Honda Power Steering Fluid Change
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- ManClub is back with a short DIY on how to change the power steering fluid in a Honda vehicle. The method shown is straight out of the Honda Maintenance manual. The procedure is performed on a 2009 Honda Accord, but was previously performed on a 2007 Honda Element and the procedure was identical.
Back in the 70's (when Detroit couldn't build ANYTHING that ran) I was a journeyman mechanic for each of the big 3. So now I'm old and crabby and haven't been under the hood for many years. We have a 2001 Accord with 104k on it and last night I noticed a whine coming from the p/s pump. I, for one, thank you for sharing your video. Don't listen to the rude, obnoxious comments. If they're so great at repairs then take the time and make your own video. Oh, wait... that involves doing something for someone else. And then where would they get the time to make ass wiping comments? A lot of us appreciate your time. I may do the job a little bit differently, but at least you gave me some good pointers.
This is the most thorough and non hick way i've seen on youtube to do this.
A good tip would be to plug the return in the reservoir then put a funnel in the top to keep new fluid constantly going into reservoir and never letting it go dry. You keep adding new fluid as the pump sucks it out and you stop adding when the fluid in the waste bottle goes clear. Have 5 bottles opened and ready to QUICKLY add into reservoir.
May I suggest capping the return on the power steering fluid reservoir and add fluid to completely fill the reservoir. Next run the engine and remove all the old fluid as your video indicates. Be certain to turn the rack lock to lock once or twice. Keep an eye on the reservoir and keep it topped off. Have an assistant stop the engine as necessary and make certain you do not run the reservoir dry. This method may take a bit more fluid, however, you do not run the pump dry and you don't introduce air in the system. I know the system will self bleed, however, I am more concerned with running the pump dry and what damage might be done to the pump. Remove the hose running to your waste bottle and reconnect the return hose to the power steering fluid reservoir. You do not need to cover the return connector if you are careful and add fluid as it is depleted. The key is not to run the reservoir completely dry and introduce air.
I use this method and I seem to get a better flush from the power steering rack and I don't have to spend several minutes getting all the air out of the system. I hope this helps.
Good to go! For Honda to do it they quoted me $99. I bought 3 bottles of Honda Power steering fluid and a small plastic line + clamp. All under $20. Thank you for your video. I am handy but I like to see it done first. :)
My pump was making horrid sounds on my 2001 Honda accord, not gonna lie. I really messed it up too, It was running pretty much empty then I made the mistake of adding a non-honda fluid and that made it worse, The pump ran pretty much empty for a few days too. Then I did exactly what was told in this video with the right fluid and everything works perfect again, Im honestly surprised the pump took all that abuse. But really- This tutorial is good and id recommend following the instructions. Worked great.
I just changed my power steering myself today. Your instruction saved me much needed cash. I wish you a great year. Please continue
Done! I used your procedure with the addition of a detail from several comments. I had the front on jacks. After the fluid was pumped out by the engine..... with the engine OFF, I moved the wheels left and right 3-4 times. I was surprised at the volume of fluid the continued to drain out. I think this reduces the requirement to remove the fluid 'heel' with repeated fills and drains. Only other deviation: I couldn't find a bean can... used peach can, instead. THANKS!
I've seen similar process done on a Toyota. One difference was that the Toyota was not running when the steering wheel was turned. The car was placed on jack stands and the steering wheel was turned with the key turned to on, but car not running. Power steering fluid was still pumped out. I am guessing that this should work on a Honda as well. If so, it may be a little safer since you are not running the car with it up on jack stands. Thanks for the video.
Great video! Thank you for posting. One thing you didn't note that you really should have is that the power steering "flush" sold by many garages is just the mechanic taking a turkey baster, sucking out the reservoir, and filling it back up. The extra thorough work done by you method often isn't done. I followed your procedure to the letter and was amazed at the black gunk that came out.
Nice tutorial. Being an engineer myself and having worked on cars for over 25 years, the only thing I'd do differently is to make sure the pump never runs dry, not even for a second (I don't care what Honda procedure says). Its easy to do as follows:
1. Vacuum out the reservoir with a banister, clean it and fill with clean fluid
2. Connect the pump discharge to a container
3. Remove ignition fuse or spark plugs leads so that the engine can't start
4. Crank the engine and do this whole activity in a very controlled way as the engine won't start and will be turning 400-500 rpm with the starter.
As for the Honda recommended procedure, these are the guys who have not been able to fix their auto transmissions since 1998!! Search the net and you will get details.
Wow, a well written, objective comment with constructive advice on an alternate way to change the PS fluid.
It's like a breath of fresh air.
ManClubAustin Thanks. I saw a couple of previous comments and was left speechless, instead of being appreciative of your nice tutorial there were some very nasty comments.
ManClubAustin Hi i am having lancer 95, My steering is little bit stiff. My fluid is new one. However, the steering is not so stiff, but not smooth as it should be. What may the reason. Fluid level is full and no leaks and PS pump belt is tight enough
Good video!! Thanks a lot for sharing. Few things would like to add as per my own experience while changing PS fluid for Honda Pilot 2006/AWD. First off the 3/8' OD tube(Home Depot/white) seemed a bit smaller so i ended up using just the empty bean container, crank up, collect the oil, turn off the car, empty the container into a big container, repeat. Also i used jacks to lift up the front to be able to easily turn the wheels. There was not a whole lot of space available and was hard to tilt the reservoir to get all the old oil out so ended up completely detaching both tubes and taking whole reservoir out. Bought 5x12 oz original Honda PS fluid from dealership (recommended) and used only 2+1/4, color was still a not to clear though, keeping the rest of the oil, might change it again in the near future. It is high mileage car, and did not have time to repeat the whole procedure again. Results are satisfactory..
Thanks for adding to the experience.
Thanks a lot for making the informative video and for sharing it. The sheer number of positive comments is testimonial your video has been very popular. I have learned a lot from your demonstration and some other viewers' suggestions. Thank you again for your great efforts and valuable information. Your style is personable too.
Very simple and informative, not only technical one but also mentioned precautionary measures while doing job. Thanks
Directions were spot on, thank you! Your donation to helping other Honda owners is very much appreciated!
Thank you for this walkthrough. I'm going to be picking up an 06-08 Civic EX coupe within the next couple months and I'm planning on doing this and the brake fluid as soon as I get it. I've usually only replaced the PS fluid in the reservoir but this is a nice method for doing a full flush. I'm planning on also jacking up the front of my car so I don't stress the pump too much when I turn my wheel back and forth.
Excellent video. One other thing to consider doing is to replace the reservoir when doing the fluid change. The reservoir has a filter screen in it which can clog over time causing potential problems. A new reservoir for my van cost around 15$ so it's not very expensive. On higher mileage vehicles like mine this is probably a good idea.
Thanks for your easy to follow instructions. Just did my first power steering fluid flush on my Honda Accord with the help of your video tutorial!
This is one of the best-shot videos I've seen on RUclips. Hope we can repay you somehow for such great work but, anyway, thanks so much and keep up with the excellent work!
Thanks for the video! This really worked for me. I did exactly as shown in the video and now my 2009 accord is back to normal.
As usual ManClub, you have posted a very informative video. I've learned a lot from you as you have saved me quite a bit money by not going to the dealership. Great job. .
Great video, Austin. Just did this today on my 2002 Acura TL. I ended up having to duct tape the 3/8" tubing to the return line as the clamp just wouldn't hold it down tight enough and would blow the tube off spraying PS fluid everywhere. It took about 3.5 bottles to do 2 flushes which managed to get it down to light golden color.
Appreciate you throwing this up. Saving me money and the chicks love it when a man works.
Thank you very much for this simple explanation. Work was quickly done.
Thanks bro. This video will sure help out alot. I'm going to change my fluid tomorrow morning and I'll make sure to follow your steps and I'll leave a follow up comment after all is done.
I plan to do that on my 2 vehicles. Thanks for the video and the helpful comments.
Could it make sense to add new fluid while draining the old.............this way the pump is never thirsty? I'd rather wast a quart of fluid than kill my pump? yes????
I have Honda Accord 2004, my power steering feel stuck in early morning of winters do i need to do same thing which you suggested in video or some anti-freeze
hey great video. Just got back from the dealer today had my power steering fluid changed in a 2009 Honda civic ex coupe
they said have it changed every 36 months no exceptions to mileage because it draws moister into the braking system.
cost $120.00 I also replaced the cap and fluid reservoir tank for $16.00 because there is a screen filter in the bottom of the tank. Was wanting to to do this job my self but I didn't have any vacuum pump for fluid extraction.
Good instructional video. The recommendations below are also very helpful. Thank you. Ron
How many of those bottles would you say are necessary to perform a complete flush of the system?
This is the prescribed procedure in every Honda/Acura service manual. Running it dry for the time it takes to do this is not a problem since there's enough residual fluid in there. You don't want to run it dry long term, but this is the right way to do a purge. The air also purges out of the system quickly in all Honda PS units. It might not be ideal in other vehicles, but for Hondas it's the best way to do it. And it's $10 to do it yourself or up to $100 for a shop/dealer to do it.
Austin, I have a suggestion to prevent running the pump dry. Once you remove the hose, add another length of hose onto the reservoir stalk and run it into another plastic bottle into which you have poured the fresh fluid. Make sure to keep the hose submerged in fresh fluid, then start the car. As bad fluid is expelled, fresh fluid is sucked in and the pump never runs dry. Be sure to shut off the car before the fresh fluid is all gone and you'll have effected a perfect exchange with no air!
Great instructional video! How many bottles of the fluid did you use and does it matter from Honda to Honda? For example, I have a 2006 Honda Civic EX.
For some of you who own a 03 to 08 Honda Accord you may want to look up the following Honda Service Bulletin # 07-086 which pertains to the problem of Noisy power steering pumps some of us are having "especially on cold days" because of a defective 0-Ring that lets air get sucked into the supply line at the pump on cold days when the metal expands.
As some of you may have heard Honda was recently fined by the government for not notifying their customers of recalls, and this maybe one of them because I know I was never notified to take my 05 Accord in to have the above defective .25 0-Ring replaced.
So before you change your Power Steering fluid print out the above Service Bulletin which has detailed instructions along with the part# for the new 0-Ring, The print out also shows the location (Photo) of the 0-Ring and how to replace it, Its very simple and only took me 15 minutes.
By the way my local Honda parts department sold me the pints of Honda replacement fluid cheaper then what I was finding it for at my local Auto Parts store, and the replacement 0-ring cost me $1.75.
I have a 2000 Acura 3.2 TL. The smaller hoses are on the right side of the container with one stacked on top of the other. They are both the same size. Which one is the return hose? Thanks for the video and your help.
Thanks, I did my power steering fluid change on a 2004 V6 accord. It was easy and I am not mechanically inclined. Key is to top off the fluid and then bleed out the system until bubbles in the reservoir disappear by steering left and right.
As always Todd, the best and most detailed DIYs out there!
Absolutley. I did this with the front wheels on the ground the first time and it was very difficult to turn the steering wheel back and forth. If you jack up the front end of the vehicle just enough to get the tires off the ground, it makes it much easier.
Did you run the car at fast idle refilling it with fresh fluid? My Ridgeline manual indicates to do so. Also thanks for the tip to have extra bottles, I'm ordering more before I find out the hard way I didn't have enough. Excellent video!
Thanks for the video very helpful...how often do you change it?
I just purchased a 2000 EX V6. The power steering has a bad whine to it much like yours did after you changed the fluid (it was disgustingly dirty). I changed the fluid and it still has the bad whine to it. Do you think it's the pump? I also used genuine Honda fluid. Thanks for the video.
Hello, you mentioned how you flushed the system. So you consider when you keep topping off the fluid as flushing it?
+Carloscda40
I don't think you can pour in new fluid as fast as it comes out. Give it a try!
Great video. One question, is there any risk of running the pump dry??
Thanks much for the video! I have two Honda and you just saved me $400. Keep up the good work.
The method used in the video is directly from the Honda service manual. So when you go to the Honda dealership, or to any Honda trained technician, this is how they'll do it.
how much power steering fluid do you need for this job?
Great video. Only correction I can add is that the Honda power steering fluid comes in 12 oz bottles not quarts as stated in the video. You don't need to get 4-5 quarts. You might get 4-5 of the standard 12oz bottles.
You made a statement in your video about flushing the system 2 times, Does that mean that you drain the old fluid out and then fill it with fresh fluid and then flush that out a second time in order to completely purge the system of all the old fluid and dirt you couldn't get out in the first flush?.
That's correct, Jim. After the initial drain and fill, I noticed that the fluid was still a little dark. While it's not necessary, I went ahead and repeated the procedure and the fluid looked very clear/clean after the second time.
Thanks for watching!
Austin thats a good preventive maintenance tip. However my experience with honda power steering pumps is that they don't like to run dry. that whining sound we were hearing most times never goes away. It may reduce but because the pump ran on little or no oil the vanes would have worn out the housing. Great video all the same>
Thanks Austin, I changed PS fluid of my 2001 Sienna. Now working very well save >100 $.
Thanks for the video! Question: why flush it twice? Would flushing it once still be okay?
Cool...glad to be of help. Keep an eye on the fluid for a few days and make sure the level stays between MIN and MAX when it's warmed up.
Thanks for watching!
Good video. I'm gonna change mine on my 97 acura integra gsr. How many bottles did you use./should I buy?Any advice would be great. Thanks.
I'd get 3 or 4. If you have extra, it's always nice to have some around the garage.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video. Does turning the wheel feel easier after you've changed the fluid?
Thanks buddy. Just a question, I think turning power steering pump on while the reservoir is empty may cause damage to the pump. Is there any other way to do the job?
Thanks for the video it was a very big help. Do you know anything about the power steering O-Ring (P/S Hose O-Ring) because someone told me that has to be replace as well because when i turn while i drive i hear a whining noise?
got a question for you. After a few days of changing my power steering fluid I noticed it was already black looking again. not sure if this is because the fluid cycles through the aluminum pump causes it to get so dark or do I need to continue to keep flushing every few days till it starts looking clear again... thanks
It's tough to drain out all of the fluid. But since you've changed it, I'd think you're OK for another year or two.
Thanks for watching!
Hello,
I watched this video but didn't catch how often you should change the power steering fluid.
Follow the maintenance minder - should be listed in the owner's manual.
I used the turkey baster to drain the reservoir and put new fluid but i still see black old fluid, how many bottles did you use?
I'm going to do this same procedure on my 2002 Civic LX, BUT I don't feel comfortable letting all the fluid pump out, so i'm going to be adding fluid as it's being pumped out to prevent any air entering the system and to always have fluid in the system, also just as the video states have some open bottles ready to go so u can keep a steady flow of fluid, or just get your assistant to turn vehicle off. Once you see the colour change from dirty to clean fluid in the hose, turn car off and top off
I was demonstrating the Honda service manual method in the video. The fluid comes out a a very high rate when driven by the pump, so it could get messy doing it the way (I think) you are describing it.
Thanks for the kind words. It's what keeps me going.
how come the first time you start the car the fluid comes out, and the 2nd time you start the car with new fluid it suck in? and can you also make a video on how to change coolant, so far your video is very helpful because i have the same accord and i really know what i'm really doing since the component and where it locates are the same, thanks
So you did the whole procedure twice? U reconnected the hose to drain the new fluid?
So you said bleed. Is that using the hose to release all the old fluid? And instead of having to bleed it twice can't you just expel all the used fluid first then re connect the hose and add new fluid?
Smh. I didn't tighten the screw clamp hard enough.i had the fluid all over. Spent about 20 minutes cleaning up. Did it right second time around dough. Do you think any damage might have been done to the timing belt if the fluid got on it?
This method looks simple enough.. I was just going to do the turkey baster method.. if it's this simple,, I could probably spend an extra $ and get the hose & clamp for this procedure.. any thoughts on the aftermarket "FOR HONDA" psf which are not "HONDA OEM" brand fluid?
+Tim Smith I'd only use OEM. It's not that expensive and hopefully not too inconvenient.
One of my favorite quotes, which applies here: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
Thanks for watching.
Also how you keep you engine area so clean, what product you use. a good video will help.
how much power steering did you end up using after it was all said and done man club? thanks in advance
It's been a while, so I don't remember exactly. Just buy 4 pints - whatever you don't use you can stick on a shelf for next time.
Appreciate the video. Saved me a hundred bucks.
any chance you could make a video of running a tube to clean fluid so the reservoir doesn't run dry? I'd like to see it done. Thanks! Also, how often should you change the fluid?
Are you sure of the drain hose diameter? You said it's 3/8" outside diameter. I measured the one in my Honda and it's 2-1/4". Do you mean inside diameter?
+richard speck
The 3/8" OD tube I show fits inside the smaller PS hose (the return). I'm not sure which year/model you have, but this solution worked on both my 2009 Accord and my wife's 2007 Element.
Got it. Thanks. It worked out well.
+ManClubAustin I have a problem as I have a 2012 Honda Accord has been used oil Transmission steering wheel instead of oil by mistake, and I got a little smuggling of oil , what do I do now ?
+علي حاوي You should probably do the flush, and try to replace all of the transmission oil with Honda power steering fluid.
I used an inexpensive manual transfer pump to suction the old fluid out of the return line instead of running the engine and running the system dry. You can do it without a helper that way.
When you flush the pump out after the reservoir is drained, couldn't you keep the hole where the fluid drained clogged and let the fluid flush back into the reservoir and then let that drain out instead of using a bottle and clear hose?
I did the procedure twice. Doing it once, you'll notice the fluid is much cleaner but not 100%. So I did the drain,filled it up with my wife turning side to side. Then I did the same thing again. You can probably just do it once and be OK. I just did it twice to get the fluid looking clean and new. The easy way to tell is after you drain and fill the first time, compare the color of the fluid in the reservoir to the color of brand new fluid. If it is still dark (mine was), then do it again.
hi, nice demonstration. how much fluid was used to top it up?
+deep aman
I'd had 3 or 4 bottles on hand....depending if you want to flush it more than once or not.
Hello Man Club how long will it take for the air to completely leave the system also what can i do to help make the process faster?
Should bleed within a few minutes. Turn the wheel side to bleed it - you can put it up on jack stands to reduce stress while doing this.
Thanks for watching
you can use transmission fluid in power steering pump but not power steering fluid in transmission correct?
hey i have a 2005 acura tl and im guessing its the same as owning an accord, recently my pump went bad around a 100,000 miles. rough steering growling noise ect, i had the pump changed but by a pump replaced by your local autozone the mechanic also topped it off with a penzoil p/s fluid which stated for GM vehicles i hinted him with that, that the reservoir clearly stated honda oil only he smirked and said all P/S oil worked the same then he handed me the car with the steering less rough but still noisy and said that air was in it give it a day then it will subside, well a month passed and its the same thing and a week ago it started leaking from the high pressure hose n i ended up changing both hose and the pump again but the pump was a replacement by autozone and the noise still persist the last mechanic was different from the first and stated that the pump isn't good and that i need a genuine honda replacement pump he also stated the oil made no difference. so my question is to you ManClubAustin do i need to do a full honda only oil change or get a premium acura/honda pump? please for your answer...
It's tough to know. I'd only use Honda/Acura oil. I'd be surprised if the pump I'd out again, already. Look for leaks after changing the oil.
If you have a 2009+ CRV, the reservoir is right next to the belt. Found it was easier to take off the suction line to drain and then put it back on prior to starting up the engine Otherwise worked great and saved 100+ over dealer and local mechanic.
Thanks
I hardly consider it a "mistake" - I was following the instructions per the service manual. While filling the reservoir to the top might add another half ounce, the most important thing I learned was to have two bottles ready to dump in when refilling the fluid.
Is it ok if old fluid and new fluid mix? im only gonna change whats in the reservoir.
You can do that, but you're only changing a small percentage. No issues with mixing fluid.
After doing the power steering exchange should there be noise after in the powersteering pump? or the noise is temporary .
Is that air pressure sound after you turn the engine off, that "pffft" sound, Is that normal?
I changed the o ring on my power steerin on my 06 honda pilot and now its making that sound. Did yours do that after you purged the sys?
That's just coming thru the Short Ram Intake.... you won't hear that on a stock air box.
That's what I tried to do. It doesn't appear that you can get 100% of the fluid the first time, as some of the fluid remains in the system. Could you do it once and be OK? Most likely. I had enough fluid to do it twice, and it was cleaner after the second time.
Does it feel any better? You should probably be OK as is. Just set it up to be a routine maintenance thing, and you'll be fine.
This is the procedure STRAIGHT OUT OF THE HONDA SERVICE MANUAL. This is exactly how they do it at the dealership. There is no noise coming from my car after the air bubbles were purged from the system.
Sounds reasonable. You might be surprised on how fast the fluid comes out, so be ready for that...it takes a good amount of fluid force to turn your wheels. For sure have an assistant to stop/start the car.
Best of luck!
thanks for the video but i have a problem not sure if its the power steering or what but each time i turn my steering to the max the car seems to loose power as if it is touching the belts. please help.
So, there will be times that your power steering pump can't get fluid... will that damage your pump?
I have a 2006 honda odyssey ex-l and the power steering pump can be full and when I turn the van off for like an hour and turn It back on the steering wheel is hard to turn I don't know why and makes noise when I'm turning it
hey,
for the last couple of days i hear a strange noise when steering on parking space and the steering became a bit more difficult when doing it fast...also there is additional noise coming out after starting up the car (like something else is working) my question is can it be because of the old oil (maybe not enough oil all of a sudden) or i have a bit more serious thing to worry about?
i have civic 1999 isr automatic.
thanks
Would it be better for the tires to lift up the front end of the car while doing this?
since Hoanda and Acura is almost the same going to try to do it my self,but I went to Honda dealer and they just gave me 2 bottles,is this correct?even I told them I'm going to do the change the power steering thing?
You can probably get away with 2 bottles. But if you're close, I'd get a 3rd just in case.
There was a problem with some earlier Accords - they had a bad o-ring put in during manufacturing, and they fail - introducing air into the system. Look at some other videos, you'll find the o-ring fix.
Yep, I had plenty of fluid because I drained/filled twice.
Thanks for watching!
According to the service manuals, you should only use Honda brand fluid. Can you order some online? Perhaps it'd be cheaper that way.
Actually, that's about right. In the maintenance minder, it only shows up to "check power steering fluid" under the B symbol:
Inspect all fluid levels and condition of the fluid.
But it doesn't show it as required under, say...B1 or B2. So it's pretty much a judgement call.