Blogging Theology Philosophy Special with Shaykh Hasan Spiker
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
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I discovered Dr Hassan few days ago as he joined Zaytuna. I was mind-blowed by the deepness and authenticity of his islamic mastering of theology and metaphysic. He seem to be a sign of a new generations of mulim scholars who have being inspired by the older generation of western islamic scholars and are now taken the flags on to start the authentic renewal of islamic taught based on a a true sanad that will put the grounds for muslims of the future to fully dominate modernity intellectualy. May Allah bless him and open him all the doors he need to continue this project to it's achievement!
Unfortunately sidi Hasan Spiker's definition of Nafs al-Amr falls for the classic error of circular reasoning (a logical fallacy). This is one of the reasons why many scholars did not accept such a definition. It also makes it difficult, if not impossible, to argue against atheists and agnostics, some of the key traits of modernity.
@@abduhm8104 would you care to elaborate?
Salam. It looks like Sheikh Hasan Spiker did not get to deliver the whole presentation like he planned. Please bring him back to get the full presentation. Thank you for a great channel with great discussions.
Shaykh sounds like a 1940's British broadcaster so l was surprised when l saw how young he looked! Matching shirts too! Mashallah. Jazakhamullahu khair
THIS IS ANOTHER LEVEL!! BY FAR the best most intellectually interesting video on YT. Well done Paul and Dr Spiker needs to be a regular on here, along with Dr Ataie. Zaytuna has scored a massive brain with the good Dr.Spiker
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Salam from Penang, Paul. This is great.....
Wa alaykumu s-salam
Book purchased, thank you Paul for introducing me to Sh. Spiker. As a PhD in Analytic Philosophy, I’ve been looking for just this type of book. Really looking forward to learning about these schools of thought from an expert.
Great video! Hasan Spiker is a brilliant man, glad that he's joined Zaytuna college!
So what the hell was he on about?
Couldn't agree more!
@@SecularKoranism He was discussing philosophy and metaphysics Claire
@@merlinx8703 What was his point though?
@@SecularKoranism His point was we shouldn't be duped by the shaky underpinnings of current western thought, the new colonial weapon. It is a narrative that is fundamentally routed in the rejection of the divine in a way idiosyncratic to western history. It has no relevance for humanity and certainly not believers, and is ultimately self-destructive.
Genuinely paul your content is phenomenal...wish more and more people watch your channel ❤️
I thought brother Paul was the most English you could get, but then Hasan proved me wrong! I really enjoyed the English humour back and forth haha!
Congratulations for bringing such talent to your channel.. I would going to buying his work. Pls invite him again to complete the conversation about his books 📕.
Thank you for inviting Hasan Spiker onto your channel. I have learnt a lot
This is one super amazing video. Honestly there is no other RUclips video I've have seen which on the surface under-promises but in substance way way over-delivers. Just incredible top-quality priceless discourse.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This lecture was next level!
So what was he saying?
@@SecularKoranism he said I should watch the Netflix movie Farha…
Alhamdulilah. Great to see Hasan Spiker. Hope his works get more and more exposure and Allah raises up more scholars to resuscitate the hidden jewels in our interlectual and spiritual heritage.
I wish this video could have gone on! It seemed to have ended just as it was really getting some serious momentum.
Heavy-duty and heartening at the same time. Thank you both. On cloud nine…
Masha-Allah brother Paul you've truly enjoyed this conversation because you both related a lot within the topic 😂😂😂👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Sheikh Hasan Spiker is an ocean of knowledge, this is gonna be a good one
Did you understand what he was blathering on about?
He wasn't blathering at all. It's true it's pretty high level and you need some background knowledge to keep up however. A basic summation: the philosophical impasse in Western philosophy is in how to respond to Kant (his claim is that you cannot know things as they truly are; only empirical truths (inter-subjective) are not subjective) and this has to led to progressive ideologies like feminism/LGBT (and others) forwarded by the likes of Judith Butler because of their belief that one's subjective will dictates reality. Watch the whole video to see his explanation.
@@lpbszn2957 So he was saying the moral relativism of liberalism is untenable?
He wasn't necessarily making that case but it is an entailment of his view
@@lpbszn2957 Aren't I clever for saying in a sentence what he was trying to say in two hours!
Man I would pay for these slides
Eagerly awaiting the continuation of this presentation. The two of you in conversation helped make some fairly complex material very comprehensible. I particularly look forward to getting into the specific arguments he has for his ontology.
Jazakhallah khayr Paul. May Allah SWT be with you and us amin.
Brilliant video, covers a series of subjects which are absolutely critical in understanding our contemporary world.
Brilliant discussion. I hope we have a sequel. Amazing that Allah uses whom He wills as His champion as you Paul are, May Allah protect you and keep you strong.
Excellent lecture, Thank you!
The plaid shirts made you two look like twins 😊😊
Probably my favorite video in the channel. Bookmarked to watch it again. The uninitiated might not realize how much studying went into acquiring this level of knowledge and understanding of Kalam
I went ahead and bought the book (Things as they really are, Nafs al-Amr) and I feel I found a treasure I cannot grasp yet. Highly recommend if you want to learn more about Kalām
Salam Paul. Brilliant guest and great discussion!
You mentioned the occult in passing. I wonder if you are familiar with David Livingstone's work - Ordo ab Chao. It would be interesting to have him on your channel.
Just found the blog and leaned about Seikh Spiker. Loved the talk . Looking forward to read the books insha’Allah
The foundational science within Islam is so rich this was established hundreds of years ago. The West should be humble enough to accept the panacea to some of the contemporary issues can be found if they search hard enough.
Can we have Part 2 of this just to continue from the Akbarian era and how this further develops.
A gem of a talk, thank you!
We need a follow up to this please. Perhaps serialise it, because we already know that we can’t cover whatever will be discussed in a single episode.
Loved it Peace and Blessings
Thanks Paul bro for this
بارك الله فيكم...
اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين..
اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم..
رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين...
لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين.......
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The first few slides had my head spinning.
great talk.. .discussing fundamental issues
Please bring him back to introduce his new books.
Awesome!
My word great stuff. Fascinating.
It's a shame you are slowing your output because I am sure I am not the only one who is yearning for more
Another Zaytuna Gem !
By their fruits ……….
This should have 100k views ❤ just joking, but thanks to this channel we can listen to such beautiful presentations. Thanks again Paul.
It’s a real thought provoking presentation but if possible can u please summarise it in the form of transcript as some points discussed here are quite difficult to decipher I will be greatful.
Finally, a truly mature & grounded, intellectually honest discussion in the domain of the Abrahamic faiths. Congratulations to both Paul & Hasan for showing the rest of us a way of conducting mutually respectful dialogues without resorting to any exclusivist assertions of absolute truth. We exist in the realm of the relative & as every single thought of ours is mediated thereby, the absolute is beyond all conception, much less apprehension. We humans spend too much time arguing & asserting, too little time contemplating, reflecting & meditating. The wisest peoples of yore recognised the superior validity of & thus began from the starting point of religious EXPERIENCE, not any form of dialectics. The prophets became so by way of direct spiritual experience, not by any scholarly erudition.
With regards to the subject matter discussed in this video, it seems quite natural to me, that as the world & dominion thereof evolves further & further into a "might is right" circumstance, so would the evolution, crystallisation & prevalence of the scientific method as the means by which truth is sought & thereafter ascertained evolve correspondingly. When the master of the hard sciences like physics & the purveyor of the greatest technological instruments demonstrates its ability to drop an atomic bomb & obliterate very life as we know it, he/she/it, for all practical purposes, implicitly and/or explicitly becomes the arbiter of truth in our lived experience, doesn't it?
I would humbly request both of these eloquent, well read & intelligent speakers to study the history & philosophies of the East, particularly the Shramana & Yoga movements in the Indian Subcontinent before the advent of gunpowder & the invasions of Western and/or Greco-Roman empires of any Abrahamic faith denomination(s), as well as the phenomenological appearance of the barbaric all-destructive mongol hordes.
There was a splendid maturation of the life of the mind, of faith & devotion, as well as an aesthetically beautiful, logically sound & highly ethical ontology which harmoniously balanced the spiritual liberty of the individual whilst retaining the practical communalism required to sustain the particular type of civilisational society needed to form the foundational living conditions from which the possibility of real individual spiritual progress could thus have hoped to proceed, ie. the fertile bedrock upon which the metaphysical potentialities & ultimate purpose of the human being could freely & exhaustively have been explored without resulting in the theological & creedal clashes that hampered these very efforts toward a similar maturation in the Western Europe of the Middle Ages referenced in this discussion.
Reflective of life & Reality as we are intimated toward by the prophets of history who all bore the consistent message of Oneness, this was, apparently, a civilisational wide manifestation of Unity in (apparent) diversity through a shared lived human experience, not only spiritually and by extension socioculturally, but even politically and economically. A Golden Age, so to speak.
I am excited & thoroughly thrilled at the prospect of hearing both your esteemed opinions of that society if you both God willing, may find the time & scholarly inclination to do so :))
Thank you so much for this terrific presentation! Would you be so good as to provide the link for your 'debate' with Rowan Williams please? Really appreciate the phenomenal work you do!
did you find it?
For a second I thought it was Hasan Piker not Spiker and I was like what's going on Brother Paul
Salam and thank you Paul for this illuminating session. The bit about the precedence of will and freedom leading to some sort of Western cultural suicide was intriguing. We’re seeing this play out with the environment as well where the will and freedom to do whatever you want is destroying the planet.
Yo for a second there I really thought you got Hasan Piker 😂😂😂
Can you imagine?
That twitch murtad?
Pls not even as a joke
Hasan spiker is like leagues 10 life's smarter than him
This is so interesting!! In fact I found it so engaging that I decided to forgo watching Osman and watch this instead... Sorry Burak Özçivit! 😅
my brain started cracking while listening to this lecture
Sir Paul, may Allah almighty preserve you, grant a long, healthy, and abundant life. And may Allah grant you the highest place in paradise. But I must tell/remind you that our last breath could be at any time! I'm telling this because you are doing a marvellous job here at YT and at X. You must have students for continuing the amazing work that you have done so far. Again, may Allah protect you. Please do forgive me for anything that came across offensive. It was unintended!
alhamdulillah
Thanks You Bro 😘Poulwillim ❤️
Welcome 😊
"Cutting Edge of Genders Fluidity Theory, really leading the way there.." Not sure if it was genuine praise or sarcasm. But it got me going.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
same - i was laughing out loud - i picked up on the subtle sarcasm!
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Can you explain it please? 😅
Aoa please do more with jonathan brown (on slavery perhaps!!)
We are waiting for hamza yousaf. From Pakistan🇵🇰
He said in a post that it will happen in the first quarter of 2023
Who is that
@@ozone2126 #1 English speaking preacher of Islam. His insights to Islam are brilliant
@@thenotoriousm0e852 ooohhh that hamza yeeaa I use to watch him a lot also what to you mean number 1? Do you mean in knowledge? If so then you need to check out my guy shaykh uthman, in English world I think there’s no one better
@@ozone2126 neither Shaykh Uthman nor Shaykh Hamza have the most knowledge. With number one I meant the most popular and known preacher and scholar simce he's been popular since the early 90s
MashaAllah
Could Dr Spiker make his slides public?
Assalamualaikum. Any chance we can have the slides? Will be extremely grateful.
Jzk khair
Where can i watch the debate br paul had at cambridge that the shaykh mentioned? Trying to find it
did you find it?
Hasan Spiker > Hasan Piker
Who is hasan piker? 😅
@@abduallahamin2001 an agonistic, communist turk. He is the nephew of Cenk Uyghur. Cenk is an atheist apostate who runs the progressive news organization The Young Turks
Bruh that's like comparing a donkey to Plato
Hey Paul, did we just move from Algebra II trig to Differential Calculas 😳 ???
Sat Chit Ananda, Shivo Hum.
Truth, Consciousness, Bliss.
Surrendered to God Almighty.
Sequence vs hierarchy.
The awkwardness of the jokes are super fun
Would I permissible to get the access to the full presentation file?
Purpose is not found in the physica but in the metaphysica, thus, if we deal with purpose in our lives we should deal with philosophy aka metaphysics.
1:1:00
My head hurts
Brother Paul, come to Pakistan please 🥺
❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹🌹
Dr. Butler has used feminine she pronouns, although they prefer to be referred to as they. Which is good for them, because that's the line I draw for how far I'm willing to cater my language to someone's preferences... Of course, when I say they I mean she, but "they" in reference to the gender of an unknown person at least has precedent in the language. I'm not going to use Xe or Latinx or any other ambiguous constructs. Latino is used for both masculine and neutral. The last thing the Latin people need are more crosses.
16:12 same book, same shirt
He looks / sounds like the muslim version of Tom Hardy. That's a compliment I think 🎩😆
We need translation to arabic
Lol thought this said hasan piker
Does the age of the concept of God prove the validity of the concept?
Natural=instinctive+primitive. If the concept of deity is both old enough to be instinctive AND primitive, then we can safely assume that human experience and thought will instinctively, naturally so, come up with metaphysical concepts surrounding deity and that he will have true or false experiences while communicating these concepts.
Either we invented it or came up with it/discovered it. Certainly we have used it as a "give me your wife or I'll bring my older brother" argument, but was that the first use of the concept? Can we prove it?
Is the concept a result of our parents' watchful eyes and the experience of the thunder and our fear with it?
Just some thoughts...
I think you totally missed the basoc underlyng point of this video you are putting the cart before the horse and exemplify exactly the kantian disease
. I am therefore i think...not the other way around.. or as the good book tells us i am that iam..... That i am that i am... ad infinitum.
@@As-fs6qd ok if tomatoes are red, red is still the color of those tomatoes. Inverting the (sequence of) words does not diminish the meaning behind it.
. The iam (god) is not a predicate.. Therefore kants statement does not make sense whereas switching the subject and predicate does.. . . . This whole video(and pretty much every tradiional religous critique of kant as well as philiophical disciplines such as hursells phenomenology ) are precisely, abt pointing out how this asertion inverts the place of primary and secondary and thus creates a dualism from which the western and increasingly rest of the world is suffering. The mind can never over come the mind .. You just go round and round in the world of samsara....you cannot demand things reveal themselves to you. The more you do the more they retreat...threy can reveal themselves when u show himility towards the iam. Both philosoohicaly and experientaly.. . Hence divine revelation or kashf in islam. .. 'Be still and know i am the lord.'
@@As-fs6qd ok... I'm trying to grasp what you are saying but still don't see such a huge issue. I still think because I exist and thus it means that if I think, then it follows that the previous step is true as well. I know it may sound confusing but for example if I buy a can of coke, it means it was produced in a factory because it can't be any other way. Plus, God DOES "exist", so it follows that if I do, then it means the reason is that God made me. So then since I exist I also think.
Personally since childhood I used to disassemble power ranger action figures and reassemble them, so I understand the practical and educational value of reverse engineering or looking at things backwards. I don't see "use of force" or "something forced" in that neither do I see an in reality non-existent duality. I see duality in reality, I don't need to interpret that different and be thus critical of my own experience, not to claim that God also is bound by any sense of duality (as God is One).
Somehow what you said made.me think of salafists who divide tawheed into rububiyyah and uluhiyyah while I have never seen any clearcut evidence the salaf had explicitly done so and that would have been their methodology as that would mean that the kufar of Arabia or Mecca would have been partial muwahidoon which is nonsense. Is there some sort of connection perhaps? I can understand why as interpretation it could resonate with people giving them some kind of way to distinguish certain things, and the end conclusion of putting into question whether Allah is WORTHY of worship, as if they are the deciders over Allah and Allah is literally an "object" of worship, and not a The personal God. Because God is living and personal. Not dividable in worthiness and reality.
So, for example, if God "IS", then it naturally follows that God is worthy of His worship and nothing else is. But then again there is no other deity. And that's what the shahadah says and what salafists make of it is "there are other deities as well, objectively speaking, only they are not partners of Allah and worthy of worship, and SE we only recognize the worthiness of worship of The God, Allah, but not of the other existing gods". That literally is shirk. Salafists utter shirk with their expression of the shahadah when translated. How do they do that?
Anyway hope there is some connection, might make this conversation the more interesting.
Thanks for trying to point me to a direction :) peace.
Hasan Piker?😂
Can you imagine?
For the first 14 minutes, he is beating around the bush, around only ONE POINT: truth, morality is defined by MY will.
“Copelican”
It should be Copernican
1:45:53 --- Here you go again! Intersex exists, whether you like it or not! Why don't you consult the experts before you make that statement?!
But Islamic law has known about and legislated for intersex for over a thousand years ! How is the existence of intersex a defeater for anything that Paul is saying ? In fact it is the exception that proves the rule, because it is a 0.5 percent of the population blend of x and Y chromosomes which in 99 of the population are distinctly male or female. The polemic is against transgenderism as a fashionable manifestation of a degraded postmodern philosophy not about intersex which affects 0.5 percent of the population of the world and is usually resolved at birth.
Intersex is a mix of male and female, so it still exists within the binary. It doesn't make sense to get rid of the categories of male and female entirely when they work for the vast majority of people. Vanilla and chocolate ice cream will still exist as separate categories, even if someone chooses to mix the two. Besides, Islamic law accommodates for the existence of intersex people, it doesn't ignore them.
I really is a bummer that Hasan Spiker is one letter away from Hasan Piker, the worst of the worst of the internet lol.
Be careful Paul. Our scholars warned against philosophy. I didn't watch the video but I'm leaving this comment.
bro even IBN TAYMIYYAH DID PHILOSOPHY - hence why PRAISING Ghazali FOR going after the Kufr aspects of Sina and Farabi and their deviant philosophy and PROPERLY DEMOLISHED it at thair
own game (hence why he is not only a past LION of this Ummah but a genius…. because philosophy takes years to study) - hence why Ghazalli took 2 years to study Philosophy, and a whole year after that JUST TI PONDER ON IT …. and boom , came the Tahafut was born
philosophy “alone” is not BAD….. people need to understand the Kufr that can be within it and misguide others and the praiseworthy aspects of philosophy
@@mmss3199 if you don't consider Imam Shafi and the rest your scholars then your scholars are most likely deviants
@@TheWorldStageGeopolitics they learned philosophy to refute it. Not to use it for themselves.
philosophy isn't "dangerous" as long as you know and study Islam and have a strong Iman. Islam at the end of the day is the Ultimate Truth.
There is valid differences amongst earliest Muslims on it's usefulness.
Speculative philosophy led Muslims no where. It was an evolutionary dead end. Ibn Arabi had no idea of how vision works which mislead him about speculating about the veils that prevent the visualization of God
The irony is, that is exactly the reason Islamic golden age was stunned and technology regressed as it was thought to "leads nowhere" (spiritually and in the hereafter).
Not saying its wrong.. but is what it is... We can't have both i guess...
Qabd and bast.. Expansion and contraction .. Its the natural flow of life..the mizan is thus established... Within and between cultures..
Maa Shaa Allah Tabaaraka Allah, thank you very much brother Paul for always giving us extraordinary contents and having such astonishingly brilliant, knowledgeable, and wise individuals in your videos! May Allah SWT grant all of you great success in this world and the hereafter, Ameen🤍
Alhamdulillah
I am very much interested in Islam and thinking about becoming Muslim.
However, I want to ask you guys - how do you deal with the objective and undeniable scientific errors in Quran? Because those errors means Allah didn’t know what he was talking about - but it just can’t be if he’s an almighty God.
How do you cope with that?
P.S. please don’t tell me there is no mistakes in Quran.
Are you grounded in the Arabic language of the Qur'an..?
@@SAM_KBI I've read translations in English and in Russian (pretty much all of them) and they all give the same translation of problematic verses in Quran.
Moreover, I have a good Lebanese friend who speaks Arabic and he confirms those translations are correct.
So please excuse me from this "translation is wrong" argument since it's clearly invalid.
@@igorverevkin7709
I noticed your direct and absolute firmness about your claim that the Qur'an contains scientific error according to you. This attitude alone is problematic.
Also acting like science is the absolute and objective norm while it's fluid is also problematic. I asked you about being grounded in the Arabic language of the Qur'an not if your Lebanon friend speaks modern Arabic. We have millions of Arab Christians which cannot exegete the Qur'an based just on their Arabic.
But it seems you're already made your mind up.
@@Dave_L
You make big claims for a pathetic ignorant biggot..
A full cup can't except anymore. First empty yourself of your ego. Don't be disingenuous, you made claims about the Qur'an so where is your evidence. You made implicit assumption about the Qur'an. Imagine I ask you when did you stop beating your wife?. Then I followed it, don't give me excuses about why you did it. I'm very much interested in the safety of your wife.
The Martin Luther of islam but for advanced stage shahrour.org/wp-content/gallery/Books/booke.pdf
None such thing. There is no pope , church or priesthood in Islam. Hence no Reformation or Martin Luther. False analogy
@@saliksayyar9793 Ok then on Inherited jurisprudence
Mullā Nizāmuddīn, the namesake for the Dars-i-Nizāmī curriculum, was the son of the esteemed scholar Mullā Qutbuddīn al-Shahīd. Mulla Qutbuddīn is considered the ‘head bequeather’ of the Farangi Mahall family, with most scholarly lineages in India ultimately tracing back to him.
Mulla Qutbuddīn is an inheritor of the Shirazi tradition with the likes of Allama Fath Allah Shirazi in his chain of teachers.
The contribution of the Farangi Mahalli’s in the science of Arabic Philosophy deserves alot research for those dedicated to the rational sciences of the muslim world.