for Believing in a Sky Fairy, as if You can say All That and Not Make Any Claims about God Not Existing.
_"Most discussions with atheists stop when you remind them that they have a BOP."_ Why do I have a burden of proof as an atheist? I don't believe your claims. What do you want me to demonstrate? I want _theists_ to demonstrate that their claims are actually true. If they can't do that - and I've never talked to a theist who had *anything* distinguishable from wishful-thinking backing up his religious beliefs - that's all I need to not believe them.
The burden of proof absolutely lies with the person making the positive claim. There is no way around it. If it were not so, then the God of the Quran would have simply said, "I am God, prove me wrong." But it didn't happen that way, did it? God kept pointing to His "signs" to provide evidence of the truth of His claim. He consistently appealed to reason with logical arguments to make His case. It's a completely different matter whether God's evidence was convincing or not. So, to conclude, the burden of proof without a doubt lies upon the one making the positive claim.
@@stevesmith4901 - Not that "Positive Claim" Dogma of Your Atheistic Religion Again. What You said is of Course Not Really True. Also, You do Know "The God of The Koran": is the same One Christians Worship, Right? What is With Atheists pretending Each Religion has a Different god ? In Reality, Any Claim carries The Burden Of Proof, Including the Claims You deem "Negative Claims", and Below is a Free Resource You can Look Up Online. "You Can Prove a Negative " Steven D. Hales An Excerpt; "Some people seem to think that you can’t prove a specific sort of negative claim, namely that a thing does not exist. So it is impossible to prove that Santa Claus, unicorns, the Loch Ness Monster, God, pink elephants, WMD in Iraq, and Bigfoot don’t exist. Of course, this rather depends on what one has in mind by ‘prove.’ Can you construct a valid deductive argument with all true premises that yields the conclusion that there are no unicorns? Sure. Here’s one, using the valid inference procedure of modus tollens:" It goes on to Explain How. Also Look Up "Proof Theory" on Stanford Encyclopedia Of Philosophy. In Real Logic, You can Prove a Negative and The Burden Of Proof is on All Claims not just Positive Claims,. Atheists just want to Privledge Their Position when it doens't Deserve such Privledge.
@@stevesmith4901 - In Real Logic All Claims have The Burden of Proof. This Dogma from The Holy Religion Of Atheism that Only Those Who make Positive Claims have The Burden Of Proof is Absurd Nonsense. By the way The Holy Religion of Atheism is Not ju8st Atheism so No, I did not call Atheism a Religion like You Will Claim I did.
Part 3: Why AlQuraniah science Methodology and Facts are the ONLY be acceptable as truth. In Part 1 of my comments I mentioned about 3 principle ways/means to the truth. They're related to 3 different kinds/levels certainty of knowledge (yaqin) as follows: 1. One observes the reality..., بمشاهدة ~ ain-ul yaqin - certainty by personal inspection/observations. 2. One has observed the similar reality... مشاهدة نظير ~ ilm-ul yaqin - certainty by reasoning or inference. 3. The true information/testimony about its... الخبر الصادق ~ haq ul yaqin - absolute certainty/Truth of AlQuran and authentic Hadith from Rasulullah SAW. We have generally explored and concluded that intellectual philosophical/kalamiah rational reasoning or inference has failed miserably to prove existence of god proposition. God of the philosopher/mutakallimin is the god of the gaps of philosophical/ kalamiah axioms and arguments because human rational is not a knowledge per se so there gaps of knowledge of the prior or pre-universal existence. This conclusion is applied to both cases; the cosmological/ ontological and contingency/dependency philosophical approaches. Secondly the philosophical/kalamiah arguments for existence of god do not take time into consideration. Now it can clearly be understood that it would have been a total misguided to accept dependency/contingency for existence of god since its argued independence of time when Allah the Creater Himself is The Time/AlDahr. (My Part 2 comment). It is a total disaster since many Islamic scholars believe that The Time/ AlDahr is one of Allah SWT creations (makhluk)!. In my other comment, ruclips.net/user/postUgkxlxzOJqxSB1An4_6gsz4_Qa0bB7ACY-0n?si=W1DGw_znTf1lj__A showed that the secular as well godly monism(be physicalism or idealism) philosophy and science are trapped in circular reasonings therefore useless to prove the truths. Therefore now we Muslim-mukmin must now focus in development of AlQuranic Science - science of truths. If I have opportunity InsyaAllah we can show and derive that; ¹ The basis of Alquranic science (in spirit of the true meaning of science as ilm/knowledge) was first introduced to the world as early as the first Wahyu and subsequent historical events experienced by the Prophet Muhammad SAW that followed the 1st revelation. ² At the same instance of we can understand that the 1st Wahyu was the proof for the existence and the Singular-Unity of Allah, the existence of the Angels of Allah, AlQuran as one of the Books of Allah and the Prophet Muhammad SAW is one of the many Messengers of Allah before him. (I hope you all can bear with my English)
@@ShahzadAhmad-nb6si _"Because that is bad for you. Not for us you will be in danger"_ From Muslims, you mean. Yeah, I'll risk it. Most of the time, you just murder people in your own country. Or some well-known person. Or cartoonists. I suspect that it will be awhile before you get down to murdering _me_ for disagreeing with you.
AsalamuAlaykumWaRahmatullahiWaBarakatuh Amazing work on deconstructing the fundamental premises of belief into undoubtable facts rooted into the Fitrah, eradicating radical skepticism from its roots. I have 2 (3ish) questions: 1. You mentioned, truth, morality, an external world, belief in God etc as beliefs of the Fitrah. My Meta question now, is, what are all of the fundamental beliefs of the Fitrah? Could we list out these beliefs and attach undoubtable fitrah definitions to them, such that we can THEN use syllogisms with these axiomatic premises as our basis? Or is this question begging, and presupposing something else? 2. (Continuation of 1's line of reasoning) Furthermore, you mentioned that belief in God is an axiomatic truth of the Fitrah, and that Islam was not a truth like this, rather it being a derived truth from a derived understanding of God's message, the guidance of the Quran etc. For someone who uses their Fitrah to come to the conclusion of Christianity, or another religion, or even Islam, but with a deviant Aqidah, and given that logic is deductive, a. whatever we hold to be axiomatic truths, and b. whatever we hold as their definitions, doesn't it then follow that every belief we end up on is as a result of a deviation in one of these two fronts? 3. And lastly, are the laws of Logic axiomatic truths? What implication does this have?
My personal experience with doubts. As I grew up, I was certain that Islam was the truth but when I was in my teens, I started watching Islamic content on RUclips. Naturally, YT started recommending me muslim vs atheist debates. When I saw those titles i was like, who are these atheists, they are shooting themselves on the foot, at that time i was certain that Islam was 100% truth. When I started watching these debates i felt disturbed as the points that atheists were making made sense to me, especially about evolution, as i was aware of that from my school. I could not simply ignore these "facts," because as a born muslim i was taught to be sincere with my faith. But Alhamdulillah, the brothers on YT and a book from Adnan Oktar (at the time i didn't know that he was a Quranist and a cult leader) helped me in not losing my faith, but the doubts didn't end. After watching a lot of videos and reading many books on this topic, I became firmer in my faith, but still the doubts didn't go away. One night, i was praying and the doubts like "why are you praying?" "Who are you praying to?" "Does that God even exist?" were coming in my mind. I became frustrated and told myself "Ok i am atheist now, NOW WHAT!" I started feeling overwhelmingly lonely and sad. In the dead of night, I could only think of stars and the galaxies, were they just "matter and energy", what happens to me when i die. I started doubting atheism as well, lol. At that time, I became very emotional and then I quickly repented to Allah. Alhamdulillah. But still the doubts didn't go away. When I prayed, I would think "If God doesn't exist, then aren't you just wasting your time and energy." Interestingly, these doubts only came when I was doing something good like praying or studying, when I was watching movies or playing video games, I could focus on doing that very well. This may have not proven God, but it may have proven shaytan. Subhanallah. These doubts were a big problem. Recently, I have decided that I will allow myself to doubt everything except for one thing, this really helped me in focusing in salah, and it is لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله There is none worthy of worship except God (Allah) and Muhammad is the messenger of God. Btw, sorry for bad english.
I went to one of the top universities of the US and lost my faith and became a strong agnostic. Spent a decade and came back to islam. I think You can dismiss you doubts in many ways. Believing in Allah and islam is a no brainer. Being an atheist is falsehood and misery. I think they key to finding faith is to Turn to Allah asking for forgiveness and guidance.
Finding God: Experiment or Multiplayer Game? Something to think about for Agnostics from a Long term Agnostic
I was a disbeliever in God and any religion for most of my adult life. I went through a decade long journey to find what I now know is the truth. The standard of proof that I had when I started my journey, remained the same. At the start of my journey I thought that even if I found evidence of God, I would perhaps have faith to an extent that I would be able to say, I think it likely God exist. I was convinced that there could be no certitude of faith. I do not believe any of my standards of proof have changed, though I now am sure there is such a thing as certainty of faith in God. Think about the following. People do not go out of their way to help people not up to a basic criteria. If someone does not come up to your standards, you will not help him in certain things. You perhaps may not want to help a murderer buy a Gun. Those standards do not have to be very high. Point is if you go apply for a job saying I am the brightest of the brightest Harvard has to offer, and you my interviewer are a moron, then expecting a job offer may not be likely. Alternatively if you are a multiple murderer and a MIT 5.0 GPA grad and go apply for a Job, and say I am the best technical person you are going to find hire me, its is again likely that you will get rejected. I am convinced it’s exactly the same story with finding proof of God/religion. Reason can lead you to proof of God only if God wants you to get there. God has with held certain key factors with himself so that with all your data you will not analyze it in a way to prove his existence to yourself. This I believe is a key way for him giving proof to whom he chooses and withhold proof from who he chooses. What makes him decide who to lead to the right way, that is for you to discover. I believe factors like arrogance, not caring about the truth, not searching for the truth without biases, forcing your own standards on God are perhaps some of the reasons for which God withholds proof. God, I believe, handicaps people for their circumstances. An Al Mighty holds all the cards If there is a God, It is obvious that God has not provided the understanding of proof of his existence to all people. People do genuinely disbelieve in his existence. Similarly not all people who believe in God, believe in the same religion, this again means that God has not provided the understanding of proof of the true religion to all people. For an agnostic searching for the truth, whatever it may be. If he uses reason to want to disprove God, God may very likely withhold the proofs from that person. If the person is unbiased, then that person should try to see that if there is a God, what standards should I try to meet which will make God give me proof. This is a key mistake I see too many people make i.e. they do not think of the search as a multiplayer game rather a simple data collection experiment. A number of people of Belief, believe they have proof based on reason and through reason they have achieved faith, they could be right, but I think just as crucial is the factor whether they have achieved that basic standard. Agnosticism can be a good start. It provides a starting place to find the truth. If you remain completely in blind faith you could be on the wrong path and have no hope of finding the truth. But to use reason alone and not factor in the fact that to get the job its not only your qualifications but also if you fit the Employers standard, can lead you into serious trouble. If by chance you meet this standard, you get hired if you don’t well then.. What this means for an Agnostic. Remain true to your standards, seek the truth aggressively, and make finding the truth a top priority in your life. If God exists, I believe, he will appreciate you making an unbiased search for the truth. You make finding God without any biases a top priority and he may well make you a priority. I am convinced he will not hold any genuine doubts you have. If God chooses he will give you sufficient proof. Do not cop out and accept a religion based on blind faith. Hold on until you have enough proof before committing to a religion. Keep you genuine doubts and expect answers. Try to be unbiased in your opinion about Gods existence. If you do not want him to exist, he will likely convince you of it. Use creative prayers like the following “ God, I do not know you exist, I only want the truth whether I like it or dislike it, if you are there help me find the truth.” Remember that if there is a God, then he has clearly not given proof to all people, try to improve yourself and try to figure out what standards God may use to give proof. Study religion without bias Ask Forgiveness of God of whatever you may have done wrong. Keep asking for guidance. Keep your likes and dislikes out of the search for truth. What you like does not make it true and what you dislike does not make it false. This is a key factor in moving a person away from the truth. I believe proofs of God and religion is individualized. You may be given proof different from what other people are given. If you come up to Gods criteria, the proof I believe will be enough to give you certitude of faith. Summary Most of what I wrote above was something I wrote about a decade and a half ago. In a nutshell my updated understanding of that criteria is simply keep asking whoever created the universe to forgive you and guide you with humility. You must keep your likes and dislike out of it and be willing to accept the creator on his terms and his likes and dislikes. If you persist and keep turning to the creator you will be guided. He has to show you convincing proof if he really expect you to believe and I know he does. Him expecting blind faith is him asking you to just gamble which is not going to lead you to the truth. Irrespective if my criteria is accurate or not. You need to find the criteria whatever it may be. You can treat my criteria as a falsification test.
This is a starting point for those agnostic about religion. Supposing you only know there is there is some God (since you have figured out that part) and no other information about who or what he is Thus you are with no information of which God may be the true god. Consider the Following Statements. If I say Worship A who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true.. If I say Worship B who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true.. if I say Worship John, the man who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true.. if I say Worship the Sun, the Star who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true.. However if I say Worship the creator the universe, who is the true God. That is a true statement! Since you are specifying God as he who created the universe and not a particular object person. That is the true God and to worship him is the true religion. God is specified exactly this way in the Quran including Surah Kahf. Point is Muhammad SWAS came and basically told us to worship that God. Look the the mulsim prayers and duas, they apply on the creator of the universe. If you mean Allah to mean the creator, then Subhan Allah (Allah is perfect), Alhamdolillah (All praise if for Allah), Allah o Akbar (Allah is the greatest), La ilaha illalah (The is no God but Allah), La huwal walquwata illah billah (There is no power but with Allah). Surah Fatheha. You list them, they are all completely valid prayers for the creator.
(Say: "Verily, Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides unto Himself those who turn to Him in repentance.'') meaning, He guides to Him those who repent, turn to Him, beg Him, seek His help and humbly submit to Him [Tafsir Ibn Kathir) Reflect on the following hadith the guidance part: On the authority of Abu Dharr al-Ghifaree (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) from his Lord, that He said: O My servants! I have forbidden dhulm (oppression) for Myself, and I have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another. O My servants, all of you are astray except those whom I have guided, so seek guidance from Me and I shall guide you. O My servants, all of you are hungry except those whom I have fed, so seek food from Me and I shall feed you. O My servants, all of you are naked except those whom I have clothed, so seek clothing from Me and I shall clothe you. O My servants, you commit sins by day and by night, and I forgive all sins, so seek forgiveness from Me and I shall forgive you. O My servants, you will not attain harming Me so as to harm Me, and you will not attain benefiting Me so as to benefit Me. O My servants, if the first of you and the last of you, and the humans of you and the jinn of you, were all as pious as the most pious heart of any individual amongst you, then this would not increase My Kingdom an iota. O My servants, if the first of you and the last of you, and the humans of you and the jinn of you, were all as wicked as the most wicked heart of any individual amongst you, then this would not decrease My Kingdom an iota. O My servants, if the first of you and the last of you, and the humans of you and the jinn of you, were all to stand together in one place and ask of Me, and I were to give everyone what he requested, then that would not decrease what I Possess, except what is decreased of the ocean when a needle is dipped into it. O My servants, it is but your deeds that I account for you, and then recompense you for. So he who finds good, let him praise Allah, and he who finds other than that, let him blame no one but himself. [Muslim]
@@osmanniazi7888 I understand a gist of what you are saying, I myself since my childhood have tried to gain Ilm with humility and sincerity, Alhamdulillah. I know that with my current knowledge, I can't prove that God exists, even to myself let alone others. But I still choose to believe in God with certainty, Alhamdulillah. I look at practical aspects of my belief in God, I know it is in my best interest to follow Islam. I have myself sort of experienced nihilism since the covid era. Even if Islam isn't true, I don't think that i will ever be convinced that it is the case, but still even then, Islam has provided many strong and successful men with peace and content, SubhanAllah. I believe that either Islam is the truth or i am completely ignorant of the universe, other faiths have never even come close to convince me of their truth. If Islam is the truth, then I believe in it anyways, Alhamdulillah. As for knowledge, I have decided to put effort and study the material world, at the same time i want to become a doctor, Inshallah. I want to do dawah after i have the proof (for me at least) that Islam is 100% truth, Inshallah.
Ibn Taymiyyah may have detractors but one cannot deny he had deep love for the Sunnah of our Prophet and following the way of the salaf and fought in the path of Allah against the Mongols whereas other scholars were palace lap dogs not condemning political sectarianism and factionalism during the crusader period/Mongol and busy in inter Sunni polemics. Ibn Taymiyyah instead worried about the common man and women.
There were many other scholars who weren't lap dogs. May Allah SWT reward all of our righteous scholars from the past. I believe Muslim should refrain from the catty commentaries they make about prominent scholars of the past who they disagree with (to be frank, I don't think most of them even comprehend the full works of those scholars anyway) because as their honour is a right upon is and they are the giants who's shoulders we stand on
Ibn taymiyyah was divider in chief of Muslim ummah and that's enough for him to rot in deepest of hell. And still his followers are doing but more ferociously like destruction of countries like Iraq Syria Somalia Yemen Libya and eventually after destruction this sunni countries fell into Iran shia influence. And you shamelessly ideologies the deviant.
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Another very interesting, stimulating talk. Thank you. It seems that Islam tends to rely on belief as the natural (default) human condition. Nonbelief being a corruption of the natural state. Another method would be that a person starts out as neither a believer nor as a nonbeliever, but as someone with a completely open mind while seeking their answer to the important question; is there a divine being or force? Perhaps they come to their truth through calculation, through revelation, through an emotional need or through some other process. In any event, through a process. For a rational person that would involve proof. Here in the United States, finding of fact often involves analysis by a preponderance of evidence. That is that one conclusion is more likely than another conclusion. Another is using a standard of clear and convincing evidence. And a third, most strict, by a conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt. As an aside, another type of analysis would be interesting. Is Hindu belief truer than Islamic belief? Is Buddhist belief better than Islamic belief? Certainly, the questions of Christianity vs, Ilam has been covered here many times over.
Sure, it's a reasonable question, but there's also a reasonable answer: I honestly don't know what would convince me of Allah, Jesus or Zeus, but a God would know what would be convincing to each individual.
Ihdinas siratal mustaqim. Truth by harnessing/generating of giving possible with Intelligence from signal by affirm from signal current of viewing from eye receptor activation with rememberance from learn with way by mechanic of utilize with signal by learn with brain from verify knowledge by automating from current of mechanic 🤔
I think that's a category error. Many "disbelievers" are simply not convinced of the claims of a God (Agnostic). There's no "foundation" any more than the layperson's "foundation" against String Theory.
Me: I wanna live while doubting everything. Everybody: what a stupid idea, are you dumb? Some philosopher: I wanna live while doubting everything Everybody: wow that's so deep, can i be your disciple...
The point isn’t if God exists on not, the point is why God needs us to have a religion ? I think that God doesn’t worry for human been or any kind of life because God is in everything, so why God needs us to believe ?
God does not need us to believe. We need Him, not the otherway around. We would not even exist if not for Him. Accepting that is part of being grateful. The condition of the human beign is like a tree that refuses to work as intended, or a lion that wants to eat fruit. Difference is they cannot choose. We can choose: to obey the designer or reject Him. And that is our test. Because we can reason, and through that we reach the creator. Accepting that all that exists has a clear purpose, design and goal. Nothing usless exists. Humans are not the exception.
Assalamualaikum hey it's meta.... I'm Muslim from Indonesia aceh.... Alhamdulillah I was born in Islam and I will perish in islam although my circumstances accuse me of non muslim... Huhuhu 😅😢 but it's ok.... I try to survive alone...
Please for the love of our eyes, REFRAIN FROM THE WHITE BACKGROUND SLIDES 😭 A warm color that works for day time and the night owls. Because rn my eyes are BLEEDING. Please, Paul help us out here 😅
We are very bad with theses explanations, out of arabic language. God doesn't exist, and who claims it he doesn't understand Islam believes. Allah is al Qayyum, He makes that His creations Exist. Allah is not an object dwelling somewhere and sometime. I really reject philosophers in matter of God's words, borrowing from greek and christians. Allah is ACTING, He is Verb, infinitive. So, to translate Islam creed in mathematical equation through philosophy and translations, without knowing deeply arabic, can lead only in deep misconceptions of God's words. Another example, Ummah and Iman share 90% of their meaning. Iman never meant Faith, which is an english christian concept, not arabic.
MashAllah! JAzakAllahukhairun brother Paul for bringing Dr Khan on your program ! This is a most excellent lecture by a most excellent lecturer! I can’t tell you how impressive it is to do his clinical work and still have the time to be a scholar in Islam ! This shows the power of Islam SubhanAllah ❤
Biggest take away for me: if you tried to apply the same epistemology of radical skepticism to any other field of human knowledge you would have no human knowledge
thats acutally sad
Actually, that how science works and why we could build the tech we see today. Rigour.
Allahumma barik ! We translated Dr. Khan‘s outstanding paper on YQ Institute to German and it was one of the most in-depth and profound writings on these issues! It’s so nice to see he created a presentation from it. Any chance we can get the slides and make them accessible for the German audience as well ?
Dr Nazir never disappoints - atheism's growth has been exponential in the west so this was very refreshing to watch ! jazakum Allahu khairan !!
I was disappointed he didn't steel-man the arguments from agnostics; instead it seemed more of preaching to the choir and straw-manning disbelief.
What did you think of his comparison between atheism and solipsism? I wasn't so sure about that one too...
im excited to see Dr Nazir Khan here! what i really admire about him is that he's proficient in so much stuff, whether it's the sciences of the Quran, evolution, theology, neuroscience, you name it!
This scholar's discussion is excellent because he explains things deeply which helps me understand better.
Im not Muslim but im open-minded to listen and learn. I don't want my heart to "shut down".
Im a simple Christian believer but i still struggle with a "meaning crisis".
Peace to all Muslims.
The following is about the conversation we had yesterday:
All this comes to you with love and respect.
Thanks for the reply. I understand the conundrum you face. When the truth comes in front of people, they face such conundrum.
Do you remember that around 2 months back you acknowledged multiple times that The Father is THE GOD of Jesus. That's based on the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Gospels which I presented to you. Ex-pl-ic-it, unambiguous, clear-cut, razor-sharp, without any room for multiple interpretations or imagination somersaults or conjecture contortions.
John 20:17: “Jesus saith unto her, ...I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.”
Have another look!
".... *TO MY GOD and YOUR GOD* "
Didn't he say that he was gonna tell about The Father PLAINLY?
Jesus did tell about The Father PLAINLY that The Father is his GOD.
The term Father is a figure of speech. PLAINLY The Father is THE GOD of Jesus.
John 16:29
"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you *PLAINLY* about my Father. NIV
These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you *PLAINLY* of the Father. KJV
You had already acknowledged that The Father is THE GOD of Jesus, but when the rubber met the road and I asked you to complete the sentence, you didn't even go there. That's because even though you had acknowledged that truth a few days back, you let it slip from your mind
1) either you didn't like that truth
OR
2) You didn't take that truth seriously enough
OR
3) Letting go of years of imagination based theology and faith is proving difficult for you
A) Jesus had a relationship with his GOD.
OR
B) 👉 God S had a relationship with God F 👈
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OR
C) God had a relationship with Himself.
The SCHIZOPHRENIC God
@@Truth.is.Bitter Actually it's a number 4. I had forgotten that I "acknowledged that the Father is THE GOD of Jesus."
Isn't that weird? My memory is getting bad. My mom had dementia or Alzheimer's so I'm wondering if I might be susceptible to such a mental disease too ?
Anyhow, number 2 is a possibility too. It's possible I "didn't take the truth seriously enough" as you said.
So, I'm not sure where my "journey" regarding Jesus' identity is going. I hope I take it seriously.
Peace of God to you....
@@johnbrzykcy3076
Thank you for the reply. Now that you remember your acknowledgement and you've also witnessed the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Gospels again, could you please complete the sentence:
The Son aka Jesus had a relationship with ________________________.
Amazing lecture! Your arguments are irrefutable and show how hollow atheism is at its core. Thanks Paul for bringing on Dr. Nazir and sharing this enlightening talk. This is a MUST watch and has to be shared WIDELY!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I actually expected more from an intellectual. It seemed more of preaching to the choir than addressing the strongest arguments for non-belief.
How is it Hollow to never Stop asking questions compared to answering all questions with the Same answer?
@@ConantheBarbarian1201 From my understanding, the ability and desire to question things is the first step to seek the ultimate meaning of life. Our hearts may seem "hollow", but not in God's eyes. I think God is patiently waiting for us.
I don't know it all. Sometimes I need to answer, "I don't know".
Respectfully...
@@ConantheBarbarian1201 it's hollow because it's easier to willfully misrepresent ideas with which you don't agree.
Only part of the way through this but alhamdulillah it is such a well articulated, thoughtful and thought provoking presentation. May Allah SWT reward our brothers and sisters for this outstanding content and let it be of benefit to as many people as possible.
Thank you! Jazakum Allah Khair for having Dr. Nazir! And looking forward to seeing more of him on the podcasts. It's a breath of fresh and inspirational air to see impactful people and meaningful work in the community.
I'm a big fan of your climbing videos
A very thorough explanation on atheism, spirituality and faith. Thanks for sharing your deep knowledge on the subject.
May Allah reward you both for your insight.
One of the best lectures on blogging theology so far, I've been following Dr. Nazir for a while and his translations and teachings of Ibn Taymiyya are incredible! I'll have to listen to this lecture at least three times before I absorb some of the content. May Allah accept your contributions brothers.
Thanks to both for enlightening me.
I appreciate from depth of my heart for poul sir for running such an enlightening podcast,may ALLAH swt rewards you from out of his majesty.
Br Paul, salam. This was spectacular. My favourite along with the legendary episodes with Dr Ataie. ❤❤❤ May God preserve you, alhamdulillah.
Alsalamu aleykom brothr Paul, thank you and your host Dr Khan for the amazing session, it is very informative and really it filled gaps I had about the topic.I watched it twice and sure will watch it many times. Thank you again
wa alaikum assalam
Keep the good work of knowledge.
I'd been waiting for a good well-prepared, structured presentation by a true scholar on your channel. Dr Nazir made my day after a gap when I had to turn off some speakers who did not know what they were talking.
A number of philosophy professors in the Arab world say that Ibn Taymiyyah is the greatest philosopher in the Islamic world.
He has opinions worthy of attention and study in the criticism of Aristotle and the science of logic.
Dr. Abdullah Al-Ajiri is a good reader of Ibn Taymiyyah’s books. Dr. Abdullah Al-Ajiri has books on atheism that deserve discussion, and I strongly recommend hosting him to talk about them. Like two books: 1. Shumue Alnahar 2. Atheism Militia.
Mashallah top class, a great contribution to our great intellectual heritage which we need more of in our current age
Mashallah Dr Nazir’s extensive knowledge make him a true asset to our Ummah
I think there is another layer to this discussion. The best modern time example that I would give is the phenomenon of the flat earther. Explicitly the flat earther uses empirical evidence, yet even with all the evidence that's been gathered over thousands of years the flat earther is firm and set in his ways. I remember a video of a man living in Florida right beside the rocket launch site where he could see Rockets going into space. He could go out and buy starlink satellite internet service. He probably uses GPS on a daily basis. Yet it's all not enough. Humans have an incredible ability to justify beliefs against all evidence and regardless of epistemology to reach the belief they desire to reach. I like that this discussion names the hidden axioms that go into such debates
Attended many of Dr. Khans Knutbas in Winnipeg Canada.
JazakAllah khair Paul. Amazing podcast as always❤
Great presentation! It’s one that I can use in research, dawah, etc.
Jazakum Allah khair.
Masha Allah really beautiful lecture. Jazakallah khoir Paul for your work.
May Allah Bless and Reward Both of you in this Life and in the Hereafter.
What a great exploration of this topic. I appreciate the academic perspective and love the way Dr. Nazir can still make things like this accessible.
That was an amazing discussion, so much information that touch the root cause of the problem.
بارك الله فيكم ❤
What a fantastic presentation by the Dr. I hope Paul invites him again for another episode. Highly highly recommend it
mind opening video. skepticism only leads to darkness and confusion
This was awesome, thank you. If anyone wants to see this in practice, I’d highly recommend watching Br. Daniel Haqiqatjou’s debate with Matt Dillacunty.
This was brilliant 👏 Thank you.
Dr Paul we are really benefiting thank you
*I always listen to podcasts and in that case I won't miss a word.*
wonderful
Amazing! And absolutely insightful 👏
Amazing lecture, JazaAllah Khair
Great lecture, jazakum allah khairan
One hell of a tour-de-force!
MashAllah great lecture
Beautiful discussion 👌
Salaams, brother Paul, and thank you. It's perfect timing to listen to something excellent with my cup of tea and knitting 😊
Wonderful!
Great informative talk Dr. Khan. Jazakallah for sharing
Brother Paul: may peace and blessings be upon you and your family. Could you please tackle the so-called St. Thomas Aquinas' refutations of Islam! It would be interesting to hear what religious scholars (both Muslim and Christian) have to say about that! Thanks for all you do. May Allah reward you for your work with the highest place of Jennah!
Amazing episode with an important topic and great guest! May Allah reward you both!
MashaAllaah tabarakaAllah Allahuma bareek
I met Dr Khan at Mac InterMSA 2 years ago. I thought I recognized this face.
the path you took to explain or apply how to understand fitrah was effective. Im referring to the time stamp 46:18
Truly needed this , thank you!
Amazing. Please do more talks with Dr Nazir Khan! He is a hidden gem. MashAllah
Was waiting for this one for so long
May Allah reward you and your guests for the knowledge you platform Ameen
I salute you 🖐️
Part 2:
AlDahr
I've so far listened half way to podcast. Jazakallahkhair. InsyaAllah I will make further comment if necessary after finishing listening.
One more thing perhaps; a very grave mistake by most of our scholars - mutakallimin or philosophers - is when they are talking about AlDahr/Time. That is when recalled the infinite regression to prove Allah SWT existence.
Allah SWT informed in Hadith Qudsi that;
وَعَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ قَالَ: قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عَلَيْهِ وَسلم: " قَالَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى: يُؤْذِينِي ابْنُ آدَمَ يَسُبُّ الدَّهْرَ وَأَنَا الدَّهْرُ بِيَدِيَ الْأَمْرُ أُقَلِّبُ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ "
مُتَّفَقٌ عَلَيْهِ (الألباني)
حكم : متفق عليه (زبیر علی زئی)
Grade: Muttafaqun 'alayh (Zubair `Aliza'i)
Allah is the ad infinitum eternity. The Hadith is The Truth to words. Allah SWT is the AlDahr/Time. Those whomever believe that AlDahr/Time is one of Allah SWT creations( His makhluk) implied that he/she believes that Allah had created Himself.
Without AlDahr/Time nothing exists. In sleep one lost one lost everything; consciousness, god, oneself, sense of Time...all but the observer of you in sleep recognize you are alive and the Time is going on,... although you lost your consciousness. This shows that the Time is continuously existed/present in any circumstances - the situations of a person lost consciousness likes in sleep - the situation of nothingness! It is similar to the state before the universe came to exist. It apparently implies that ONLY Time existed during the state of nothingness before the universe came to exist. BUT we Muslim-mukmin belief in Prophet Muhammad SAW - in his words - in Hadith Qudsi - the fact from Allah in his words - Allah SWT is The Time😢.
The comments weren't kidding. I was skeptical about watching this, but here i am. 10/10 would recommend.
Regarding the burden of proof, i wish y’all would have unequivocally stamped that out and/or showed how to do so. Most discussions with atheists stop when you remind them that they have a BOP.
Athiest today are Cowards Who Know They have No Actual Evidence so Pretend They Make No Claims and have No Burden Of Proof Whilst calling God People's Imaginary Friend and saying That People are Delusional for Believing in a Sky Fairy, as if You can say All That and Not Make Any Claims about God Not Existing.
_"Most discussions with atheists stop when you remind them that they have a BOP."_
Why do I have a burden of proof as an atheist? I don't believe your claims. What do you want me to demonstrate? I want _theists_ to demonstrate that their claims are actually true. If they can't do that - and I've never talked to a theist who had *anything* distinguishable from wishful-thinking backing up his religious beliefs - that's all I need to not believe them.
The burden of proof absolutely lies with the person making the positive claim. There is no way around it. If it were not so, then the God of the Quran would have simply said, "I am God, prove me wrong." But it didn't happen that way, did it? God kept pointing to His "signs" to provide evidence of the truth of His claim. He consistently appealed to reason with logical arguments to make His case. It's a completely different matter whether God's evidence was convincing or not. So, to conclude, the burden of proof without a doubt lies upon the one making the positive claim.
@@stevesmith4901 - Not that "Positive Claim" Dogma of Your Atheistic Religion Again. What You said is of Course Not Really True. Also, You do Know "The God of The Koran": is the same One Christians Worship, Right? What is With Atheists pretending Each Religion has a Different god ?
In Reality, Any Claim carries The Burden Of Proof, Including the Claims You deem "Negative Claims", and Below is a Free Resource You can Look Up Online.
"You Can Prove a Negative "
Steven D. Hales
An Excerpt;
"Some people seem to think that you can’t prove a specific sort of negative claim, namely that a thing does not exist. So it is impossible to prove that Santa Claus, unicorns, the Loch Ness Monster, God, pink elephants, WMD in Iraq, and Bigfoot don’t exist. Of course, this rather depends on what one has in mind by ‘prove.’ Can you construct a valid deductive argument with all true premises that yields the conclusion that there are no unicorns? Sure. Here’s one, using the valid inference procedure of modus tollens:"
It goes on to Explain How.
Also Look Up "Proof Theory" on Stanford Encyclopedia Of Philosophy.
In Real Logic, You can Prove a Negative and The Burden Of Proof is on All Claims not just Positive Claims,.
Atheists just want to Privledge Their Position when it doens't Deserve such Privledge.
@@stevesmith4901 - In Real Logic All Claims have The Burden of Proof. This Dogma from The Holy Religion Of Atheism that Only Those Who make Positive Claims have The Burden Of Proof is Absurd Nonsense. By the way The Holy Religion of Atheism is Not ju8st Atheism so No, I did not call Atheism a Religion like You Will Claim I did.
Thanks
Many thanks!
This is fantastic content and much needed in the times we live in.
Part 3:
Why AlQuraniah science Methodology and Facts are the ONLY be acceptable as truth.
In Part 1 of my comments I mentioned about 3 principle ways/means to the truth. They're related to 3 different kinds/levels certainty of knowledge (yaqin) as follows:
1. One observes the reality..., بمشاهدة ~ ain-ul yaqin - certainty by personal inspection/observations.
2. One has observed the similar reality... مشاهدة نظير ~ ilm-ul yaqin - certainty by reasoning or inference.
3. The true information/testimony about its... الخبر الصادق ~ haq ul yaqin - absolute certainty/Truth of AlQuran and authentic Hadith from Rasulullah SAW.
We have generally explored and concluded that intellectual philosophical/kalamiah rational reasoning or inference has failed miserably to prove existence of god proposition. God of the philosopher/mutakallimin is the god of the gaps of philosophical/ kalamiah axioms and arguments because human rational is not a knowledge per se so there gaps of knowledge of the prior or pre-universal existence. This conclusion is applied to both cases; the cosmological/ ontological and contingency/dependency philosophical approaches.
Secondly the philosophical/kalamiah arguments for existence of god do not take time into consideration. Now it can clearly be understood that it would have been a total misguided to accept dependency/contingency for existence of god since its argued independence of time when Allah the Creater Himself is The Time/AlDahr. (My Part 2 comment). It is a total disaster since many Islamic scholars believe that The Time/ AlDahr is one of Allah SWT creations (makhluk)!.
In my other comment,
ruclips.net/user/postUgkxlxzOJqxSB1An4_6gsz4_Qa0bB7ACY-0n?si=W1DGw_znTf1lj__A
showed that the secular as well godly monism(be physicalism or idealism) philosophy and science are trapped in circular reasonings therefore useless to prove the truths. Therefore now we Muslim-mukmin must now focus in development of AlQuranic Science - science of truths.
If I have opportunity InsyaAllah we can show and derive that;
¹ The basis of Alquranic science (in spirit of the true meaning of science as ilm/knowledge) was first introduced to the world as early as the first Wahyu and subsequent historical events experienced by the Prophet Muhammad SAW that followed the 1st revelation.
² At the same instance of we can understand that the 1st Wahyu was the proof for the existence and the Singular-Unity of Allah, the existence of the Angels of Allah, AlQuran as one of the Books of Allah and the Prophet Muhammad SAW is one of the many Messengers of Allah before him.
(I hope you all can bear with my English)
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God: *exists*
atheists: *triggered*
Atheists: I don't believe you.
Muslims: triggered!
Only idiots BAALiEVE, in THE(oS=SETH😈)
@@Bill_Garthright Actually no. Because that is bad for you. Not for us you will be in danger because we have Truth.
@@ShahzadAhmad-nb6si
_"Because that is bad for you. Not for us you will be in danger"_
From Muslims, you mean. Yeah, I'll risk it. Most of the time, you just murder people in your own country. Or some well-known person. Or cartoonists. I suspect that it will be awhile before you get down to murdering _me_ for disagreeing with you.
apparition, mirage, misconception or superficial skepticism against islam rahmatan lil 'alamin
AsalamuAlaykumWaRahmatullahiWaBarakatuh
Amazing work on deconstructing the fundamental premises of belief into undoubtable facts rooted into the Fitrah, eradicating radical skepticism from its roots. I have 2 (3ish) questions:
1. You mentioned, truth, morality, an external world, belief in God etc as beliefs of the Fitrah. My Meta question now, is, what are all of the fundamental beliefs of the Fitrah? Could we list out these beliefs and attach undoubtable fitrah definitions to them, such that we can THEN use syllogisms with these axiomatic premises as our basis? Or is this question begging, and presupposing something else?
2. (Continuation of 1's line of reasoning) Furthermore, you mentioned that belief in God is an axiomatic truth of the Fitrah, and that Islam was not a truth like this, rather it being a derived truth from a derived understanding of God's message, the guidance of the Quran etc. For someone who uses their Fitrah to come to the conclusion of Christianity, or another religion, or even Islam, but with a deviant Aqidah, and given that logic is deductive, a. whatever we hold to be axiomatic truths, and b. whatever we hold as their definitions, doesn't it then follow that every belief we end up on is as a result of a deviation in one of these two fronts?
3. And lastly, are the laws of Logic axiomatic truths? What implication does this have?
Alhamdulillah... Many thanks to you both
My personal experience with doubts.
As I grew up, I was certain that Islam was the truth but when I was in my teens, I started watching Islamic content on RUclips. Naturally, YT started recommending me muslim vs atheist debates. When I saw those titles i was like, who are these atheists, they are shooting themselves on the foot, at that time i was certain that Islam was 100% truth. When I started watching these debates i felt disturbed as the points that atheists were making made sense to me, especially about evolution, as i was aware of that from my school. I could not simply ignore these "facts," because as a born muslim i was taught to be sincere with my faith. But Alhamdulillah, the brothers on YT and a book from Adnan Oktar (at the time i didn't know that he was a Quranist and a cult leader) helped me in not losing my faith, but the doubts didn't end. After watching a lot of videos and reading many books on this topic, I became firmer in my faith, but still the doubts didn't go away. One night, i was praying and the doubts like "why are you praying?" "Who are you praying to?" "Does that God even exist?" were coming in my mind. I became frustrated and told myself "Ok i am atheist now, NOW WHAT!" I started feeling overwhelmingly lonely and sad. In the dead of night, I could only think of stars and the galaxies, were they just "matter and energy", what happens to me when i die. I started doubting atheism as well, lol. At that time, I became very emotional and then I quickly repented to Allah. Alhamdulillah. But still the doubts didn't go away. When I prayed, I would think "If God doesn't exist, then aren't you just wasting your time and energy." Interestingly, these doubts only came when I was doing something good like praying or studying, when I was watching movies or playing video games, I could focus on doing that very well. This may have not proven God, but it may have proven shaytan. Subhanallah. These doubts were a big problem. Recently, I have decided that I will allow myself to doubt everything except for one thing, this really helped me in focusing in salah, and it is لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله There is none worthy of worship except God (Allah) and Muhammad is the messenger of God.
Btw, sorry for bad english.
I went to one of the top universities of the US and lost my faith and became a strong agnostic. Spent a decade and came back to islam. I think You can dismiss you doubts in many ways. Believing in Allah and islam is a no brainer. Being an atheist is falsehood and misery. I think they key to finding faith is to Turn to Allah asking for forgiveness and guidance.
Finding God: Experiment or Multiplayer Game? Something to think about for Agnostics from a Long term Agnostic
I was a disbeliever in God and any religion for most of my adult life. I went through a decade long journey to find what I now know is the truth. The standard of proof that I had when I started my journey, remained the same. At the start of my journey I thought that even if I found evidence of God, I would perhaps have faith to an extent that I would be able to say, I think it likely God exist. I was convinced that there could be no certitude of faith. I do not believe any of my standards of proof have changed, though I now am sure there is such a thing as certainty of faith in God.
Think about the following.
People do not go out of their way to help people not up to a basic criteria. If someone does not come up to your standards, you will not help him in certain things. You perhaps may not want to help a murderer buy a Gun. Those standards do not have to be very high. Point is if you go apply for a job saying I am the brightest of the brightest Harvard has to offer, and you my interviewer are a moron, then expecting a job offer may not be likely. Alternatively if you are a multiple murderer and a MIT 5.0 GPA grad and go apply for a Job, and say I am the best technical person you are going to find hire me, its is again likely that you will get rejected.
I am convinced it’s exactly the same story with finding proof of God/religion. Reason can lead you to proof of God only if God wants you to get there. God has with held certain key factors with himself so that with all your data you will not analyze it in a way to prove his existence to yourself. This I believe is a key way for him giving proof to whom he chooses and withhold proof from who he chooses. What makes him decide who to lead to the right way, that is for you to discover. I believe factors like arrogance, not caring about the truth, not searching for the truth without biases, forcing your own standards on God are perhaps some of the reasons for which God withholds proof. God, I believe, handicaps people for their circumstances.
An Al Mighty holds all the cards If there is a God, It is obvious that God has not provided the understanding of proof of his existence to all people. People do genuinely disbelieve in his existence. Similarly not all people who believe in God, believe in the same religion, this again means that God has not provided the understanding of proof of the true religion to all people.
For an agnostic searching for the truth, whatever it may be. If he uses reason to want to disprove God, God may very likely withhold the proofs from that person. If the person is unbiased, then that person should try to see that if there is a God, what standards should I try to meet which will make God give me proof. This is a key mistake I see too many people make i.e. they do not think of the search as a multiplayer game rather a simple data collection experiment.
A number of people of Belief, believe they have proof based on reason and through reason they have achieved faith, they could be right, but I think just as crucial is the factor whether they have achieved that basic standard.
Agnosticism can be a good start. It provides a starting place to find the truth. If you remain completely in blind faith you could be on the wrong path and have no hope of finding the truth. But to use reason alone and not factor in the fact that to get the job its not only your qualifications but also if you fit the Employers standard, can lead you into serious trouble. If by chance you meet this standard, you get hired if you don’t well then..
What this means for an Agnostic.
Remain true to your standards, seek the truth aggressively, and make finding the truth a top priority in your life. If God exists, I believe, he will appreciate you making an unbiased search for the truth. You make finding God without any biases a top priority and he may well make you a priority. I am convinced he will not hold any genuine doubts you have. If God chooses he will give you sufficient proof.
Do not cop out and accept a religion based on blind faith. Hold on until you have enough proof before committing to a religion. Keep you genuine doubts and expect answers.
Try to be unbiased in your opinion about Gods existence. If you do not want him to exist, he will likely convince you of it.
Use creative prayers like the following “ God, I do not know you exist, I only want the truth whether I like it or dislike it, if you are there help me find the truth.”
Remember that if there is a God, then he has clearly not given proof to all people, try to improve yourself and try to figure out what standards God may use to give proof.
Study religion without bias
Ask Forgiveness of God of whatever you may have done wrong.
Keep asking for guidance.
Keep your likes and dislikes out of the search for truth. What you like does not make it true and what you dislike does not make it false. This is a key factor in moving a person away from the truth.
I believe proofs of God and religion is individualized. You may be given proof different from what other people are given. If you come up to Gods criteria, the proof I believe will be enough to give you certitude of faith.
Summary
Most of what I wrote above was something I wrote about a decade and a half ago.
In a nutshell my updated understanding of that criteria is simply keep asking whoever created the universe to forgive you and guide you with humility. You must keep your likes and dislike out of it and be willing to accept the creator on his terms and his likes and dislikes. If you persist and keep turning to the creator you will be guided. He has to show you convincing proof if he really expect you to believe and I know he does. Him expecting blind faith is him asking you to just gamble which is not going to lead you to the truth.
Irrespective if my criteria is accurate or not. You need to find the criteria whatever it may be. You can treat my criteria as a falsification test.
This is a starting point for those agnostic about religion.
Supposing you only know there is there is some God (since you have figured out that part) and no other information about who or what he is
Thus you are with no information of which God may be the true god.
Consider the Following Statements.
If I say Worship A who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
If I say Worship B who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
if I say Worship John, the man who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
if I say Worship the Sun, the Star who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
However if I say Worship the creator the universe, who is the true God. That is a true statement! Since you are specifying God as he who created the universe and not a particular object person.
That is the true God and to worship him is the true religion.
God is specified exactly this way in the Quran including Surah Kahf.
Point is Muhammad SWAS came and basically told us to worship that God. Look the the mulsim prayers and duas, they apply on the creator of the universe. If you mean Allah to mean the creator, then Subhan Allah (Allah is perfect), Alhamdolillah (All praise if for Allah), Allah o Akbar (Allah is the greatest), La ilaha illalah (The is no God but Allah), La huwal walquwata illah billah (There is no power but with Allah). Surah Fatheha. You list them, they are all completely valid prayers for the creator.
(Say: "Verily, Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides unto Himself those who turn to Him in repentance.'') meaning, He guides to Him those who repent, turn to Him, beg Him, seek His help and humbly submit to Him [Tafsir Ibn Kathir)
Reflect on the following hadith the guidance part:
On the authority of Abu Dharr al-Ghifaree (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) from his Lord, that He said: O My servants! I have forbidden dhulm (oppression) for Myself, and I have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another. O My servants, all of you are astray except those whom I have guided, so seek guidance from Me and I shall guide you. O My servants, all of you are hungry except those whom I have fed, so seek food from Me and I shall feed you. O My servants, all of you are naked except those whom I have clothed, so seek clothing from Me and I shall clothe you. O My servants, you commit sins by day and by night, and I forgive all sins, so seek forgiveness from Me and I shall forgive you. O My servants, you will not attain harming Me so as to harm Me, and you will not attain benefiting Me so as to benefit Me. O My servants, if the first of you and the last of you, and the humans of you and the jinn of you, were all as pious as the most pious heart of any individual amongst you, then this would not increase My Kingdom an iota. O My servants, if the first of you and the last of you, and the humans of you and the jinn of you, were all as wicked as the most wicked heart of any individual amongst you, then this would not decrease My Kingdom an iota. O My servants, if the first of you and the last of you, and the humans of you and the jinn of you, were all to stand together in one place and ask of Me, and I were to give everyone what he requested, then that would not decrease what I Possess, except what is decreased of the ocean when a needle is dipped into it. O My servants, it is but your deeds that I account for you, and then recompense you for. So he who finds good, let him praise Allah, and he who finds other than that, let him blame no one but himself. [Muslim]
@@osmanniazi7888 I understand a gist of what you are saying, I myself since my childhood have tried to gain Ilm with humility and sincerity, Alhamdulillah. I know that with my current knowledge, I can't prove that God exists, even to myself let alone others. But I still choose to believe in God with certainty, Alhamdulillah. I look at practical aspects of my belief in God, I know it is in my best interest to follow Islam. I have myself sort of experienced nihilism since the covid era. Even if Islam isn't true, I don't think that i will ever be convinced that it is the case, but still even then, Islam has provided many strong and successful men with peace and content, SubhanAllah. I believe that either Islam is the truth or i am completely ignorant of the universe, other faiths have never even come close to convince me of their truth. If Islam is the truth, then I believe in it anyways, Alhamdulillah. As for knowledge, I have decided to put effort and study the material world, at the same time i want to become a doctor, Inshallah. I want to do dawah after i have the proof (for me at least) that Islam is 100% truth, Inshallah.
Absolutely astonishing, an esoteric topic but of course if it has Shakul Islam’s contribution you know it will be stimulating 👌
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Ibn Taymiyyah may have detractors but one cannot deny he had deep love for the Sunnah of our Prophet and following the way of the salaf and fought in the path of Allah against the Mongols whereas other scholars were palace lap dogs not condemning political sectarianism and factionalism during the crusader period/Mongol and busy in inter Sunni polemics. Ibn Taymiyyah instead worried about the common man and women.
There were many other scholars who weren't lap dogs. May Allah SWT reward all of our righteous scholars from the past. I believe Muslim should refrain from the catty commentaries they make about prominent scholars of the past who they disagree with (to be frank, I don't think most of them even comprehend the full works of those scholars anyway) because as their honour is a right upon is and they are the giants who's shoulders we stand on
Ibn taymiyyah was divider in chief of Muslim ummah and that's enough for him to rot in deepest of hell. And still his followers are doing but more ferociously like destruction of countries like Iraq Syria Somalia Yemen Libya and eventually after destruction this sunni countries fell into Iran shia influence. And you shamelessly ideologies the deviant.
Subhanallah
Thank you very much Paul, and as I've done in the previous video, this is a little advertisement to my channel for any who wants to learn Arabic, I have the Saladin Cartoon Subtitled with tashkil, dual subtitles and romanized script
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Another very interesting, stimulating talk. Thank you. It seems that Islam tends to rely on belief as the natural (default) human condition. Nonbelief being a corruption of the natural state.
Another method would be that a person starts out as neither a believer nor as a nonbeliever, but as someone with a completely open mind while seeking their answer to the important question; is there a divine being or force?
Perhaps they come to their truth through calculation, through revelation, through an emotional need or through some other process. In any event, through a process.
For a rational person that would involve proof. Here in the United States, finding of fact often involves analysis by a preponderance of evidence. That is that one conclusion is more likely than another conclusion. Another is using a standard of clear and convincing evidence. And a third, most strict, by a conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt.
As an aside, another type of analysis would be interesting. Is Hindu belief truer than Islamic belief? Is Buddhist belief better than Islamic belief? Certainly, the questions of Christianity vs, Ilam has been covered here many times over.
Allahuakbar, incredible. atheism and skeptics found dead in a ditch!! May Allah reward sh nazir for his enlightening contributions
How do answer Kant through this epistemology?
Try to benefit from Dr. Abdullah Al-Ujairi. He has some books on atheism and is a good reader of Ibn Taymiyyah
32:50 The atheists have a rough time when you ask them this and I got it from an older video of yours, thank you brother Paul.
Sure, it's a reasonable question, but there's also a reasonable answer: I honestly don't know what would convince me of Allah, Jesus or Zeus, but a God would know what would be convincing to each individual.
Dr. Nazir Khan destroys atheism with irrefutable logic. Great video
I don't think so. He certainly did a good job preaching to the choir.
I enjoyed listening to this talk.
Allahu ekber
what changes from the beginning the middle and the end of all three books that proves the truth what religion is your religion based on
The only thing i disagree with the video, is that it has to end! I refuse to believe that!
I tried contacting Dr. Nazir Khan via email, i have questions regarding an article he wrote regarding the topic shakk.
Is there anyone who can help me reaching him?
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Amazing lecture on the lack of foundations of #atheism
I think that's a category error. Many "disbelievers" are simply not convinced of the claims of a God (Agnostic). There's no "foundation" any more than the layperson's "foundation" against String Theory.
Me: I wanna live while doubting everything.
Everybody: what a stupid idea, are you dumb?
Some philosopher: I wanna live while doubting everything
Everybody: wow that's so deep, can i be your disciple...
if only these sisters from yemen did something useful instead of begging on every muslim channel. i am joking, i know they are bots.
The point isn’t if God exists on not, the point is why God needs us to have a religion ? I think that God doesn’t worry for human been or any kind of life because God is in everything, so why God needs us to believe ?
God does not need us to believe. We need Him, not the otherway around. We would not even exist if not for Him. Accepting that is part of being grateful.
The condition of the human beign is like a tree that refuses to work as intended, or a lion that wants to eat fruit. Difference is they cannot choose. We can choose: to obey the designer or reject Him. And that is our test. Because we can reason, and through that we reach the creator.
Accepting that all that exists has a clear purpose, design and goal. Nothing usless exists. Humans are not the exception.
The perfect full/total solar eclipse is evidence/proof for the existence of a being capable of arranging solar systems.
A 'simulation or dream illusion IS "REAL".. A false illusion of an existence IS THE REALity for those participants in the simulation who can't escape.
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If God only had the power to speak he would say, don't worship me.
Assalamualaikum hey it's meta.... I'm Muslim from Indonesia aceh.... Alhamdulillah I was born in Islam and I will perish in islam although my circumstances accuse me of non muslim... Huhuhu 😅😢 but it's ok.... I try to survive alone...
I have question Dr, why israely used Satanis symbol for their Flag?? 🇮🇱
Please for the love of our eyes, REFRAIN FROM THE WHITE BACKGROUND SLIDES 😭
A warm color that works for day time and the night owls. Because rn my eyes are BLEEDING. Please, Paul help us out here 😅
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We are very bad with theses explanations, out of arabic language. God doesn't exist, and who claims it he doesn't understand Islam believes. Allah is al Qayyum, He makes that His creations Exist. Allah is not an object dwelling somewhere and sometime. I really reject philosophers in matter of God's words, borrowing from greek and christians. Allah is ACTING, He is Verb, infinitive. So, to translate Islam creed in mathematical equation through philosophy and translations, without knowing deeply arabic, can lead only in deep misconceptions of God's words. Another example, Ummah and Iman share 90% of their meaning. Iman never meant Faith, which is an english christian concept, not arabic.
what was the key in gods plan if i know and you dont you must leave your false religion