Loving the .223 videos for your grandpas bolt action rifle. I started loading for 6.5 Creedmoor right off the bat and everything costs so much more. I eventually bought a Savage Predator in .223 and now learning all the variations and subtle changes that affect accuracy isn’t costing me a ton of money to figure out. It’s going to be a great series. And I’m with the guy who wrote in saying who cares about the SD numbers when your shooting dime size holes? Grandpas old rifle is shooting lights out.
This is why lots of people love a 223 bolt gun for a trainer... They shoot great and the cartridge especially in a good bolt gun is boringly accurate. I love this series of you pulling out the old guns and doing some plinking with them. Really great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Do you think that's why the military uses the 5.56? Lightweight very little kick and as stated boringly accurate. Keep in mind many people joining the military have never shot anything in their life.
@@DanielBoone337 I was light infantry, I'll have to admit I miss the guys but not the grunt work. I was 11C I do not miss carrying a baseplate or a bipod.
I used a Lee collet die on a T-7 press for years and it worked great. The key to the collet die on any press is to get it adjusted just right. Once you get it adjusted, it's magic.
Shannon the way you feel about this rifle is exactly the same I feel about my Krieger JRB clone build. I freaking love shooting it it’s just easy to make small groups with.
You love to see it. Your grandpa knew his stuff for reloading to his rifles and you carry on the excellence. This would be awesome to develop into its own series, although I’m curious what other rifles are waiting their turn in the safe to come out for a video.
Another great video. I'd love to see exact same loads built with a variety of dies. That is a rock solid baseline. I haven't used a lee neck sizer in ages, but I put together a bunch of great hunting loads in my old '06 with one back in the day. Maybe I need to pull out some old rifles outta my safe.
Biggest issue with the lee neck sizer is the reliance on good brass annealing. Once the cases get a bit harder, you will have issues getting proper neck tension. Also you really need to work that handle to make sure you get a good squeeze. Other then that, they are excelent on managing runout and create extremely even necks.
@@jmkhenka Back then I never did any annealing, not sure I even knew it existed in the reloading world. I would load until the shoulder pushed forward enough for hard chambering. Later I got a full length sizing die, but back then everything was just so much cheaper than today that brass life was not a major concern.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench Hey Shannon, I'd love to see the results from die testing so that will be fun to watch. Die tests seem to be hit and miss with many people getting different results from various dies but it's still always interesting to watch. If you ever get the time, what I'd love to see even more is a press comparison between your T7 and the Rebel, and perhaps even 1-2 more if you felt like throwing them in the mix. Although it seems like your T7 is probably more capable then most people can shoot. So that may throw the reasoning of buying a tight single stage press out the window for most of us.
I wish my Grandpa had left notes as detailed as yours did. All the info I have on his 53gr 22-250 load is just from his occasional comments and from the components I found in the basement. So far I only know he filled the case with one of the IMR powders he had and shoved a Hornady 53gr match hp on top
I love my .223 bolt gun, one of the Cabela's special Savage Model 12 FV's. It has a 9" twist, and with 68 grain Hornady HPBT Match bullets and Reloder 15, I can choose where on a 3" dueling tree plate I need to put the bullet to get the plate to swing around at 300 yards. 223 bolt guns are just so easy to shoot.
I have a vls in 243. Tac driver! I swapped the stock with a hs prescion and Timney trigger. My LTR in 223 loves 27 grains of benchmark with 40 grain Noslers and 60 grain vmax with 25.2 grains of h4895 and 25 grains of benchmark. The loads will shoot .2” at 200 yards when I do my part.
I got a couple of those dies in different calibers, it helps to put a dab of grease on the contact areas of the collet. But with that weight bullet, I'd definitely suggest h322. That's where it shines is with light bullets.
Hell with the SD's.....look at those groups! Thats insane. I've had 3 boxes of these bullets sitting on my reloading bench for a year......i think they're next.
With that light of a bullet you could probably get some interesting results with N130 or even N120. The accuracy was outstanding already, so I couldn't blame you for not changing anything.
At the State Fair of Texas, the second group would win you a prize for shooting out the bullseye in the air gun gallery. Of course, the air rifles they use don't use 3600fos projectiles.
I have been watching a lot of your videos. I have learned more about load development from you than anywhere else. Thank you. I recently bought a 22 creedmoor, because in my opinion it is a hot rodded 22-250. Will or have you looked at this cartridge?
That first group of H335 without the cold bore shot would of been a dream group! This is why I want to pick up one of these older .223 Remington 700. I have one in .308PSS and would like to get my wife a .223 to shoot along with me. That's why I was asking if you still had the Varmint Synthetic stock. They make for great stocks!
I have a few 500 count boxes of VMAX 40gr. Gonna start working up some loads. I had some loaded with 27gr of BLC2 just to screw around with and they shot great.
I use an 8 twist Sako 223 Johnny and it loves the 40 Vmax although i have to seat mine almost 100 thou smaller 👍but ye cracking results there my friend.
I commented on your last installment of the 223 load development, in regards to how well handloaded 68gr HPBT's shoot in my Savage 16 in 223 w/1:9" twist 22" bbl. What I didn't mention was how well it shoots factory loaded 40gr Vmax bullets, from both Hornady and Federal... Usually 1" groups if I do my part, with factory ammo !
Must be some kind of magic with the Hornady 68gr hpbt & 1in 9 twist. I have a TC Venture it is so accurate with that bullet I don't even mess around much with other loads anymore. It hammers coyotes, fox & shoots the nicest 5 shot groups @ 100yds I ever seen. I have the best shooting with Hodgen LVR close to max.
I load for a bunch of varmint calibers and I use a lot of the old standard powders including H335 & BLC-2 in the .204 & .223, but give IMR4198 a try. Near max in my Browning it shoots tiny bug holes with the 50gr. VMax's......and btw, the VMax's are about all I use anymore for varmints.......they're cheap, plentiful, and accurate. That's coming from a huge old school 1980's Sierra fan to lol
I bought a bunch of h335 when the powder shortages began. I have had good luck in .223 with it when running heavier projectiles out of 1:8 twist barrels. My experience with it is that it burns very dirty though
While not an amazing sd, the 10 shot group of h335 at 27.0 is hard to argue with. 2 things i would try. Magnum primer helped sd and es with ball powders for me. And although it only has 2 firings maybe anneal the brass? Also looks like cartridges seated a little stiffly. Perhaps full length size to bump the shoulder.
Now I'm off work and really watching close that thing is a tack driver. Nice. You should try the big bore ar. Lots of fun. Great videos always looking forward to the next one
I would love to see you do a light bullet shootout. I know that you typically do heavy for caliber, but some light weight lasers! Or something for a single shot “Thompson contender” stuff.
Recently found some 40gr. v-max to load in my 221 fireball with 22 inch barrel 1x14 twist. Think I will try some LiL Gun, since that is what I have. I have a 22 Cheetah with 1x16 twist 27 inch barrel. Might be fun to see how fast these will go before they start leaking lead.
JRB with a good old Bolt Action that shoots little tiny Groups what else do you need on a Thuesday Morning before i go to Work. Thanks for the Video as allways.
I would try some AA 2015 with that 40gr Hornady. Just about the right burn rate with that weight. It's a small grained powder & measures well. One of my Favorites.
Every time I shoot my grandfather's recipes they never seem to disappoint. Recently picked up a couple boxes of 70 grain speer semi spitzer soft points because they were cheap as hell for a heavy bullet out of my AR 10.5 pistol. Haven't shot them yet but due to the bullet ogive I had to seat them at 2.140. really interesting and I'm curious how they are going to shoot.
Hey mate, I've been trying to get a good load in my tikka .223. Where I'm at is 10 shot group all exactly in a horizontal line about 2 inches across. It was a little windy but not that bad. Would you stick to that powder charge and tweak the seating depth next? Thanks, great shooting by the way
As a coyote hunter you can use any of those loads and not miss a coyote all season ! You can stop there. Would be interested in seeing what a say a 1 in 9 twist would do to the groups . Thanks for your hard work !…..
I would try accurate 2230, That powder has worked excellent for me. Also annealing your brass, and seating depth. Are about your best to Avenues to increase accuracy.
i shoot a savage model 12 using hornady 75 grain bthp ,using h335 at 23 grains cant get the group to tighten up, i mean that all are kill shots for deer but like a closer group have any ideas by the way love yo videos and hello from sweet home al. ps i zero at 181 yds
Is there anyway we could get you to show the ES's I. The future? I think ES's show a little more, you can have the same SD, but the ES can be double or triple it.
You talk about your grandpa a lot which is a good thing be kind of cool to see a picture of him? We all stress over those SD numbers and I wonder how important it really is after watching this?
Another interesting note! A famous old man said : for a short bullet , the depth of sitting the bullet should be .030 less of the bullet diameter .🤔 in other words if you sit any short .308 bullet , make sure , bullet is only .278 deep 👍
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Loving the .223 videos for your grandpas bolt action rifle. I started loading for 6.5 Creedmoor right off the bat and everything costs so much more. I eventually bought a Savage Predator in .223 and now learning all the variations and subtle changes that affect accuracy isn’t costing me a ton of money to figure out. It’s going to be a great series. And I’m with the guy who wrote in saying who cares about the SD numbers when your shooting dime size holes? Grandpas old rifle is shooting lights out.
You're the man, Johhny. This is by far my favorite channel. I have learned a ton from you, Sir. Thanks.
One of my favorite coyote loads with the H335. Love the content!
Always keeping us watching, thank you for documenting sir!
Bring back some longer reloading videos using this rifle. You enjoy shooting it and we enjoy watching you load for it.
Nice rifle! Keep doing what you do because it's great!
This is why lots of people love a 223 bolt gun for a trainer... They shoot great and the cartridge especially in a good bolt gun is boringly accurate. I love this series of you pulling out the old guns and doing some plinking with them. Really great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Do you think that's why the military uses the 5.56? Lightweight very little kick and as stated boringly accurate. Keep in mind many people joining the military have never shot anything in their life.
@@timothyprice9064 yeah that's a big part of it along with it being cost effective and you can pack a ton of it into the feild..field...
@@DanielBoone337 I was light infantry, I'll have to admit I miss the guys but not the grunt work. I was 11C I do not miss carrying a baseplate or a bipod.
Great video and love the gun. I don’t have a .223 in a bolt action……..yet!
Awesome shooting and Awesome groups.
That's such a sweet rifle. Someone really put the work in on that one.
I used a Lee collet die on a T-7 press for years and it worked great. The key to the collet die on any press is to get it adjusted just right. Once you get it adjusted, it's magic.
Very impressive!!!! That's a keeper for sure.
Another great video! Thanks!
Fantastic video and great shooting! Would love to see more from this rifle. Some of the bolt closing looked like they were hard.
Shannon the way you feel about this rifle is exactly the same I feel about my Krieger JRB clone build. I freaking love shooting it it’s just easy to make small groups with.
Nice shooting, it's fun to watch that hammer group!
You love to see it. Your grandpa knew his stuff for reloading to his rifles and you carry on the excellence. This would be awesome to develop into its own series, although I’m curious what other rifles are waiting their turn in the safe to come out for a video.
Really impressive. Good job Grandpa.
I have a Remington 700 ADL tactical that loves 27.0 of H335 with a 40grn Vmax at 2.240". Cool video.
I never get notified. Been a subscriber for years. I've missed soo much. J !!!!
I love when you talk about your pop pop
Thank you for sharing your research
Another great video. I'd love to see exact same loads built with a variety of dies. That is a rock solid baseline. I haven't used a lee neck sizer in ages, but I put together a bunch of great hunting loads in my old '06 with one back in the day. Maybe I need to pull out some old rifles outta my safe.
A die comparison sounds like a good idea. I'll do that in the next one.
Biggest issue with the lee neck sizer is the reliance on good brass annealing. Once the cases get a bit harder, you will have issues getting proper neck tension.
Also you really need to work that handle to make sure you get a good squeeze.
Other then that, they are excelent on managing runout and create extremely even necks.
@@jmkhenka Back then I never did any annealing, not sure I even knew it existed in the reloading world. I would load until the shoulder pushed forward enough for hard chambering. Later I got a full length sizing die, but back then everything was just so much cheaper than today that brass life was not a major concern.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench Hey Shannon, I'd love to see the results from die testing so that will be fun to watch. Die tests seem to be hit and miss with many people getting different results from various dies but it's still always interesting to watch.
If you ever get the time, what I'd love to see even more is a press comparison between your T7 and the Rebel, and perhaps even 1-2 more if you felt like throwing them in the mix. Although it seems like your T7 is probably more capable then most people can shoot. So that may throw the reasoning of buying a tight single stage press out the window for most of us.
You got me excited to try some h335 in my 223 with some 40 vmaxes now!
I wish my Grandpa had left notes as detailed as yours did. All the info I have on his 53gr 22-250 load is just from his occasional comments and from the components I found in the basement. So far I only know he filled the case with one of the IMR powders he had and shoved a Hornady 53gr match hp on top
I love my .223 bolt gun, one of the Cabela's special Savage Model 12 FV's. It has a 9" twist, and with 68 grain Hornady HPBT Match bullets and Reloder 15, I can choose where on a 3" dueling tree plate I need to put the bullet to get the plate to swing around at 300 yards. 223 bolt guns are just so easy to shoot.
Your grandpa might have been 3d printing his ammo too. Just plumb awesome sauce right there!
Great video. Love when you get superb accuracy! Might be time to dust off the 6PPC again!
I can't wait for the next video
My 22-250 Savage model 12 loves these bullets.
I always get sd’s like 60 with h335.
I just send’er ol’boy
Dope vid as always jrb
I have always found the V Max extremely accurate in any caliber or bullet weight. Out performs match grade projectiles.
The 223 is such an easy going round to load and shoot. Cheap, a million options, what’s not to love.
2oz trigger. Holy hell!
I have a vls in 243. Tac driver! I swapped the stock with a hs prescion and Timney trigger. My LTR in 223 loves 27 grains of benchmark with 40 grain Noslers and 60 grain vmax with 25.2 grains of h4895 and 25 grains of benchmark. The loads will shoot .2” at 200 yards when I do my part.
Outstanding!!
I got a couple of those dies in different calibers, it helps to put a dab of grease on the contact areas of the collet. But with that weight bullet, I'd definitely suggest h322. That's where it shines is with light bullets.
What a perfect timing. Just got myself a ruger 223 American.
Hell with the SD's.....look at those groups! Thats insane. I've had 3 boxes of these bullets sitting on my reloading bench for a year......i think they're next.
Great video! Thanks!
I can definitely see why you love that rifle, she is a beauty! Pass that one down to your son if you have one and keep it in the family.
Roots N Rhizos,
Pass it down, daughter Or son . . .
The 55 grn v max shoot's great too
I run h3335 and it works well next is varget. Both 26.5 grains gets it hauling butt pretty good.
With that light of a bullet you could probably get some interesting results with N130 or even N120. The accuracy was outstanding already, so I couldn't blame you for not changing anything.
At the State Fair of Texas, the second group would win you a prize for shooting out the bullseye in the air gun gallery. Of course, the air rifles they use don't use 3600fos projectiles.
Incredible!
Appreciate the video was wondering if you could possibly do a video on how you do your load development for beginners
Johnnie, Creedmore Sports has a upgrade kit for that Turret press that gets rid of that slop. Really nice upgrade for that press.
I have been watching a lot of your videos. I have learned more about load development from you than anywhere else. Thank you. I recently bought a 22 creedmoor, because in my opinion it is a hot rodded 22-250. Will or have you looked at this cartridge?
That first group of H335 without the cold bore shot would of been a dream group! This is why I want to pick up one of these older .223 Remington 700. I have one in .308PSS and would like to get my wife a .223 to shoot along with me.
That's why I was asking if you still had the Varmint Synthetic stock. They make for great stocks!
Very cool rifle. Makes me want to have a bench gun built for bags and 100 yard groups
Im loving this rifle. I'll have to try the 40 grain Hornadys in my 22-250. it loves 40 grain Nosler Varmagedon. FYI Video title says A-MAX not V-MAX
I fixed the title! Thanks for the heads up.
My 250 loves 40 grain vmax. Varget or h380. 1:14 twist which stinks but regardless
I have a few 500 count boxes of VMAX 40gr. Gonna start working up some loads. I had some loaded with 27gr of BLC2 just to screw around with and they shot great.
It would be interesting to see what some seating depth testing would do with that 27 grain load.
I use an 8 twist Sako 223 Johnny and it loves the 40 Vmax although i have to seat mine almost 100 thou smaller 👍but ye cracking results there my friend.
Damn. Now I want to put this projectile in an 18" spr. See how fast and accurate I can get it before blowing something up.
That looks like a fun little gun to play with it sure does shoot good. I should probably get something like that instead of all my magnums
Cheaper bullets. Smaller/cheaper powder charges. Barrel doesn't heat up too fast.
I half to try it looks like a lot of fun your not even touching that little guy and it looks like fun
I commented on your last installment of the 223 load development, in regards to how well handloaded 68gr HPBT's shoot in my Savage 16 in 223 w/1:9" twist 22" bbl.
What I didn't mention was how well it shoots factory loaded 40gr Vmax bullets, from both Hornady and Federal... Usually 1" groups if I do my part, with factory ammo !
Must be some kind of magic with the Hornady 68gr hpbt & 1in 9 twist. I have a TC Venture it is so accurate with that bullet I don't even mess around much with other loads anymore. It hammers coyotes, fox & shoots the nicest 5 shot groups @ 100yds I ever seen. I have the best shooting with Hodgen LVR close to max.
I use this bullet with n-133 and n-130 on redfoxes. One of my favorite along 53gr v-max
That rifle can shoot 👌
I load for a bunch of varmint calibers and I use a lot of the old standard powders including H335 & BLC-2 in the .204 & .223, but give IMR4198 a try. Near max in my Browning it shoots tiny bug holes with the 50gr. VMax's......and btw, the VMax's are about all I use anymore for varmints.......they're cheap, plentiful, and accurate. That's coming from a huge old school 1980's Sierra fan to lol
I bought a bunch of h335 when the powder shortages began. I have had good luck in .223 with it when running heavier projectiles out of 1:8 twist barrels. My experience with it is that it burns very dirty though
While not an amazing sd, the 10 shot group of h335 at 27.0 is hard to argue with. 2 things i would try. Magnum primer helped sd and es with ball powders for me. And although it only has 2 firings maybe anneal the brass? Also looks like cartridges seated a little stiffly. Perhaps full length size to bump the shoulder.
Now I'm off work and really watching close that thing is a tack driver. Nice. You should try the big bore ar. Lots of fun. Great videos always looking forward to the next one
The federal 205 primer is technically a magnum primer.
oal may have been a bit too much
I would use bench rest primer and ram tac powder get as close to a compressed load as possible
I love shooting my .223. It absolutely LOVES 69 grain SMK over H335.
I would love to see you do a light bullet shootout. I know that you typically do heavy for caliber, but some light weight lasers! Or something for a single shot “Thompson contender” stuff.
Good video Johnny, I eventually will get a 223 bolt action rifle, but until then I'll just reload for my AR's
bolt guns are so much nicer to your brass!
I struggled with the Lee collet die. Your results make me want to give it another chance
I use it to straighten necks, run it through the full length, then use a separate expander. Its been working great.
@@benjaminnevins5211 hmm that's not a bad idea
@@benjaminnevins5211 Doesn't an expander also straighten necks?
That's one fine shooting rifle
Impressive
Nice shooting there, Mr.Bench. Do you have any lighter boolits to try? 🇺🇸
Come back sir. We need you
Recently found some 40gr. v-max to load in my 221 fireball with 22 inch barrel 1x14 twist. Think I will try some LiL Gun, since that is what I have. I have a 22 Cheetah with 1x16 twist 27 inch barrel. Might be fun to see how fast these will go before they start leaking lead.
I've always had great luck with 27 grns Win. 748, CCI 400s, and the 53grn Hornady match bullets...
Awesome shooting I use 40gr Sierra 40gr tbk but must try the vmax
JRB with a good old Bolt Action that shoots little tiny Groups what else do you need on a Thuesday Morning before i go to Work. Thanks for the Video as allways.
I love that bullet in my 220 swift, I run them just over 4400fps and that isn't a max load!
I would try some AA 2015 with that 40gr Hornady. Just about the right burn rate with that weight. It's a small grained powder & measures well. One of my Favorites.
Every time I shoot my grandfather's recipes they never seem to disappoint. Recently picked up a couple boxes of 70 grain speer semi spitzer soft points because they were cheap as hell for a heavy bullet out of my AR 10.5 pistol. Haven't shot them yet but due to the bullet ogive I had to seat them at 2.140. really interesting and I'm curious how they are going to shoot.
brett,
Hard telling, not knowing.
Awaiting ( curiously ) what you'll find out . . .
Hey mate, I've been trying to get a good load in my tikka .223. Where I'm at is 10 shot group all exactly in a horizontal line about 2 inches across. It was a little windy but not that bad. Would you stick to that powder charge and tweak the seating depth next? Thanks, great shooting by the way
8208XBR with the 40 grain VMAX!
Little left field but I bet Ramshot X-Terminator would give you quite a good show for velocity with that bullet. Not seen you use their powder much.
My goodness she's a shooter how do you really choose a load she shoots so good
Can you take a look at the hornady 35 grain NTX? I've had great luck with it in my 22-250 with benchmark but i think it'll do real well in the .223
26.5gr of X-terminator with the 40gr v-max is my go to.
Man that gun is a shooter. How does it do with factory hunting loads?
As a coyote hunter you can use any of those loads and not miss a coyote all season ! You can stop there. Would be interested in seeing what a say a 1 in 9 twist would do to the groups . Thanks for your hard work !…..
The 53 grain vmax was specifically designed for the 223.
Stretch it to 2-300 yds. That first group shows SD means d..k. Great shooting iron there.
I watched the whole vid ( actually both on this gun) what is the barrel length again ?
I would try accurate 2230,
That powder has worked excellent for me. Also annealing your brass, and seating depth. Are about your best to Avenues to increase accuracy.
I have great results with Benchmark through my CZ 527.
My best bullet to use on the famous 222 rem
i shoot a savage model 12 using hornady 75 grain bthp ,using h335 at 23 grains cant get the group to tighten up, i mean that all are kill shots for deer but like a closer group have any ideas by the way love yo videos and hello from sweet home al. ps i zero at 181 yds
Is there anyway we could get you to show the ES's I. The future? I think ES's show a little more, you can have the same SD, but the ES can be double or triple it.
23.5 grn N-133 is magical in my 700 varmint .233 with the 53grn vmax.
You talk about your grandpa a lot which is a good thing be kind of cool to see a picture of him? We all stress over those SD numbers and I wonder how important it really is after watching this?
breechlock for the win
Try some Ram shot TAC. Powder. My ruger American & Kimber 84 both In REM 223 , tack drive with that powder with Barnes 40gr hp and 40 gr v-max.
Probably someone asked it before, but can you write what sistem is that? I mean the electronic target sistem.
Thank you
Timi
Where did you find ppv? I haven't seen it in years.
Another interesting note! A famous old man said : for a short bullet , the depth of sitting the bullet should be .030 less of the bullet diameter .🤔 in other words if you sit any short .308 bullet , make sure , bullet is only .278 deep 👍