Man, you sure know how to investigate a subject and make a good video tutorial. It took me several years to learn what you have in a week or more. You have a gift buddy👍❤️. Merry Christmas man.
Shannon, thank you for all the shotgun info. Although I have zero interest in reloading for shotgun for myself, I am enjoying the documentation of your adventure down the shotgun rabbit hole. Merry Christmas !
Three things. 1) a great way to cut your fingers off, regarding Broadhead points 2) I'm gonna roll with this, concerning the BA crimping tool. 3) Hope you had a very Merry Christmas!
Really enjoying this series. Brings back memories of my Waterfowl days. Now I'm all about precision hunting loading. Might have to break out the old MEC and see if I still have it in me.
I started reloading shotshells in 1978, even before I started metallic reloading. Believe me when I tell you that there is just as much "knowledge" out there about shotshell reloading as there is metallic. I've reloaded probably in excess of 10K rounds of combined 12 gauge and 28 gauge, and I have a MEC machine set up for each, that never gets changed over anymore. Skeet and trap competitors tend to pick a single hull type, like Winchester AA, which is a one piece hull with an 8-point crimp, then find a load that they like, and just stay with that for years. They buy their components en masse, and their powder by the jug, get their press set up so that it loads that one load perfectly, and get to loading. It's nothing for a trap or skeet shooter to shoot eight or ten rounds of practice on a non-match weekend (200-250 rounds). Recently, I've been shooting CAS, and buying the cheapest target or light game loads I could, because for a long time, it was cheaper than reloading, because of the cost of shot. That is no longer the case, and I'm going to order some shot and go back to reloading. And in cowboy shooting, the targets are just knock-down plates at 5 yards, and a 1 ounce load at low velocity will do that just fine. But in trap and skeet, you have to find a load that will pattern well, and move out at medium velocity, because the targets are moving away from you as you shoot. And the variables in loading, such as component volume, wad seating pressure, and the quality of the fold crimp, all affect how well the load patterns. The reason competition loads used 8-point crimps was (at least in the past) was because the crimp was more consistent when done on manual machines, like a MEC, and laid flatter. Most heavy loads, like duck and goose loads, use a 6-point crimp, because that makes more plastic available in the center of the crimp for the plastic to be fused together with heat, to make the shells weather-tight. Reloaded shells are always going to have a bit of a "rattle" in the shot cup of the wad, because most people don't add a buffer material into the load to stop it from happening. It's just an extra expense, and not really necessary for practice rounds. At matches, you are required to use factory loads.
👍😊 I smiled at the end of the testing. Your quick step back inside reminded me of a few cold mornings I've had in the past !!! Anyway, extreme cold will impact battery life and function. Always, and it doesn't matter what they are made of - lead, nickel, lithium, dry cell, etc. Your dimming Red Dot simply was too cold! Also, short shotgun shells might not feed properly from the magazine. Haven't used one, but there's an adapter made that's supposed to fix the feeding. Reportedly, it does a good job. I just plan on single feeding any short shells I end up with, but that might be something you want to look at. 👍
Doubt I'll ever load for Shotguns I just don't shoot enough of them to justify it(and need my limited powder supplies for 9mm & 357mag) but I'm still enjoying this series none the less. Thanks for all the videos, picked up a lot of useful info over the years. MERRY CHRISTMAS from a fellow gun guy in Australia(yes we can still roll our own and shoot them here contrary to what some in gov will have you believe!). May your powder always be dry and your aim always true. 🍻
Thanks for all the research that is being done with this. I might be getting into skeet and. trap shooting next year. wonder if its worth reloading for that or buying cheap skeet target loads from the big box store. Either way its a fun rabbit hole to watch you go down. have a very Merry Christmas and wonderful New Year!
My MEC Jr pretty much sits on the shelf since I started roll crimping. The press has adjustments, but it goes out the window if your shot column is out of spec for how it's set up. I have 3 different roll crimpers and they all crimp differently as far as flatness as well as taper. The cheap one is from Forest Camping (Russian). It's 1 piece with 3 ramps instead of pins (~$17 on Amazon) I don't recommend it. The 4 pin crimper is nicest, BUT the 1 pin BPI had more taper...and yes, the end is flat. To get crazy, one could use the BPI in a GAEP fashion to add a finished taper to the 4 pin, but that's an extra step because the more aggressive taper should've been added to the 4 pin crimper (my only gripe against it). GAEP (Italian) makes a finishing crimp for fold crimps (works kinda like a roll crimper). They make nice stuff, but it's pricey. If I recall correctly I was told by BPI that pressure is down ~500 psi with a roll crimp, but it all works out in the end as far as I'm concerned since I mainly load slugs and some buckshot. They make plastic OS cards. They'll hold up to moisture but won't provide a watertight seal.
I got one of those russian roll crimp tools, and a 7/8oz lee key drive slug mold. Took straight, loaded target loads, trimmed crimp, dump shot, insert slug, and roll crimp. Very low recoil, taking a 1-1/8oz target and swapping in 7/8 oz slug. No idea what kinda velocity it's getting.
The only problem with the really short hulls is feeding in various guns. A lot of them won't feed the short stuff without trying to jam 2 or 3 in the barrel.
Some guns eat them like candy while others choke on them like chicken bones. Some have adapters available. The extra capacity is nice, and depending on components and powder can be loaded to near full power.
There's a bit of a divide, considering shotshell reloading for trap/dove/rabbit/squirrel loads (which I've done a lot of, & they're all star crimped) to what would work best for on fewer shells purpose loaded for turkey (or maybe even waterfowl). All of the TSS shells that I've purchased recently have been roll crimped. I'm looking forward to your tests comparing the two, & thanks for this video series. Merry Christmas
Love the video as always! You talking about the sound of the shots and listening to them reminded me of something pretty cool you should try sometime. If you have two identical pistols, shoot them one in each hand, together at the same time. 1-2-3-4-5 shots. You must pull the triggers on both guns at the exact same time. The sound of the shots gets deeper in tone with every shot. I don't know if it's necessary for the pistols to be identical or if they need to be the same caliber but I've always used a pair of M&P9s. I have no idea why this happens but it is something cool to show to your buddies.
JRB/Shannon, try running your roll crimper backwards. Running it CCW means that the pin is going in the correct direction to pull hull material inwards. Running it CW pushes hull material out, increasing the amount of effort required to crimp and resulting in lower quality roll crimps. This is an issue because the pin is offset to the wrong side.
I'm more a waterfowler than turkey guy. Slow burning is what you have to use for heavy loads. Fast powder will develop a faster peak pressure, so while you can deal with making fast powder fire a heavy load, it will have less gas, and lower velocity while having an acceptable peak pressure. So if you think you can kill your game with subsonic velocity using (as an example) bullseye, fast powder can work. Your odd sounding loads are a sign of variability in powder burn. You will find a larger SD if you can get reliable chronographing on loads. (Labradar does not work on shotgun for me anyhow, oheler does.) Experimentally for me, and it was part of the old BPI information, single base powders seem to ignite a bit more reliably and burn a bit more consistently in cold weather. Long way around getting to saying you will find better stability with cold weather using single base powders compared to the double based ones in roughly the same burn rate. I miss SR 4756 for shotgun... The same happens up here in the frozen north with rifle and handgun, but some powders are known for better stability in that context with cold/heat. You might be surprized if you chrono some of your good loads out there in the sub zero weather just how different they are.
I see your point about why you would roll crimp, small batches, odd oal. That’s not something that I worried about shooting mass volumes. Do you want everything the same and consistent, and easy to do.
As a sporting clays shooter, I load between 500-1000 rounds a month, all on a single stage MEC 600 press. For that reason only, I stick to the folded crimps, at least for those type loads. I am however very interested in this video series for many of the same reasons you are. I'm looking at doing some hunting using tss shot and am always interested in alternative methods if I were to be in a situation where I didn't have my press or needed to work with a shorter case.
Roll crimping is the way to go for a small operation. The only dedicated shot shell reloading tools I have is the ballistics products crimper and the Lee sizing die. That's it. I don't need to spend thousands of dollars on equipment to roll just a few shells now and then.
I'm at sheffield lake, west of Cleveland, on lake erie. The wind blew lake erie into Buffalo. Water level on west side is 7 ft lower on Buffalo side 7 ft higher
If you really want to get specifics on pressures, Precision Reloading does pressure testing. I reload 16 ga for an older side by side and pressure matters for that particular model. The variation in pressure can be pretty significant and may not always present itself in velocities
Just watched FORTUNE COOKIES roll crimp comparison yesterday myself which got me googling around and at PRECISION RELOADER's site (I think it was) found a 4-pin model for $30. Consensus seems to be that the more pins there are the easier/consistant results are.
Btw roll crimps should run a bit lower pressure and be more consistent. Also the slower burning powder issue is generally just due to the bad overall consistency from shotgun primers (vs say rifle stuff) and that it’s such a low pressure round
Yeah I'm a guy that does do some duck and geese hunting. We can only shoot 3 turkeys but I'd still like to be able to load a bunch and just keep them stored like all my other ammo. I do a bunch of coyote hunting and I'd like to be able to load a bunch of buckshot for self defense or just for training purposes. So the fold crimps is the way I'd want to go but I can see what you're saying about the roll crimps.
cant believe i missed this stuff. i really really want to make 2 inch slugs that will function my 1100 tactical (2 gas ports instead of one) basically a short shell that will run and give me 1 or 2 more in the tube.
johnny what type of camera system do you use I'm on a very tight budget and don't want to keep upgrading I only shoot 3 or 5 times a year with a 223 9mm 50 cal 308 cal 458 so com I was looking at a spotting scope with a wireless lens on the eyepiece any suggestions for me your looks good love to have that
A friend of mine loads on a mec for trap and skeet and he uses his cases until they crack in the loading process. He then scotch tapes the split running on the side of the case and still shoots it. He does not use them after they crack. Unreal no thanks. Great video
how long till you start doing brass shells ? i got a box in 410 . but did lose one to a bad split on the first firing . just remembered rcbs makes or did a 12 gage die set in the cowboy line of dies . works in a regular press . merry christmas shannan .
I wanted to get your opinion on something , i recently built a 410 upper for my ar and was thinking of saving the halls and hand loading them since ammo an components are either hard to find or outrageously expensive outside of wads , but i was thinking about since i have a tun of 12 gauge shells can i use the primer , powder , an shot from the 12 gauge shells to load the 410 ? Of course using 410 load data or is that just a ridiculous idea ?
@@inglwud5625 rite , witch is why i was wondering about loading 410 halls with 12 gauge loads , because i have a tun of 12 gauge shells and they're easy to find , not talking about loading any buckshot or anything just some birdshot or something like that , more concerned about the powder than anything
Just curious, but will most all pump shotguns shuttle short shells with no problems? I've seen the shorty Aguilas offered commercially, so I'm assuming that they must. I can understand that autos might not.
It’s highly variable. Mossbergs handle mini shells better than Remingtons from what I’ve seen, and an adapter is really required for the level of reliability I’d want. Easy to get problems with double feeding etc.
Doesn’t normal crimping allow you to use the shell multiple times? Seems roll crimping shortens the ‘brass life’. I’m no expert in shotgun, just looking at it from a normal reloading point of view. We’d certainly never do something to rifle brass if we could only use it once.
The swirl in the center of the crimp can be the hull needing trimmed. They can stretch just like in metallic reloading. Good series btw. Side notes; cold temp testing on 262s please! Also look into the Lyman 525 slug mold, I love mine.
Temperatures below 32 degrees are going to severely affect your battery in your dot sights. Lithium batteries rely on chemical reactions to work, not only do below freezing temperature stop that chemical reaction, it also affects the ability of the battery to be recharged under those conditions.
Even some of your less then nice roll crimps don't look much worse than some of the older factory 16ga shells I've shot in my auto 5 that sat in a basement or shed for who knows how long. All of those old shells fired and ejected without issue.
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-takes 5 shots... -RUNS to get back inside
Looks to be cold out
@@freedom-vc9wi it was between -20 and -30 with wind chill in ky the past few days. I don't blame him
It's big cold in the midwest.
Even though I don't reload shotshells any more I'm still looking forward to these videos every morning with my coffee lol. Keep it up and stay warm!
-6 here in Wi. That's a heat wave!
I was waiting to see a Garand Thumb style frozen shotgun test
Man, you sure know how to investigate a subject and make a good video tutorial. It took me several years to learn what you have in a week or more. You have a gift buddy👍❤️. Merry Christmas man.
Shannon, thank you for all the shotgun info. Although I have zero interest in reloading for shotgun for myself, I am enjoying the documentation of your adventure down the shotgun rabbit hole. Merry Christmas !
Three things.
1) a great way to cut your fingers off, regarding Broadhead points
2) I'm gonna roll with this, concerning the BA crimping tool.
3) Hope you had a very Merry Christmas!
Marry Christmas and Happy Yule, thank you for everything you do.
Really enjoying this series. Brings back memories of my Waterfowl days. Now I'm all about precision hunting loading. Might have to break out the old MEC and see if I still have it in me.
I kinda hope this flows into a shotgun saboted slug series being that saboted slugs have gotten ridiculous prices nowadays! Keep warm from Mn, lol!
Really enjoying these video. I roll crimp because I find it easier to get good crimps with buckshot.
I'm really enjoying these shotshell videos great work keep them coming And Merry Christmas Tomorrow !
I started reloading shotshells in 1978, even before I started metallic reloading. Believe me when I tell you that there is just as much "knowledge" out there about shotshell reloading as there is metallic. I've reloaded probably in excess of 10K rounds of combined 12 gauge and 28 gauge, and I have a MEC machine set up for each, that never gets changed over anymore. Skeet and trap competitors tend to pick a single hull type, like Winchester AA, which is a one piece hull with an 8-point crimp, then find a load that they like, and just stay with that for years. They buy their components en masse, and their powder by the jug, get their press set up so that it loads that one load perfectly, and get to loading. It's nothing for a trap or skeet shooter to shoot eight or ten rounds of practice on a non-match weekend (200-250 rounds).
Recently, I've been shooting CAS, and buying the cheapest target or light game loads I could, because for a long time, it was cheaper than reloading, because of the cost of shot. That is no longer the case, and I'm going to order some shot and go back to reloading. And in cowboy shooting, the targets are just knock-down plates at 5 yards, and a 1 ounce load at low velocity will do that just fine. But in trap and skeet, you have to find a load that will pattern well, and move out at medium velocity, because the targets are moving away from you as you shoot. And the variables in loading, such as component volume, wad seating pressure, and the quality of the fold crimp, all affect how well the load patterns. The reason competition loads used 8-point crimps was (at least in the past) was because the crimp was more consistent when done on manual machines, like a MEC, and laid flatter. Most heavy loads, like duck and goose loads, use a 6-point crimp, because that makes more plastic available in the center of the crimp for the plastic to be fused together with heat, to make the shells weather-tight. Reloaded shells are always going to have a bit of a "rattle" in the shot cup of the wad, because most people don't add a buffer material into the load to stop it from happening. It's just an extra expense, and not really necessary for practice rounds. At matches, you are required to use factory loads.
👍😊 I smiled at the end of the testing. Your quick step back inside reminded me of a few cold mornings I've had in the past !!! Anyway, extreme cold will impact battery life and function. Always, and it doesn't matter what they are made of - lead, nickel, lithium, dry cell, etc. Your dimming Red Dot simply was too cold! Also, short shotgun shells might not feed properly from the magazine. Haven't used one, but there's an adapter made that's supposed to fix the feeding. Reportedly, it does a good job. I just plan on single feeding any short shells I end up with, but that might be something you want to look at. 👍
Doubt I'll ever load for Shotguns I just don't shoot enough of them to justify it(and need my limited powder supplies for 9mm & 357mag) but I'm still enjoying this series none the less.
Thanks for all the videos, picked up a lot of useful info over the years. MERRY CHRISTMAS from a fellow gun guy in Australia(yes we can still roll our own and shoot them here contrary to what some in gov will have you believe!). May your powder always be dry and your aim always true. 🍻
Oh and just to rub it in, we're expecting about 26⁰c/81⁰f for Christmas day going into low 30s/90s next week....😜
Thanks for all the research that is being done with this. I might be getting into skeet and. trap shooting next year. wonder if its worth reloading for that or buying cheap skeet target loads from the big box store. Either way its a fun rabbit hole to watch you go down. have a very Merry Christmas and wonderful New Year!
Great discussion, I’d like to se patterns on these shells you load !
I have the same roll crimper. Works just fine.
My MEC Jr pretty much sits on the shelf since I started roll crimping. The press has adjustments, but it goes out the window if your shot column is out of spec for how it's set up.
I have 3 different roll crimpers and they all crimp differently as far as flatness as well as taper. The cheap one is from Forest Camping (Russian). It's 1 piece with 3 ramps instead of pins (~$17 on Amazon) I don't recommend it. The 4 pin crimper is nicest, BUT the 1 pin BPI had more taper...and yes, the end is flat. To get crazy, one could use the BPI in a GAEP fashion to add a finished taper to the 4 pin, but that's an extra step because the more aggressive taper should've been added to the 4 pin crimper (my only gripe against it). GAEP (Italian) makes a finishing crimp for fold crimps (works kinda like a roll crimper). They make nice stuff, but it's pricey.
If I recall correctly I was told by BPI that pressure is down ~500 psi with a roll crimp, but it all works out in the end as far as I'm concerned since I mainly load slugs and some buckshot.
They make plastic OS cards. They'll hold up to moisture but won't provide a watertight seal.
I got one of those russian roll crimp tools, and a 7/8oz lee key drive slug mold. Took straight, loaded target loads, trimmed crimp, dump shot, insert slug, and roll crimp. Very low recoil, taking a 1-1/8oz target and swapping in 7/8 oz slug. No idea what kinda velocity it's getting.
Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄 Brother 😉👊👍🇺🇸
The change in sound might just have been the temperature shift of the gun.
I Star crimp my slugs but you've gotta get the packing right as you said.
Star crimping was developed for easier mass production. Handloading you run into 6 or 8 point crimps when reusing factory hulls.
Looks like I’ve got a few episodes to catch up on.
Vaughn precision where the heck u been
@@waynemayle865 killing ducks.! Lots of ducks. Shot my first banded bird today.
The only problem with the really short hulls is feeding in various guns. A lot of them won't feed the short stuff without trying to jam 2 or 3 in the barrel.
Some guns eat them like candy while others choke on them like chicken bones. Some have adapters available. The extra capacity is nice, and depending on components and powder can be loaded to near full power.
-16 with a windchill if -29 here in SoDak. Merry Christmas Johnny.(Shannon). Stay safe and warm
Your lite sounding shot could be primer related from my reloading the big three primers have worked better in cold weather then other manufacturers
There's a bit of a divide, considering shotshell reloading for trap/dove/rabbit/squirrel loads (which I've done a lot of, & they're all star crimped) to what would work best for on fewer shells purpose loaded for turkey (or maybe even waterfowl). All of the TSS shells that I've purchased recently have been roll crimped.
I'm looking forward to your tests comparing the two, & thanks for this video series.
Merry Christmas
Love the video as always! You talking about the sound of the shots and listening to them reminded me of something pretty cool you should try sometime. If you have two identical pistols, shoot them one in each hand, together at the same time. 1-2-3-4-5 shots. You must pull the triggers on both guns at the exact same time. The sound of the shots gets deeper in tone with every shot. I don't know if it's necessary for the pistols to be identical or if they need to be the same caliber but I've always used a pair of M&P9s. I have no idea why this happens but it is something cool to show to your buddies.
Just FYI. Roll crimps run 1000-1500 psi lower psi lower than a fold crimp. They are not the same
JRB/Shannon, try running your roll crimper backwards. Running it CCW means that the pin is going in the correct direction to pull hull material inwards. Running it CW pushes hull material out, increasing the amount of effort required to crimp and resulting in lower quality roll crimps.
This is an issue because the pin is offset to the wrong side.
"Roll with it" lol
I'm more a waterfowler than turkey guy. Slow burning is what you have to use for heavy loads. Fast powder will develop a faster peak pressure, so while you can deal with making fast powder fire a heavy load, it will have less gas, and lower velocity while having an acceptable peak pressure. So if you think you can kill your game with subsonic velocity using (as an example) bullseye, fast powder can work. Your odd sounding loads are a sign of variability in powder burn. You will find a larger SD if you can get reliable chronographing on loads. (Labradar does not work on shotgun for me anyhow, oheler does.) Experimentally for me, and it was part of the old BPI information, single base powders seem to ignite a bit more reliably and burn a bit more consistently in cold weather. Long way around getting to saying you will find better stability with cold weather using single base powders compared to the double based ones in roughly the same burn rate. I miss SR 4756 for shotgun... The same happens up here in the frozen north with rifle and handgun, but some powders are known for better stability in that context with cold/heat. You might be surprized if you chrono some of your good loads out there in the sub zero weather just how different they are.
You can punch clear plastic from spinich containers, put them on top of shot then roll crimp, it gives you a window to see what's in stored shells
I see your point about why you would roll crimp, small batches, odd oal. That’s not something that I worried about shooting mass volumes. Do you want everything the same and consistent, and easy to do.
As a sporting clays shooter, I load between 500-1000 rounds a month, all on a single stage MEC 600 press. For that reason only, I stick to the folded crimps, at least for those type loads.
I am however very interested in this video series for many of the same reasons you are. I'm looking at doing some hunting using tss shot and am always interested in alternative methods if I were to be in a situation where I didn't have my press or needed to work with a shorter case.
Roll crimping is the way to go for a small operation. The only dedicated shot shell reloading tools I have is the ballistics products crimper and the Lee sizing die. That's it. I don't need to spend thousands of dollars on equipment to roll just a few shells now and then.
Cold weather shotshell needs a hot primer, i only use federal 209a for cold weather, all ignition problems disappear. Also great for black powder.
I'm at sheffield lake, west of Cleveland, on lake erie. The wind blew lake erie into Buffalo. Water level on west side is 7 ft lower on Buffalo side 7 ft higher
BTW are you gonna do a shotgun shell rabbit clean and cook video? They have been awesome.
ok Johnny you need to cast and reload some slugs
If you really want to get specifics on pressures, Precision Reloading does pressure testing. I reload 16 ga for an older side by side and pressure matters for that particular model. The variation in pressure can be pretty significant and may not always present itself in velocities
I noticed when loading goose loads with slow powder like Blue dot , there would be much unburnt powder in the barrel during cold weather .
Just watched FORTUNE COOKIES roll crimp comparison yesterday myself which got me googling around and at PRECISION RELOADER's site (I think it was) found a 4-pin model for $30. Consensus seems to be that the more pins there are the easier/consistant results are.
Btw roll crimps should run a bit lower pressure and be more consistent.
Also the slower burning powder issue is generally just due to the bad overall consistency from shotgun primers (vs say rifle stuff) and that it’s such a low pressure round
Chicken cam! JRB Outdoors for the win!
34.5g Hs 36 works good for 12 ga. You could get lyman mold for slugs and get a bag of bird shot melt it and pour slugs
There are hard plastic overshot cards, and you can also use bingo markers.
Yeah I'm a guy that does do some duck and geese hunting. We can only shoot 3 turkeys but I'd still like to be able to load a bunch and just keep them stored like all my other ammo. I do a bunch of coyote hunting and I'd like to be able to load a bunch of buckshot for self defense or just for training purposes. So the fold crimps is the way I'd want to go but I can see what you're saying about the roll crimps.
cant believe i missed this stuff. i really really want to make 2 inch slugs that will function my 1100 tactical (2 gas ports instead of one) basically a short shell that will run and give me 1 or 2 more in the tube.
I have a mossberg 930 semi auto 12 ga. Holds 7 shells. Buckshot has 9. 9mm balls, times 7 shells = 63 9mm balls + semi auto , 7 quick trigger pulls = 63 9mm bullets. Spray & pray home defence.
Could skive hulls with a step drill bit as well
When you have both options of crimping it gives your shell a longer life.
It was 25 degrees this morning in N FLa.
The third shot had some muzzle flash as well. To me, cutting towards your thumb is about the most controllable way to make a cut like that.
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johnny what type of camera system do you use I'm on a very tight budget and don't want to keep upgrading I only shoot 3 or 5 times a year with a 223 9mm 50 cal 308 cal 458 so com I was looking at a spotting scope with a wireless lens on the eyepiece any suggestions for me your looks good love to have that
A friend of mine loads on a mec for trap and skeet and he uses his cases until they crack in the loading process. He then scotch tapes the split running on the side of the case and still shoots it. He does not use them after they crack. Unreal no thanks. Great video
Can you reload hulls multiple times if they have a roll crimp versus 6 or 8 star crimp?
how long till you start doing brass shells ? i got a box in 410 . but did lose one to a bad split on the first firing . just remembered rcbs makes or did a 12 gage die set in the cowboy line of dies . works in a regular press . merry christmas shannan .
I wanted to get your opinion on something , i recently built a 410 upper for my ar and was thinking of saving the halls and hand loading them since ammo an components are either hard to find or outrageously expensive outside of wads , but i was thinking about since i have a tun of 12 gauge shells can i use the primer , powder , an shot from the 12 gauge shells to load the 410 ? Of course using 410 load data or is that just a ridiculous idea ?
Yes 410 is hard to find and when u do its expensive, shot and primers are the same, shot is just different weights in 410.
@@inglwud5625 rite , witch is why i was wondering about loading 410 halls with 12 gauge loads , because i have a tun of 12 gauge shells and they're easy to find , not talking about loading any buckshot or anything just some birdshot or something like that , more concerned about the powder than anything
@@quadfather504fpv9 yes its easy to look up loads for 410 with shot sizes and weight
Is hard for me to fold crimp and roll crimp works out great for most stuff. small game #size works good
Are roll crimped hulls one and done or can they be used over and over like the folded style?
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In general, roll crimps provide better consistency and lower pressure.
Merry Christmas everybody!
Those 5 you shot looked find to me. Must of ur factory loads are folds if not slugs or ball or buck shot loads
I would think roll crimp would make higher pressure
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First good sir.
Just curious, but will most all pump shotguns shuttle short shells with no problems? I've seen the shorty Aguilas offered commercially, so I'm assuming that they must. I can understand that autos might not.
It’s highly variable. Mossbergs handle mini shells better than Remingtons from what I’ve seen, and an adapter is really required for the level of reliability I’d want. Easy to get problems with double feeding etc.
Doesn’t normal crimping allow you to use the shell multiple times? Seems roll crimping shortens the ‘brass life’. I’m no expert in shotgun, just looking at it from a normal reloading point of view. We’d certainly never do something to rifle brass if we could only use it once.
Can you do slugs
The swirl in the center of the crimp can be the hull needing trimmed. They can stretch just like in metallic reloading. Good series btw. Side notes; cold temp testing on 262s please! Also look into the Lyman 525 slug mold, I love mine.
Temperatures below 32 degrees are going to severely affect your battery in your dot sights. Lithium batteries rely on chemical reactions to work, not only do below freezing temperature stop that chemical reaction, it also affects the ability of the battery to be recharged under those conditions.
Should've shot a chicken, that woulda been entertaining, measure the feather pattern, 36" feather grouping on the ground.
Even some of your less then nice roll crimps don't look much worse than some of the older factory 16ga shells I've shot in my auto 5 that sat in a basement or shed for who knows how long. All of those old shells fired and ejected without issue.
No interest whatsoever in shotshell reloading but I am finding it interesting 🤔
Fifth.