Cohle isn't really there for the file he's there to probe the reverend. He's wanted a face to face with him to study his response. Cohle approaches the discussion similar to how he interrogates suspects in the police station. First, it's a compliment, then he builds to his main point.
@@934istbut he fucks the ENTIRE investigation up with this visit. And allows Errol to go on killing for another 17 years. All so he could confirm his suspicions? Couldn’t he have done that without telling Billy Lee “I’m going to be investigating you for murder! Don’t let your first cousin, Eddie, the governor of this state that I am an employee of, to know about it or he’ll get me pulled from the case!?”
The fact that creatures like Tuttle can exist and go unpunished is a direct disproof of God IMO. No loving God could allow predators to disguise themselves as their servants. Hence God is either deliberately cruel, or simply not there at all.
Knuspabrot ... You say you want God to take out the bad guys, but I bet you have a problem with the stories of the Great Flood and the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. 🤣
@@Knuspabrot The interpretation of God and the rest is way, way out of bounds, rough, conceptual, idealistic, poetic if you like, far from real. The God is unity, which is everything, everything is one, this makes you God, but it does not mean you can shoot lightning out of your fingers, and no one, no one can prove that concepts of good and bad apply to reality and it's not just us getting away with our imaginations.
Tuttle did say it was built in the 80’s when ‘Mega churches’ really started to be a big source of money. Tuttle is definitely the kinda guy who would think that he’s so important that he shouldn’t have to open a door and loves to pretend he’s God (I mean he did horrible things using the church as a cover up to appear innocent and good🙄)
That subtle flute music at 2:40 is just perfect. Really captures the notion of Tuttle as a man capable of terrible things, and his little backhander to Rust about alcoholism as a mild deflection to Rust being on to him, as much as it shows that a cat-and-mouse game between the two has begun.
And also when the flute comes in again at 03:05. It fits so well with Tuttles reaction and realization that Rust is onto him and is on his way to discover the conspiracy.
I can't help but notice that Tuttle seems to have the same eye for weakness as Rust. Notice how as soon as Rust mentions Austin Ferrar, and Tuttle realizes how close Rust is to the conspiracy, Tuttle makes sure to mention how many souls have been lost down a bottle. And that a man who can't trust himself with a beer can't be trusted. I think he can look at Rust and see his weakness: self-medication and deprivation.
+Jefferson Bretthauer I think Tuttle's close ties with his state police department and the senior members of the PD, speak of Rust's personal life and his struggle with self-medicating behind his back,
+jbrettha jbrettha Agreed. However, I think there's an important distinction. Reverend Tuttle's eye for weakness comes from a lifetime spent preying on others for his own narcissistic gratification. Conversely, Rust has honed his perceptiveness by ruminating on every flaw and frailty within himself out of sheer self-loathing. In that regard, they're almost perfect foils of one another.
It was a chess like conversation. They were playing with each other trying to realize how much each one knew about all that dead people. Rust wins at the end, rejecting the files verification, because he get the answer at that moment. This scene gave chills.
Enemies of alcohol can often have a very keen eye for the signs. They can smell the subtle undercurrent. See around the eyes. They usually have an alcoholic parent or grandparent.
"When we get the school voucher program instituted, we'll reintroduce the idea. People should have a choice in education like everything else." AKA "We're going to keep making children disappear eventually." Fucking eerie.
IZn0g0uDatAll because youre blind to the realities of the world. Sad even after Epstein, Prince Andrew, Jimmy Saville, the royal family in general, people still choose to stay asleep
@@IZn0g0uDatAll There is defiantly evidence that is credible to support it; not to mention just the psychology of people in positions of great wealth and power. Certainly not all of them, but for a percentage, once they have everything and have done everything (everything not fucked up), nothing else really does it for them anymore. They constantly seek out more and more edgy shit until one day... you get the point. That and just the idea that they have attained such power that they can do stuff like that and not get in trouble is appealing in itself. There has been much written on it throughout history, not just recent times, by credible historians. Go look, defiantly there
@@ReasonablyBadActor There is zero evidence to support it. It's Q-anon level of crap. You people believe you are skeptical. You are just aggressively gullible, to a level that is staggering. Any diarrhea of a conspiracy is good enough as long as it fits your prejudices.
He wasn't interested in archives, he wanted face-to-face w/ Tuttle to take his measure and see how he reacted to "dead women and children." He wanted to look evil in the eye. I think Rust saw enough to confirm his instincts, and definitely hit a nerve with Tuttle and pierced his facade a bit. Extremely well acted by both men.
Love this scene because you can tell at a certain point during the conversation that Rust figures out that Tuttle is hiding something and is onto him, but at the same time the reverend figures out that Rust knows, so it's almost like a conversational standoff between who can make each other blink first
I've always also seen his last comment about how he'll be in the reverend's thoughts as a veiled threat so Rust would know when he got pulled in and suspended over it he'd know the Reverend wouldn't forget about anyone who tried poking their nose too far into his business. And yea, he knew he had the pull and connections to stop him way before he could ever find anything to pin on him, but he never imagined Rust was willing to lose his job for it and still keep looking to get his hands on the tape hidden in his safe. Sick bastard
The polished nature of everything and even the little subtle nod of employees on Segways is an effective way to show that Tuttle has wormed his way into modernity from the creepy depths of his secret cult.
it also ties in to his big body. remember the junkie in jail. he says there was so much good killing down there, he is a big man so i dont tell him to stfu. all tuttles kids were big
@@_Cato_ A part of me really wanted them to go FULL OCCULT with the ending but in hindsight I think it's most impressive that they managed to exercise restraint and keep it all implicit and in the background to the very end. It makes for a slightly dissatisfying anticlimax but I think it leaves the ambience to be much more haunting this way.
One of the best things about this season is that Tuttle never got what was coming despite so obviously deserving it. Such an eerie vague ending to this plot and season. Showrunner really showed restraint with that. These people are still out there, and these sorts of horrors will continue. God this was such a good season of television.
Didnt he “kill himself” after Rust took the tape from his house? He definitely died as a consequence for dealing with the cult. Rust just helped expedite his end.
"At the same time, it's hard to trust a man who can't trust himself with a beer." It's as if that comment communicates to Rust that Tuttle knows more about Rust's personal history than he could have ever imagined.
Reminds me of the scene with DeWall tbh. You can hear in his voice that he recognizes the look of someone who's been in the deep end. Him, Tuttle and Maggie were the only characters that ever got a solid read on Cohle.
@@stuffylamb3420 Sorry Stuffy but you might want to revisit the first episode. About 40 minutes in there is a scene where Rust shows up to Marty's house for dinner drunk. When Marty questions him about it, Rust explains that he didn't mean to get drunk and that he chooses to abstain from drinking because he has had problems with it before. This happened long before his conversation with Tuttle. So even in that early stage of the series we learn that Rust has a difficult time trusting his self-control with drinking a beer, just like Tuttle intimated.
I could write a whole essay on how much I love it when the entire tone of the conversation changes when Cohl drops the name Austin Ferrar. The acting direction in this show is outstanding, almost every single scene a layer of subtext that you only pick up on a rewatch or with careful analysis
Rust lets Tuttle know that he’s already talked to Ferrar about why he left or was rather “dismissed” and most likely that Ferrar told Rust about the pictures of children. At that point Tuttle deflects and lies about what really happened the “embezzled funds” and drinking problem that doubles as a jab at Rust. Brilliant conversation writing
@@1headphoneguyrust never meets or talks to ferrar, neither do we as the audience meet him. You’re confusing him with the preacher himself, which isn’t the case. The preacher tells Rust about Austin and the pictures he found, who then plays it off because he was probably part of the whole thing.
Love that the wooden doors, which are traditionally opened by hand, are automated. Gives a supernatural feel to the meeting, like doors opening and closing on their own in a haunted house
@@accvid7930 The Yellow king is satan. Not the fat guy who got head blown up at the end. Not tuttles. It's a deity whom those cults worshipped in the show. Their Godlike figure. It's been practicing for thousands years raping, killing, sacrificing innocent people in the name of Satan by cults. He has different name in different places but its the same thing. Like God in different regions calls Yahweh,Jehobah, Elah, Allah etc etc. Its from the same root. The ultimate evil = Satan.
@@ChrisBrown-ir6sf Satan doesn't exist though. Plus killing, raping, and sacrificing has been done in the name of God by millions and millions of Christians.. So yea pick your poison.
@@Turk_2023 nah he didn't hate her. he was angry at her but understood what she had to do. i think it's ep 7 or 8 where rust and marty are in the car and rust says to marty "shit i sure blamed you" marty laughs and asks what for. and rust says "for pushing a good woman to the point where she had to use me, use our partnership to get rid of you. because you were being a lying sack of shit" he doesn't hate maggie.
but that is coming from a reverend, the christian way of saying would go something like you'll be in my thoughts and prayer. But since the reverend is against Rust, he leaves the prayer part out of it.
Behemoth (/bɪˈhiːməθ, ˈbiːə-/; Hebrew: בהמות, behemot) is a beast mentioned in Job 40:15-24. Suggested identities range from a mythological creature to an elephant, hippopotamus, rhinoceros, or buffalo. Metaphorically, the name has come to be used for any extremely large or powerful entity. True detectives
So many great moments pointed out in the comments about this chess match, like Rust's look of 'I got him, this is the guy' at 3:29. But my personal favorite is at 3:58 when Tuttle's like, "We'll reintroduce the idea." With that subtle statement, he basically twists the knife on Rust: 'Yeah. I'm in on it. Not only that, but I have plans to bring all of it back.' Evil is such a diva---it can't help itself when others want to find it. Great performances.
the acting from minute 3:00 on is simply mind blowing. Look at Mcconaughey's mannerism, gesture and body language, oscar level acting. Needless to say, the whole scene and dialogue are also superb. I finished the series and can't stop watching the best parts over and over again.
I just noticed that by refusing to go to the archives, Rust might have avoided getting murdered. The Reverend said he will call ahead - possibly telling them to take care of Rust. Rust felt the possibility and rejected the offer. Remember, Rust is there without authorization from hiss boss, nobody knows he's there, and Reverend is aware of that after the conversation... Bullet dodged.
I was waiting for somebody else to notice this! Rust knows too...he doesn't even think twice before immediately rebuking the offer to go to some archive where they can make him disappear.
Killing a cop is absolutely not what he was planning to do, unless he has a death wish. That’s opening a whole ocean of problems for the reverend that might even surpass the issues he’s having with the “dead women and children”. Given what he was known to be working on at the time, this would have been a catastrophic mistake
@@tomoconnell2320 It's not a problem if Rust didn't tell anyone he was there. He wasn't exactly phoning into station with every move he made. Also, Rust has no family in the area and the Reverend most assuredly knew this since he know about Rust's drinking. Also, if he made Rust disappear, who's going to rat him out? Half the force is paid off or part of the cult. And his partner, Marty, is not exactly ambitious or a go getter, and going to start delving that deeply into what happened to Rust. If Rust didn't think it was a possibility he was in danger, why in the hell would he not take to opportunity to peruse extremely useful information he was being offered? Just not in the mood to work on the only thing that consumes his mind night and day? Doubtful. There is no problem killing a cop if the body never shows up anywhere.
No, no no. It was a way of saying I know I won't find anything anyway because of the "flood" that destroyed the archives, but I also that know you are lying hence I got everything already need.
Truly a masterclass from both men and a perfect example of the multiple layers present in the writing where one can watch and a single detail or even just a tiny pause or a look can convey deeper levels still. It truly is as if both men aren't reading from a script but involved in a dynamic cat and mouse, move and countermove each determining the next and constantly reassessing they're opponent and adjusting they're tactics. Both have that eye for weakness, Tuttle doesnt launch into any Dewaldian metaphysical monologues or profiles of Rust but he clearly sees that same darkness swirling about Rust that Dewald did and understands this is that rare type of bad man, one who had already against all odds confronted Reggie and Dewald in the dragons lair and came out the winner. Rust represented what Tuttle had never actually seen before a legitimate threat who saw him for who he really was.
Remember just watching this episode and saying in my head to myself like I was Rust. "Tuttle you sick fucking piece of shit. I know what you've been up to. Just came to hear you lie."
I just watched the series, so just to clarify - this reverend was a participant in those rituals with the little girls? Like the tape Marty watched in Rust's storage?
Man, the smallest little smile and subtle recognition in the eyes and then the cold concern at 3:07 is some great acting. Says everything without saying anything. This show gets more relevant the more time passes. Masterpiece.
I like to think the neon cross is symbolic of Tuttle. The cross is empty, filled with nothing, no real morals, only having a border protecting what is really within but no one can see, its part of his facade. At first glance it is intriguing but it is not representative of traditional values, its unfitting. Just my take on it, this show makes me analyze everything because of the small details.
When he says it's hard to trust a man who can't trust him self with a beer. He was indirectly throwing a dig into Rust. Like he had checked out rust and his background and knew he wasn't well liked on the force.
He knew everything about him and Marty. The affairs, the drinking, probably knows more about Rust narco days than anyone in Louisiana. That's the first step with men like this and of these resources, find out everything about you to discredit and destroy you if it comes to that, kill you in a drunken wreck like Ferrar or a love triangle in Marty case, it would all hold water and the cops would close it quick to sweep all the sordid details under the carpet to not dishonor an officer's memory. Walk you into ambush, hero cops killed by meth head etc. Tuttle has the connections and reach to find all the dirt, all the redacted material in Rust file. In the bible belt Rust not believing in God, being very unpopular with other cops, Tuttle would have even good cops think they were doing Gods work by helping him or there just straight corrupt or revenge on Rust like when he smacked Steve, he would probably speak at there funerals and have Eddie the governor pin a medal on there corpse and hand Maggie a folded flag. That's why everything had to be off book, Rust breaking into his house and him and Marty going it alone. Even good cops can be used as pawns and not even know it. Know you're enemy as you know yourself. Happens all the time in the real world. Shoot unarmed people and put a gun in there hand and some dope on the table minus what they steal, the cops who end up in court are the ones who just messed up, the real evil ones get medals, plan it out, there cops they know how to get away with it and leave no witnesses except there fellow officers. Men like Tuttle we never even hear about there crimes, there army of cops and judges and politicians make sure of it.
He was throwing a dig at Rust. The way I took it, was he said that as a way to show Rust how easily he could discredit him for being a drunk and having these wild theories.
OMG!!!!!!! Reverend Tuttle is The Yellow King! Look at the white-yellow hue of the building and office,and especially his tie! After seeing the series, in-full, again, the clues are all there to a myriad of things.
ExposingZionistEvil he's not the yellow king, he probably played an important part in the clan and had control over thugs like childress and ledoux but once that videotape went missing they wiped him away too.
@@glutamin111Actually Reverend Billy Tuttle was the Yellow King. His father Sam Tuttle was the Yellow King before him, and Sam's father was probably the Yellow King before that and so on back to the founding of America. Remember they had been in Louisiana (A long time) and were an ancient family. When the reverends house gets broken into and they find the child sacrifice tape and he Tuttle later "kills himself" Childress takes over as the Yellow King as there are no Tuttles left taking part in the cult. By 2012 the cult was mostly a shadow of what it used to be. The body being found in 1995 and the reverends school system going bust made it to hard for them to operate any longer. But Sam's "other families" (childress and ledoux) tried to keep the cult going.
At 3:22 when Tuttle inquires about the investigation, Rust touches the side of his nose twice as he says that he "can't speak about it." I believe this is a subtle gesture used by espionage groups and other sketchy secret keepers to non-verbally communicate to another person that they know a secret or classified piece of info.
A lot of police do that as well when they are interrogating the main suspect of a crime. It’s a subtle way of saying “I know more than you think that I do and I’m onto you”
" I've seen more souls lost down a bottle than any pit, at the same time it's hard to trust a man who can't trust himself with a beer, don't you think?" - Omar Little
I think it's in response to rustin catching on to him. He said it's hard to trust a man who can't trust themselves with a beer. That I also feel is him saying he knows personal things about rust as well. It makes sense considering that the task force he runs and other officers are working for him which might indicate that he's getting his information from them about rustin since rustin is making alot of noise about the yellow king and missing children again.
BIGBIRD208 Yeah I picked up on that too. There must have been gossiping at the police station rust works at, with one of the police chiefs and Tuttle, for him to know of Rust. The pit part of the comment made me wonder though.
Alonzo Stanway rust and Marty got close when they got Reggie and Dewalt that's why the schools shut down and rust knows that. I'm sure he knows everything about rust from the time he came down about the task force he probably never dreamed they would get as far as they did.
"any pit" is just a general biblical reference as hell or the way to it is often called "the pit". But yeah, I believe the real importance of the line is just a cloaked reference to Rust's alcoholism.
The cube on the building is the first tell. It’s a reference to the cube of Saturn. Which is the satanic connection. That’s why it is so out of place and Rusty mentions how interesting (strange) the building is and the reverend just conveniently overlooks that and pretends Rusty was tossing a compliment and talks about how the campus has grown. The other tells that the Christian campus is just a mockery...is everything with the reverend and his office is first class except the dollar store neon cross. He is wearing a thousand dollar suit, $300 perfect hair cut, silver tongue, gold rings and watch, leather and mahogany furniture, automatic doors...and then this cheap ass neon cross. Just putting it in your face and mocking everyone who follows him and the ministry.
@@Deira854 Breaking bad wasn't close to the level of True Detective s1. I agree 1000%. This os art. Breaking bad was entertaining and everything but it's not the same. In fact I'd put this and The Shield way above Breaking Bad
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Oh snap... Here comes the quarterly True Detective S01 clip binge...
Best show ever.
i'm on my 5th rewatch, please send help i can't stop
Personally I lost count, i'm on the 5th or 6th? Really can't remember, I did a season 1 complete rewatch just today
time is a flat circle
Lol I got sick of paying for HBO every few months to watch it, I just bought the Blu-ray 😂
When he says "Dead women and children" you can tell he´s enjoying the akwardness and tension that he´s creating on the reverend
Very underrated comment. He's got a smirk on his face, knowing he's right and enjoying putting Tuttle in an awkward spot.
Cohle isn't really there for the file he's there to probe the reverend. He's wanted a face to face with him to study his response. Cohle approaches the discussion similar to how he interrogates suspects in the police station. First, it's a compliment, then he builds to his main point.
@@934ist Facts
@@934istbut he fucks the ENTIRE investigation up with this visit. And allows Errol to go on killing for another 17 years. All so he could confirm his suspicions? Couldn’t he have done that without telling Billy Lee “I’m going to be investigating you for murder! Don’t let your first cousin, Eddie, the governor of this state that I am an employee of, to know about it or he’ll get me pulled from the case!?”
@@austincurry9861The Reverend doesn't seem to give a shit tho. He's enjoying it.
Man the way Tuttle mentions reintroducing the wellspring program again almost sounded like he was taunting rust...spooky
They'll reintroduce it once they can start leeching off the US taxpayers again.
Bone-chilling for sure. I think you're right with that one
Almost? Definitely an overt threat.
I really like how once Rust realizes he is lying he doesn't take his eyes off of him for a while. He's good.
This... is... a... tv... $/how(23/23)...
@@nuckymancini7013 This is a youtube video
This is life, it didn't happen, but its real
He doesn’t even blink. Perfectly played.
@@nuckymancini7013 There's no point in watching a fictional TV show if you can't imagine the characters to be real.
"You'll be in my thoughts."
But not my prayers.
...
What a great line.
Yeah, came off as more of a threat
Looked like he was heading for the phone as the door closes.
Love the score that starts up then
Considering what the reverend worships, I wouldn't be surprised if Rust IS in his prayers.
@@darganx he did say he was going to call ahead like 10 seconds before, what's your point here?
YELLOW TIE
Oooooo good catch
Great catch.
I have a feeling there are tons of "Reverand Tuttles" out there. But not nearly enough Rusts or Martys.
The fact that creatures like Tuttle can exist and go unpunished is a direct disproof of God IMO. No loving God could allow predators to disguise themselves as their servants. Hence God is either deliberately cruel, or simply not there at all.
Knuspabrot very good observation and assumption, but at the same time the greatest trick the devil pulled was making people think he wasn’t real.
Knuspabrot ... You say you want God to take out the bad guys, but I bet you have a problem with the stories of the Great Flood and the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. 🤣
@@Knuspabrot The interpretation of God and the rest is way, way out of bounds, rough, conceptual, idealistic, poetic if you like, far from real. The God is unity, which is everything, everything is one, this makes you God, but it does not mean you can shoot lightning out of your fingers, and no one, no one can prove that concepts of good and bad apply to reality and it's not just us getting away with our imaginations.
I would trust my feelings if I were you. So many dark secrets...
The automated doors, the big neon cross, the music... everything was just so creepy in this scene, like the start of a dark path
So true.
Vader would approve.
Broad is the path that leads to destruction.
Tuttle did say it was built in the 80’s when ‘Mega churches’ really started to be a big source of money. Tuttle is definitely the kinda guy who would think that he’s so important that he shouldn’t have to open a door and loves to pretend he’s God (I mean he did horrible things using the church as a cover up to appear innocent and good🙄)
@stirange Evil. Every hardcore religious fanatic is as close to evil as is humanely possible to get.
I love the way Tuttle just casually mentions that he gives money to the State Policeman’s charity as a subtle hint that a bribe would be on the table.
thats reaching
I'd say more that it's a warning that before you ask anything that will get you in trouble, all of your bosses receive donations from me.
No it was more of a Subtle THREAT ..
Jeff from Jersey Yeah it could’ve been a threat as well. Or both.
Yep it was Tuttle way of letting Rust know his deep connections with the department.
That subtle flute music at 2:40 is just perfect. Really captures the notion of Tuttle as a man capable of terrible things, and his little backhander to Rust about alcoholism as a mild deflection to Rust being on to him, as much as it shows that a cat-and-mouse game between the two has begun.
And also when the flute comes in again at 03:05.
It fits so well with Tuttles reaction and realization that Rust is onto him and is on his way to discover the conspiracy.
@@as52343 anyone has that music ?
@@uquiorrax927the flute song by flutey mcfluteson
Holier than thou attitude.
3:06 The moment they both acknowledged the fact that they understand each other perfectly.
Notice Rust never shook the Reverends hand after the conversation ...
I can't help but notice that Tuttle seems to have the same eye for weakness as Rust. Notice how as soon as Rust mentions Austin Ferrar, and Tuttle realizes how close Rust is to the conspiracy, Tuttle makes sure to mention how many souls have been lost down a bottle. And that a man who can't trust himself with a beer can't be trusted. I think he can look at Rust and see his weakness: self-medication and deprivation.
+Jefferson Bretthauer I think Tuttle's close ties with his state police department and the senior members of the PD, speak of Rust's personal life and his struggle with self-medicating behind his back,
+jbrettha jbrettha Agreed. However, I think there's an important distinction. Reverend Tuttle's eye for weakness comes from a lifetime spent preying on others for his own narcissistic gratification. Conversely, Rust has honed his perceptiveness by ruminating on every flaw and frailty within himself out of sheer self-loathing. In that regard, they're almost perfect foils of one another.
It was a chess like conversation. They were playing with each other trying to realize how much each one knew about all that dead people. Rust wins at the end, rejecting the files verification, because he get the answer at that moment. This scene gave chills.
Enemies of alcohol can often have a very keen eye for the signs. They can smell the subtle undercurrent. See around the eyes.
They usually have an alcoholic parent or grandparent.
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I dont think that the senior PD knew that Rust was an alcaholic, i think tuttle just sensed it.
this series is easily one of the cinematic masterpieces of the past 100 years.
Ronny I’d say easily 200 years
@@zizoumonk10 I'd say 300 years.
@@siberianTiger639 Nah, more like 295.
Too bad it fell apart after this 1 season!
@@puma59graciefighter season 3 was good too
"When we get the school voucher program instituted, we'll reintroduce the idea. People should have a choice in education like everything else." AKA "We're going to keep making children disappear eventually." Fucking eerie.
The ALMOST smile on the reverend’s face before quickly turning into feigned concern when Rust says “Dead women and children”
The subtle panic in Tuttle throughout this conversation. Great acting.
Guys like Tuttle are out there, among us everday.
I don't think there are many satanist cult ritualistically raping and killing children, no.
IZn0g0uDatAll because youre blind to the realities of the world. Sad even after Epstein, Prince Andrew, Jimmy Saville, the royal family in general, people still choose to stay asleep
@@ericg1100 Based on exactly zero evidence. Ok.
@@IZn0g0uDatAll There is defiantly evidence that is credible to support it; not to mention just the psychology of people in positions of great wealth and power. Certainly not all of them, but for a percentage, once they have everything and have done everything (everything not fucked up), nothing else really does it for them anymore. They constantly seek out more and more edgy shit until one day... you get the point. That and just the idea that they have attained such power that they can do stuff like that and not get in trouble is appealing in itself. There has been much written on it throughout history, not just recent times, by credible historians. Go look, defiantly there
@@ReasonablyBadActor There is zero evidence to support it. It's Q-anon level of crap.
You people believe you are skeptical. You are just aggressively gullible, to a level that is staggering. Any diarrhea of a conspiracy is good enough as long as it fits your prejudices.
Two master manipulators going head to head. Rust knew he was up against a worthy adversary and Tuttle knew Rust was onto him.
He wasn't interested in archives, he wanted face-to-face w/ Tuttle to take his measure and see how he reacted to "dead women and children." He wanted to look evil in the eye.
I think Rust saw enough to confirm his instincts, and definitely hit a nerve with Tuttle and pierced his facade a bit. Extremely well acted by both men.
Love this scene because you can tell at a certain point during the conversation that Rust figures out that Tuttle is hiding something and is onto him, but at the same time the reverend figures out that Rust knows, so it's almost like a conversational standoff between who can make each other blink first
+Tyler Livingston It was just a friendly conversation ;)
+Tyler Livingston I think Rust walked in there knowing something was off. You can see it in his face.
I like the cockiness and arrogance of Tuttle. Even in his last words as Rust was walking away. He knew he'd never find anything to pin on him.
he knew from the get go. You ever seen Rust tread that lightly, he had him on toast but needed to get him on record denying he was a jelly donut.
I've always also seen his last comment about how he'll be in the reverend's thoughts as a veiled threat so Rust would know when he got pulled in and suspended over it he'd know the Reverend wouldn't forget about anyone who tried poking their nose too far into his business. And yea, he knew he had the pull and connections to stop him way before he could ever find anything to pin on him, but he never imagined Rust was willing to lose his job for it and still keep looking to get his hands on the tape hidden in his safe. Sick bastard
The polished nature of everything and even the little subtle nod of employees on Segways is an effective way to show that Tuttle has wormed his way into modernity from the creepy depths of his secret cult.
Reverend Tuttle was such a frightening presence.
it also ties in to his big body. remember the junkie in jail. he says there was so much good killing down there, he is a big man so i dont tell him to stfu. all tuttles kids were big
When he says ' terrible that's terrible' he has this disturbing grin as though he wants rust to know he enjoys wgatvhe does
What exactly would he do
I love the little musical tune that starts playing quietly after he mentions the drinking
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So ominous and discordant. Love the subtle soundtrack to this show.
@@_Cato_ A part of me really wanted them to go FULL OCCULT with the ending but in hindsight I think it's most impressive that they managed to exercise restraint and keep it all implicit and in the background to the very end. It makes for a slightly dissatisfying anticlimax but I think it leaves the ambience to be much more haunting this way.
Don’t think they could have played any better music. Creepy
Is there any way to get this track?
It’s definitely a tonal shift
One of the best things about this season is that Tuttle never got what was coming despite so obviously deserving it. Such an eerie vague ending to this plot and season. Showrunner really showed restraint with that. These people are still out there, and these sorts of horrors will continue. God this was such a good season of television.
Didnt he “kill himself” after Rust took the tape from his house? He definitely died as a consequence for dealing with the cult. Rust just helped expedite his end.
@@Xerclipsedeath is too immediate for crimes like this. He should’ve been made to rot in a jail cell, but power corrupts
"At the same time, it's hard to trust a man who can't trust himself with a beer."
It's as if that comment communicates to Rust that Tuttle knows more about Rust's personal history than he could have ever imagined.
Yes sir, tuttle burned the shit out of cohle there
Reminds me of the scene with DeWall tbh. You can hear in his voice that he recognizes the look of someone who's been in the deep end. Him, Tuttle and Maggie were the only characters that ever got a solid read on Cohle.
Rust wasn’t an alcoholic til after this scene
@@stuffylamb3420 Sorry Stuffy but you might want to revisit the first episode. About 40 minutes in there is a scene where Rust shows up to Marty's house for dinner drunk. When Marty questions him about it, Rust explains that he didn't mean to get drunk and that he chooses to abstain from drinking because he has had problems with it before. This happened long before his conversation with Tuttle. So even in that early stage of the series we learn that Rust has a difficult time trusting his self-control with drinking a beer, just like Tuttle intimated.
@@stuffylamb3420yeah. Rust was SOBER in this scene, but he already had a well-established drinking problem
“Not as much as they owe you”
Coooold bloooooded
I like the fact Tuttle is wearing a golden tie and pocket square, subtly hinting the yellow king.
This meeting. Christ.
So much shady bullshit and double talk from Tuttle. It’s wonderful. So subtle. Brilliantly acted and directed.
I could write a whole essay on how much I love it when the entire tone of the conversation changes when Cohl drops the name Austin Ferrar. The acting direction in this show is outstanding, almost every single scene a layer of subtext that you only pick up on a rewatch or with careful analysis
Greatest thing ever televised
Rust lets Tuttle know that he’s already talked to Ferrar about why he left or was rather “dismissed” and most likely that Ferrar told Rust about the pictures of children. At that point Tuttle deflects and lies about what really happened the “embezzled funds” and drinking problem that doubles as a jab at Rust. Brilliant conversation writing
@@1headphoneguyrust never meets or talks to ferrar, neither do we as the audience meet him. You’re confusing him with the preacher himself, which isn’t the case. The preacher tells Rust about Austin and the pictures he found, who then plays it off because he was probably part of the whole thing.
Love that the wooden doors, which are traditionally opened by hand, are automated. Gives a supernatural feel to the meeting, like doors opening and closing on their own in a haunted house
That moment when rust is onto him and Tuttle knows it and the entire scene changes...
This reverand somehow seems scarier than all the hardcore gangsters Rust has talked to.
Smokey Robinson because “God” is on his side
@@Sudman117
You mean his God = Satan ?
@@ChrisBrown-ir6sf The yellow king
@@accvid7930
The Yellow king is satan. Not the fat guy who got head blown up at the end. Not tuttles. It's a deity whom those cults worshipped in the show. Their Godlike figure. It's been practicing for thousands years raping, killing, sacrificing innocent people in the name of Satan by cults. He has different name in different places but its the same thing. Like God in different regions calls Yahweh,Jehobah, Elah, Allah etc etc. Its from the same root. The ultimate evil = Satan.
@@ChrisBrown-ir6sf Satan doesn't exist though. Plus killing, raping, and sacrificing has been done in the name of God by millions and millions of Christians.. So yea pick your poison.
Rust always hated this guy, what a creep.
To be fair Rust hated everyone except Rust, even Maggie after he banged her..
Bill & Bill`s Gentlemans Club - I think Rust hates Rust the most
@@Turk_2023 nah he didn't hate her. he was angry at her but understood what she had to do. i think it's ep 7 or 8 where rust and marty are in the car and rust says to marty "shit i sure blamed you" marty laughs and asks what for. and rust says "for pushing a good woman to the point where she had to use me, use our partnership to get rid of you. because you were being a lying sack of shit" he doesn't hate maggie.
Pretty sure Rust kills Tuttle since he mysteriously overdoses shortly after Rust finds the video tape.
HatRack the other guys in the tape killed Tuttle when they found out the evidence was out in the open and Tuttle was supposed to keep it secret.
"You'll be in my thoughts..."
The fact that someone can even live in that man's mind in the form of a thought is terrifying to think about.
but that is coming from a reverend, the christian way of saying would go something like you'll be in my thoughts and prayer. But since the reverend is against Rust, he leaves the prayer part out of it.
@@user-gu9nx2ww5k very well put.
Last seen your comment 3 y ago and liked it,liking it again
The actor who plays Tuttle has some voice on him.
@@thegirlinquestion shut up bitch
Daniel Treadwell I thought it was funny man
Behemoth (/bɪˈhiːməθ, ˈbiːə-/; Hebrew: בהמות, behemot) is a beast mentioned in Job 40:15-24. Suggested identities range from a mythological creature to an elephant, hippopotamus, rhinoceros, or buffalo. Metaphorically, the name has come to be used for any extremely large or powerful entity. True detectives
@@tartarusunbounded5848 shut up stupid
Well this comment thread has reached new levels of excellence.
So many great moments pointed out in the comments about this chess match, like Rust's look of 'I got him, this is the guy' at 3:29. But my personal favorite is at 3:58 when Tuttle's like, "We'll reintroduce the idea." With that subtle statement, he basically twists the knife on Rust: 'Yeah. I'm in on it. Not only that, but I have plans to bring all of it back.'
Evil is such a diva---it can't help itself when others want to find it. Great performances.
Tuttle is a capering demon
Love it when the music starts in at 2:41. Chilling.
Any idea what the music is called ?
Kabira Speaking the score was made just for this show its literally impossible to find it
(Looking out at massive campus from big fancy office) "Why did the Wellspring program shut down reverend?"
"It couldn't sustain its costs"
"we did lose a lot of files" sounds like hillary clinton
Lol sustaining costs makes at least breaking even. They were losing money from the program.
I think what this means is it couldn't procure them enough victims fast enough without arousing too much suspicion. Its COSTS.
@@WolfsH0ok oh, shut up.
@@WolfsH0ok sound more like Ivanka
this is one of the best scene in the whole Series!
the acting from minute 3:00 on is simply mind blowing.
Look at Mcconaughey's mannerism, gesture and body language, oscar level acting.
Needless to say, the whole scene and dialogue are also superb. I finished the series and can't stop watching the best parts over and over again.
Ashton kutcher can't do that 🤷
The music really backs the acting up.
It’s not that mind blowing dude. It’s just good acting. And I hope it takes more than 10 seconds of good acting to win an Oscar.
His expression at 3:08, the fucker actually has a hint of a smirk
At 3:09 you can just barely see Tuttle break and start to smile before resuming the game with cohl. Perfect face acting.
I just noticed that by refusing to go to the archives, Rust might have avoided getting murdered. The Reverend said he will call ahead - possibly telling them to take care of Rust. Rust felt the possibility and rejected the offer. Remember, Rust is there without authorization from hiss boss, nobody knows he's there, and Reverend is aware of that after the conversation... Bullet dodged.
I was waiting for somebody else to notice this! Rust knows too...he doesn't even think twice before immediately rebuking the offer to go to some archive where they can make him disappear.
Killing a cop is absolutely not what he was planning to do, unless he has a death wish. That’s opening a whole ocean of problems for the reverend that might even surpass the issues he’s having with the “dead women and children”. Given what he was known to be working on at the time, this would have been a catastrophic mistake
@@tomoconnell2320 It's not a problem if Rust didn't tell anyone he was there. He wasn't exactly phoning into station with every move he made. Also, Rust has no family in the area and the Reverend most assuredly knew this since he know about Rust's drinking. Also, if he made Rust disappear, who's going to rat him out? Half the force is paid off or part of the cult. And his partner, Marty, is not exactly ambitious or a go getter, and going to start delving that deeply into what happened to Rust. If Rust didn't think it was a possibility he was in danger, why in the hell would he not take to opportunity to peruse extremely useful information he was being offered? Just not in the mood to work on the only thing that consumes his mind night and day? Doubtful. There is no problem killing a cop if the body never shows up anywhere.
No, no no. It was a way of saying I know I won't find anything anyway because of the "flood" that destroyed the archives, but I also that know you are lying hence I got everything already need.
Like a sit down with the devil.
Tuttle wasn't prepared.
Rust is the guy that hunts devils for breakfast. He wasn't phased at all
After 3:00 it's just acting brilliancy.
The way Mathew acted through his eyes was just outstanding!!
I think this scene defines what "True Detective" means. You go after what you have to, no matter what.
I love how a drops "State police charity" just to let Rust know he has financial connections to the higher-ups in the department
"You'll be in my thoughts''.
Yes he will.
This scene is unnerving and fascinating. Rust never blinks. His eyes tell the entire story and the reverend reads it as it was intended.
this show is just so well done. the segways in the opening of this scene just sets the mood for the kind of snobbery you are about to witness
Lol, I loved it when he stood up and walked over to the window. That's when the real suspicion boiled up
This scene always creeped me out.
Truly a masterclass from both men and a perfect example of the multiple layers present in the writing where one can watch and a single detail or even just a tiny pause or a look can convey deeper levels still. It truly is as if both men aren't reading from a script but involved in a dynamic cat and mouse, move and countermove each determining the next and constantly reassessing they're opponent and adjusting they're tactics. Both have that eye for weakness, Tuttle doesnt launch into any Dewaldian metaphysical monologues or profiles of Rust but he clearly sees that same darkness swirling about Rust that Dewald did and understands this is that rare type of bad man, one who had already against all odds confronted Reggie and Dewald in the dragons lair and came out the winner. Rust represented what Tuttle had never actually seen before a legitimate threat who saw him for who he really was.
This scene is just a masterclass in tension and wordless acting.
That eerie music..... so genius
3:06 Rust knows he's got him. Great acting.
Remember just watching this episode and saying in my head to myself like I was Rust. "Tuttle you sick fucking piece of shit. I know what you've been up to. Just came to hear you lie."
I just watched the series, so just to clarify - this reverend was a participant in those rituals with the little girls? Like the tape Marty watched in Rust's storage?
Julian yep. Rust got that tape from Tuttle's house. Tuttle was not only a participant but also one of the ringleaders.
The segways are signs of perversity...
Roberto Clemente how? elaborate? i agree but im jw
well i'm sort of joking and sort of scared of segways.
it's only a matter of time until we have a serial killer known as "the segway killer".
Thanks for making me spit out my coffee!
it was in 2002,did people get segway back then?
Man, the smallest little smile and subtle recognition in the eyes and then the cold concern at 3:07 is some great acting. Says everything without saying anything. This show gets more relevant the more time passes. Masterpiece.
Religion gives you relative impunity, tax exemption, and access to children. What could possibly go wrong?
yep fucking sick like larry king in 80s boys town selling kids listen to that kids to bohemian groove
The reverend's skeletons were unrelated to his religious status.
@@saeedvazirian Everything is related
Michael Kelley blame god. Not the sicko. Do pencils cause misspelled words?
@@Raycurlee23 Except this man used his status as Reverend to get access to children...
The way the doors close at the end..always sent chills down my spine.
That musical sound effect gives chills
I have come to the hard conclusiion that no other season will ever be as good as season 1 of True Detective :(
It Is a reasonable assumption
You'd probably be right. As in no other season of any show ever
Season 3 is almost as good as the season 1 but McConaughey is something else..
@@rap69800 s3 could have been great, but it ended so poorly.
Матйaс I completely agree with you lol.
Rusts face after he says "there were religious exemptions" is priceless.
I like how the doors open and shut by themselves all creepily.
"it's hard to trust a man who can't trust himself with a beer"
this dude did a law and order episode where he was absolutely brilliant. Great actor
I wish I've never seen this show so that I would be able to watch it for the first time again
I like to think the neon cross is symbolic of Tuttle. The cross is empty, filled with nothing, no real morals, only having a border protecting what is really within but no one can see, its part of his facade. At first glance it is intriguing but it is not representative of traditional values, its unfitting. Just my take on it, this show makes me analyze everything because of the small details.
This man exists in America today.
Reverend Turtle hides inside his shell when threatened. 🐢
lol
"Religious exemptions"
Love that line, from there, Tuttle was trying to digging himself out of that hole.
This honestly might be the best scene in the show. The only time we really get to take a good hard look at the villain.
Jay Sanders
One of the most under-utilized actors ever.
This becomes really fucking creepy if you consider the kids on his wall might be past victims
This scene sends chills down my spine because men like this are actually out there.
The Reverend was cast perfectly. Very sinister.
“I’ve seen more souls lost down a bottle than any pit”
As evil as this guy is, the most unpleasant thing about this whole scene is that truly disgusting neon green cross on the wall.
nameuser4761 the tacky arrogance
Him saying he will come back for easily doctored records is a threat. Warns the Reverend he has been found out and the records don't actually matter.
Doubt it..he knew he was going to be killed as soon as he set foot in that archive room.
When he says it's hard to trust a man who can't trust him self with a beer. He was indirectly throwing a dig into Rust. Like he had checked out rust and his background and knew he wasn't well liked on the force.
He knew everything about him and Marty. The affairs, the drinking, probably knows more about Rust narco days than anyone in Louisiana. That's the first step with men like this and of these resources, find out everything about you to discredit and destroy you if it comes to that, kill you in a drunken wreck like Ferrar or a love triangle in Marty case, it would all hold water and the cops would close it quick to sweep all the sordid details under the carpet to not dishonor an officer's memory. Walk you into ambush, hero cops killed by meth head etc. Tuttle has the connections and reach to find all the dirt, all the redacted material in Rust file. In the bible belt Rust not believing in God, being very unpopular with other cops, Tuttle would have even good cops think they were doing Gods work by helping him or there just straight corrupt or revenge on Rust like when he smacked Steve, he would probably speak at there funerals and have Eddie the governor pin a medal on there corpse and hand Maggie a folded flag. That's why everything had to be off book, Rust breaking into his house and him and Marty going it alone. Even good cops can be used as pawns and not even know it. Know you're enemy as you know yourself. Happens all the time in the real world. Shoot unarmed people and put a gun in there hand and some dope on the table minus what they steal, the cops who end up in court are the ones who just messed up, the real evil ones get medals, plan it out, there cops they know how to get away with it and leave no witnesses except there fellow officers. Men like Tuttle we never even hear about there crimes, there army of cops and judges and politicians make sure of it.
He was throwing a dig at Rust. The way I took it, was he said that as a way to show Rust how easily he could discredit him for being a drunk and having these wild theories.
OMG!!!!!!! Reverend Tuttle is The Yellow King! Look at the white-yellow hue of the building and office,and especially his tie! After seeing the series, in-full, again, the clues are all there to a myriad of things.
zimonslot But then it would have been predictable. That's another thing the show succeeded admirably in: originality of plot structure.
ExposingZionistEvil
he's not the yellow king, he probably played an important part in the clan and had control over thugs like childress and ledoux but once that videotape went missing they wiped him away too.
Sam Tuttle was the original yella king ya Dipshit
@@glutamin111Actually Reverend Billy Tuttle was the Yellow King. His father Sam Tuttle was the Yellow King before him, and Sam's father was probably the Yellow King before that and so on back to the founding of America. Remember they had been in Louisiana (A long time) and were an ancient family.
When the reverends house gets broken into and they find the child sacrifice tape and he Tuttle later "kills himself" Childress takes over as the Yellow King as there are no Tuttles left taking part in the cult.
By 2012 the cult was mostly a shadow of what it used to be. The body being found in 1995 and the reverends school system going bust made it to hard for them to operate any longer. But Sam's "other families" (childress and ledoux) tried to keep the cult going.
The flyers they look at with Jesus in the beginning are yellow, and the church windows are yellow too in the abandoned church
I'm sure someone else said it already, but i remembered the Rev saying "This was the first, the rest grew around it." One more circular reference.
"Rust had about a sharp an eye for weakness ive ever seen"
he's looking right thru Tuttle. I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes boy!
At 3:22 when Tuttle inquires about the investigation, Rust touches the side of his nose twice as he says that he "can't speak about it." I believe this is a subtle gesture used by espionage groups and other sketchy secret keepers to non-verbally communicate to another person that they know a secret or classified piece of info.
Man, the details in this series...
A lot of police do that as well when they are interrogating the main suspect of a crime. It’s a subtle way of saying “I know more than you think that I do and I’m onto you”
"Money ain't got no owners. Only spenders." - Reverend Tuttle
" I've seen more souls lost down a bottle than any pit, at the same time it's hard to trust a man who can't trust himself with a beer, don't you think?" - Omar Little
"You can't trust quotes on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln
''I've seen more souls lost down the bottle than any pit''
I wonder if Tuttle is referencing Carcosa.
I think it's in response to rustin catching on to him. He said it's hard to trust a man who can't trust themselves with a beer. That I also feel is him saying he knows personal things about rust as well. It makes sense considering that the task force he runs and other officers are working for him which might indicate that he's getting his information from them about rustin since rustin is making alot of noise about the yellow king and missing children again.
BIGBIRD208 Yeah I picked up on that too. There must have been gossiping at the police station rust works at, with one of the police chiefs and Tuttle, for him to know of Rust. The pit part of the comment made me wonder though.
Alonzo Stanway rust and Marty got close when they got Reggie and Dewalt that's why the schools shut down and rust knows that. I'm sure he knows everything about rust from the time he came down about the task force he probably never dreamed they would get as far as they did.
"any pit" is just a general biblical reference as hell or the way to it is often called "the pit". But yeah, I believe the real importance of the line is just a cloaked reference to Rust's alcoholism.
He is referencing Rusts own drinking, he is letting him know he knows about Rusts problems
A neon cross. Classy
I love how this is just a microcosm for the whole Epstein situation.
@TM Films are u one of those people "epstein didn't kill himself"
@@davidrabbit8868 Are you one of these "I believe that a billionaire who was gonna rat on very powerful people committed suicide'' people ?
this show felt more like a documentary
more like the franklin child trafficking conspiracy
@@worldlycashmoneyenterprises wait what’s that abt?
The cube on the building is the first tell. It’s a reference to the cube of Saturn. Which is the satanic connection. That’s why it is so out of place and Rusty mentions how interesting (strange) the building is and the reverend just conveniently overlooks that and pretends Rusty was tossing a compliment and talks about how the campus has grown. The other tells that the Christian campus is just a mockery...is everything with the reverend and his office is first class except the dollar store neon cross. He is wearing a thousand dollar suit, $300 perfect hair cut, silver tongue, gold rings and watch, leather and mahogany furniture, automatic doors...and then this cheap ass neon cross. Just putting it in your face and mocking everyone who follows him and the ministry.
I know the research I've done. I'm good with it. If you commented and then went and looked it up, that says something about you, not me reaching.
He had a patio too. Like whaaaaa what reverend makes that much?
This is an outstanding set of observations!
@@lordjrd4459Look up Joel Osteen. He makes money hand over fist, and may very well be just as corrupt and wicked as Tuttle is
@@lordjrd4459Shady ones. Look up Joel Osteen’s house
the music that starts at 2:39..... gives me chills
I feel like, if Blood Meridian were ever to receive an adaptation, Tuttle's actor would be a good choice for the Judge. Him or Vincent D'Onofrio.
I'm on board. this guy could defo pull it off I reckon
“Not as much as they owe you”
I always interpreted this as rusts way of saying “I know you’re running things around here. I see right through you.”
As great as Rust is here, knowing what Tuttle did on that tape, you wish he would have met biker Rust
Both know more than they want to say! I love when the music kicks in, absolutely haunting!
I may be quite late to this but it doesn't change how lovely a detail it is to have his tie and handkerchief be yellow
Indeed was a "friendly" conversation!
So the reverend basically gave himself away by calling the task force after this " friendly conversation".
@Clandestine Council But he still informed Rust's superiors after this.
This is the unluckiest show in the history of award shows going up against the final season of Breaking Bad.
I know, Breaking Bad was nothing compared to this show, I mean just look at the details of everything, the eerie music score etc...
@@Deira854 Breaking bad wasn't close to the level of True Detective s1. I agree 1000%. This os art. Breaking bad was entertaining and everything but it's not the same.
In fact I'd put this and The Shield way above Breaking Bad
Incredible show, the more I watch this clip, the more I notice the subtle hint/insinuations