Great little device. The N1xx CPU is the gift that keeps on giving, even if it's so PCI-limited. I use Ubuntu as NAS OS. Cockpit + 45 drives plugins + zfs plus a few bits of cron automation for replication. But anyhow, if Ubuntu runs, TrueNAS or Unraid will also run no problemo.
it's not a long term storage solution though, since SSDs start to lose their content, when they are not powered. especially the cheaper, multi-bit/storage cell ones (TLC/QLC)
@@0netomWhy are you turning it off? I do not trust SSD for long term storage because I’ve had a high failure rate. Three different brands, four failed drives w/ many bad sectors w/in a year. Proper backups is what saved my data. I will continue to buy spinning rust for longterm backups.
@ now, that im saying this, im just realizing that i have some SSDs, which i haven't touched in awhile... i can't probably tell, if it had any bit flips, since most mainstream filesystems don't support detecting those. luckily, i don't have anything unique on them.
I do like the fact they put in 4 NVMe slots! 10 Gig networking would've matched the SSDs performance perfectly, but good enough I guess... For the average user switching from a 2 bay HDD NAS, this will be a huge improvement! I'm thinking about getting one as a secondary on-site backup.
This compact NAS reminded me that I'd like to see some NAS manufacturers make units for the new 10" mini rack system. Preferably with some 3.5" drive capabilities. Have you seen movement in that area recently?
Seems like a close competitor for the newest upgrade of the cwwk X86-P5 with the 4xM2 and case varient. They've started listing an X86-P6 with the N150/N355 options.
Interesting! Thank you for this review. The potential overheating is my concern, a show stopper for me. This model looks like a good basis on which to develop a cooler model. Until a cooler model is available this model though is a hard pass for me. 😮
I just ordered one of those yesterday. They weren’t offering any drives at the time but fired it would be fun to play with. A little bummed on the emmc memory but for the cost what the heck
I would be tempted to use omv. I do not have experience with unraid I would be prepared to try it. I think it would be overkill, but why couldn't I load truenas into the emmc? 64gB would seem enough.
But with max nvme 3.0 and 2,5Gb Ethernet, is heat a big concern if you just choose 4 nvme 3.0 drives at the level of ssd performance the system allow ? I fully agree that if they had thought it a bit more over and provided a metal bottom the problem would probably be completely gone. I would guess no one would choose high performance nvme 5,0 drives for this kind of product as they would never reach their full performance potential.
My $99 OpenWrt One has a sold aluminum case so there's no need of a fan. I wonder how hard it would be to 3D print an aluminum or magnesium door for this NucBox G9. Wouldn't need to be thick.
What a shame as for a few quid extra many of the downsides such as heat dissipation could've ben fixed. Given the cost of NVMEs a few quid extra would hardly dissuade anyone from buying.
Even more so, literally $10 worth of heatsinks would have helped. Or a dedicated heatsink panel with mounted fan connected to one/both of those small fan outputs would have done so very much!
@@nascompares do you think the heat issues are entirely fixed if I bought heat sinks for each NVME drive? Because if the cover is plastic the heat still won’t go anywhere right?
I’ll tell ya what… as a poor, this is an ideal piece of equipment. I have some extra fans I could use to cool the nvme bay. Drill some hoes in some plastic, add the fans call it a day.
morer and cheaperer ssds and a cpu that can handle pcie bandwidths better....and usb4 to make it daisy chaineable.....ryzen 7320 with a massive passive would be a good option, and 16TB ssds with a pricetag of 30 eur per TB
The size is amazing, and the price seems so too. The thermals and the limited capacity of the EMMC storage (that you said is not capable of having TrueNas), however, is quite disappointing. We definitely need at least 4 bays just for storage for sure for stuff like RAID5, considering that largest TLC SSDs available are 4TB
Agreed on price and size, but disagree on 64 GB eMMC not being enough for TrueNAS. That should work no problem and even fit a small swap to help with the limited RAM.
You're a Brit. Why are you pricing everything in dollars? We've got brains...we can work it out for ourselves. I regularly watch reviews from Aus, Philipines etc...they say prices in their _own_ currencies (as YOU should too!) Poor show.
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We REALLY need more higher quality non plastic versions of these with better ram, more cooling and metal casing!
More cooling needs to be replaceable fans and not laptop coolers. That’s a major failure point and it’s just a matter of time before it fails.
Great little device. The N1xx CPU is the gift that keeps on giving, even if it's so PCI-limited.
I use Ubuntu as NAS OS. Cockpit + 45 drives plugins + zfs plus a few bits of cron automation for replication.
But anyhow, if Ubuntu runs, TrueNAS or Unraid will also run no problemo.
Mini NAS with flash storage is great, hopefully they become more popular
it's not a long term storage solution though, since SSDs start to lose their content, when they are not powered.
especially the cheaper, multi-bit/storage cell ones (TLC/QLC)
@ are you saying SSDs are usless for NAS?
@@0netomWhy are you turning it off? I do not trust SSD for long term storage because I’ve had a high failure rate. Three different brands, four failed drives w/ many bad sectors w/in a year. Proper backups is what saved my data. I will continue to buy spinning rust for longterm backups.
@ no, just u still want some HDDs too, for (local) backup purposes probably, as the 2 in the 3-2-1 backup rule recommends it
@ now, that im saying this, im just realizing that i have some SSDs, which i haven't touched in awhile... i can't probably tell, if it had any bit flips, since most mainstream filesystems don't support detecting those.
luckily, i don't have anything unique on them.
I do like the fact they put in 4 NVMe slots! 10 Gig networking would've matched the SSDs performance perfectly, but good enough I guess... For the average user switching from a 2 bay HDD NAS, this will be a huge improvement! I'm thinking about getting one as a secondary on-site backup.
That is exactly what I was thinking. Unraid backup server. USB harddisk bays and done 😂
Would be nice to see how truenas would performance on this.
This compact NAS reminded me that I'd like to see some NAS manufacturers make units for the new 10" mini rack system. Preferably with some 3.5" drive capabilities. Have you seen movement in that area recently?
6:13 "That wasn't my knee." 😎
Seems like a close competitor for the newest upgrade of the cwwk X86-P5 with the 4xM2 and case varient. They've started listing an X86-P6 with the N150/N355 options.
Interesting! Thank you for this review. The potential overheating is my concern, a show stopper for me. This model looks like a good basis on which to develop a cooler model. Until a cooler model is available this model though is a hard pass for me. 😮
I just ordered one of those yesterday. They weren’t offering any drives at the time but fired it would be fun to play with. A little bummed on the emmc memory but for the cost what the heck
I know it's a lot slower than an ssd, but used only for the system, does it really matter ?
How reliable is the inbuilt EMMC storage and RAM?
Because if they fail the whole unit is gone.
Router box with built in steam cache? And I bet V2 has better cooling (see also M5 series)
I would be tempted to use omv. I do not have experience with unraid I would be prepared to try it. I think it would be overkill, but why couldn't I load truenas into the emmc? 64gB would seem enough.
The plastic SSD access tray - just get a local metal work shop to copy it with the thermal pad issue solved by making it thicker if needs be...
But with max nvme 3.0 and 2,5Gb Ethernet, is heat a big concern if you just choose 4 nvme 3.0 drives at the level of ssd performance the system allow ? I fully agree that if they had thought it a bit more over and provided a metal bottom the problem would probably be completely gone. I would guess no one would choose high performance nvme 5,0 drives for this kind of product as they would never reach their full performance potential.
My $99 OpenWrt One has a sold aluminum case so there's no need of a fan. I wonder how hard it would be to 3D print an aluminum or magnesium door for this NucBox G9. Wouldn't need to be thick.
Maybe it could be a jellyfin / media server that can be connected to a TV like a roku / apple tv
looks like one needs to 3d print a new bottom to mount proper fans and a proper heatsink... like nucbox k8 plus
How would this be as an Ubuntu Docker machine?
using the 2 bey version of this for a few days. pretty great.
I'm into my mini pcs yet i've never heard of them
Can you really connect it through usb-c to a computer, to use the drives?
No, it’s not a DAS. It’s like any other computer.
This sounds like a good unraid (backup) server. Some USB bays with spinning rust and call it a day 😊
Also, what’s the max capacity per NVME drive? On the website sometimes it says 4TB per drive, others it says 8TB per drive
Are you really going to spend that much money on 8tb NVMe drives and install them in a sub $200 box like this?
What a shame as for a few quid extra many of the downsides such as heat dissipation could've ben fixed. Given the cost of NVMEs a few quid extra would hardly dissuade anyone from buying.
Even more so, literally $10 worth of heatsinks would have helped. Or a dedicated heatsink panel with mounted fan connected to one/both of those small fan outputs would have done so very much!
@@nascompares do you think the heat issues are entirely fixed if I bought heat sinks for each NVME drive?
Because if the cover is plastic the heat still won’t go anywhere right?
what is the max storage of this device, the GMKtec page shows both max 4tb per slot total 16tb and max 8tb total 32tb so which is it 🤷♂
Anyone find the bare model for sale? Amazon wants $369 for the 512GB model....
I’ll tell ya what… as a poor, this is an ideal piece of equipment. I have some extra fans I could use to cool the nvme bay. Drill some hoes in some plastic, add the fans call it a day.
Nice, but not for me. Maybe in a few years Nvme drives will be cheaper and can replace the old mechanical drives.
That’s not happening anytime soon. Especially when it comes to capacity. Even if cost per terabyte comes down you’re still limited in total capacity.
morer and cheaperer ssds and a cpu that can handle pcie bandwidths better....and usb4 to make it daisy chaineable.....ryzen 7320 with a massive passive would be a good option, and 16TB ssds with a pricetag of 30 eur per TB
What are you smoking?
Usb to 10 gig adapter? Usb gen3.2 should work right?
model? price?
right. that's what i thought...
NUC is not NAS
The size is amazing, and the price seems so too.
The thermals and the limited capacity of the EMMC storage (that you said is not capable of having TrueNas), however, is quite disappointing. We definitely need at least 4 bays just for storage for sure for stuff like RAID5, considering that largest TLC SSDs available are 4TB
Agreed on price and size, but disagree on 64 GB eMMC not being enough for TrueNAS. That should work no problem and even fit a small swap to help with the limited RAM.
it hurts BIG TIME when you say 2 lanes is 2Gbits.... when it is 2GBytes
Sorry, verbal slip!
Two bits
drives me crazy when companies build a small pc but have a massive power brick! just build
it in jeez
You're a Brit. Why are you pricing everything in dollars?
We've got brains...we can work it out for ourselves. I regularly watch reviews from Aus, Philipines etc...they say prices in their _own_ currencies (as YOU should too!) Poor show.
because viewers are NOT ONLY Brits. and something tells me viewers around the world are more familiar converting prices in USD than anything else.