The Complete Evolution of Thieves
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Introduced as one of the six starter Jobs in the original Final Fantasy, the Thief has gone on to appear in many, many different Final Fantasy games. Each had a focus on Stealing and Fleeing, but the mechanics varied quite a lot of the years, with many other traits also introduced in games like Final Fantasy XI, XIV and of course IX (Zidane) and VI (Locke).
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Rikku is - in my opinion - the best idea they had for the Job. By blending the Thief with the Chemist they took two Jobs with limited mechanics and created something that was both thematically cohesive, powerful, and fun to play. Unlike previous entries Rikku doesn't have to become a Ninja which would clash with her Al Bhed identity, and it's a role which is fundamentally mundane -- as in it doesn't turn Rikku into some kind of mage to give her more power.
Besides that, her Thief abilities pay for her Chemist side of her kit, you don't have to conserve materials or constantly go back to shops to stock up when you can periodically steal to get what you need so you can constantly have fun with the Use/Mix commands. Also pretty significant, you're not depending on Rikku to steal gear in FFX. Not only because "Steal" can be used by anyone technically but most potential items to steal pertain to Rikku's own kit or are otherwise widely available utility items. She's been constructed in such a way to not be a tax on your team you need to put work into just to acquire specific late-game equipment.
Just great design all-around.
Thank you. Was going to comment this, except far less eloquently.
Agreed! Rikku was great!
Chemist wasn’t limited mechanics…Chemist has always been one of the best final classes when you know how to use it! So much so they’ve copied the Mix mechanic in other games!
Brilliant breakdown. Never thought about it like this.
Well said.
Locke's not a thief, he's a TREASURE HUNTER!
Same thing
My dude, ANYONE who steals, is a Thief, Locke included
@@zabuza3663 I know a few people who'd rip lungs over that statement, please don't upset them, I'd feel terrible lol
@@zabuza3663 Only people from Zozo say that
He's not a treasure hunter, HE'S the treasure.
I think Sakaguchi identified with the thief job. It was always featured prominently in his games from Zidane to Locke to being a very useful class in ff5.
Sakaguchi used Thieves in DND, head-canon established
And the mustache him and FF3's thieves share, heh
The Thief role gave us some awesome characters.
Awesome *items
I love how Rikku and Tidus get along fairly well in the middle of X, and how he constantly stands up for her. In a group where everyone is secretive, the two of them were transparent and understanding of each other quickly.
PS: Spoiler alert---------Rikku was a thief, she was trying to steal Yuna from the pilgrimage! That's about as canonical thief as it gets!
Man, I love their friendship. They're both so upbeat and goofy
They got along even in the beginning of the game pretty much. After she knocks him out and gives him the food.
That’s kidnapping mate 😂
@@EdgeKisaragidone by a cute girl like Rikku some would just call it play.
@@RevanLockheart- she’s 15 in FFX you weirdo
I love Zidane Tribal from Final Fantasy IX. Zidane Tribal loves stealing rare items from enemies and bosses as long as he equips both Bandit and Master Thief.
Locke > Zidane
I'm playing ff9, I'll have to agree Zidane kind of made me start stealing all the time..
In X2 I loved switching Rikku to theif for almost every boss fight and spamming master thief until it worked and I got some pretty good stuff especially for the first playthrough.
Then Vaan in XII kinda reinforces it with the fact that Steal is something he will always know, no matter what Job you set him as with the license board
Also, no recognition of at least Paul from Final Fantasy 2, probably the earliest canonical thief in the series? Not sure if in game he has much that's Thief specific, but he deserves an honorable mention in that his whole shtick is being a great thief. I think he DOES help you find a secret passage at one point, an early example of something you note became something in FF5 with Thief in the job system
Like a true theif, Rikku stole my heart in Ffx. Low-key wanted her to end up with Tidus at times
Zidane best thief imo, but thats protag privilege for yeh. Granted rikku is close second in my book and generates just as much personality. I think both are written equally well tho.
If there was no yuna I think rikku might have a chance with tidus
Right??!! Give us the FFX dating sim Square!!
lol
Syopa Cusatyo!
For me playing as a teenager, I felt like Yuna was the one for Tidus, but Rikku was the one for me.
Thief in FF for me will always be associated with FF XI. SATA (Sneak Attack + Trick Attack), Treasure Hunter (TH) and Flee brings back so much nostalgia. TH and Flee were used for NM hunting while SATA onto a Dragoon was some of the most fun gameplay I had with MMOs.
My Thf/Nin friend and I (Rng/Nin) went hunting for the Shadow NM that dropped Vali's Bow. Did TH help who knows but it didn't hurt 1/1 drop.
They did such a good job with Thief in XI. Not only is it a really fun damage-dealer, but it has so much utility. It's great at pulling with so many contingency abilities like Flee and Perfect Dodge, it controls enmity in a party really well (which allows other damage-dealers to do more without pulling aggro), and just so many great tools like Aura Steal and Feint.
@@Stammer6 agreed 😇
Despite how very situational I’m sure it is, when I heard Larceny’s effect described in the video I kinda drooled a little bit lol
@@radicaldreamer927 What you'll really drool over is that it can steal enemy SP (1-hour) abilities. Enemy just threw up Hundred Fists? Nope- yours now!
Surprised you didn't mention the extra utility of thief where if they are the lead in the party they can just open any locked door without needing keys or anything etc.
I never knew that. Is that just in the first 3 games? Because I was never able to get far in those games they just don't hold my interest like ff4 on psp and ff6 7 8 9 and 10.
From what I can tell this is only in FFIII
Locke was always my favourite thief in all of final fantasy, not because of his ability to gain loot but because 8 hitting enemies with valiant knife and ultimate weapon was really fun!
*Treasure Hunter *
Locke is a must whenever available in ff6. I love his character and hes great in combat.
oh yeah baby, attack 8 times for 9999 damage each round pls
I always turned him into a mage with crazy magic stats that rivaled or was more powerful than my Terra or Celes.
@@terry85mar two words.
Vanish Doom
Thiefs in FF3 also automatically opens doors without keys. It's only relevant in a few "key" dungeons, but it's a start.
Oh, I forgot that you can do that
Bravely Default Thieves could also do a sickening amount of damage with Godspeed Strike, the attack ignores defense and uses their high speed stat and acts as a great DPS tool throughout the early and mid-game and can still put out competitive numbers even in the late game
I remember when I first equipped a bow on Thief hoping it’d do better than double dagger even if it had lower affinity that daggers only for them to start obliterating enemies
BD Thieves are such a great evolution of the job.
Not to mention agility is king in BD, Since it shortens your atw. Double equipping daggers gives them even more agility and gives them an almost untouchable amount of evasion.
Everyone loved having a THF friend on FFXI. Their treasure hunter ability was invaluable!
Like many others here, my favorites to this day are Locke and Zidane. They embody the job itself, as well as offer some great quips and one liners.
Only one of them has a consistent look though, no one game can seem to agree on Locke's outfit. :D
Final Fantasy 9 starting with a thief is both a blessing and a curse
The steal rates are so horrible sometimes but lord getting some equipment early makes the game so much easier
The Hilgigas... *shudder*
@@UltimaLestat who really needs the Fairy Flute anyways?
@@blindreddragon I'm compelled to steal everything from every boss. Can't help it; even after getting Zidane's Ultima Weapon I still have to get all his swords in Memoria. No idea why.
@@UltimaLestat I feel the same way too
But for this guy I had to tell myself, I'll get it later, refought it four separate times in a row for hours and never got that flute
Yeah mixing thief with a sort of alchemist role really makes Rikku and her mix skill the best gameplay wise.
I could swear Yuffie starts with Throw, not Steal.
She does, you actually get Steal much earlier in the sewers of Sector 7
Yup she has a throw materia equipped by default, not steal.
To be fair, basically anyone can be the thief in ff7 because of materia.
You are correct, it’s throw.
I like Zidane and Rikku. Rikku can be stupidly overpowered.
Rikku is the best character in the game. The only character who can even compete with her is Wakka, and that's not until you have to get a lot of things done with him that require work and significant stats.
@@randumo24 and she is the main character that players use when taking on a no sphere grid challenge.
Rikku helped me beat Jecht for the first time. For that she'll always be my fav character to use lol
@@Walamonga1313 she helped me defeat the dark aeons and penance without using yojimbo
When you start talking about Brave Exvius, you say "much like Record Keeper" as if you'd previously talked about how Thieves work in Record Keeper, except that Record Keeper wasn't mentioned at all in the video outside of that line.
I love listening to this guy's videos. He puts so much work and research into all of them, and it's relaxing and peaceful listening to him talk. :)
I think this channel is a team effort. I think this guy just mainly narrates.
PS. In Tactics Advance, purple is just the color used as the mirror to green, to distinguish enemy from own units. That's why in Tactics Advance 2, the green mage is also purple
I don’t ever comment on videos. But I am disappointed that you didn’t mention ff8. Yes, no one had jobs. But that didn’t stop diablos from giving thief skills to the member who equipped the gf. It warranted at least a note in the evolution.
Was looking for this one. The setting indeed means that thiefs simply aren't part of the cast, but Diablos -- my guy -- can give mug to anyone, once taught, and Cerberus can teach us Alert, which would prevent back-attacks. Also, in a way, Angelo has some detection/"steal" skill, so you could even draw some comparisons there. So there are a few shout-outs, despite the lack of a set-in-stone Thief archetype.
Zidane has a neckerchief. Much more sophisticated and debonair than a mere bandana.
Zidane from Final Fantasy IX is the best thief hands down, period.
I hope we get to see an evolution of Ninjas, I really loved this job specifically
I second this. My fave job / class.
Yuffie is fantastic. Though the class is based on the materia you put on your units and the unit themselves, yuffie ultimate weapon the conformer combined with morph turns enemies into items . So thats even more valuable to have the steal as well materia , morph doing max damage on conformer only. All Creation limit breaks doing anf AOE maxed damage is also nice to have taking out those annoying lasers on emerald weapon. Just love having yuffie over all
Not much prominence of FFRK here... Here's some cool things I think FFRK did:
* Earliest notable Thief skills are Steal Power and Steal Defense. Steal Power allowed you to debuff an enemy's ATK while buffing your own while Steal Defense did the same with DEF. This represented a debuffing and self-buffing option in one. Since the game only allowed 2 ability slots per character, this utility allowed you to bring a Thief alongside Mage teams.
* Thief skills were introduced with Edge I think... (fellow Keepers feel free to correct me on that)? The Event boss was Rubicante and you were strongly advised to use either of the above skills to get him to drop his cloak and reveal his Ice / Water weakness.
* Later, as dealing more hits became important, Thieves became a great physical DPS option for the aforementioned self buffing, as well as having access to a potentially 5-hit command which also healed the user (Thief's Revenge). This acted as a major upgrade of the existing ability Steal HP.
* As the game shifted more to elemental DPSing, Thieves specialized in dealing (generally to benefit Locke's existing Fire-based SB kit) Fire and (Thief (I), Zidane, Marcus) Wind damage. There was a later push for Thieves to accommodate (Leila, Rikku and Lion; useful water damage boosting option also for Edge and Yuffie) Water and (Thief (I) and Marcus) Poison as well.
The agility/speed stat also affected the damage of Thievery. You could increase the damage just by using equipment that increased the stat.
Love how in depth you are in your vids!
Did I just miss it, or did you forget Vaan in FF12? /FF12 inspirations from Thief in general
Yeah, I found it weird too
Though technically anyone can be a thief in that game if you give them that role at least in Zodiac Age.
My fave if I can’t go Ninja out of traditional jobs. Blue Mage Ninja/thief Dark Knight Mime, Dancer all in that order. I hope we see a job system turn based ff again
The Bravely Default series is as close as you could ever hope for. Bravely is the future of job-oriented, turn-based FF
Neat! I use the Thief class when i saw playing Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and let's just say i have a blast stealing the enemy's weapons, armour and skills.
On this case I'm a bigger fan of the Thieves from the Bravely games and Tactics Advance, I love the concept of a thief that can steal unmaterial stuff like MP or Skills
Let me tell you something about nineties gaming: So a mate of mine told
11 year old me friday out of school, that in FF7 you could steel a exclusive sword for cloud from a specific random enemy, so i've been trying to steel it all weekend, only to hear and see my friend laughing hard about it on monday morning that it was just a joke of him. Still love thieves tho.
I miss those pre internet gaming. Finding out everything yourself, joke or not XD
I love the thief's in the series!! I'm hoping we have a new one in XVI!
Dude I love your videos definitely relit a old flame I’m all about these games again thank you 🙏
"Say the line, Final Fantasy Union!"
"...meant that the version of the job we saw in FFXI was the most comprehensive yet..."
"YAAAAAAAY!"
I started to like them later on in the series. At first I didn't.. but they grown on me. The extra speed really help out in some battles
Is there a reason you skipped FF XII and FFXII: TZA? While there wasn't a specific Thief job class, Vaan, Balthier and Fran all start with the Steal ability; also, the mechanics of Loot and Weapons stealing were frustrating and fun at the same time. A disappointing omission😔
This. Also, Shikari is literally the Zodiac Age version of Thief job, complete with all of its characteristics.
Excellent vid. Love to see my fav job getting the spotlight.
you could say Ninja "Steals" the spotlight for the class, which to be honest may be dying beacuse of its name, future games may just call them Rouge
thief, as in many setting, when used properly--
is integral to controlling the flow of combat in FFXI and D&D/Pathfinder when played correctly
I thought yuffie starts with throw
I hated stealing in FF9. You basically had to in order to keep up with the best weapons, but it made battles last forever.
I mean, it's entirely optional, but yeah I agree, ruins some boss fights for me
That’s what happens when you make the Thief the main character
I just used the mug skill after a certain point.
You know you don't need the best weapons right. Especially when you can get them later anyways
Off-topic, but I still have a crush on Rinoa and Quistis despite being in my 30s.
Welcome to your 40's too! Lol!
Yuna was my Final Fantasy crush... maybe still is
You’re not alone 😂
Lu lu and Tiffa too😍
I still have a crush on Terra… all 50 pixels of her
THF was my favorite original class in FFXI online. Sneak attack and trick attack was a very enjoyable party dynamic combo considering the lack of solo options during the earlier years of the title. I enjoyed the added crafting mats when solo farming with the thief class. FFXI online was such an excellent game in so many ways. It felt overwhelmingly massive, I don't ever get that feeling with games these days. They all seem small and linear. Squeenix nailed the fun factor with that game. I would like to see a full update and remake of FFXI online without all the crazy updates, auction house economy and another dedicated solo class option.
Locke is still my guy to this day!
I see u havnt made one of these in ages, which is totally understandable there really enjoyable to watch they must take U tones of time to make
But on the off chance ur just putting it on pause, bro I'm sure a TON of us would love to see samurai and berserker. Hell I just wana watch U do all of them
Hope U have a good one
that shirt @ 1:17 is sick
I really loved having thief or steal command because how much rare items can only obtained by stealing
8 Bit Theater's thief is one of my spirit animals.
ok so in ff8 you dont really have thief class but i always thought about draw as stealing magic and make selphie my thief cuz she uses draw in a cutscene, her ultimate weapon also has 255 hit and diablos has mug and hit junction so i think theres some relation there to me.
15:15 "...which saw the green color scheme return for male characters, and a purple color scheme now adopted for female characters..."
A correction here: green is the player party's thief palette, and purple is the enemy thief palette; every job's palettes are reversed for enemies, green/purple, red/blue, yellow/orange. Gender is unrelated. (although Adelle in Tactics A2 does have a pink/purple color scheme)
The thief job ended with Zidane. There is no more legendary way to end the thief job that what Zidane clearly states: After all only he could:
Beseech the wondrous moonlight, to grant him his only wish, to bring his beloved Dagger to him.
Great video as always. Some ideas for other classes u could do is Ninja, Samurai, Summoner, or Bard.
Because of my Dexterity and Dual Wielding in FFIII it was my strongest job under Ingus. Melted the endgame first try!
The best thief from final fantasi franchise is Zidane tribal FF 9
Sorry but Locke isnt a thief. He's a "treasure hunter" hehe
Yuffie joins with the Throw materia, not the Steal materia.
"Its star may not have raised as highly as White Mage, or Monk."
To be fair; that is part of Theifs shtick, never sticking too long in the limelight, and doing their best work under everyone's radar :v
I'm glade the finally did the thief
20:57 "New Text Line"😅😂😂
Counter point on FFIV not having any character associated with thief. In this game, some jobs were combined on characters. Prominent examples include Archer/WHM to Rosa, WHM/SMN to Rydia, and WHM/BLM to Fusoya.
I always felt that Edgar was a BRD/THF. Like you said yourself, thieves have always had a perceived cowardice and Edgar did have access to a "hide" command. Hide is very prominent for thieves in many games... D&D most notably.
Edward. Edgar is from VI :)
What about an episode about the Machinist! Love the video ❤
Congratulations on the 260K subs!
No mention of Vaan? Balthier? XII as whole? But Yuffie gets a mention?
Just one simple request, will you ever make an Evolution of Beastmaster video?
Zidane and Locke are arguably my most favorite thieves in FF....sorry, I meant treasure hunter for Locke
Zidane is the best thief ever!!!!
Locke, is also a valid choice...;)
Final Fantasy Tactics Thief blows all other thief in the FF Series out of the water. With high speed, he can easily strip enemy of everything they are wearing, which no other thief can do. And leveling up as thief will perma increase speed with a small margin.
I always like to compare how thirves in FF and DQ games both evolved and differed from game to game.
Saw Yuffie @1:00. It reminded me how overpowered she was if you invested into her with stat increase with morph farming. Her ultimate is overpowered and is a secondary Omnislash.
Basically the best looking person is the thief 🤪 explains why I am always the rogue
Good for you for correcting yourself by not calling Locke the T word
Yuffie's not a thief, she's a ninja
I really want to know. Why in the blue dickens do you always ignore Chocobo's dungeon 2? Does the team just hate the game or is it because the tittle didn't include Final Fantasy?
Thieves in turnbased battle systems almost always make me wish for positioning systems as backstabs seem like such a natural fit. I guess Bravely Default 2 tried to kind of simulate this with techniques revolving around sleep. It *did* end up having one of the most effective thief classes in the job's history, but not because of these sleep skills. Instead, Godspeed Strike (an attack based on speed that deals damage once and then again a bit later) had such ridiculous damage scaling that it was possible to burst down bosses with just that move alone.
Those sleep skills were ESPECIALLY useful against the FINAL ASTERISK HOLDER since you could put them to sleep (Mastered Phantom meet sub job Salve-maker and ALWAYS landing sleep) and safely take them out with physical attacks without waking them! Especially since they heal every turn and in the Hall of Tribulations FUCKING AUTO FULL REVIVE if killed earlier and the battle is not over in a few rounds!
But can they escape the wrath of the Shop Keeper Koholint? 🤔
Stealing from him ultimately means death - absolute!
Please please please do a video about the elements in all FF games
I really want to see the evolution of chocobo
really love this kind of content, keep doing it!
Kinda surprised you didn't mention the thief's ability to use lock picks in FFXI. Not something that was super useful...especially in the current build of the game...but it did allow them to bypass hunting for keys in the first place in most instances and it was something no other job could do.
Please consider Evolution of:
Ramah
Biggs and Wedge
Bard/Dance
Titan
Chocobo
Can we get an "Evolution of Summoner" sometime?
Yesss my favourite ffvi character locke is on her and even my favourite ffVII girl yuffie is on here because I love yuffie Kisaragi, I would love to see a origin on locke Cole from ffvi one day.
I think a lot of the development of thief in more modern media has been subsumed into the idea of an assassin from a dps perspective. I think single class paradigm are spent and the main sub tertiary design of war of the visions does a good job of diversifying the idea of thief as a tool that one has as opposed to the identity of a persona Locke and zidane do a great job of this.
Correction. Yuffie isn’t a thief. She’s a ninja that takes things.
Yuffie never join with steal materia but instead comes equipped with trow materia
The DS version of FF3, yeah at high job levels using certain weapons, they can MURDER enemies due to the insane number of hits they can get.
my favorite job in tacticts Advance is thief and archer. The hero party is just a group of bandit who blinding people and strip their clothes and gil before leaving (right in front of the judge). oh, and you have helmet and accessory we take it too.
or whm and 1 other over leveled character to constantly heal enemy who hit the overleveled character for high exp and steal it later to farm level easy. constantly healing enemy and reviving the K.O. just to take the exp again (1 battle can last for eternity).
yeah we are the hero party. here to save (ruins) the world. best isekai experience
Now I'm wondering how much you could get out of a Ninja focused one, since there's overlap already here.
Tbh most of the skills listed as evolutions for the class in FFXI were staples from the archetype in other MMOs of the time such as EQ, WoW and Guild Wars.
Matter of fact Guild Wars 2 still has my favorite take on the archetype and is the only game that really managed to fully integrate its theme in its gameplay.
Wait, didn't FFXI come out before Guild Wars and especially before WoW?
If anything the bigger references would have been EQ and Ultima as well as single player rpgs from the time.
@@sebastiancintron29 Yeah you're right, in my mind always thought FFXI came out after WoW, it came before in March 2004 while WoW released in November 2004.
But still EQ and DnD had most of the FFXI Thief/Rogue mecanics already :p.
After how well they took advantage of the 3D real-time environment in XI with Thief, I was really disappointed to see XIV's iteration wasn't even a full job and lacked all of the fun utility like enmity control and treasure hunting that its XI counterpart has.
Sneak Attack > Trick Attack FTW!
It's a *real* comprehensive guide when you see ffbe :0
Locke is a TEASURE HUNTER not. Thief
Fantastic stuff as always Team FFU!
Soooo im calling it now Zidane is the Best Thief (haven't started watching yet)