Before anyone says it, I KNOW... 1HR 25MINS!!! But this is the MASSIVE review where we review and test EVERYTHING on the #Synology DS923+ NAS. If you are looking for a shorter version of this review that ONLY covers the Pros and the Cons, you can find my shorter 'DS923+ Before You Buy Video here - The Synology DS923+ NAS - Should You Buy? ruclips.net/video/GjALhE3TtyY/видео.html Thanks for watching and have a lovely week!
I have purchased the DS923+. The following items do work fine. 4EA Seagate Exos 7E8 4th (ST4000NM0035) and NEMIX 16GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300 SODIMM (D4ESO-2666-16G). No warning and working great.
imo one of (by far) biggest issues you have not mentioned is the power consumption. 4x times more than the 920+? Holy!! That is unacceptable in these energy crises times...
Starting with 3x12TB plus the 2x8 I already have. Then I can just pull them out and expand if needed. Dedicate 8TB to plex. Adding an old m.2 1TB Drive and 10Gb card but only 2.5Gb for now.
Hey guys! Can you help me with a recommendation for a 4k streaming/decoding NAS and some general phone/computer back up please? I just bought the DS224+, which I will returning now. Had my sights set on the DS923+, then debated with DS1522+, DS423, and now I’m looking at the QNAP TS-453E-8G-US. Any suggestions. Honestly, idk if I need to decode. I just keep hearing they. But I do have an eye and ear for 4k and quality audio. So I’d like to keep that.
So with last update DSM we can use m.2 SSD not only like cash for HDD. Maybe my question is not correct: can i setup Synology DiskStation Manager (DSM) to ds923+ ssd m.2? I mean like in standart pc we have fast system drive with operating system (in this case i think it is m.2 ssd) and we have slow HDD for multimedia and other data.
I had to downvote, because you gave 10/10 for non 2.5GBe NAS. There is completely no justification other than greed. -2 for lack of 2.5GBe -1 for "compatibility list" -1 for prices Solid 6/10
Don't forget about the USB Gen 1, lower AMD CPU and no standard PCIE. Agree I see this has a HUGE money grab, they expect the user base to just take it and smile imho. I'm done with them. 6/10 because the OS is really polished seems fair to me... Party with hardware like 2019!
I have a synology RS3614xs+ NAS connected via iscsi to a Windows Server running Veeam for backups. The synology NAS is raid 6. The synology NAS is showing used space 29.8 TB / 33.4 TB 89% used space. The windows veeam server is showing 12.3 TB / 27.3 TB used space. Why the discrepancy ?
Can you connect the eSATA to a Mac or PC as "DAS" direct or is it only for expansion? If so that sucks because 1Gbe is slow for photography. 10Gbe not available on a customer PC.
Wached quite plenty of your informative videos but as a amateur first time user only in an internal home network enviroment i still don't know if the 923+ will be able to stream a own recorded 4k 60fps video to my sony oled x90j without buffering. My TV is connected by 1gbit lan. I don't want the NAS to be connected at all to the Web itself. Basically an storage and backup for private photos and videos and ability to drop it within my home to my tv... will it do the job? Thanks
A few questions I might have missed: The NVMe slots only works with Synology SSDs? 10GbE card also compatible with 5 and 2,5GbE? If using 10GbE and NVMe storage pool is faster than with raid disks? Also, I have a few old WD30EFRXnot on the compatibility list, can they be ok to use in DS923+? Sorry for my basic questions and thank you for a very detailed review.
Pretty sure that the NVMe slots will take most SSDs, I've used non-Synology NVMe drives in my current Synology NAS (DS918+) and have had zero problems.
@@lowesmed5681 I think synology would really be in pain if they limited only synology nvme for storage pool. As said in the video, Synology have tested their own drives on the slots and bays, so that describes their 'ideal' setup. But we all use a lot of different drives in our NAS units so they'd be really shooting them self in the foot it they restricted this in some way.
I'm confused as to why the DS1522+ in raid 5 configuration showed ATTO at around peak write 371MB and peak read 425MB in your tests. Yet the DS923+ (albeit with slightly faster hat5300 drives) showed more than double that at 890MB write and line speed read. Can you explain these results?
Great review. Can you run dsm on the ssd storage. Is it possible to move the existing installation to the ssd? And if so do you think the power consumption would be reduced because the hdds only hold data and the hdd are in sleep mode until you really need data if them. If so I think this could be a very big reduce of power consumption....
Hi, quick question. Since I am considering purchasing NAS I would like an advice which should I pick: 923+ vs 1522+. I would say that I don't really need 5-bay option (for now I am considering putting in some 8TB drives - was looking at IronWolf (I would like some on the quieter side), but the price difference is not that hight so I am rather baffled which should I opt for. Usage which I am considering is mostly storage server, with optional virtual machine.
Get 4 drives. If you need more space consider getting larger drives from the get go. Replacing them for larger drives later is possible one by one with SHR.
very useful review, i have a question: i own some new win 11 PCs an old win xp 32 bit PC, and i am interested in buying a NAS for my home /office. Do you think DSM 7.0 is compatible with windows xp? if not is it possible to use a previous DSM version on a new Synology NAS or is it better to look elsewere? (QNAP, Asustor..?)
I've been trying to buy a NAS for several months. Every time I watch your videos I get more confuse. What do you recommend for file and maybe old, stored movies on other hard drive.
That's a big one! But tbh you would be fine with a J series Synology or one of the Value ones - as long as you don't need your medi converted due to size, compression or format.
Thank you very much for sharing this content! I have watched several videos in the past few weeks and would have loved to have seen them before purchasing my old nas QNAP TS-253 PRO. I'm strongly considering purchasing a Synology DS923+ or 723+. Only I can't get my files off my old nas since my motherboard is broken. I have already tried to read this through a program like R-Linux which should be able to read my RAID 1 configuration. But unfortunately this doesn't work. Is it possible that I can read the disks on the Synology DS923+? I hope you can help me?
I have a random question that is not related to this video, I have a DS420+. I had an old 4TB drive that had all my data (taken out of a WD NAS). I bought the DS420+ with one drive with the intention of using the old drive as a second drive. Turned out to be badly degraded so I took it out. Now I have this “storage degraded” message constantly and cannot remove it. I tried creating an SSD cache and it is not allowing me because the unit is “in an abnormal state”. Please help. I want the unit to accept that it will not be having a second drive anytime soon. Drives are expensive
Why dont they include cat 8 ethernet cables in the year 2022/23??? I dont understand it. Is it so much more expansive? At least cat7. When i buy their 10gbe extension i need cat7 anyway so why not include from the beginning.
Can the nvme drives be used as a landing drive to copy to at first and then when they get x percentage full, copy to the main hard drives in the 4 bays?
4:10 did I understand correctly that in early 2023 there might be the chance of a DS920+ successor for prosumers? This mentioned 'value series' may indeed fill the gap that the DS923 has left in regards to transcoding. Gosh I am still in doubt: My DS216+II is old and the two bays only became a big burden but I am hesitating to still buy the DS920+ or keep waiting. In regards to the DS923+ I just dont see how I personally benefit from 10GBit and 32GB RAM upgrade possibilities. (My entire network is all 1GBits only) and the high RAM I dont see use neither. The only really cool thing is the ECC. Wait & hope for 2023 or grab the 920+ on Black Friday? Uff! Nevertheless. I enjoyed watching the full review. Thanks a million for this video and all the previous ones covering the topic.
In case someone struggles with the same situation as myself. I put myself out of the misery now and bought that DS920+. In case the four bay value series comes someswhen next year that might fill the gap of DS920+ DS923+ then I will re-assess the situation.
@@skystink i am debating whether or not to get the 920+ or 923+ ... I want it to store photos and be a back up of my computer where all of my photos / videos are on ... I have m.2 drive which is primarily where the photos are, and a hard-drive where a copy is (which was being backed up by windows 10, but since going to windows 11 I have no idea if its doing it will - hence exploring NAS!) ... I want something which is futureproof, but something well-rounded. the 923+ has the onboard graphics which sounds more promising than the 923+ - ahhhhhhhhhh
I have thingking to get ds1522 or ds 923. Different +100usd for extra 4gb ram and 1slot hdd. Which one would be a wise decision? Since upgrade 4gb ecc ram cost more than 100usd.
The only question I have is why the hell can't Synology use a screw on LOCKING retainer or twist-on LOCKING power connector?!!! It literally would add $0-$0.01 cost.
Dude, that's a perfectly brilliant question. I had the exact question when editing this video (as I have heard this track about a million times on the radio as backing to stories). Took me a little digging, but it Is called "Our Tune". Thanks for asking and helping me feel assured that I picked the right track for the story. Have a great weekend.
@@nascompares I had this song on a cassette when I was 10 or 12 years old and was listening to it on my walkman player. I haven't heard it again since then. I listened it on your video and my memory immediately went back to that old era of mine. So I had to ask you about it!!!!
Even as a long time Synology user, I really hate the penny-pinching here. The USB, network ports, lack of GPU, hugely expensive expansion boxes and network card upgrades, and the pushing toward own-branded drives, are all big turn-offs for me. Adding 2.5GbE, better USB, and a Ryzen with graphics would have cost them next to nothing, literally a few dollars. The NVME storage is an unexpected bonus, but I'm not seeing anything here pulling me away from the QNAP TS-464. Just seems a better all-rounder.
@@km3481 I am also starting to consider the move to QNAP. There are some other annoyances with Synology which is rarely addressed. I am still on a 916+ and been waiting for a proper upgrade. A few things do however disturb me on my box. Even after DSM 7 update they keep my box running on linux kernel 3.13 and the OpenVPN server in DSM 7 is not updated to latest version and as far as I have read the Photos app has not been made for Android TV (at least not for version 9 on my Nvidia Shield)
@@ReneSkotte If you are going to use the features, upgrade to 2.5 gbe, and look at options available. It is a real solid choice, if you install qnapclub there are tons of 3rd party options to do some really cool things.
I share your feelings. For 15 years I would not have considered a different brand, and I still enjoy DSM but the hardware of this is just so disappointing I may go QNAP for my main NAS going forwards. Any pointers on how to best use my old DS918+ as a backup in that combo would be appreciated.
@@wvansluisveld3011 You could put snapshots on it, direct backups to it or for redundancy and mirror your QNAP. I kept an old NAS for redundancy on the network for a while for, but after awhile I pulled it as I didn't see the point. I just use snapshots and backup to an external drive to put offsite or in a safe. The ports on the qnap are gen 2, so backups are pretty quick. You will be very happy with one of the QNAPs, they really do everything pretty darn well. I was thinking about going with the high end full intel processor versions at one point, but the 453E/464 are really great at what they do. They are the best value NAS I could find.
I have £1500 budget and I am looking for the best 40TB raid NAS to 20TB my current solution is a 20TB my home cloud duo raided to 10TB and its starting to fail., I need to keep my home business files, photos movies and music running via Plex and streaming to my 65" 4k tv. I also need to access it via the web when i am out of the house. my house internet is FTTP 950GB. So what would you suggest i buy inline with my budget?
For that money, I think you might be in the ballpark for a QNAP with a real I3/I5/I7/I9 processor. You would be getting the best performance possible. Streaming media is super easy. Recommend you get a solid hardware firewall with capable features (IPS, Geoblocking, etc.) before exposing anything on your network to the outside world.
Great review! I just bought a DS923+ and I got one problem - it's very noisy. I'm still waiting for the hard drivers to come, but wanted to check if the DS923+ works fine without any drives. I'd say the fans are at 100% all the time (even if there are no drives in it and there's no high CPU usage). Just worried if that's normal or should I replace them with more silent fans (Reddit says about Noctua fans).
@@adriellevy2207 Hey buddy, sorry for the late reply but I finally managed to get more insights after my drives have arrived. So overall: the NAS is loud (especially when using server disks - clicking when disk in usage). After installing the drives, the fan noise was slightly reduced (I think it was caused by the empty space in the enclosure). I've even replaced the stock fans with Noctua - In my opinion, it's just not worth it. Using any noise reducers provided by Noctua (the pin adapters which reduce the power on the cable, which directly translates to lower RPM on that fan and in the end producing less nose) unfortunately won't work here as Synology will automatically kill the power to these fans if they'll go under specific RPMs (system will send beeps that the fan doesn't work and start them again until reboot). So I ended up with Noctua fans only, which are a little bit quieter than the stock ones, but IMO not worth the deal. Regarding the fans - yes, they're running all the time (at low RPM).
should i wait for this or get the 920+ ? im from India. my use cases will be mass storage for my 3D stuff, synology photos backup and JELLYFIN media server.
33:00 "quick" guide then a 1:25:00 "full" review! 🤔😂 I think you were afraid to give your final opinion without trying to talk yourself up to give your final thoughts? 🤣😥
The problem with 1G ports is that even if you have 10 x 1G ports it's inferior to a single 10G port.. if you have a single file transfer it will always be using a single port, so it you want to copy a BIG single file and you have one hundred 1G ports, the max you'll get is still limited to a single interface.. such a stupid move by synology
If the links are bundled (LACP) as Synology supports) you will utilize all the ports in the channel even with a singel file transfer. A large file transfer will be divided up in several flows and each flow will be load balanced over all the 1 gig links in the bundle. If you dont belive me read the RFC for LACP or just wikipedia it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation
@@bback74 you need to understand the concept of tuples hashing to understand why LACP by itself will never send over multiple links if a single flow is used. There are "other ways" that can send over multiple links like per packet load balancing ( or per frame ) in that case. all LACP does is bundle 4 links to use a single mac address as a destination by sequence a single IP address for the member links.. how traffic is load balanced, that's completely dependent on the hashing algorithm in which even if you're using all 7 tuples, it will still use a single link.
@@nascompares My perspective is unique to the US, from whence I look skeptically at the foreign notion of "football," with a measure of distaste -- in shorts and knee-length socks!? -- and distrust -- their judgment shows no understanding of the US, where football was invented. I'm not entirely biased: though it excludes, um, "football," I feel an affection for Liverpool.
As we know, this and the rest of the top end of the plus lineup this year, is an absolute joke. Also just noticed that if this is "enterprise" focused, customers will have to get subpar overpriced HAT drives (for support), rather than industry leading Ultrastars and Exos. Pathetic.
Users simply don't care about 2.5 or 5GBE. Most networks are 1GBE... it simply isnt a bottle neck. If anything its drive IOPS slowingthings. The ones who do have greater network speeds they ALL skipped to 10G. I'd rather they keep 1G and keep reliability and software optimizations on existing chips... and not raise prices. *I have an IT company supporting many businesses, almost all have synology.
WTF you are talking about? ONE Ultrastar 18TB has already 270MB/s transfer while 1GBe has ~118MB/s real transfer. Did Synology paid for such ridiculous bs?
Before anyone says it, I KNOW... 1HR 25MINS!!! But this is the MASSIVE review where we review and test EVERYTHING on the #Synology DS923+ NAS. If you are looking for a shorter version of this review that ONLY covers the Pros and the Cons, you can find my shorter 'DS923+ Before You Buy Video here - The Synology DS923+ NAS - Should You Buy? ruclips.net/video/GjALhE3TtyY/видео.html
Thanks for watching and have a lovely week!
"Did you see that ludicrous display last night?" Seriously, the PSA at the beginning had me rolling. Well done sir!
I mean...mate...I smashed 'like' on that comment so hard, the screen cracked!
Shit I am too late
Looooool
I have purchased the DS923+. The following items do work fine. 4EA Seagate Exos 7E8 4th (ST4000NM0035) and NEMIX 16GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300 SODIMM (D4ESO-2666-16G). No warning and working great.
You're a great youtuber dude. I mean that. When I watch your videos, I learn and I laugh. You're awesome I love uou man
Doesn't like the lack of foam in the box, bangs the NAS on the table 🤣. Great video man, keep up the great work!
imo one of (by far) biggest issues you have not mentioned is the power consumption. 4x times more than the 920+? Holy!! That is unacceptable in these energy crises times...
Nice format, nice to introduce NAS with such coverage! I hope you continue this format.
Would be interesting to see performance with VMM running Windows (with storage located on the NVMe's).
Starting with 3x12TB plus the 2x8 I already have. Then I can just pull them out and expand if needed. Dedicate 8TB to plex. Adding an old m.2 1TB Drive and 10Gb card but only 2.5Gb for now.
39:15 Sorry, but Ironwolf Pro and Red Pro are still NOT on the compatibility list for 923+
GREAT Intro!
Excellent! Very helpful review.
Thank you for this great review. 👍
I have a question , you installed the os on the nvme and the you add the HDD or all together ?
Great review - thanks v much!
I love his excitment 😀😀
LE: Mate that amazon link is sending me to Synology DS418. Am I doing something wrong ?
Hey guys! Can you help me with a recommendation for a 4k streaming/decoding NAS and some general phone/computer back up please? I just bought the DS224+, which I will returning now. Had my sights set on the DS923+, then debated with DS1522+, DS423, and now I’m looking at the QNAP TS-453E-8G-US. Any suggestions. Honestly, idk if I need to decode. I just keep hearing they. But I do have an eye and ear for 4k and quality audio. So I’d like to keep that.
Waiting on mine to get delivered.
Other than 5 bays v 4, the memory and the eSATA ports, are the 1522+ and 923+ identical?
Now, I wish they would make their Slim version with Intel chip, and that 10Gbe slot. That would be nice, run all SSDs
Do you have any recommendations for SSD Heatsinks that would fit in this model?
So with last update DSM we can use m.2 SSD not only like cash for HDD. Maybe my question is not correct: can i setup Synology DiskStation Manager (DSM) to ds923+ ssd m.2? I mean like in standart pc we have fast system drive with operating system (in this case i think it is m.2 ssd) and we have slow HDD for multimedia and other data.
How many cameras it can support when recording in h265? Will I be able to play surveillance records or watching life h265 at the same time?
I had to downvote, because you gave 10/10 for non 2.5GBe NAS. There is completely no justification other than greed.
-2 for lack of 2.5GBe
-1 for "compatibility list"
-1 for prices
Solid 6/10
Don't forget about the USB Gen 1, lower AMD CPU and no standard PCIE. Agree I see this has a HUGE money grab, they expect the user base to just take it and smile imho. I'm done with them. 6/10 because the OS is really polished seems fair to me... Party with hardware like 2019!
Can I mount it as a drive on an Apple Silicon Mac while I am on internet?
I have a synology RS3614xs+ NAS connected via iscsi to a Windows Server running Veeam for backups. The synology NAS is raid 6. The synology NAS is showing used space 29.8 TB / 33.4 TB 89% used space. The windows veeam server is showing 12.3 TB / 27.3 TB used space. Why the discrepancy ?
Any Unofficial M2 for cache and Pool? Can you test it? Imagine 4TN M2 pools.
Brilliant intro.
Our tune love it
any idea when this will be available in the UK?
Do you know / have you measured the idle power consumption (woke up with hdds spinning but with no acutal workload/data transfers ongoing)?
Any recommendations for home use, is DS420+ will be good for home use?
Hello, does NVR function and SS (running 6 x 8MP cameras) rely on GPU? Viewing cam on screen?
Nice review! I do like Synology. My DS1010 is still humming away :)
Thanks for your great work!!
So for Video editing ( final cut) and photo ( capture one) , DS920+ will be a better?
instant like for that intro :)
Cheers man. The pain is real
Can you connect the eSATA to a Mac or PC as "DAS" direct or is it only for expansion? If so that sucks because 1Gbe is slow for photography. 10Gbe not available on a customer PC.
x570 creator mainboard from asrock, then iscsi - would be possible.
Wached quite plenty of your informative videos but as a amateur first time user only in an internal home network enviroment i still don't know if the 923+ will be able to stream a own recorded 4k 60fps video to my sony oled x90j without buffering. My TV is connected by 1gbit lan. I don't want the NAS to be connected at all to the Web itself. Basically an storage and backup for private photos and videos and ability to drop it within my home to my tv... will it do the job? Thanks
A few questions I might have missed: The NVMe slots only works with Synology SSDs? 10GbE card also compatible with 5 and 2,5GbE? If using 10GbE and NVMe storage pool is faster than with raid disks? Also, I have a few old WD30EFRXnot on the compatibility list, can they be ok to use in DS923+? Sorry for my basic questions and thank you for a very detailed review.
Pretty sure that the NVMe slots will take most SSDs, I've used non-Synology NVMe drives in my current Synology NAS (DS918+) and have had zero problems.
@@NickRego for caching I guess? but u think for storage also?
@@lowesmed5681 I think synology would really be in pain if they limited only synology nvme for storage pool. As said in the video, Synology have tested their own drives on the slots and bays, so that describes their 'ideal' setup. But we all use a lot of different drives in our NAS units so they'd be really shooting them self in the foot it they restricted this in some way.
@@NickRego Well seems like they like to shoot themselves in the foot because, for the time, you can only use their own NVME SSDs as storage pools :(
@@fv_abian Yikes! Well I'll be getting a unit to review soon so I'll post back with my findings!
I'm confused as to why the DS1522+ in raid 5 configuration showed ATTO at around peak write 371MB and peak read 425MB in your tests. Yet the DS923+ (albeit with slightly faster hat5300 drives) showed more than double that at 890MB write and line speed read. Can you explain these results?
@@kulaak-krii m.2 cache drives ?
Hi, how can i activate that little menu line on top?? Never found this option! Greetings
Does it support Seagate IronWolf Pro NAS 16TB? any thoughts?
Great review. Can you run dsm on the ssd storage. Is it possible to move the existing installation to the ssd? And if so do you think the power consumption would be reduced because the hdds only hold data and the hdd are in sleep mode until you really need data if them. If so I think this could be a very big reduce of power consumption....
limited to synology branded nvme drives only..and they cost a arm and a leg..
Hi, quick question. Since I am considering purchasing NAS I would like an advice which should I pick: 923+ vs 1522+. I would say that I don't really need 5-bay option (for now I am considering putting in some 8TB drives - was looking at IronWolf (I would like some on the quieter side), but the price difference is not that hight so I am rather baffled which should I opt for. Usage which I am considering is mostly storage server, with optional virtual machine.
Get 4 drives. If you need more space consider getting larger drives from the get go. Replacing them for larger drives later is possible one by one with SHR.
Quite-amazing Mr NAS guy ;)
very useful review, i have a question: i own some new win 11 PCs an old win xp 32 bit PC, and i am interested in buying a NAS for my home /office.
Do you think DSM 7.0 is compatible with windows xp? if not is it possible to use a previous DSM version on a new Synology NAS or is it better to look elsewere? (QNAP, Asustor..?)
Can I conect the System with the door bing to take photo for each bing press?
I've been trying to buy a NAS for several months. Every time I watch your videos I get more confuse. What do you recommend for file and maybe old, stored movies on other hard drive.
That's a big one! But tbh you would be fine with a J series Synology or one of the Value ones - as long as you don't need your medi converted due to size, compression or format.
Thank you very much for sharing this content! I have watched several videos in the past few weeks and would have loved to have seen them before purchasing my old nas QNAP TS-253 PRO. I'm strongly considering purchasing a Synology DS923+ or 723+. Only I can't get my files off my old nas since my motherboard is broken. I have already tried to read this through a program like R-Linux which should be able to read my RAID 1 configuration. But unfortunately this doesn't work. Is it possible that I can read the disks on the Synology DS923+? I hope you can help me?
I have a random question that is not related to this video, I have a DS420+. I had an old 4TB drive that had all my data (taken out of a WD NAS). I bought the DS420+ with one drive with the intention of using the old drive as a second drive. Turned out to be badly degraded so I took it out. Now I have this “storage degraded” message constantly and cannot remove it. I tried creating an SSD cache and it is not allowing me because the unit is “in an abnormal state”. Please help. I want the unit to accept that it will not be having a second drive anytime soon. Drives are expensive
Why dont they include cat 8 ethernet cables in the year 2022/23??? I dont understand it. Is it so much more expansive? At least cat7. When i buy their 10gbe extension i need cat7 anyway so why not include from the beginning.
Can the nvme drives be used as a landing drive to copy to at first and then when they get x percentage full, copy to the main hard drives in the 4 bays?
cache drives, yes thats the "normal" use of the Nvme's but you cant have both.
Is the Synology DS923+ capable of running roon core?
4:10 did I understand correctly that in early 2023 there might be the chance of a DS920+ successor for prosumers? This mentioned 'value series' may indeed fill the gap that the DS923 has left in regards to transcoding. Gosh I am still in doubt: My DS216+II is old and the two bays only became a big burden but I am hesitating to still buy the DS920+ or keep waiting. In regards to the DS923+ I just dont see how I personally benefit from 10GBit and 32GB RAM upgrade possibilities. (My entire network is all 1GBits only) and the high RAM I dont see use neither. The only really cool thing is the ECC. Wait & hope for 2023 or grab the 920+ on Black Friday? Uff! Nevertheless. I enjoyed watching the full review. Thanks a million for this video and all the previous ones covering the topic.
In case someone struggles with the same situation as myself. I put myself out of the misery now and bought that DS920+. In case the four bay value series comes someswhen next year that might fill the gap of DS920+ DS923+ then I will re-assess the situation.
@@skystink i am debating whether or not to get the 920+ or 923+ ... I want it to store photos and be a back up of my computer where all of my photos / videos are on ... I have m.2 drive which is primarily where the photos are, and a hard-drive where a copy is (which was being backed up by windows 10, but since going to windows 11 I have no idea if its doing it will - hence exploring NAS!) ... I want something which is futureproof, but something well-rounded. the 923+ has the onboard graphics which sounds more promising than the 923+ - ahhhhhhhhhh
Hm… this or 1522 for 100 bucks more. Really wondering if they bring NVME storage pool support to 1522 given it is the same HW.
will we be able to do storage pools with the ssd nvme on older devices with a DSM update or is it just for new models?
Currently only for this one model, no others...
Will it support Raid F1 ?
Graphic accelerotor upgrade on that 10gbe probably
I have thingking to get ds1522 or ds 923. Different +100usd for extra 4gb ram and 1slot hdd. Which one would be a wise decision? Since upgrade 4gb ecc ram cost more than 100usd.
Hope to hear your oppinion thanks.
The only question I have is why the hell can't Synology use a screw on LOCKING retainer or twist-on LOCKING power connector?!!! It literally would add $0-$0.01 cost.
Isn't it basically a 1522 minus a bay?
I am good with an external psu, but I dont like the poor plug that is in low voltage end, a bit flimsy for me.
I know it's irrelevant question but what is the name of the music track in the beginning of the video??? Thanks you for your massive efforts mate!
Dude, that's a perfectly brilliant question. I had the exact question when editing this video (as I have heard this track about a million times on the radio as backing to stories). Took me a little digging, but it Is called "Our Tune". Thanks for asking and helping me feel assured that I picked the right track for the story. Have a great weekend.
@@nascompares You are the man!!! Thanks a lot! Have a good one yourself!!
Still double chuffed someone asked this question about the music.*points* YOU made my day man
@@nascompares I had this song on a cassette when I was 10 or 12 years old and was listening to it on my walkman player. I haven't heard it again since then. I listened it on your video and my memory immediately went back to that old era of mine. So I had to ask you about it!!!!
@nascompares
How fast ist 10gbe on a encrypted share?
Even as a long time Synology user, I really hate the penny-pinching here. The USB, network ports, lack of GPU, hugely expensive expansion boxes and network card upgrades, and the pushing toward own-branded drives, are all big turn-offs for me. Adding 2.5GbE, better USB, and a Ryzen with graphics would have cost them next to nothing, literally a few dollars. The NVME storage is an unexpected bonus, but I'm not seeing anything here pulling me away from the QNAP TS-464. Just seems a better all-rounder.
Feel the same as you... I went with a 453E and I haven't been disappointed... The 453E/464 can really do so much, lots of options...
@@km3481 I am also starting to consider the move to QNAP. There are some other annoyances with Synology which is rarely addressed. I am still on a 916+ and been waiting for a proper upgrade. A few things do however disturb me on my box. Even after DSM 7 update they keep my box running on linux kernel 3.13 and the OpenVPN server in DSM 7 is not updated to latest version and as far as I have read the Photos app has not been made for Android TV (at least not for version 9 on my Nvidia Shield)
@@ReneSkotte If you are going to use the features, upgrade to 2.5 gbe, and look at options available. It is a real solid choice, if you install qnapclub there are tons of 3rd party options to do some really cool things.
I share your feelings. For 15 years I would not have considered a different brand, and I still enjoy DSM but the hardware of this is just so disappointing I may go QNAP for my main NAS going forwards. Any pointers on how to best use my old DS918+ as a backup in that combo would be appreciated.
@@wvansluisveld3011 You could put snapshots on it, direct backups to it or for redundancy and mirror your QNAP. I kept an old NAS for redundancy on the network for a while for, but after awhile I pulled it as I didn't see the point. I just use snapshots and backup to an external drive to put offsite or in a safe. The ports on the qnap are gen 2, so backups are pretty quick. You will be very happy with one of the QNAPs, they really do everything pretty darn well. I was thinking about going with the high end full intel processor versions at one point, but the 453E/464 are really great at what they do. They are the best value NAS I could find.
This is useless without a GPU for all home users that run Plex. It's not even that great for business users with many of the limitations you listed.
I have £1500 budget and I am looking for the best 40TB raid NAS to 20TB my current solution is a 20TB my home cloud duo raided to 10TB and its starting to fail., I need to keep my home business files, photos movies and music running via Plex and streaming to my 65" 4k tv. I also need to access it via the web when i am out of the house. my house internet is FTTP 950GB. So what would you suggest i buy inline with my budget?
For that money, I think you might be in the ballpark for a QNAP with a real I3/I5/I7/I9 processor. You would be getting the best performance possible. Streaming media is super easy. Recommend you get a solid hardware firewall with capable features (IPS, Geoblocking, etc.) before exposing anything on your network to the outside world.
Great review, but after watching I’ve decided to buy ds920+…
Great review! I just bought a DS923+ and I got one problem - it's very noisy. I'm still waiting for the hard drivers to come, but wanted to check if the DS923+ works fine without any drives. I'd say the fans are at 100% all the time (even if there are no drives in it and there's no high CPU usage).
Just worried if that's normal or should I replace them with more silent fans (Reddit says about Noctua fans).
I wonder if having no drives is why the fans are running??? Please report back when you install the drives.
@@adriellevy2207 Hey buddy, sorry for the late reply but I finally managed to get more insights after my drives have arrived.
So overall: the NAS is loud (especially when using server disks - clicking when disk in usage). After installing the drives, the fan noise was slightly reduced (I think it was caused by the empty space in the enclosure).
I've even replaced the stock fans with Noctua - In my opinion, it's just not worth it.
Using any noise reducers provided by Noctua (the pin adapters which reduce the power on the cable, which directly translates to lower RPM on that fan and in the end producing less nose) unfortunately won't work here as Synology will automatically kill the power to these fans if they'll go under specific RPMs (system will send beeps that the fan doesn't work and start them again until reboot).
So I ended up with Noctua fans only, which are a little bit quieter than the stock ones, but IMO not worth the deal.
Regarding the fans - yes, they're running all the time (at low RPM).
Not sure why your NAS is noisy. Mine just arrived and I cannot hear anything (no drives in yet, but the stock fans are running).
I have an older Synology NAS, but mine has an optional quiet mode under Control Panel -> Hardware and Power, then scroll down to Fan Speed Mode.
@@dominikszymanski4997 I want to get the same nas with wd ultrastar HDDs. Can you hear the NAS from outside of a closed room?
How did u get your hands in one of these so fast? :)
synology sent him for sure
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should i wait for this or get the 920+ ? im from India. my use cases will be mass storage for my 3D stuff, synology photos backup and JELLYFIN media server.
question is do you need transcoding or do you need 10gbe upgrade option.
@@DR19X no need for 10bit.
Here it comes
لقد استفدت من الفيديو كثيرا
Superb presentation, totally ruined by the intrusive adverts every time you move to a new topic
Don't mind buying Synology ram but only being able to use Synology nvme's for pools is plain stupid.
Have you seen that ludicrous display last night?
That's the thing with Arsenal...
...they always try to walk it in.
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Great review
Not a great NAS
It's never been Ryzon.
33:00 "quick" guide then a 1:25:00 "full" review! 🤔😂 I think you were afraid to give your final opinion without trying to talk yourself up to give your final thoughts? 🤣😥
The problem with 1G ports is that even if you have 10 x 1G ports it's inferior to a single 10G port.. if you have a single file transfer it will always be using a single port, so it you want to copy a BIG single file and you have one hundred 1G ports, the max you'll get is still limited to a single interface.. such a stupid move by synology
If the links are bundled (LACP) as Synology supports) you will utilize all the ports in the channel even with a singel file transfer. A large file transfer will be divided up in several flows and each flow will be load balanced over all the 1 gig links in the bundle. If you dont belive me read the RFC for LACP or just wikipedia it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation
@@bback74 you need to understand the concept of tuples hashing to understand why LACP by itself will never send over multiple links if a single flow is used. There are "other ways" that can send over multiple links like per packet load balancing ( or per frame ) in that case. all LACP does is bundle 4 links to use a single mac address as a destination by sequence a single IP address for the member links.. how traffic is load balanced, that's completely dependent on the hashing algorithm in which even if you're using all 7 tuples, it will still use a single link.
What pisses me off is that "socker" is called "football" even though the ball isn't malformed.
*Throws ball to another guy. He catches with his hands. Throws to another guys hands* - Yes, let's call this football
@@nascompares My perspective is unique to the US, from whence I look skeptically at the foreign notion of "football," with a measure of distaste -- in shorts and knee-length socks!? -- and distrust -- their judgment shows no understanding of the US, where football was invented.
I'm not entirely biased: though it excludes, um, "football," I feel an affection for Liverpool.
SOCCER
@@DavidM2002 You are humor-impaired.
@@jnagarya519 Well, no. Given some of the truly awful spelling, punctuation, and lazy keyboard skills, I couldn't resist. It's contagious.
Stop moving your hands..... getting seasickness from it..
As we know, this and the rest of the top end of the plus lineup this year, is an absolute joke. Also just noticed that if this is "enterprise" focused, customers will have to get subpar overpriced HAT drives (for support), rather than industry leading Ultrastars and Exos. Pathetic.
Can anyone for God's sake make a video for noobs? Jesus.
depending on what the noobs want.
Users simply don't care about 2.5 or 5GBE. Most networks are 1GBE... it simply isnt a bottle neck. If anything its drive IOPS slowingthings.
The ones who do have greater network speeds they ALL skipped to 10G.
I'd rather they keep 1G and keep reliability and software optimizations on existing chips... and not raise prices.
*I have an IT company supporting many businesses, almost all have synology.
WTF you are talking about? ONE Ultrastar 18TB has already 270MB/s transfer while 1GBe has ~118MB/s real transfer.
Did Synology paid for such ridiculous bs?
Thx for this great review 🦾 it helps a lot.
Od you will Test 3rd party WD Black SN850X nvme 2TB with heatsink would be greatful 🤩