Milwaukee Rear Handle Circular Saw is Finally Here! How good is it?
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- I just took delivery of the new Milwaukee Rear Handle Circular Saw and give you my thoughts on how good is it!! I feel like so many people have been waiting for Milwaukee to make a rear handle circular saw and it is finally here! I was able to test it shortly at Milwaukee's NPS 2019, but that is never the same as using it in your own environment.
The one thing I noticed about the milwaukee rear handle is how smooth it is in and out of materials and how powerful it is. Run time and longevity will be determined as time goes by, but it is definitely good and I am glad that the rear handle is finally here!!
Stay tuned to my Instagram feed @rrbuildings for more info on the saw and my thoughts as I use it on site for framing and other tasks!
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"I like it when it's tight, that way it doesn't flop out when you're using it." You said a mouth full there my friend.
I came down here to see if someone heard what I heard. Not disappointed
@@BusDriver101 same. 😂🙊🙉🙈
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@@AnthonyPicciano lol
Your not helping out the situation
Anthony Picciano 🤣🤣
With Ryan's ruclips.net/user/postUgkxy_pn55PK60wAV3X_C_RoLS_67mNonoCE plan I was like one taken by the hand and led step by step from start to finish. Thank you very much Ryan!
I really like how you brought up the fact that the guard always catches when you make angle cuts and it's great to see these saws not have that problem
Work took me to Fargo, ND this week. So, I couldn't resist a trip to Acme Tools store there. If you're a tool geek like me, it's unbelievable. Tool guy heaven! So much in stock. If you're used to the meager selections at the big box home stores like me, your jaw will drop when you walk in the door. Picked up the rear handle Milwaukee while I was there this morning and had to leave before I spent my next two paychecks! Can't wait to use it. If you have had a similar experience at another tool store somewhere, give us the rundown. I'm chomping at the bit to put this saw through it's paces.
I bought the dewalt last year & run time was horrible. Plenty of power for sure but I was swapping batteries more then I was cutting. I have had the first Milwaukee 7 1/4 blade right for 4 years now & that cuts almost to a T on the amp hr for whatever battery I put on it & I have all the sizes . I sold the dewalt rear handle & bought gen 2 Milwaukee that came out last year. That saw has tons of power !! Just to be clear I’m framing all day with these saws cutting everything from 2X material to LVL to stacks of sheeting. My opinion Milwaukee batteries are longer run time by a lot over flex volt . I have plenty of both platforms. Just my opinion. Great video Kyle . Thanks bro 👍🏻🛠
its battery powered ffs. Run time is meaningless if you own only 1 battery. what craftsman owns only 1 battery? lol
Double D he probably only had a 6ah or a 9ah.
The 6ah FlexVolt isn’t all that but they are cheap and I use them for projects at home or back ups for my 20v tools. The 9ah and 12ah batteries are what you should be using. While obviously you will swap batteries framing all day I have zero complaints about my dcs 570, 575, or 577 dewalts. The Milwaukee’s are nice but the price premium isn’t worth it IMHO. I got all my saws on sale for about 30-50% of list price and batteries about 30-40% of list price. For 12v tools Milwaukee all the way. For 18v tools Milwaukee has a better selection than Dewalt. I like the dewalts lite weight on their impacts and the FlexVolt tools deliver on power. I’m a sparky and sometimes equipment operator. I don’t run my saws like a dedicated carpenter would; however, I’m not a stranger to framing or modifications to structures. If you are just getting into the trades and have zero tools... Milwaukee on sale.
Found out the same with my coworkers 6ah 60v against my 6ah high output milwacky
@@DoubleD72 if you're a real craftsman, you won't overuse batteries, just to corded for the big applications
My Skill 77 worm drive is 26 years old. Purchased when I was 32 years old. Used daily and never any maintenance. I love my corded saw. These new cordless saws are costly and battery life and replacement expensive. Not a good investment in my opinion . Way too much plastic also. Glad you find them good for your situation. But the money I saved on never buying another 7 1/4 saw helped send 2 kids to college and put food on the table. The cords on my job site would drive you crazy.
No maintenance? Jesus man at least buy the girl an oil change. She's stuck with you this long... she's worth it ;-)
Shain Andrews lmao
DougE no he is saying he worked his ass off and sent them to college and the saw helped him. Common man you must not know how to bust shit out.
DougE all that aside I agree. I’ve had a makita version for almost a year and I don’t use the cord anymore. So I know what you’re saying too
Them old skill saw's probably did serve you well for the 32 years, but since then the technology of the saw has changed so much. The power, functionality, durability, speed, and convenience of these saws has changed the way construction crews work. Having to no source power on a job site is priceless on it's own. Don't get me wrong my Mag 77 I bought 15 years ago has worked strong, and hard for me. Though I wouldn't pull that thing out now unless my newer cordless saws were broken. Regardless I will never tell a worker what tool he has to use, but every single person that get's their hands on the newer cordless technology never looks back at all. At the end of the day I appreciate the older tech, cause without it we wouldn't have the tools we have today.
So obvious you’re not just a guy doing reviews and that you actually work with the tools. You’re telling me what I want to know. Great job.
Milwaukee's Red Lithium/Fuel technology is supposed to shut the battery down if the demand is past a certain threshold regardless of temperature. It's protecting the cells from possible damage due to excessive discharge too quickly. Great test and thanks for sharing.
Yup, always better for it to be tight so it doesn't flop out when your using it.
The real test start at the 9:00 minute... you're welcome
I mean I found the prior several minutes very helpful, and most of the video before that
Thank you
Thanks bro! You saved allot of time!
Gracias 😎
Thanks for the time and BS saver
Great test and review. Both seem to be great saws. I own the dewalt and love it. I agree that the paddle safety release could be preferable if it’s required to hold it during the cut. I don’t find the button on my dewalt to be at all awkward though. The most important note being that once you’ve pulled the trigger, you can take your thumb off the safety. You can just hold the trigger and the saw will run until the trigger is released.
I use the dewalt with a dablo blade everyday and it's great... i can cut sheeting or framing all day on 2 batteries... cutting rafters and facia where im doing bevels it takes about 4 batteries.
nice input.
great info Kyle miss not having daily shows how's bathroom project coming along and thanks to your brother for toolsday video
Makita = 2-9/16", Milwaukee = 2-1/2", DeWalt = 2-7/16", so the Makita is the only one that can reliably cut 3x material in one pass, if that's something that matters to you (2.5" thick material including floor joists with 2x3 chords).
In all my years framing, this is the most irrelevant thing I've seen mentioned to be of advantage.
For future reference, the XC6.0 High Output, and then the XC8.0 HO or HD9.0, in that order, would be the next best choice after the HD12.0 HO to run high-powered tools.
Regarding the saw stalling on the CP3.0 HO - that battery can only produce 1/3 or less of the current (power) of the HD12.0 HO continuously, primarily due to having 1/3 the number of cells (5 instead of 15) internally, and less heatsink material. The limiting factor for lots of these batteries is heat output, as you saw with the thermal overload warning. You may not feel the heat on the outside of the battery, but the cells inside probably exceeded 80C or 90C (design limit).
Over the next 5 or 10 minutes you may feel the packs' outside temperature increase to some fraction of the cell's internal temperature. The glass fiber reinforced nylon pack casing has slightly better thermal conductivity than something like ABS plastic, but significantly lower than the battery metal touching the temperature sensor.
Milwaukee decided to stick with 18V, and as you noticed, the saw does "work" on the CP3.0. In a pinch, you could finish up a job on whatever spare batteries you had lying around, which is not the case for the 60V only Dewalt tools (Flexvolt Advantage yada yada). But in order to keep pace with other tool manufacturers, the tool powers had to be increased, which meant increased current, and only the largest batteries put out anywhere near what the big saw motors can use.
I was pretty surprised you managed to push the Milwaukee saw as fast as you did without stalling. If you'd treated it like a lower power saw given that you put a lower power battery in it, you may have been able to complete the cut.
The High Output batteries are "high output" relative to the original M18 RedLithium battery series, but they do not each put out the _same_ power. All High Output batteries to date use 21700 cells (probably Samsung SDI). The HD12.0 HO uses 15 cells, the XC6.0 HO & XC8.0 HO use 10, and CP3.0 HO uses 5. The XC8.0 HO use a variation of the cell in the XC6.0 HO designed for improved runtime over highest power, and the HD9.0 uses 3 sets of 18650 cells which come out to about the same performance as the XC8.0 HO.
Each set of 5 cells gets you around 600-800 Watts peak for short durations, limited by internal temperature. If the saw wants say 1500W to cut at a reasonable speed on a 45 bevel, then a 5 cell battery would be loaded to about 200% rated power and immediately overheats, as you experienced. The 10 cell on the other hand is loaded to about 100% rated power and lasts a while, but pushing any harder also leads to thermal shutdown. On the other hand, that 15 cell battery, with 3x 600W cell banks to get 4Ah capacity per bank, is only operating at 85% rated power and continues to chug along until the low voltage protection kicks in.
Great Video. People complain that DeWalt introduced a new battery platform and with Makita you need 2 for some of their tools. But, Milwaukee essentially has 2 battery platforms as well, hidden within the same voltage category. A lot of their new tools require High Output batteries and will not work properly on almost all of their other M18 batteries. With some tools you are limited to 1 or 2 battery choices, both above 200$. Just Saying.
At least with the Makita you bang two standard batteries in. These flexvolt/high out put batteries it seems are expensive. Technology is getting better all the time it seems.
Steve Sherman Makita are nearly all backwards comparable except for the few very earliest cordless tools. Out put will always be the hard part for high drain tools which is the reason I’ve avoided a lot of cordless tools until brushless came along which is a game changer now for optimising power from cordless tools.
@Steve Sherman the 60v batteries are very much backwards compatible with the old (slide battery not stick battery) dewalt tools
I just ordered this saw. Great video man! I love the thermal overload protection on the Milwaukee batteries, even though it may be an inconvenience at times, it does protect your investment for those apes out there pushing and abusing their tools at times. I'm guilty of that :) Thanks for video review! And nice 4K quality. Excellent!
Considering I have the DeWalt, I can confirm over 300 cuts with a couple of rips in between. By the time I have made those cuts, the fast charger has already finished charging another 60v. I will not go to another plug-in saw again.
Agreed. Why oh why use the 3aHr battery on this as a comparison, anyway? Out here with my 6's and 9's not even really sure where to get a 3.
I have the Milwaukee system already but I completely agree with not going back to cords. A rapid charger can charge the 12ah in 90 minutes and that’s more than enough time to keep me going all day with just 2 batteries if that’s all I had.
@@JDBeastmode would you suggest the rear handed milwaukee or the regular 7 1/4? Fuel?
@@graysconcrete135 both, the worm drive is better for thick cuts
Big fan man, love all the tool day stuff and I used your videos for information when I was building my shop. Just FYI go to the 7:03 mark where you are saying that Dewalt doesn't have the numbers on the front of the shoe. Look at the ribs and you can see a 0,1, & 2. thanks again for all the videos!
The 3amp battery would probably hold up decently with cross cuts. I have a regular 7¼ fuel circular saw and have found small batteries do ok cross cutting but not so much with rip cuts.
Hi Kyle, happens to me today. Made a 6m (18ft?) Full depth cut rippin a 2x4 with the Makita DHS 680. 5amh 18v. Batteries these days are safer, and intelligent. They protect themself before overhead or overload or overuse.
Protect the price tools we use and keep us safe ;)
I see carson wentz quit football and went to tool reviews. and hes great at it!
No doubt the dewalt 577 is powerful.
I was on the fence about these two circular saws.
What helped me make my decision was that milwaukee was on sale and the dewalt wasnt.
No regrets
I have used dewalt for a year and a half since I get used to its weight I have not had any problem is a beast. The only thing I don't like is the hole where the sawdust leaves and Milwaukee is identical to Dewalt.
i bet that 3.0 CP battery would do alright at cross cuts 90degree but ripping 2by at a 45 for 8' you can overheat the 9.0 doing a few of those in a row
I found out the battery thing when I tried a 2.0 in my sawzall. same thing. thermal overload then right back to full charge. I think it must just be too much of a draw on the smaller pack, Awesome vid as always!
Yep, it’s not a thermal shutdown, it’s current sensing circuitry. I wonder if they’ve made the over-voltage shutoff so sensitive without accounting for the fact that these are AC not DC like everyone thinks, eventually the circuitry will get fast enough to detect a single cycle and voltage passing below zero etc will need to be considered if they haven’t already.
Every Bosch tool in my arsenal will run full power on 10 year old 1.3 Amp batteries. I have newer 4 and 8 Amp ones for the ground, but use the small ones for going up a ladder and making sketchy cuts above my head.
Kyle, the 18 volt verses 20 volt battery is marketing hype.
The nominal voltage of the internal cells is either 3.6 volts. Milwaukee uses nominal voltage, De Walt uses charged voltage.
10 cells wired 5P or parallel in a 2S or series configuration gives you 18 volts, which is how Milwaukee rates their battery packs. De Walt uses charged voltage of 4.2 volts per cell, or actually 21 volts.
If you take a multimeter and check the voltage on the De Walt and the Milwaukee battery pack, you'll get the same voltage results.
The 12.0 is 15 cells. Which is 5s3p.
It's 5s2p for 4.0/5.0 XC and 6.0/8.0 HO
SAV-PAC. Series Adds Voltage. Parallel adds current. So 3.6V x 5s = 18v.
blasphemy
Yep 20.5 volts so Dewalt is telling the truth and Milwaukee is lying
@@loucifer323 you're right Lou sniffer
Thermal overload is basically due to how much power your drawing (in this case we will use amps) vs how large the battery is, 3ah vs 12ah. In battery terms it's call the discharge rate, I'm going to guess your high output 3ah battery is 30c rating, might be 20c. The saw is rated around 2400watts, so 20v would be 120amp draw, and divide that by the c discharge rating at 30c would be 4amps, over the 3ah rating, so it is not ideal for the battery and causing max tempature increase. On the 12ah battery, we will say it's 20c for large capactiy but lower draw (the tradeoff with batterys, large draws or long life), and we get 6ah being drawn out of that 12ah battery, so it shouldn't be getting hot. The second part would be the mass of the batteries themselves. The 12ah battery has more mass than the 3ah battery, so the 12ah will be harder to cool, as it also took longer to get hot. As for your last test, it shouldn't have been using the full power draw to do those cuts, so it was likely sliding in under 3ah draw instead of 4ah at the 30c rating.
The thermal overload was probably to protect the battery from damage. Kind of a safety feature.
Im on the milwaukee platform and I have just purchased this saw. I like both platforms, im just outfitted with milwaukee already. My coworker has the smaller dewalt saw, and I have been using it over the last week and it is comfortable... Im anxious to use this saw at work
Watching your hands, it looks like you are much more comfortable with the Milwaukee, especially in the miter and plywood rip.
The Milwaukee pulls power out of the small battery faster than it is designed to put out so it overheats. The extra cells in the big battery, some in parallel, some in series, means no cell gets overworked. Cross cutting 2x's with the 3ah battery is probably good.
if you can't simply tell he wants the Milwaukee to be the better saw. lol if you didn't just watch a Biased tool review then I don't know what is. lol its obvious. this is like the CNN of tool reviews.
@@DoubleD72 IDK, Kyle is pretty straight up about it, and he does try- I was watching his upper arm flexure when he was push the saws through the long board rips- he's pushing pretty hard, and I'm pretty sure he could do that an hour on and an hour of all day- otherwise Greg would smoke him! I'd liked to have worked for Kyle he is good humored, steady got your back, challenging personality/boss that makes a long hot day a lot shorter and more fun, while driving a strong production pace - that's a lotta balls in the air !
@@DoubleD72 I think his review was Fair and Balanced except the Milwaukee was so superior just because the blade guard worked so well. Blade guards that are stiff moving are the bane of any circular saw. He did not have to over grip just to get the blade guard to retract.
@@fredericrike5974 being a decent guy doesn't make you an unbiased guy. It's like this. You have friends or family members that you obviously like and admire. Then you discuss politics or religion and your view of that person changes. Or when an older person speaks with a younger person. It never fails that younger person just doesn't see the whole picture just yet. That's what he reminds me of. I can't tell you how many young kids I hire that own Milwaukee tools. And these kids are coming out of the wood work. They bought their first set of tools and of course they go with the Red tools because hey they look cool. lol. Tools never used to be what they are now. A true Craftsman would have owned the Miter of all miter saws. The DeWalt. Most purchased trusted miter there is. They would have had the Milwaukee Sawzall. The most trusted saw for recip. Well. Before they sold out to China. And if you had a router it was probably a porter Cable. And so on. Each tool company had their prized tool. For good reason. Now all that went right out the window when these companies released entire cordless lines. The fashion tool years. Truth is every tool company makes great tools and they make crap tools. They are electronics after all. Some will fail. I am a member of the Milwaukee Nation Facebook page. And all day every day people complain how their tools broke. Or this or that. It's literally half people complaining about their Milwaukee tools and half the posts are people trying to make fun of DeWalt. Very little posts of actual work with their tools. Mostly it's them showing off pictures of how many red tools they own. Then someone else posts a picture with even more. It's the my dick is bigger than yours game. lol. I am an overly observant person. I notice these things. I am also a die hard American and I love my country. I may not be to fond of our government but I love my country. A country built with American tools. Now it doesn't make me happy that so much is made in China. But I'll be damned if I buy tools from a Chinese tools company. Especially one named Milwaukee.
@@idadho I take it you haven't seen his other Milwaukee tool reviews. He does a miter saw review with multiple miters and doesn't even have the king of miters. The DeWalt. lol. If this guy isn't clearly biased I don't know what is.
Got the millwaukee on Saturday work with it the last couple of days home run.
Just bought one to go with 30 other Milwaukee tools. I still have some Dewalt drills and saws which I'm probably going to put on Craigslist in the free ads.
That thing is STRONG! I like it a lot. Thanks for the awesome video Kyle!
Should have tried the Milwaukee with a 6 AM or 8 AM battery
I bought mine as a special with the 8.0 High Output so that’s what I use. I don’t have a 12.0 to compare with but the performance and runtime are very good with the 8.0. It even runs decently well on a 5.0 or 6.0. I have also used the CP3.0 and the results were much the same as in the video...
Milwaukee is the way to go. I have both and I'll give DeWalt praise because it does what it does... Milwaukee is my go to though and it's never let me down
Thanks for making these videos. I'm looking at saws to replace the old corded saw I bought almost 25 years ago.
First thinf i noticed when i bought the milwaukee was that the blade cover never caught on the material. My m18 fuel 6 1/2 inch catches basically every time and its super annoying so i definitely loved that about it. Has great power. Just a little heavy and i use the 8 xc battery. Nice review thanks for the info
thx!
Great video man...
From the screen it's looks like that the Dewalt is smoother and powerful. ...
Thanks a lottt
Good job as usual Kyle. I'm 63 years old, and I don't really care for cordless tools, except for an impact driver and a drill, both of which are Makita, and are excellent tools. I've got a feeling that all of these companies are thinking that all tradesmen are suckers. Buy a tool for almost the same price as a corded one, use it for 2 or 3 years, and buy another one. Nothing but planned obsolescence. I've got most of my Milwaukee tools that I started out with 35 years ago, and my Skil 77 will outlast me. I can see why you like cordless with all of the elevations you work at, however.
I'm impressed by what that little 3AH HO pack could do. The cells in both M18 HO packs are impressive but the 12AH has a huge advantage on constant current ratings over the little 3AH. I don't know exactly what cells are in each but if we're talking Samsung 40T vs 30T, then the 12AH would have ~3x more constant current discharge rating.
@@BRNKoINSANITY Sorry, but you're wrong. The HO packs all contain 21700 cells where the previous packs contain 18650 cells. The 9ah High Demand pack specifically contains 3ah cells which are *probably* Samsung 30Q cells.
@@BRNKoINSANITY Also, I never mentioned Dewalt. I was talking about the M18 12Ah High Output and the M18 3Ah High Output packs.
I'd buy the Milwaukee back in the day, and still buy it today...
The excitement you show when using the Milwaukee tells me it’s gonna be the new go to, could be wrong, but idk
I rock both Platforms but got much more deWalt than Milwaukee. I do own the DeWalt with 9AH and use the Milwaukee with HO 12 AH daily and the only difference is the deWalt feels a tiny bit more power on straight cuts. Both are great saws with tons of power and nearly even feel the same. The DeWalt guard does get caught up much more on 45 cuts than the Milwaukee. Actually, i dont think the Milwaukee has ever got caught up. Great Vid!
Funny you mention the Diablo blades. I have stopped using them and have gone back to the Dewalt framing blades. I find they last longer and go into material easier !!
that's because they're thin kerf.
How much sawdust did you have in your shoes after this video?
Yes
Worst part of the dewalt sawdust straight into your boots 🥾 is so fricking annoying
Great Video . The Milwaukee seems like an excellent saw and it better be they've had all this time to engineer it to be the best out there. About Time Milwaukee....
Saw review...oh ya neat.... while I fantasize about that being my building in the background...lol... Good vid as always
I have the makita 36v. Would love to see a comparison of all three
💪💪 I have Makita an Dewalt, Makita I feel clowns on Dewalt unless you need speed an Power. Think I need the Malwakee now 😂😂
Soy Tu Padre do you mean the makita is no good?
@@Danwynne Not at All, I love my Makita more then the Dewalt feels Big akward
Great Vid Kyle! I love my m18 Fuel tools and my flexvolt tools. I like the new milwaukee better already. Just like you said, it's soooo smooth and really easy to see what's going on during the cut.
On the subject of the HO cp3.0 battery. What happened was the motor was reaching for more current, and the battery didn't have it to offer. Because the redlink technology and the tool communicate, it shut it down to not over draw the battery or underpower the motor. For light duty you can get by with a couple of cuts on a small battery. But I think in all reality, that saw should never be ran on a 1p pack. I think at least a 2p pack like the HO xc6.0 is the smallest I'd run on the saw for ripping hard material at a long distance. That saw draws some current for sure. The best choice for it in all scenarios is clearly the 3p pack (the HO 12.0hd) but I haven't stalled mine out on the 2p HO xc8.0 either.
Hey Thanks for the content man! 👍
So, then all Milwaukee batteries don’t work in all their tools. Hmmmmm!!!
Great video as always. Glad Milwaukee finally made a blade left 7 1/4. I returned the older style 7 1/4 gen1 and use the 6 1/2 for that reason. Would definitely buy this saw and stay on the platform, but my 6 1/2 has been fine so far. Having the extra depth though is a great thing.
Over current protection on the 3.0, not thermal overload.
Yeah I tried mine with a 3.0 and had the same problem. XC batteries work much better. I use mine with the High Output 8.0.
Ever seen the Roofus 10 in 1 square? It’s pretty handy & really like it. The Martinez square is nice too. Get the same thing from having the Roofus cuz of price etc....but the tools we use help make us money & if they can also speed up the work, along w/ feeling good in the hand f using them over & over; well worth the money, in my opinion. Just like circ saws. Some ppl would never spend $300-$500 on a Saw, but others do & enjoy using the tool. Nothing wrong with that if you like it, can afford it, & it works for you & gets the job done😉 The only complaints I have w/ Milwaukee circ saw(which are not deal breakers at all for me): there is no stops on bevel adjust, & the sawdust shoot isn’t always ideal.....hoping they make different accessories that can be attached to it to direct flow of dust in different directions, besides the hose attachment they have. Other than those....happy w/ what Milwaukee made(still can’t believe they didn’t do bevel stops....really 😉) & just might replace my corded Skil Circ Saw full time🤔
Great vid, glad I found your channel from watching Essential Craftsman (recommend to me long ago).
Cheers✌🏼
dont worry on the battery marketing all that much the milwuakee 9.0 and dewalt 9.0 have the same power in them regardless of what voltage you pull out of them.. the batteries dont know how many of them are in series theyre both 162Watt Hours.. 12.0 is superior obviously..
as far as makita duel battery and milwuakee 12.0 i think theyre gonna be very close, you have 20x18650s in the makitas and 15x21700s in the milwuakee i would think they output similar amps regardless of the AH on the battery.. but thats battery manufacturer and chemistry specific
Andrew Browner thaaaaaank you. Volt x amps = Watts people!!!
@@EricLS Thank you... finally someone stating some real facts Watts=hp. Thank you
My boss has the dewalt one works great that’s why I decided it to get me one I got the Milwaukee because i have more batteries for that they both work great
I run the 9.0 battery when my 12.0 is in the charger and it works great... no issues. Like how You're drive shed is Milwaukee colors too.
the dewalt is by far the more powerful, I sold the dewalt to get the Milwaukee and now im back on cutting in a roof the Milwaukee really isn't good enough however it is a more practical saw but the dewalt has the power
Cool beans. Waiting for you to test the Hilti worm drive style saw.
if you put the flex volt 12 amp/hr battery in there and you have the same battery pretty much.
Great presentation and review. It's real world relevant. Comes down to "feel," "visibility," and battery options. The Dewalt is definitely louder with a more compact design. I doubt power/blade or whatever makes a difference. These are jobsite tools. Match your batteries and supply to one color (red or yellow). Bottom line- pro-grade, no b/s full disclosure reviewer with a real world layout and badass barn.
The Dewalt is essentially using 3x 3.0A 18V batteries. Stack 3 cp3.0 or use a M18 9A for a more realistic test. Look at watt hours to determine real power capabilities
The m18 cp3.0 uses 5 cells. The Dewalt 60v max uses 15 cells. Physical size difference. Best apples to apples is the old 9.0 using 18650 cells as opposed to the new 21600 cells on the 12.0
I tried cutting through 4 sheets of osb at a time without a problem using the mwaukee saw. Still not quite as powerful as a chord saw but it's definitely powerful enough. I cant believe how smooth it feels.
Great video by the way!
Nice saws, BUT, I would like to see these saws with a rotating handle for those angled cuts.
I own the Makita nd love it. I owned a Mkita worm drive for about 20 years, and their cordless 36V is just has just as much torque.
I am a carpenter / builder ,I've used the same Makita 7 1/4" 1100 watt corded saw for 20 years ,Makita is tough and reliable, if I get a rear handle battery saw it will be a Makita.
@@interman7715 I did, and couldn't be happier. To this day, every time I use it, I get a smile on my face. Some may say I'm crazy about my tools, but when they put food on the table, I guess I'd say, yes I am.
Loved the video, I think the 3.0 might have had an amperage overload. That saw probably pulled too much at once with something that doesn't have that many cells in it
Bingo
Glad you made a hip jack rafter cut. I have used the makita. Thinking I need the Milwaukee. Keep up the good work!
What’s the most versatile saw? Like if you had to pick one or start with one. I ordered a Metabo miter corded 15A, single bevel. Entry level, but I got it on sale, maybe it doesn’t matter since I will be the limiting factor long before to saw is likely
Each use different battery, so if you have multiple tool brand it is likely a huge job to manage all of the different chargers at least.
If you're on both battery platforms almost equally, which one do you choose? Is it based on price at that point?
Price is very similar for the bare tools. The DeWalt is $249 and the Milwaukee is $269. If you have FlexVolt tools and some of the Milwaukee tools designed for the HD12.0 battery (like the Super Sawzall or table saw) then it really comes down to ergonomics and features.
Hey I don’t know if you knew this but for the buttons to turn the saw in you don’t have to hold it down you just click it to start it
RR Buildings team up with AVE for tool reviews?
Cousin Justin someone is above 11.
Why pair a non funny you tuber with the funniest one of them all?? Plus we all know that as a machinist, he despises filthy wood elves cutting up carbohydrate foam...this old tony and ave would likely break the youtube at minuet mark 3
Black Friday / Christmas purchase for sure.
That Milwaukee saw is bad ass! Thanks for the video!
Yeah this saw is awesome didnt know how new it was when i got it but i bet it would do just fine with a reg. Xc battery run time/battery life may vary ive used my 6.0s high output 5.0s and my 9.0s and ive had know problem with it im using a diablo 24 tooth blade havnt used the stock blade yet but it aweome i have wet dreams about this saw.
it's so nice hear I'm gonna stand in the shade
Back blade squirm seem to be better on the Milwalkee which leads me to think that having that extra mass toward the rear like a worm-drive might be helping. There should be lots of LEDs on everything power tool-wise these days. Illumination is a great safety feature in my worthless opinion.
Dude, the lawn is on point!
Great video. I wish you have put the 5.0 AMP battery instead of the 3.0 AMP battery into the test. I have two 5 amp at hand.
If they are of the same class, then only the run times will be different. If you are referring to the newer High Output class of Milwaukee M18, compared to the XC class, then you should see a difference in power.
I am heavily invested in the Milwaukee M18 platform but whats driving me away is when the electronics fail which is pretty often it costs as much for the replacement electronic part as to the replace whole tool new.
Had electronics fail in my M18 Surge Impact Driver & M18 CSS66 Circular saw & it's literally £10 to £20 more to buy the same tool new as to buy the part & I still got to strip the tool apart & fix it.
The rafter hook on the dewalt looked like an antenna lol
Nice review Kyle!
First off 70% of my work is done with M12, the best platform out there!
And all my cutting is done with M18.
I run m12/M18 at work, Makita 18 and adapters to run a few ridgid/Ryobi @ home for woodworking.
I've never used blade left, east coast bias I guess.
Everyone says having multiple brands isn't a big deal, financially however it is for batteries and chargers.
Since I buy my own as an employee.
On to these saws.
I've picked up the makita 100's of times at stores and it is very heavy, compared to blade right.
Almost all of my cuts are hidden inside posts, or side channels (think viny U channels).
For ripping my gen 1 Fuel 7 1/4 has the best markings for finger rips.
It's brighter then the typical dull magnesium slash marks, that you need to do mental math to know what they mean.
I do love the led, even though I thought it a gimmick when they came out for low lighted areas.
Regarding the paddle safety, vs push button.
I'm always trying for a scratch free cut, (powdercoated aluminum/extruded vinyl get scratches when cutting on a flat surface), so I'm always cutting with extreme end on the ground.
Maybe because I have small hands, but the paddle always makes me contort my saw hand, or ^?
I own and have tried the subcompact, and regular 6.5 Makita saws for my job.
Fence and handrails can be thin vinyl (harmonics of both Makita's shatter on every rip), vinyl with aluminum inside, aluminum only, wood, and vinyl with wood inside.
For steel I do love my Makita 5 7/8 saw!
In the end your unique job, will determine your battery platform, which influences which saw you will pick.
I think I'm right in saying a 12 ahr is roughly 8x the storage of a 3ahr, it's not as simple as dividing.. Although 60amp is a different level.
I've thermaled every M18 battery I've had, but have not had to replace any in 4 years.
Thanks again stomping horses!
The Makita rear handle, with batteries, is lighter than the M18 and FLEXVOLT saws.
@@MrSubaru1387 it's still to heavy long and awkward, since I don't rip
My DeWalt has taken the abuse, and I have other flex volt tools that I enjoy using, including the rotary hammer. I'm less concerned about battery life, it takes a few seconds to change a battery. I want performance, durability, and battery longevity. I have some DeWalt batteries over 6 years old still running. I have flex volt tools about 3 years old running just as strong.
I think the brand competition is really not a big issue, find a tool and brand you like and they will both last and treat you well.
I have Few Makita and Milwaukee tools and still enjoy DeWalt the most. Almost everything I buy from acme tools, or Platt when they have sales. Prices are similar, just don't want to have 3 different battery systems.
That’s fine
@@RRBuildings I do love these tools day videos! You really have showed some amazing tools I've fallen in love with, especially now that I've moved toward running my own construction company up in Montana. The nailers in particular were very helpful to see for me, so keep up the great work!
Really leaning towards Milwaukee.
Can't go wrong with milwaukee. I'm switching over to it from makita.
@@hunterwolfe9059 I'm switching over to Milwaukee from dewalt.
@@USMCPFC1 you'll be glad you did.
I'm curious about what the difference in power between the 8.0 and 12.0. The 8.0 is more portable.
Love Milwaukee 💙
Awesome video, I don’t have any of these saws but I do have the makita 36v rear handle circular saw. Personally I like Milwaukee tools, most of my personal carpentry tools are Milwaukee with the exception of my rear handle saw.
Cyle you overloaded the Temp sensor not the batteries. Very common on a small 5 cell battery pack by the way.
Thanks for the info- great video and comparing the two saws
I have the milwweaukee 7.1/4 left hand circular saw . And it works fantastic and I waiting on the right hand saw tools
The stopping on the Milwaukee saw is a feature to stop kick back.
So weird to me when people talk about battery issues on the DeWalt wormdriveish. Today I cut rips in 3/4 ply all day on one 6ah flexvolt which is really 2ah all day long
Thermal overload on the 3ah battery was certainly a good thing. It demonstrated the reason for
A) 12ah power
B) Thermal protection chips
They likely redesigned the heat sinks on the batteries so they cool faster, or reduced the temperature required to trigger the "overload".
id think keep the blades the same and all new on circ saw tests, could do a blade comparison for a toolsday but diablo seems to be at the head of the pack and they have very reasonable deals
you can put any blade on any saw and change them out all the time but youre stuck with one saw once you buy it
So true
From the video it looks like good saw, will have to check it out, thanks for the demo.
I was told you have to run the high demand batteries in these Milwaukee HD tools. The others will run but not designed for the tools.
The 12.0 surpasses the 9.0 in terms of performance and will power absolutely everything on the M18 platform.
They are designed around the HD12.0 battery but will run on an XC or the HD9.0 without too much of an issue - there will be a drop in power and runtime as you would expect. The CP batteries can’t handle the current draw very well, having only one row of cells.
TCPUDPATM PORTS those 21700 cells really make a difference over the older 18650s
Kyle, By the way: Energy storage is measured in Watt-Hours, not amp-hours. Watts = Volts * Amps. So when you talk about the Dewalt 60Volt * 3Amp-hour vs the 20V * 9Amp-hour, they are both 180 watt-hours. It's the same energy capacity either way. When compared with the Milwaukee which is 18Volt at 12Amp-hour, this is 216 watt-hour, which is a 20% increase over 180wh. I hope this helps.
Don’t forget that DeWalt’s 60V and 20V numbers are max voltage. Still 18V and 54V nominal, so the DeWalt is a bit less.
@@reaperreaper5098 I think it's actually nominal and actual not Max and nominal but yes if we want to get technical we can do that but keep in mind the voltage does drop during discharge so if you really want to get exact you would have to use advanced math.
@@CybekCusal DeWalt's 20V is max. It's why they market the platform as 20V max in the US (and 18V in most other places), and independent testers measured the output of their batteries and found that they run basically identically as their 18V competition.
Nothing to say against Milwaukee haven’t used their saw, but Makita vs Dewalt I’ll take Dewalt all day long. The power on Dewalt is much better. And comparing run time they’re both about same... but definitely Dewalt and Milwaukee have the game going!
Makita runtime is much longer because the Dewalt uses a more aggressive gear reduction to achieve the faster cutting speeds at full load.
Hey I run both of them on a job site... and maybe Makita gets more cuts per charge, but it’s not much noticeable. I’ll cut faster with a Dewalt than a Makita which makes my productivity better. That’s all I care about, by the time I’ll need batteries changed, the others are ready and charged. It feels like Makita is underpowered... it’s my opinion and I believe that there’s other people that’s think differently.
The ability to switch between batteries is much better than having that larger batteries and the single system that will work with the Dewalt.
Hello Kyle, It would be nice to see a sawdust chute exiting off the side opposite to where the blade is that you are watching. Notice both aren't good at that. Great that Milwaukee gives a good sight line. Be nice to see if those guards hang up on thin material. !/4" ply etc. One of my pet peeves is both the push button safety and guards that hang up. Good video. Take care. Doug
Great video Kyle?
Can u do some comparisons in tool quality after a couple years of rugged use i wanna know how tools stand up to day to day abuse
Glad you didn't do a run time video since that's a moot point. A 12 amp hour flex volt should be comparable to a 12 amp hour Milwaukee. It's in the watts.