I went down the "hyper speed" rabbit hole myself years ago. 257 STW. 4019 fps. Not that fast compared to this, but that was slinging a 100 gr Nosler BT.
Wait until you see the proposed US8291828B2 patent aka Glasser HVAP. Calculations made by a fren suggested a 7.62x51mm designed with a multiple-stage projectile like the Alan Glasser patent could go up to 6,000 fps.
I also broke 4k with the 257 shooting times westerner with the noslers! I had a 30in barrel. I typically ran it at 3925. It will destroy ar500 1/2" steel at 100 yards, lol.
The craziest cartridge and bullet combo i have seen and so wanted to try was a .50BMG cartridge with a sabot .30 caliber bullet of about 230 grain weight. The estimated velocity was about 5050-5150fps if i remember correctly.
Just to note to new reloaders, Most serious shooters don't use sabot rifle rounds due to poor or inconsistent accuracy. The reported problem appear to be that the sabots do not separate from the projectiles in a consistent manor which effects stability and thus accuracy.
You're correct. I realized once I watched this video live that, in the editing process, I inadvertently cut out a little section where I said the accuracy on these rounds was horrible.
But still fun as hell! Recreational shooters like all of us are kids at ❤️ heart. Love shooting fast bullets and seeing what they can do. Giggle sticks. Keeps me young.😂
Swedes are getting 0.698 inch 5 shot groups in their Arctic Warfare 27 inch bolt guns at 100 yards with saboted 6 gram (92.6 grain) 0.19 caliber saboted tungsten projectiles. 1,260 m/s muzzle velocity (4,133.808 fps). From .308 Winchester. This led me to the understanding that an Ackley Improved .338 Federal cartridge can get 4,300 fps from a 20 inch barreled .308-chambered platform. Slightly modified. 3,698 ft/lbs. Same ft/lbs as the 190 grain 2,960 fps 'Navy load' for 24" barreled .300 Winchester Magnums. Looked into things a little bit. #Ihaveahighschooleducation 💀♠️🎯
My first thought was a 220 Swift, 22-250, 224 Weatherby with 35 grain bullets or a 204 Ruger with 24 grains, and bonus it might have been easier to get readings early, should have been in the 4400 range I believe. Also, the same technology that gave us Remington Accelerators, I've seen 308 and 30-06 loadings before, but not 300 Win Mag. Still awesome!
I have a huge love hate relationship with the Labradar! As you said, after getting the external trigger, it fixed all the reading errors. Only downside is that sometimes while cycling the bolt, the external trigger will move enough to tell the Labradar that a round was fired and it will again give an error. Frustrating to say the least.
To be fair, the Magnetospeed Sporter is only $250, and you can get a stock/chassis mount for the regular Magnetospeed that eliminates the weight on the barrel issue
When its a blue bird sky like that, its usually difficult to get a reading on chronos, I take a black sharpie marker to my range when I do load development and color the bullets black, makes a huge difference and rarely get a false or missed reading on the chrono
I used to shoot the Remington Accelerator 55gr 30.06 loads. My largest buck (taken between Duschesne and Soldier Summit in Utah) was taken by one. Glad to have found the source for “Accelerator sabots”! Thanks for that, Jim 👍
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I never tried to shoot past 100 yards, accurately. Back in those days I was shooting an old FN 1935 Mauser 30.06, and never tried accuracy. But I’d like to do some testing with my .308 and test it, now
@4:08 You said you haven't changed your settings yet on the Labradar and you got a reading from the hunting rifle. That explains why you didn't get a reading from the pistol earlier -- the Labradar has selectable speed ranges (handgun, rifle, archery) that correspond to 600 fps to 1600 fps, 1600 fps to 3900 fps, and 66 fps to 600 fps, respectively. You also need to set the distance between the barrel and Labradar correctly (6", 12", 18").
Concerning accuracy testing and velocity testing at the same time with the Magneto Speed or Sporter. Yes you can, you can buy system to mount them via a picatinny or arca rail on the stock of the rifle. So, you see no POI change. I bought one of the first models out, but it was rather bulky. I, then, built a few of them which are rather lightweight and not bulky at all.
I’ll head further down the Labradar rabbit hole before I switch to FX, so just purchased a Piet Recoil Trigger. And I always thought it was just my setup causing the wasted ammo. Thanks for the great channel, keep it up.
I’ve heard that the US military experimented with squeeze bore rifles back in the 1930’s, squeezing .30 cal down to .22 cal. If I recall correctly, they achieved velocity’s of around 7,500 fps, which is just nuts. Source: heard it on a Chieftains Hatch Q&A video
My thoughts on this. The gasses of smokeless firearm powder achieves a maximum of 5,000 fps. There fore No projectile from a rifled barrel is going to exceed that. Wildcat cartridges have been played with since the invention of the brass cased cartridge. 4,000 fps is pretty much maximum in bullet speed, no matter the size or powder behind it. At that speed a bullet not designed for it will turn to powder in midair. And I'm calling B.S, on the 4,600 fps this guy's claiming.
@@billp3337he M829A1 round fired by the M1 Abrams tank has a muzzle velocity of 5,150fps. While I know this is a slightly different animal than a shoulder fired rifle cartridge, it does demonstrate the types of velocities reliably generated with a saboted round. I don't know if you can call "BS."
Cartridges of the world mentions Roy Weatherby taking a round past 6k fps while working on something with for the military.....Cartridges of the world 17
@@coltonholiday4872 Exactly. Ive pushed the 22-250 Ackley past the 4700 mark. The 22-243 Ackley was capable of 5400-5700 but no bullet tested would hold together, and we tried everything.
There was a "verified load" for 22-243 Middlestead on Reloaders Nest back in the day that had been recorded over 1 mile per second with a 30 gain bullet. 22-250 AI was also over 5000 fps but I don't think it cracked a mile.
I remember when the factory Accelerator saboted cartridges came out many years ago, particularly in the 30-06 with the 55 grain bullet. I think it got around 4000 fps. Not sure of the accuracy...
I shot a bunch of them about 30ish years ago. Accuracy was not great. I thought I could snipe woodchuck from the next field over, but they did not perform. I ended up just keeping them for display because they still look really cool.
Higher cartridge pressure and faster bullets do NOT burn barrels. I really wish people would learn this. What burns barrels is unburnt powder burning down the barrel. The old way of making bullets faster was to use a slower burning powder so you turn the barrel into a combustion chamber. The new 80,000 psi military round Sig developed will not burn barrels because the powder burns quicker in the case. That is why they can pair it with a 13” barrel and get better than .308 performance. Moreover, how fast copper slides over steel will never hurt the steel. Copper is too soft to damage the barrel.
i usually testfire with my springer air rifle to be sure that the chronograph is working. if a labradar needs more sound use a 22lr. when you have limited amounts of handloads to test you dont want errors, and when you test the expensive cartridges.
The problems with sabot in comercial small arms are that they are cup sabot (occupied powder space) and that they are typically shot with inappropriate twist rate meant for heavier bullet (since they are usually loaded with very light bullet). Of course, there is also accuracy issue from how sabot separate from the bullet too. It would be really cool if someone design better small arm sabot
Brother had a Sako in 30-378 with a 26" bbl and did max loads with a fast powder and 22 caliber sabots firing 40 gr ballistic tips. Too bad we didn't have a chronograph to see what velocity they were getting, but I guarantee it was FAST!
I just bought allow the labradar and regretting it now, it is not user-friendly and if the wind blows a blade of grass or a bird flies by, at the same time as your shot it will not register.
Back in the 80s they were called accelerator. I don't even remember the 308 and 30 ought 6. I believe the selling point at the time was your deer rifle for varmints.
22-243 middlestead was recorded at 5278 rifled. The weatherby never made 5000iirc. I thought he got in the neighborhood of 4700, and that was smoothbore
Page 114 in cartridges of the world, volume 17....says working on a project for the military Roy weatherby produced speeds exceeding 6000fps with the 30-378
I HAVE A CHALLENGE FOR YOU: 3D print a sabot for .50BMG and put a 7.62mm bullet in the sabot, the most long, graceful, smooth, streamlined, boat-tailed bullet (solid copper if you can get it) in the universe. You will need smaller-grain powder to make sure the burn keeps up with the speed of the projectile, or you will be chucking lots of unburned cordite out the end of your barrel due to the mv being over a mile per second. Use cordite tuned in grain size for a 15-20 inch barrel. You will NOT build up excessive chamber pressure, because the super-light sabot and bullet will move far down the barrel much faster than a much-fatter and much-heavier .50BMG. Heck, step right up and put it in a 48" barrel actual .50BMG barrel! Don't worry about insufficient bullet stability, as the bullet at 5280fps will be turning FAR faster than the normal .50 BMG round! Maybe use a mix of normal, large-grain .50BMG powder and smaller-grain shorter-barrel powder. Will you originate and execute the world's first 1 MILE PER SECOND challenge? Imagine the insane accuracy of a bullet that crosses 1000 yards in about 0.6 seconds. You may need a specially-shaped super-long-ogive bullet to ensure you comply with area rule better than a normal-ogive bullet. Imagine a bullet that, if fired straight level, will only fall 62.5 inches in 1000 yards. A benchrest-shooting revolution! That is approximately 108,000 g forces of acceleration. You may need a super-rigid alloy for the bullet You will only have 0.00075 seconds to burn the entire powder charge if you want it burned entirely by about halfway up the barrel.. What powders do you know that will burn at that rate? The FACT is that two-mile sniping is only not done because people have been too lazy to advance the science, just like we could have had 747's in the garden of Eden, but, alas.
Why would we use averages in this comparison? I would expect that we would see the fastest version of each cartridge. Hornady's reloading manual has 4400 fps for .204 Ruger, 4400 for 22-250, and 4500 for 220 Swift. Back in the 1970s there was an ammo company that made a standard round that used a sabot. Their name on the box was "Accelerator" I think. Pretty sure they had one for 30-06, and maybe others.
Would love to try one of the FX chronys ...Been using a Shooting Chrony for years...not expensive and dependable. If you are a reloader you got to have a chrony of some kind. If you like most of us are trying to duplicate your favorite factory loads or in wildcats stay in the safe zone...you got to have one to see what is going on.
I consider Oehler chronographs to be "the industry standard." Ken Oehler pretty much invented the chronograph, and he continues to innovate. They're not as compact and simple to set up as the radar guns, but when you really want to know what your load is doing, Oehler is the choice.
You were having problems with radars because you were running both together. The smaller/faster bullet has a very faint reflection and they were picking up each others signal causing aliasing. Redo with one off and you should be good.
I can agree that the competition electronics prochrono DLX is super super super sensitive to varying light conditions and loves recording high readings. If I were to purchase another chronograph today it would be a magnetospeed V3 with the pic/arca rail mount to keep the magneto off of the barrel.
I know they make 30 cal bullets at least as light as 110gr. Maybe try loading a light 30 cal bullet in the 300 win mag case and see what kind of velocity you can get.
I loaded a 300 RUM with a 125, funny thing not that much faster than the 208's. Retumbo was so slow I think the bullet was breaking loose and not letting powder build. 100 Grain loads.
@@DRum886 It really wasn’t bad, to be honest. Still using that same barrel. Have around 2500 rounds through it by now. It’s a varmint gun, as all of my firearms are for hunting purposes, so it only sees a couple hundred rounds a year. Still shoots sub MOA with factory Hornady- haven’t hand loaded for it in about two years.
Absolutely was not guessing 300 win mag. Surely you could get something sillier with 338 LM or an even bigger cartridge though maybe the sabots don't work as well.
did you just drink all of that LEAD DUST inside of the stanley thermos you shot? !!!!! AHHHHH when you start drooling and cannot write your name... damn
Some Criticism. 1.Lab Radar is Half the Cost.($500) 2.Neither picked up the speed of 300wm sabot cartridge. (If So you never showed it.) 3.Didnt reshoot the 6.5 without the Suppressor. Loved the Premise and your Enthusiasm.
Here's another thing I'll give to the FX Outdoors: It's small and it's grey. Funny maybe, but when you show up at the range with your giant orange LabRadar chronograph, it's like driving up to McDonalds in a bright red Ferrari. Everyone thinks you're a showoff. And I totally agree about wasting ammo with the LabRadar -- I've had so many missed shot readings that sometimes I think it's broken and then all of a sudden it starts working again.
28" 9 twist 22-250 with nosler 40gr lead free bullets loaded with CFE223 and Lapua brass would go 4420fps and shoot amazingly well out to 600 yards. Drop was minimal to say the least.
Er Bulletseeker? It’s awesome, clips to your rifle, and talks to your phone via Bluetooth, non of that tripod stand and no external trigger either. Oh and if you’re interested it will work on an indoor range. You could probably clip it to a pistol as well.
Just for those of us who reload, what is the weight of the 'itty bitty' bullet? Just for for general use: My main interest in handguns (other than the historical interest in old stuff) is self defense. Velocity of a handgun round to avoid trajectory 'drop' is insignificant out to fifty yards or so. (Yes, there is drop, but insignificant as to registration in defensive situations.) Just in general, I prefer bullet weight to velocity and kinetic energy for both hunting rounds and defense rounds. Speaking to barrel life is good to hear. Really. Newer shooters need to understand this. I've had several chronographs myself. The best, most reliable and trouble free was the Chrony chronograph, not made anymore of course. I have a CED that the sensors die after a very short time and cost $36.00 (plus shipping) to replace. I have a useless LabRadar model. It will not work and the customer service tells me to lump it. To be fair, some friends have them and find them quite useful. I just looked up the FX model and it runs about a grand. I'm not likely to try one any time soon. But with your comments, I may at that.
Tell them that they need to use like an oled screen or something sunlight readable. Mirasol display maybe or e-ink since there's no need for a big refresh rate?
My Magneto speed says that a 40gr vmax from the 223 wssm will hit 4600+ fps without a sabot... about 5 shots at that speed and the barrel is fouled out to the point that you may as well stop shooting and get out the sweets or the cr-10
I've never seen an issue with accuracy on my magneto speed.... If you are cherry picking groups yes but over a significant sample size I have not personally seen a shift.
I dont have any issues using a suppressor with my labradar when increasing the sensitivity. That being said, i always use the trigger attached to my stock now instead of the mic.
Remington used to manufacture these for .30-06. If I remember correctly, it is very hard to get accurate results from these saboted bullets. Also, be aware that they may be illegal in some areas because they do not create ballistic marks on the bullet.
so u need a big heavy duty barrel that can withstand the pessure and it has to be longer then the standard under the longest rifle barrels plus a very fast burning power and a very lightweight bullet
Hey man. Fellow Maineiac here. Good work on these 300 blk casting/sizing videos. I’m up and coming with this stuff do you have any other videos that are not on RUclips? Or do you have a Patreon channel? Thanks man.
This video is total waste of time. PO Ackley did this in 1960 with the "22 EargesplittenLloudenboomer," which was a 378 Weatherby necked down to .22 calibre. Velocities were just over 5,000 fps with barrel life a couple of dozen rounds. Then we had Germany's "Paris Gun" back in 1918 during WWI that shot a 280 lb. projectile 82 miles at 5,300 fps. Barrel life was so short that the shells had to be numbered and made with slightly increasing diameter after each shot to compensate for bore wear.
Mmmmm so here's a topic for a video if you haven't already made it... At what speeds do bullet's dicinagrate at. At Cabela's ( Lehi ) a dozen + year's ago and over heard a conversation while waiting my turn at the counter.... Guy was hitting a target at 50 yds but couldn't hit anything else ( specifics I can't remember ) person behind counter asked a buch of questions and last 1 was " how fast are the bullets going ? " the said there's your problem bullets are dicinagrated just past 50 yds too fast for that bullet.
does anyone make a stock mount for that first radar you showed that the 'downside is barrel mount' ? Stock mounted radar is the solution here.. best of both worlds. Unless there is some other unforseen problem that I'm missing?
I would like to see what kind of accuracy you can get with the sabot. Remington used to sell 3006 with it. But complaints about accuracy discontinued its production. Can you reload with less powder and bring the speeds down to a comparable 2800fps.? The reason iam asking is that I have bolt rifles for larger game. But iam looking to do varmint hunting. Can I use the same big game platforms with the sabot projectile and lower powder to hunt coyote?
Really enjoyed this episode. Question?????? If someone has a 1500$ overall budget for a rifle/scope combo do you feel it’s more important to spend more cash on the optic or rifle?
At that price point both are important, I personally would lean a little more on glass, and get some good reloads that are dialed to the rifle vs off the shelf stuff. You get what you pay for, I had 3-4 "ok" to me... sub $500 scopes. Just a waste of money, chasing 0 turrets not consistent. I think Vortex is one of the best, intro value for money optics you can get before it gets to "owwwch", with Leupold March Swarovski etc.
I'd spend a bit more on the rifle. The scope only shows you where your bullet goes. Binoculars should be of higher quality for better target ID. Consider how far your longest shot will be. Under 300-ish yds, you won't need a top tier scope. Some shooters like to count eyelashes on their quarry before they turn off their lights, but it's not required. I typically use my grandfather's.30-30 with those awful, yet effective, buckhorn sights, cuz nostalgia. A friend of mine uses a Remington 700 in .308 with some 2-8x lpvo (don't recall the brand) and he has no issues to 300yds. With $1,500 to play with, you can get a lot of value and quality, the best of both worlds. Consider your task and ability (keep training nonetheless) and talk to several people to get a general consensus. Then, decide what's best for you. ✌️😎
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Can you try same with 223 rem
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Only thing about those packs, the name. Who wants to walk around with "climax" on their back?
I went down the "hyper speed" rabbit hole myself years ago. 257 STW. 4019 fps. Not that fast compared to this, but that was slinging a 100 gr Nosler BT.
Finally someone that knows ballistics.. Unlike this guy .. Nosler rules them all
40 grain noslers and 36 grain varmint grenades in 220 swift walk all over theses speeds too. I'm gonna go watch somebody that speaks our language.
Wait until you see the proposed US8291828B2 patent aka Glasser HVAP. Calculations made by a fren suggested a 7.62x51mm designed with a multiple-stage projectile like the Alan Glasser patent could go up to 6,000 fps.
still lagging behind the 22-284
I also broke 4k with the 257 shooting times westerner with the noslers! I had a 30in barrel. I typically ran it at 3925. It will destroy ar500 1/2" steel at 100 yards, lol.
The craziest cartridge and bullet combo i have seen and so wanted to try was a .50BMG cartridge with a sabot .30 caliber bullet of about 230 grain weight. The estimated velocity was about 5050-5150fps if i remember correctly.
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I have about 800 , 50 bmg sabots on hand and maybe 20 loaded and yes they will break 5000fps
Amazing if you find a bullet that will stay together at that speed and spin. Possibly solid copper.
May as well try 6.5 , 264 bullets
SLAP Rounds, they were used pretty heavily in OIF1
Just to note to new reloaders, Most serious shooters don't use sabot rifle rounds due to poor or inconsistent accuracy. The reported problem appear to be that the sabots do not separate from the projectiles in a consistent manor which effects stability and thus accuracy.
You're correct. I realized once I watched this video live that, in the editing process, I inadvertently cut out a little section where I said the accuracy on these rounds was horrible.
But still fun as hell! Recreational shooters like all of us are kids at ❤️ heart. Love shooting fast bullets and seeing what they can do. Giggle sticks. Keeps me young.😂
Swedes are getting 0.698 inch 5 shot groups in their Arctic Warfare 27 inch bolt guns at 100 yards with saboted 6 gram (92.6 grain) 0.19 caliber saboted tungsten projectiles.
1,260 m/s muzzle velocity (4,133.808 fps).
From .308 Winchester.
This led me to the understanding that an Ackley Improved .338 Federal cartridge can get 4,300 fps from a 20 inch barreled .308-chambered platform.
Slightly modified.
3,698 ft/lbs.
Same ft/lbs as the 190 grain 2,960 fps 'Navy load' for 24" barreled .300 Winchester Magnums.
Looked into things a little bit.
#Ihaveahighschooleducation
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Winchester .243 Hornady Superformance 58G do 4000FPS. That is a screaming varmint load!
This was incredible! Pretty sure this is the fastest bullet ive ever seen fired! Absolutely outstanding video!
Thank you! I was kind of nervous that this video would be too random. Glad you liked it.
My first thought was a 220 Swift, 22-250, 224 Weatherby with 35 grain bullets or a 204 Ruger with 24 grains, and bonus it might have been easier to get readings early, should have been in the 4400 range I believe. Also, the same technology that gave us Remington Accelerators, I've seen 308 and 30-06 loadings before, but not 300 Win Mag. Still awesome!
Agreed.
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shoot this rounds but his velocity was under some 22s as I remember.
next is 50 bmg?? What kind of rifle barrel can be made to achieve these insane speeds? This should be an entire new class of sporting!
I have a huge love hate relationship with the Labradar! As you said, after getting the external trigger, it fixed all the reading errors. Only downside is that sometimes while cycling the bolt, the external trigger will move enough to tell the Labradar that a round was fired and it will again give an error. Frustrating to say the least.
Ive had a good old caldwel ballistics chronograph for years and it works really good.
Same here. Been reliable for me, and the numbers I get always line up with my drops at distance.
To be fair, the Magnetospeed Sporter is only $250, and you can get a stock/chassis mount for the regular Magnetospeed that eliminates the weight on the barrel issue
When its a blue bird sky like that, its usually difficult to get a reading on chronos, I take a black sharpie marker to my range when I do load development and color the bullets black, makes a huge difference and rarely get a false or missed reading on the chrono
That won't work with these two, these use Doppler radar.
I used to shoot the Remington Accelerator 55gr 30.06 loads. My largest buck (taken between Duschesne and Soldier Summit in Utah) was taken by one.
Glad to have found the source for “Accelerator sabots”! Thanks for that, Jim 👍
Did you ever have accuracy issues? That seems to be a common trend with sabots in rifle cartridges.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I never tried to shoot past 100 yards, accurately. Back in those days I was shooting an old FN 1935 Mauser 30.06, and never tried accuracy.
But I’d like to do some testing with my .308 and test it, now
Buddy used to shoot groundhogs with them, about 1 moa
@4:08 You said you haven't changed your settings yet on the Labradar and you got a reading from the hunting rifle. That explains why you didn't get a reading from the pistol earlier -- the Labradar has selectable speed ranges (handgun, rifle, archery) that correspond to 600 fps to 1600 fps, 1600 fps to 3900 fps, and 66 fps to 600 fps, respectively. You also need to set the distance between the barrel and Labradar correctly (6", 12", 18").
Concerning accuracy testing and velocity testing at the same time with the Magneto Speed or Sporter. Yes you can, you can buy system to mount them via a picatinny or arca rail on the stock of the rifle. So, you see no POI change. I bought one of the first models out, but it was rather bulky. I, then, built a few of them which are rather lightweight and not bulky at all.
I’ll head further down the Labradar rabbit hole before I switch to FX, so just purchased a Piet Recoil Trigger. And I always thought it was just my setup causing the wasted ammo. Thanks for the great channel, keep it up.
I’ve heard that the US military experimented with squeeze bore rifles back in the 1930’s, squeezing .30 cal down to .22 cal. If I recall correctly, they achieved velocity’s of around 7,500 fps, which is just nuts.
Source: heard it on a Chieftains Hatch Q&A video
My thoughts on this. The gasses of smokeless firearm powder achieves a maximum of 5,000 fps. There fore No projectile from a rifled barrel is going to exceed that.
Wildcat cartridges have been played with since the invention of the brass cased cartridge. 4,000 fps is pretty much maximum in bullet speed, no matter the size or powder behind it. At that speed a bullet not designed for it will turn to powder in midair. And I'm calling B.S, on the 4,600 fps this guy's claiming.
@@billp3337he M829A1 round fired by the M1 Abrams tank has a muzzle velocity of 5,150fps. While I know this is a slightly different animal than a shoulder fired rifle cartridge, it does demonstrate the types of velocities reliably generated with a saboted round. I don't know if you can call "BS."
@@billp3337 Well, you can buy from Hornady 24 grain bullets in the 204 Ruger that are moving 4400 fps.
@@billp3337You don’t know what your talking about.
-Choose curiosity over adamancy.
@@billp3337plenty of rounds hitting around 4400
I loaded a 58 grain .243 caliber bullet in a custom sabot for 300 Weatherby Mag. I got 4,875 ft/s, and 3,060 ft-lbs of energy!
Laughed hard when you took a drink from the thermos! HA!!!!
There is a 223 wssm load that shoots 47-4800 fps.
Yup, now there's a cartridge that I had forgotten about!
4600 has been beaten quite a few times. We’ve seen the 22-243 at 4900 (disintegrating bullets). My 220 Swift AI is around 4440, not much less.
Highest load I've seen posted with 22-243 was 5278.
Pretty bananas
Cartridges of the world mentions Roy Weatherby taking a round past 6k fps while working on something with for the military.....Cartridges of the world 17
@@packerjh2 Yes, that was with the 30-378.
@@coltonholiday4872 Exactly. Ive pushed the 22-250 Ackley past the 4700 mark. The 22-243 Ackley was capable of 5400-5700 but no bullet tested would hold together, and we tried everything.
There was a "verified load" for 22-243 Middlestead on Reloaders Nest back in the day that had been recorded over 1 mile per second with a 30 gain bullet. 22-250 AI was also over 5000 fps but I don't think it cracked a mile.
22-250 AI hasn't even beat the 220 swift so I don't think that last bit is even close to right
The Middlestead load is a claimed 5287 fps so I was wrong in saying it was over a mile.
Its 7feet over.....correct?
I remember when the factory Accelerator saboted cartridges came out many years ago, particularly in the 30-06 with the 55 grain bullet. I think it got around 4000 fps. Not sure of the accuracy...
I shot a bunch of them about 30ish years ago. Accuracy was not great. I thought I could snipe woodchuck from the next field over, but they did not perform. I ended up just keeping them for display because they still look really cool.
How was accelerator accuracy
@@user-bq4du4lp1v Reviews were not good. Maybe with the correct barrel twist....
Higher cartridge pressure and faster bullets do NOT burn barrels. I really wish people would learn this.
What burns barrels is unburnt powder burning down the barrel. The old way of making bullets faster was to use a slower burning powder so you turn the barrel into a combustion chamber.
The new 80,000 psi military round Sig developed will not burn barrels because the powder burns quicker in the case. That is why they can pair it with a 13” barrel and get better than .308 performance.
Moreover, how fast copper slides over steel will never hurt the steel. Copper is too soft to damage the barrel.
i usually testfire with my springer air rifle to be sure that the chronograph is working. if a labradar needs more sound use a 22lr.
when you have limited amounts of handloads to test you dont want errors, and when you test the expensive cartridges.
Wowsers, your excitement says it all, thats blazin!
The problems with sabot in comercial small arms are that they are cup sabot (occupied powder space) and that they are typically shot with inappropriate twist rate meant for heavier bullet (since they are usually loaded with very light bullet). Of course, there is also accuracy issue from how sabot separate from the bullet too. It would be really cool if someone design better small arm sabot
Brother had a Sako in 30-378 with a 26" bbl and did max loads with a fast powder and 22 caliber sabots firing 40 gr ballistic tips. Too bad we didn't have a chronograph to see what velocity they were getting, but I guarantee it was FAST!
I’ve got a sako 22-250 best rifle ever made
Like i posted b4...cartridge of the world magazine, volume 17, page 114...says roy weather achieved speeds excess of 6000fps while testing
I just bought allow the labradar and regretting it now, it is not user-friendly and if the wind blows a blade of grass or a bird flies by, at the same time as your shot it will not register.
I love the 300 win mag. I feel like its the 1 ton truck of the gun world
Back in the 80s they were called accelerator. I don't even remember the 308 and 30 ought 6. I believe the selling point at the time was your deer rifle for varmints.
Ya missed the 17 remington in your chart 4040 with a 25gr. Bullet factory loaded by remington now by nosler
There is also the 223 wssm that does like 4800 fps lol
@@Saa45MIV I think it's around 4300 something with a 40gr bullet
We can go further, let's get a .30-.378 WBY for those sabots
The 30-378 holds the cake for velocity, Roy had it right around 5000 fps, the weatherbys are hard to beat for speed.
Just my two cent
22-243 middlestead was recorded at 5278 rifled. The weatherby never made 5000iirc. I thought he got in the neighborhood of 4700, and that was smoothbore
Page 114 in cartridges of the world, volume 17....says working on a project for the military Roy weatherby produced speeds exceeding 6000fps with the 30-378
I HAVE A CHALLENGE FOR YOU:
3D print a sabot for .50BMG and put a 7.62mm bullet in the sabot, the most long, graceful, smooth, streamlined, boat-tailed bullet (solid copper if you can get it) in the universe.
You will need smaller-grain powder to make sure the burn keeps up with the speed of the projectile, or you will be chucking lots of unburned cordite out the end of your barrel due to the mv being over a mile per second. Use cordite tuned in grain size for a 15-20 inch barrel. You will NOT build up excessive chamber pressure, because the super-light sabot and bullet will move far down the barrel much faster than a much-fatter and much-heavier .50BMG.
Heck, step right up and put it in a 48" barrel actual .50BMG barrel!
Don't worry about insufficient bullet stability, as the bullet at 5280fps will be turning FAR faster than the normal .50 BMG round!
Maybe use a mix of normal, large-grain .50BMG powder and smaller-grain shorter-barrel powder.
Will you originate and execute the world's first 1 MILE PER SECOND challenge?
Imagine the insane accuracy of a bullet that crosses 1000 yards in about 0.6 seconds. You may need a specially-shaped super-long-ogive bullet to ensure you comply with area rule better than a normal-ogive bullet.
Imagine a bullet that, if fired straight level, will only fall 62.5 inches in 1000 yards.
A benchrest-shooting revolution!
That is approximately 108,000 g forces of acceleration. You may need a super-rigid alloy for the bullet
You will only have 0.00075 seconds to burn the entire powder charge if you want it burned entirely by about halfway up the barrel.. What powders do you know that will burn at that rate?
The FACT is that two-mile sniping is only not done because people have been too lazy to advance the science, just like we could have had 747's in the garden of Eden, but, alas.
I was more so wondering if you were going to get false readings, having both of the units emitting radar right next to each other
Why would we use averages in this comparison? I would expect that we would see the fastest version of each cartridge. Hornady's reloading manual has 4400 fps for .204 Ruger, 4400 for 22-250, and 4500 for 220 Swift. Back in the 1970s there was an ammo company that made a standard round that used a sabot. Their name on the box was "Accelerator" I think. Pretty sure they had one for 30-06, and maybe others.
Would love to try one of the FX chronys ...Been using a Shooting Chrony for years...not expensive and dependable. If you are a reloader you got to have a chrony of some kind. If you like most of us are trying to duplicate your favorite factory loads or in wildcats stay in the safe zone...you got to have one to see what is going on.
I consider Oehler chronographs to be "the industry standard." Ken Oehler pretty much invented the chronograph, and he continues to innovate. They're not as compact and simple to set up as the radar guns, but when you really want to know what your load is doing, Oehler is the choice.
With proofchron.
we got our 17 Remington model 700 with a 24 inch barrel to go 5049 FPS with a 15.5 grain Hornady NTX and 27.3 grains of Hodgdon Benchmark💥
You were having problems with radars because you were running both together. The smaller/faster bullet has a very faint reflection and they were picking up each others signal causing aliasing. Redo with one off and you should be good.
Jim, there is a factory load that you missed. Hornady has a 22-250 35 gr. NTX that is rated at 4450 ft/sec
243 Winchester also has a 55grain bullet that’s smoking! Also the 17 Remington and light weight Bullets in the 22-250 Remington and any others!
Then there is the m200 intervention: 1100m/s
Did the bullet go completely through the thermos? Couldn't see from the video, but if it didn't then I would Say it stopped a speeding bullet.
Could the sabots work In a 30-378 Weatherby?
Awesome video Jim 😀
I can agree that the competition electronics prochrono DLX is super super super sensitive to varying light conditions and loves recording high readings. If I were to purchase another chronograph today it would be a magnetospeed V3 with the pic/arca rail mount to keep the magneto off of the barrel.
I think the limit on the fx is 4000fps. I'm wondering how well the fx would work at a range where you had other shooters side by side.
The labradar cons are solved by taking a moment and setting up. So hard, bro. ;)
.22 in a 50 BMG next
Got a magneto speed
That was the same day i began getting reliable first round hits out to 1k on targets around 1 moa (max range available to me)
ORRRR the bullet is exploding right after it leaves the barrel.
It may downrange, but it can at least hit the Stanley!
That is Ludicrous Speed!
We made a load for 300rum with a 110 Hornady vmax for coyotes. Sits right at 4100 fps, kills the throat on barrels though
I know they make 30 cal bullets at least as light as 110gr. Maybe try loading a light 30 cal bullet in the 300 win mag case and see what kind of velocity you can get.
I loaded a 300 RUM with a 125, funny thing not that much faster than the 208's. Retumbo was so slow I think the bullet was breaking loose and not letting powder build. 100 Grain loads.
@@anubis8680 interesting. I guess there's a reason the factory loads each round within a certain bullet weight range. Fun to experiment with though.
Someone should put a 110gr in 300 prc with 30” barrel. That’s be sweet
@@codealtf4logn779 I have a 300 PRC with a 32'' barrel and have pushed a 168g SMK to 3800 fps. I doint think a 110g would hold together
I’ve loaded some 75gr for my 300 WM to hunt prairie dogs…. It was not pleasant for them…
So what's the deal with the smaller bullet same barrel, does it have any tumbling or accuracy affects...
I’ve got a .22-250 that I used to load HOT. I averaged 4080 fps with a Hornady 50gr VMax. Hell of a varmint load…
That sounds like a barrel buster of a load.
@@DRum886 It really wasn’t bad, to be honest. Still using that same barrel. Have around 2500 rounds through it by now. It’s a varmint gun, as all of my firearms are for hunting purposes, so it only sees a couple hundred rounds a year. Still shoots sub MOA with factory Hornady- haven’t hand loaded for it in about two years.
Absolutely was not guessing 300 win mag. Surely you could get something sillier with 338 LM or an even bigger cartridge though maybe the sabots don't work as well.
There's a 50bmg necked down to 17 in the cartridges of the world reloading book...
did you just drink all of that LEAD DUST inside of the stanley thermos you shot? !!!!!
AHHHHH when you start drooling and cannot write your name... damn
Always a good day when you upload
The LabRadar is limited to 3900 fps. Found out the hard way with my 220 Swift. I can only get one recorded shot over 3900 and then errors after that.
This guys like the Doug DeMuro of the guntuber world lol he’s got so much joy in the way he talks
Some Criticism.
1.Lab Radar is Half the Cost.($500)
2.Neither picked up the speed of 300wm sabot cartridge.
(If So you never showed it.)
3.Didnt reshoot the 6.5 without the Suppressor.
Loved the Premise and your Enthusiasm.
Here's another thing I'll give to the FX Outdoors: It's small and it's grey. Funny maybe, but when you show up at the range with your giant orange LabRadar chronograph, it's like driving up to McDonalds in a bright red Ferrari. Everyone thinks you're a showoff. And I totally agree about wasting ammo with the LabRadar -- I've had so many missed shot readings that sometimes I think it's broken and then all of a sudden it starts working again.
Love the Aladdin reference haha
Glad someone caught it :-)
28" 9 twist 22-250 with nosler 40gr lead free bullets loaded with CFE223 and Lapua brass would go 4420fps and shoot amazingly well out to 600 yards. Drop was minimal to say the least.
For $999 would definitely go for the LongShot Bulletseaker (Speedtracker Chronograph) for sure
Er Bulletseeker? It’s awesome, clips to your rifle, and talks to your phone via Bluetooth, non of that tripod stand and no external trigger either. Oh and if you’re interested it will work on an indoor range. You could probably clip it to a pistol as well.
Just for those of us who reload, what is the weight of the 'itty bitty' bullet?
Just for for general use: My main interest in handguns (other than the historical interest in old stuff) is self defense. Velocity of a handgun round to avoid trajectory 'drop' is insignificant out to fifty yards or so. (Yes, there is drop, but insignificant as to registration in defensive situations.) Just in general, I prefer bullet weight to velocity and kinetic energy for both hunting rounds and defense rounds.
Speaking to barrel life is good to hear. Really. Newer shooters need to understand this.
I've had several chronographs myself. The best, most reliable and trouble free was the Chrony chronograph, not made anymore of course. I have a CED that the sensors die after a very short time and cost $36.00 (plus shipping) to replace. I have a useless LabRadar model. It will not work and the customer service tells me to lump it. To be fair, some friends have them and find them quite useful. I just looked up the FX model and it runs about a grand. I'm not likely to try one any time soon. But with your comments, I may at that.
Tell them that they need to use like an oled screen or something sunlight readable.
Mirasol display maybe or e-ink since there's no need for a big refresh rate?
22-284 with a 15gr monolithic bullet and 50 grains of 4227 powder is hypersonic. Please do a build. I'm sure Gavintoob will help you with a barrel
My Magneto speed says that a 40gr vmax from the 223 wssm will hit 4600+ fps without a sabot... about 5 shots at that speed and the barrel is fouled out to the point that you may as well stop shooting and get out the sweets or the cr-10
Wish you would have used a .204 Ruger. I think that cartridge needs more love
DOES THE FX GIVE VELOCITIES AT DIFFERENT DISTANCES SO WE CAN FIGURE BC'S ? LIKE THE LABRADAR DOES.
Yes
I've never seen an issue with accuracy on my magneto speed.... If you are cherry picking groups yes but over a significant sample size I have not personally seen a shift.
I dont have any issues using a suppressor with my labradar when increasing the sensitivity.
That being said, i always use the trigger attached to my stock now instead of the mic.
Remington used to manufacture these for .30-06. If I remember correctly, it is very hard to get accurate results from these saboted bullets. Also, be aware that they may be illegal in some areas because they do not create ballistic marks on the bullet.
What would ballistics marks matter? They would need a rifle to compare it against
so u need a big heavy duty barrel that can withstand the pessure and it has to be longer then the standard under the longest rifle barrels plus a very fast burning power and a very lightweight bullet
One would think military snipers would sometimes use custom, hyper-fast bullets to reduce the chance of their target moving out of the bullet path.
I have number of saboted 30 cal AP bullets loaded in 30-'06. They Chonograph at 3850-3900 fps.😢 In a 300 PRC I guess they'd push 4,100+ fps.
“gotta be very careful with these”and he proceeds to throw it on the ground
Need to send Taofledermaus one of those chronos to try.
We need this on Ballistic High-Speed!
My 220 swift with skinny boys rips but I Normally run 75gr amax that are moly coated.
👽Why did you leave out .243 Win.with a 55gr. bullet from Buffalo Bore? They have it in stock and it's like 4200 FPS.
Hmm.
My 22-250 with Hornady superformance clocks in at 4466
Have you tried a Bulletseeker chrono? As good as a Labradar but teeny tiny. No faffing about with tripods etc.
Back in the day you could buy 30-06 rounds with a 22 caliber bullet! I think they where called Accelerators!
Hey man. Fellow Maineiac here. Good work on these 300 blk casting/sizing videos. I’m up and coming with this stuff do you have any other videos that are not on RUclips? Or do you have a Patreon channel? Thanks man.
This video is total waste of time. PO Ackley did this in 1960 with the "22 EargesplittenLloudenboomer," which was a 378 Weatherby necked down to .22 calibre. Velocities were just over 5,000 fps with barrel life a couple of dozen rounds. Then we had Germany's "Paris Gun" back in 1918 during WWI that shot a 280 lb. projectile 82 miles at 5,300 fps. Barrel life was so short that the shells had to be numbered and made with slightly increasing diameter after each shot to compensate for bore wear.
Pls hw much of tikka t3x varmit.223
Mmmmm so here's a topic for a video if you haven't already made it...
At what speeds do bullet's dicinagrate at.
At Cabela's ( Lehi ) a dozen + year's ago and over heard a conversation while waiting my turn at the counter....
Guy was hitting a target at 50 yds but couldn't hit anything else ( specifics I can't remember ) person behind counter asked a buch of questions and last 1 was " how fast are the bullets going ? " the said there's your problem bullets are dicinagrated just past 50 yds too fast for that bullet.
What about trying some 40gr or 36 gr 22.250 bullets. Hornady makes a 36 gr 22.250 taht apparently reaches 4500 fps without the 300winmag case + sabot
22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer the perfect round for this test
One of your biggest problems is that the powder’s burning gas expansion speeds are less than 5500 fps
This is not a new thing. I'm old can't remember correctly but you could get the old 3006 with a sabot plastic and a 90 to 100 gr. Bullet.
does anyone make a stock mount for that first radar you showed that the 'downside is barrel mount' ? Stock mounted radar is the solution here.. best of both worlds. Unless there is some other unforseen problem that I'm missing?
I would like to see what kind of accuracy you can get with the sabot. Remington used to sell 3006 with it. But complaints about accuracy discontinued its production. Can you reload with less powder and bring the speeds down to a comparable 2800fps.?
The reason iam asking is that I have bolt rifles for larger game. But iam looking to do varmint hunting. Can I use the same big game platforms with the sabot projectile and lower powder to hunt coyote?
Really enjoyed this episode.
Question?????? If someone has a 1500$ overall budget for a rifle/scope combo do you feel it’s more important to spend more cash on the optic or rifle?
Balance of both
For 1500 you could get away with a 50/50 split.
At that price point both are important, I personally would lean a little more on glass, and get some good reloads that are dialed to the rifle vs off the shelf stuff. You get what you pay for, I had 3-4 "ok" to me... sub $500 scopes. Just a waste of money, chasing 0 turrets not consistent. I think Vortex is one of the best, intro value for money optics you can get before it gets to "owwwch", with Leupold March Swarovski etc.
Weatherby vanguard is $600, trijicon ascent is $900. Best scope and best rifle for $1500
I'd spend a bit more on the rifle. The scope only shows you where your bullet goes. Binoculars should be of higher quality for better target ID.
Consider how far your longest shot will be. Under 300-ish yds, you won't need a top tier scope. Some shooters like to count eyelashes on their quarry before they turn off their lights, but it's not required.
I typically use my grandfather's.30-30 with those awful, yet effective, buckhorn sights, cuz nostalgia. A friend of mine uses a Remington 700 in .308 with some 2-8x lpvo (don't recall the brand) and he has no issues to 300yds.
With $1,500 to play with, you can get a lot of value and quality, the best of both worlds.
Consider your task and ability (keep training nonetheless) and talk to several people to get a general consensus. Then, decide what's best for you.
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Hi from Australia , really like your channel , BUT what about the 17 Rem for the fastest cartridge .