Can 180 Hz Make Me a Pro? | feat. Pixio PX277 Prime Neo
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Testing the Pixio PX 277 Prime Neo 180 Hz 1440P 27” monitor in 3 competitive shooters, to see if a high refresh experience can turn a bad player into a pro.
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00:00 High refresh, high resolution, low cost monitors
00:39 Can 180 Hz Make Me a Pro?
02:03 Introducing the PX277 Prime Neo
03:11 The Challenge
03:48 System Specs
04:47 Fortnite
06:51 Call of Duty: Warzone
09:01 Counter Strike 2
11:05 Forza Horizon 5 (HDR test)
12:38 Criticisms of the monitor
13:56 Conclusion
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Sorry to keep you all waiting an extra day. Still, now you get to roast my gaming skills 😅
Those of us who've been here since the beginning are always happy to wait as long as your content takes. Keep doing your thing - we're here for it!
Benchmark Minecraft bedrock for rtx GPUs the game has native rtx support, also up the render distance for CPU single core benchmarks
you went too easy on the "HDR" thing. it's garbage. even if it has enough color gamut, without proper local dimming, "HDR400", "HDR600" and whatever HDR wanna be names exist, these are NOT HDR. period. We're happy for you to get sponsorships, but be critical of them. Imagine how many noobs you mislead
since they told you the price they raised it to $299. they always do this to reviewers!
Something that I found as a person who migrated from console to a laptop and still use a controller on many of the games is that tuning sensitivity in a controller with fps is a nightmare. Because the change in latency completly changes the sensitivity so I would still recomend that if you are playing on a controller that you lock your fps at and tune sensitivity at that point
I use now a 1440p 240Hz monitor. And I can't lie, I don't see big of a difference to the 144hz I had before. But sometimes I feel it just being that little bit smoother and nicer. Plus there are probably things that are probably things I won't actively feel but still have an impact. And for me, I found out around 90fps is where I want to sit, even for a single player game to make it feel nice and smooth
The motion blur is reduced a good bit at 240 vs 144. Im super sensitive to refresh rate though
@@veilmontTV yeah I don't see actively a big difference. But what I feel is the difference in Ghosting between my old VA Panel and my IPS panel which I have now. IPS is so much nicer there
Your eyes will notice the overall response times more than the refresh rate.
8ms at 144hz vs 4ms at 240hz.
I can barely tell the difference between 120hz and 240hz, and I have a high end OLED. Then again, I couldn’t care less about competitive shooters. The only competitive games I play are fighting games, and those are locked at 60. But I still like having a high refresh rate due to the far superior motion clarity. Games are just more immersive that way.
The difference between 144 and 240 is much smaller then say 60 and 144
It may at first seem weird to say that, I mean 1 is nearly 100 hertz more while the other is 64 hertz, wouldn't the one that's 100hz more be more noticeable?
And the answer is counter intuitively no
The reason is milliseconds per frame
At 60 hertz each frame lasts 16ms (rounded down as the real answer ends up with 16.6)
At 144hz each frame lasts 7 ms (rounder up this time)
At 240hz each frame lasts 4ms (again rounded down)
So the difference between 60 and 144 is nearly 10 ms, but between 240 and 144 is a difference of 3ms
To add 500hz to the equation here, that would be 2ms per frame (no rounding) a difference of 2ms from 240
And to go to something crazy and (to my knowledge) not even available on a consumer display, 1000hz would be 1ms per frame, so despite being nearly 4 times more hertz then 240 its only a difference of 3ms per frame, compared to 60hz vs 144hz where despite being only about 2 times the hz ends up with a difference of almost 10ms
I've heard other content creators comment about the Capture Card FPS limitation. Also heard many content creators blame stupid capture cards for massive recording issues, lost audio/video, etc. The Capture Card market must be a mess. I guess this goes back to way back when Hollywood was trying to block any product that allowed lossless digital copies of copyrighted digital media? Seems like a "splitter" would work better- allow 120+ on the monitor side but then one branch goes to the Capture Card (PC) and is Captured at 60. Considering just how many content creators/streamers use capture devices for a good recording now.. it's crazy the Capture Card market is still that limited/buggy.
Hollywood won. It's called HDCP "protection"
OBS Teleport has made capture cards for PC gaming utterly obsolete.
I went from 75hz to 240hz, I'm still not good
Same, I went from 4K60 to 4K120.
That's pretty sad NGL
Me too, went from average to just slightly more average than normal average
“Never endangered of winning” yea sounds like my life 😅
"in danger of winning"
my compliments to the script writing chef.
I upgraded my entire setup from a bad laptop to a similar setup to yours (Same GPU and a 170 Hz monitor) and I absolutely believe those two combined really upped my competitive skills. I always end my day with at least one Apex win and that used to be a lot less common in my old setup.
Second view first like ! All seriousness I actually only started using my high refresh monitor if I'm being honest. Broke from moving now though so cant just buy for sake of buying anymore sadly lol
Nice gameplay, now they'll want you to make a Twitch acct and stream gameplay. 😁
HDR on an IPS panel is a gimmick, they did state tho that they "meet" the requirements for HDR. But true HDR can only be achieved if your monitor has Full Array Local Dimming, only available on OLED or miniLED panel
Entry level HDR isn’t really worth it.
It can still be good SDR monitor but you would have to go up to like DisplayHDR 1000 for LCDs to be worth it, where OLEDs have it easier with the deep blacks.
Hey Iceberg tech. For a true HDR monitor you might want to check monitors unboxed for the best budget option for a genuine true HDR monitor. They need a full array backlight and a minimum of 600 nits for an entry level experience if my memory serves me correctly.
A true hdr monitor requires oled or a mini led display with a ton of dimming zones, everything else is not hdr.
I’m using the older model of this pX277 with 165hz. Good monitor. I did notice that on Xbox series S and PS5, I was able to turn on 4K for some reason. Maybe some were built with 4K screens that didn’t pass 4K standards
I've got that monitor as well, no 4k option on mine so I can see that being true. Had it since summer 2021 I think I paid about £240 on Amazon at the time. I've got it paired with a 4070ti based system so I can use 1440p and get 165fps in most games. I like pixio I wish they'd make an OLED monitor as the only options for those are from the bigger manufacturers and are a LOT of money.
Isnt it that it is able to use a downscaled 4k image at 60hz cause of hdmi 2.0 and 2.1, which looks better than normal 1440p
So its not available in the UK?
Not yet. Pixio said “it is only available in the US for now but we might put those up on Amazon UK in the future”.
So I wouldn’t hold your breath 🙁
@@GrainGrown is it?
@@GrainGrown Oh my fucking god it's you, using the exact same comment on iceburg's video you did on darkviper's. Tell me, why do you seemingly get off telling people to "Keep learning English, kiddo" when they make the slightest spelling or grammatical error?
For anyone wondering what I mean that isn't grain grown, I left a comment on another youtubers video and made a few spelling mistakes (might of instead of might have and alot instead of a lot) and this guy commented correcting me, I blamed it on being tired, then he told me to "Keep learning English, kiddo."
No but the older model px277 prime is available and it's basically the same as this except it maxes at 165 instead of 180hz. I've owned it since it's release in 2021.
So to answer your question Mr. Iceberg, no.
And Mr. Iceberg, you tease us with your back shots (heh), face reveal at 100k?
Monitors are getting cheaper everyday!! Here's hoping OLED monitors will become cheap too!
There's a lot of variables with refreshrate like panel type and things like that, but I think most gamers should have a 144hz monitor of whatever resolution they want to use.
@IcebergTech would it be possible to list the music you used in the videodescription?
I really like it and would like to listen to it. It would also be nice to its author to show them off and give visibility.
What I think high refreshrate did for me was room to improve. I didn't get better immediately after switching, but it allowed me to learn and adjust in situations where 60hz would not give me any new info. So in short: it did make me better, but over time.
it won't make you better but it will make aiming faster and more accurate easier. its also easier to spot distand players while moving.
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When I first got into gaming I had a REALLY nice "pro grade" CRT that could do 85hz at 1600x1200 but I mostly played at 1280 x 1024@100hz. When I bought my first LCD screen (I waited a while for them to become a bit better) going down to 60hz didn't make me any worse at games like Counter Strike Source.
Now that I'm older and slower does a higher refresh rate make me any better at gaming ? Not really, maybe in some circumstances. One thing however is that my eyes feel much better looking at a higher refresh screen, so just doing work at the PC is so much easier at a higher refresh rate. I don't think I could ever go back to 60hz (I have a 165hz monitor.)
Will it make you game better ? Most likely not. Will your eyes thank you ? Yes.
Frame rate is more important than refresh rate. As input response is lower. If you want a clean visual experience sans tearing, and high fps, then you need one of two things. A high refresh monitor with variable refresh rate, or to run vsync at a multiple of the refresh rate. You can play competitively on a 60hz monitor just fine if you run 120fps or unlocked fps.
I have a LG Ultragear 32in 165hz 1440p monitor, quite happy, I paid $205 open box
In this humble old man's experience, going from 60 Hz to 144Hz really really ups your understanding of the action in some games.
It doesn't do that much for most games.
And it rarely really ups your aiming skills. Sometimes you get a slightly quicker response but your natural skill and gamesense still do most of the job.
Small Edit:
From people I've talked to, diminishing returns show very fast past 144Hz. Nothing wrong with 165Hz, 180Hz or 240Hz, or even 360 and beyond. But if you can expect a huge leap between 60 and 144, the leap between 144 and basically anything beyond will be smaller. Just so you know not to overspend to get an extra 25 or 40Hz. It's likely to not be worth the cost unless you're already playing at a pro or near pro level.
60fps vs 120+ is a big difference in input response. I do recommend running double refresh rate vsync if you are on a 60hz display.
For refresh rate it's better to convert it to Ms per frame, 16.6ms=60hz
8.3ms=120 5.5ms=180 2.7ms=360
@dagnisnierlins188 this is true, but frame rate≠refresh rate. They are separate entities. The input response is honestly more important than the refresh rate. The high refresh is a bonus for smoother visual.
The reason is because most human eyes can track up to 90 Hz, so you're not gonna notice much change at all beyond 120 Hz, apart from very specific scenarios which are not what the normal use case of a monitor would be.
@@BrunodeSouzaLinolol i easily spot the difference just moving around my cursor and opening windows between my 165 and 240, pretty much everyone i know can see the difference too and it’s more noticeable in games that i can run at 240.
It’s true that you reach a point of diminshing returns, i wouldn’t buy a 240 over a 165 if it were considerably more expensive, but that old tired argument of “the human eye can’t see past X fps” is plain wrong. The human eye just doesn’t work that way. The difference between 90 and even 120 hz is still massive.
Me with a 240hz OLED playing mostly single player games lol
New Iceberg video = my new benchmark of choice for video playback. (Just an excuse to rewatch it on every 1st gen i5 I own
For HDR only OLED is good due to its infinity contrast.
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180hz is so oooooold schoool :P why not try an 360 or faster at least to try out. I had an 170hz 1440p monitor but downgraded to the acer nitro v2 with 390hz and it was pretty neat buuuut was not a really noticible difference for me at all. I could notice going from 120 to 170 though. Had two 240hz 1440p woleds but returned them because they have the "dirty gray" issue which makes it impossible for me to use as a daily monitor. but for gaming it felt almost like a crt, almost.
After I returned my woleds I got an 8k mouse and it felt very similarly to how the woled felt in games, especially in cs2 it was very noticable. Would love to see how it feels using the 8k mouse with the oled but I am waiting for the 480hz ones, as 240 felt a bit restrictive in the end anyway.
another thing I noticed, as I also have the exact same model of 6900xt(sapphire 6900xt nitro + se), what settings are u using to be at often just shy of 200fps outside? 1440p high med or low? same with cs2? shouldnt u get like almost 400fps all the time with that setup?
i can feel the difference when my pc starts lagging and i get around 60fps (i have a 75hz monitor)
I’m coming from 30 to 60Hz and anything above seems like dream
You should play some nornal tdm cod.
Winner winner chiken diner, damn those old memories of PUBG mobile😊
6:22 kinda tough to go up against the Avatar herself, huh?
Doom eternal was my Archimedes moment. With a 1080p 60hz TV and the 5600XT I was herded into believing 60 fps was my aim and best case scenario. How wrong was I, engaged Radeon Enhanced sync and started playing at 200 fps. Doom was not good at 60 fps I struggled but 200 fps works like a treat. Ok it's vulkan but unless my TV dies I won't be buying a new monitor ✌
Framerate is way more noticable in doom than other games, and I've got zero clue why. It feels terrible to play it at 60fps but you go up to 120+ and that bad feeling is eliminated.
I still suck in online shooters with a 4K120 monitor personally. :D
I am terrible at shooters even on a high end system getting hundreds of fps and a nice 165hz panel. My friend is way better on 60hz and using an AMD igpu😂
I bought a 240Hz OLED a few months back. I can do around 180FPS in many titles. But, I like a nice 120Hz lock, less micro stutter in battles.
2:51 Ain't no way you can consistanly measure the color gamut to 0.01% accuracy, even on the same exact monitor with the same measurement equipment in the same measurement setup. Same is also true for the dimensions and weights listed.
Refresh rate is only as good as the monitor pixels ability to change color fast enough to keep up. A 240hz oled is going to feel faster than a 240hz va for example
444888000hz is the bare minimum for me like i can stand 333666000 a little bit i can't stand how ugly it is like all the micro stutters my nvidea xtr 120100 can perform very well
Since I pretty much only play single player stuff these days I'm fine with around 90 fps max for most games, I can't really tell much of a difference over that.
If you're into twitch shooters though I'm sure any extra fps can give you a bit of an edge.
HDR 400 is just gurantee that it can accept HDR input (and sometime that can change the game presentation because the developers can change their lighting techniqe between HDR and SDR) but it really doesn't offer any thing even remotely close to what HDR presentation supposed to be.
It's exactly like watching your HDR record in this video, despite you didn't upload this video as HDR. If you're intent to cover this subject, I afaid you will have to be doing a lot more research than this. It's borderline misinformation at this poin.
I refuse to upgrade from 1080p/60!!!
Your loss 😂
HDR yes😂
im glad that IPS monitors are getting cheaper, especially for higher refresh rates and resolutions. going for VA or TN just isnt worth it in 2024. TN suffers from horrible colours and ghosting, while VA suffers from ghosting and higher input lag. now it's time to wait for OLEDs to get affordable.
I’ll be retired by then…
TN panels and ghosting? You lost me there. They don't have the best colors, but they have great response times.
The panel type has nothing to do with input lag, you're thinking of pixel response times
Even then newer VA panels are competitive with fast IPS for pixel response times, so the generalisations aren't that useful since it's entirely panel dependent anyway
@@suni08keeps surprising me how many people still shit on VA. Haven't they bought a monitor after 1990??? My aoc 3440x1440p 180hz va panel is an absolute dream.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216Have a TN panel, the ghosting on it is quite noticeable when I compare it to my IPS.
The only good the hdr400 label does is tell me te hdr is non-existent
i have a 240hz 0.03ms oled monitor and it doesn't make me a better gamer. 😅
Mf do some aim training
Haha, you’re still better than me!
I’ve lost interest in FPS games
no because when I switched to 165 hurts, I was able to see more consistently but I still suck
This really *hurts* to read.
It won't definitely make you a pro but will make gaming and working experience way better than 60Hz monitor.
When Fortnite enemies just slowly walk sideways and shoot that's a BOT.
👉🏻 If you are playing eSports, just turn off your Freesync or G-Sync and never ever turn them on again. 👈🏻
I think it be better for lower end / older AAA games since in competitive games 1080p 240 hertz would be better
rx 6600m from ali express
Ryzen 5 7500F / RX 6900 XT system "sub-1000$"... Yeah right.
11:30 you triggered literally every single simracer with that quote lmao
Assuming that you're pretty good at the games you play to begin with, yes I 100% agree with the conclusion! 😅
You started at the end?
Yeah I did and then watched the rest of the video after.
Idk why but I like hearing a summary of a reviewers thoughts first on said topic.
Was expecting a CPU or GPU video , let's see what you've got today 😙
a 1440p 144hz monitor is something I'd love to experience sometime in my life, I'm still trying to get a job jakndkkj
people often point to the ltt video with shroud to prove higher hz is better but keep forgetting shroud isnt a regular gamer. If you put yourself into a lamborghini you cant be expected to be faster than an actual racing driver in a civic
Plus it is arguable that shroud is actually benefiting from a higher refresh rate and not just a smaller input response instead. Muscular reflexes don't always correlate with eyesight, which is why racing drivers are often two or three steps ahead of their vision during a race.
oh shit im boutta get my 50 hz ass kicked with these 180hz mfs
There are some quite good mini led HDR displays for around 500 dollars right now. I’d get those if you want some entry level “true” HDR displays. I used to rock the neo G7 from Samsung with something like 1100 dimming zones and the hdr was great. Use the lg oled rn, love the black levels, but the brightness is a bit subpar.
2:12 mamator
there's a good difference from 144hz to 180hz, it's definitely worth it and hopefully it will become a new standard from the 144hz or even the 165hz monitors
To be honest , the clarity of the image while moving the mouse ( pixel response time ) matters to me very much . I used my friends samsung 240hz Odyssey g7 for 5-6 hrs and the ghosting and color fringing threw me off sooo much.
I used an OLED monitor for a couple hours then went back to my IPS 165HZ and yeah... The motion rendering sucks lol.
I oced my laptop from 144hz to 180. Its so smooth
High refreshrates don't make you a better player, but it does make it easier to get better. I say this having no 60hz experience :)
no it makes it possible for u to perform better if ur a good player.
@@raptorhacker599You are not instantly going to get better just by going to a higher refresh rate. He is right, it makes it easier to get better.
@@raptorhacker599 I believe this was proven years ago with LTT having Shroud and some others on to test their skill at 60hz and above to see how easy or hard it was to hit/kill people.
One of the problems with new "gaming monitors" is that if you exceed the FPS of the monitor's Hz limit, it appears that the monitor does not keep up with the fluidity of the image. I have a 2006 19-inch Philips VGA 60hz monitor that can perfectly deliver 900fps with SLI from nvidia 2x 8800Ultras + Q9550@3.6Ghz in Battlefield2 1024x768 with competition settings. I did more than 6000 real hours. I tried this new high Hz trend and I think players are missing out, the screens don't keep up with the games
Just get a 240hz 1440p samsung
Our standards keep getting higher as we get get accustomed to every performance increase. My first online shooter was Battlefield 2: Modern Combat.. on the PS2 at 10-25 fps!!!! At the time I thought it was so realistic and immersive. Lol. Now even 60 fps feels like a PS1 game if it has inconsistent frame times. ... On topic- Really high refresh rate and crisp video can feel very "realistic" even though not 3d. Also use some good headphones. I suggest playing RDR2 in first person mode (HUD/minimap stuff turned off) and just riding through the wilderness on your horse- listening to nature. It's quite cathartic. That now old game still impresses with immersion. Somebody should mod a no-enemies version of that for VR- maybe with some optimized settings/improved FSR to help keep a high refresh rate since VR requires generating two screens. Getting thrown off your horse because it saw a snake would be quite bad in VR. (when my parents were living in an elderly community.. I had thought such a game mod would be great for people that lacked mobility/had health issues that didn't allow for travelling. Allow them to have some amazing free roam travelling experiences from their home)
ips is pass from me. only VA is good for my eyes
Going from 6.9ms to 5.5ms (144 vs 180hz) isn't a big jump, but for people looking to upgrade: it's so worth it.
I had an ergonomic monitor like that at 165hz, and it was awesome. Currently on 360hz, and I'm not going back.
100hz for every game feels wonderful 60 feels kinda bad. I'm having fun playing BioShock And Shadow of Mordor at 4k 100hz it's lovely
pixio is goated. Cheap and good quality
1v1 me in cs, i will use 75hz.
Most human eyes can only track up to 90 Hz, meaning you're not gonna see much difference in 120 or 144 Hz. While some people will claim that people can track up to 500 Hz, this is only possible in specific scenarios which will never happen while you're watching a movie or playing a game.
it is about the feeling and responsiveness not seeing the fps...
first comment or something
2 views in 1 minute? He fell off.
one comment or something
It won't make you an American either but keep on trying.
this is why i always said. never use something that are over the top. because you wont be able to go back to using normal stuff. my screen is only 75hz. i don't plan nor want to get above it. when i was active on pubg. and when pubg doesn't have a lot of cheater. i used to be able to won it. but because of cheater. i decided to quit pubg.
you simply lack skill in FPS games however a domesticated gamer always blames the hardware
180 hz may not help but maybe 240 hz
Nope. It isn't going to instantly make you better and anything over 120hz is just diminishing returns.
@@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyCommentscompare 120hz with 540hz and youll see thats not true
240 can
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Bro def fell off 🗿
This stopped being funny befo... Actually this was never funny. Why don't you come up with your own jokes sometimes instead of repeating dumb crap ?
@@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments ok bro
I rarely even comment, rarely watch youtube videos
I saw this on another youtube video and i didnt even know this was a trend
I just found that comment funny so i wrote this comment
Seems like you read a lot of comments so its recommended to not be triggered by dumb crap
@@ameaysharma "Triggered."
Yep, everyone who disagrees with you is triggered. It's a great mental trick to somehow make you perceive yourself as a winner of a non existent argument.
Just telling you, it's not funny. If you told a joke to your friend and they said "That's a dumb joke that you stole, it's not funny." Would you get up into their face and call them triggered ? Probably not.
So just take it. It's not funny. Maybe try to come up with your own joke instead of repeating stuff you heard ? That's all. Take advice that's given to you instead of getting offended by it. Hope you have a good rest of your day.
I really want to know if there are any good monitors with "black frame insertion", i have a samsung odyssey g5 IPS screen but the BFI(called MBR) while reducing blur also creates a double image.
Iceberg I’ve been playing the same capture card game for weeks now trying to capture 4K 60 all while still utilizing my 1000nit hdr acer 160hz monitor and after going through several options from el gato to cheap Amazon brands like kuhaimi I just bit the bullet and went with the
avermedia live gamer hdmi 2.1 4k it allows 4k 144hz pass through and 60hz recording which is perfect for our builds IMHO I have a similar setup with a 5800x 6900xt! Good luck Iceberg love the down to earth content keep it up and cheers from across the pond here in Florida! 🧊💯