Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition Spoilers Review - Collider Heroes
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this special Collider Heroes Spoilers Review of Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice Ultimate Edition Jon Schnepp, Dennis Tzeng, Steve 'Frosty' Weintraub and Umberto Gonzalez discuss and debate this version compared to the theatrical one.
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With Zack Snyder’s Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Ultimate Edition arriving on Digital HD today and Blu-ray next month, last night Warner Bros. offered fans in select cities a chance to see the extended cut in movie theaters. Since information about this R-rated extended cut hit prior to the films theatrical release, fans have wondered if the extra thirty minutes would solve story problems, and if WB should have released the extended cut in theaters instead of the version that went out around the world.
While I understand why WB wouldn’t want to release a three hour R-rated superhero movie (especially one designed to sell toys and t-shirts t kids) the version they put in theaters had so many story/script problems that even the most die-hard DC fans were left scratching their heads after the film ended wondering why certain decisions were made by the main characters.
But after watching the ultimate edition last night, I can honestly say the three hour cut of Batman v Superman is such an improvement that I strongly suggest giving the film another chance. Not only does the North Africa sequence at the beginning of the film now make sense, you get to see Clark Kent be an investigative reporter, understand how Lex was pulling the strings to frame Superman, how Lex was behind the killings when Batman branded someone, and so much more.
Besides the big scenes, which explain a lot, the ultimate edition is loaded with smaller moments tacked on to existing scenes. Have you wondered why Superman wasn’t able to see the bomb during the Senate hearings? That’s explained. After the bomb goes off, you see Superman helping the injured while people clearly don’t want him there. Remember when Clark leaves Metropolis to go into the mountains and talks with his father? That sequence has a new beginning.
Also, the funeral towards the end, you get to see a lot of familiar faces you might remember from Man of Steel. There’s more with Wonder Woman. Longer fight sequences between our heroes. So many scenes have added moments it’s literally impossible to summarize them all here. But that’s what happens when you cut thirty minutes out of a three hour film. That’s one sixth of what Snyder wanted to release.
When the film ended and we were leaving the theater, I started to feel bad for Zack Snyder. Since the film was released and got mediocre to terrible reviews, he’s stayed quiet and not said anything about his three hour cut and the film he wanted to release. He’s been a company man and supported Warner Bros. decision to release the shorter version.
But it had to hurt.
After watching his full cut I have to say I’m even more excited to see his take on Justice League. And I was pretty amped up after doing that set visit last week.
Look, I’m not saying the Batman v Superman: Ultimate Cut solves all the problems. Far from it. How does Amy Adams know to go get the Kryptonite spear after throwing it away? Why couldn’t Superman keep trying to talk to Batman before their fight to explain how Lex was using them? He tries for like a second and then it's fight night. But the extended cut does solve tons of little things which didn’t make sense in the original release so instead of a dozens of problems, I’m only frustrated by a few things and it’s a lot easier to forgive a few things that dozens.
I know many of you are not going to give the Ultimate Edition a chance because of whatever reason. But I’m telling you the Ultimate Edition is a radical change to the theatrical cut and if you’re a Batman or Superman fan you should absolutely check it out.
Last night, right after watching the movie, Jon Schnepp, Dennis Tzeng, Umberto Gonzalez and I recorded a special episode of Collider Heroes. All four of us thought the ultimate edition was better than the theatrical cut and Schnepp, who didn’t like BvS, had the biggest transformation. Watch what we had to say in the video above.
In conclusion: If Zack Snyder wants to make a 3 hour movie, you LET Zack Snyder make a 3 hour movie.
Cant show it in Imax without a hard break.
I think the reason it was so long in the first place ia because WB is rushing and wanted him to fit so much in this one movie. he had to continue the story from man of steel, introduce a new batman, introduce lex luthor and all his motivations, make wonder woman fit in the movie somehow, the creation of doomsday, all the justice league cameos, etc. he had to stuff so much in one movie that he had no choice but to shoot a ton of footage to fit this all in and he ended up with a 3 hr movie that flows pretty well. and then on top of all that they wanted him to cut it down to 2.5 hours which left important plot points on the cutting room floor. so I dont blame snyder at all. the studio wanted so much in one movie and he did the best he could
I think the reason it was so long in the first place ia because WB is rushing and wanted him to fit so much in this one movie. he had to continue the story from man of steel, introduce a new batman, introduce lex luthor and all his motivations, make wonder woman fit in the movie somehow, the creation of doomsday, all the justice league cameos, etc. he had to stuff so much in one movie that he had no choice but to shoot a ton of footage to fit this all in and he ended up with a 3 hr movie that flows pretty well. and then on top of all that they wanted him to cut it down to 2.5 hours which left important plot points on the cutting room floor. so I dont blame snyder at all. the studio wanted so much in one movie and he did the best he could
Jose Striedinger 😂😂..Its funny because WB fucked him by cropping a 3 hour JL film to a 2 hour film.
A lesson they didn't learn, and in fact made a much worse decision with Justice League. It's such a damned, stomach churning, shame, that truly upsets me, and so many other day one DCEU fans, on a frequent basis.
So the problem with the movie for you guys is that Superman doesn't try to talk to him but he tried multiple times
There's a dialogue in the film for that
"MEN LIKE THAT WORDS DON'T STOP HIM , YOU KNOW WHAT STOPS HIM, FIST!"
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Superman doesn't know who Bruce is YOU MUST BE JOKING
AT THE START OF THE FIGHT BETWEEN THEM HE SAYS "BRUCE PLEASE LISTEN TO ME"
THEN How did Louis Know to get the spear ?
-> SHE SEES A MONSTER COMING OUT THE KRYPTONIAN SHIP
REMEMBERS A WEAPON THAT HARMED THE KRYPTONIAN (SUPES)
SORRY BUT THESE WEREN'T PROBLEMS IN THE MOVIES
Lois doesn't know doomsday is kryptonian
+Flynn M She 1) tried getting it because it was a weapon or 2) she probably put 2 & 2 together and thought doomsday is an alien like superman it'll probably effect him. At least that's what I think. That scene really doesn't bother me, I've seen a variety of weird scenes I don't think it's fair for people to make a big deal out of this.
Dude how can she see Doomsday coming out of Kryptonian ship? she was in Gotham at that time
+samid mirkar She was the person who told Superman about the ship duh man
+James Pierce those aren't problems
Even in the comics does Clark find out as a reporter that BRUCE IS BATMAN
NO! He uses X Ray vision
Bruce is manipulated by Alex badly in all ways it just added fuel to fire for his hate against Supes
In the BvS Ultimate Edition, Lex is prisoner AC231940.
Action Comics #23, 1940: Lex's first appearance in comics.
Loved that Easter egg. There were quite a few date-related ones.
Cute but also During an argument, Perry White tells Clark, “It’s not 1938 anymore.” 1938 is the year Action Comics #1 was published, which featured the first appearance of Superman.
When Luthor is locked up in prison, you can see his prisoner number “16-TK421” on his jumpsuit. This is a reference to a line in Star Wars: A New Hope when Luke and Han take on Stormtrooper disguises and an officer asks, "TK421, why aren't you at your post?
+Superhero News Can't wait to hear yalls review
Man you're awesome mad attention to detail.
Gotdamn...
Theatrical Cut: 5.5/10
Ultimate Cut: 8/10
I've watched MoS and BvS: UE back to back twice, and it's honestly an incredible experience.
Did you do the same thing with those 2 and the snyder cut?
SCHNEPP LIKED IT?! HOLY CRAP.
Well I guess there's still some hope left. Maybe I'll actually like it. hahaha.
It's funny because you can see his eyes glowing unlike before where he looked like Xavier with the black eyes.
Haha
wow this gives me some hope. still have to watch it!
Of all the reviews, Schnepp not liking BvS hit me hardest as I greatly respect his views on comic book related film adaptations. I personally enjoyed the cinematic version but I had huge issues with plot and editing, like many others. Pre-ordered the Ultimate Edition and can't wait to give this vid a proper watch when I get back from work!
See? I never blamed Snyder. I blamed Warner Bros. And for a good reason. Always told it wasn't Snyder's fault
Warner Bros should of just released this version plus I never blamed Snyder also
Yeah ever since Watchmen theater release, I liked it. When the ultimate edition came out, I loved it. So I saw this coming
***** He still did a great job considering he was given such a difficult task. I feel that he should co-direct it though, so it can be easier. Maybe with Affleck
if you can't make a good movie in 2.5 hours with batman and superman you are doing something wrong sorry
ry wyche But he did make a good movie (ultimate edition), it is just that WB fucked it up.
Always try to give Zack Snyder the benefit of the doubt. Dawn of the Dead was great, and 300 was a big hit (even made it into pop culture references), so we know he can make competent films. Watchmen was hated when it was released in theaters, but that's only because the studio cut it to pieces, and the Ultimate Cut was widely praised. Apparently the same is true for Batman v Superman. Maybe before we try to mass shame him, and try to destroy his career, we should at least wonder if a theatrically released movie of his is actually his original vision.
Once he reads all these comments, he's gonna print them out and force WB to make Justice League four hours.
+Michael Buckelew haha
+Michael Buckelew I'm fine with that haha
Message to WB: please don't cut JL
+Michael Buckelew Unfortunately if they do that, it means less screenings which means less money.
I just wanna apologize to zack snyder for bashing on him. when i should've been bashing on warner bros this whole time. but i understand why wb shortened it
When you watch movies, is it all in a red hue? When you don't like a movie do you give it an optic blast?
Captain America Hydra Agent nah. I wouldn't wanna pay for the damages so i just hold it in
You realize it's Zachs responsibility to hire a good editor and shoot the best possible movie he can? He's using OPM, so no, he's an idiot.
Snyder himself said he didn't want to release a 3 hour version. ew.com/article/2016/03/04/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-r-rated-ultimate-edition
Movie Watcher Dude, here are HIS OWN WORDS:
“We were just like, ‘Okay, look. We’re not making a three-hour movie. I mean, even I didn’t want to make a three-hour movie,” Snyder says. “I drove the cuts probably harder than anyone. The studio, they were willing to let the movie indulge pretty hard. But I felt like it’s at a manageable two-and-a-half hours. Let’s also not forget the credits are super long, the end credits. So the movie’s closer to two hours and 22 minutes.”
HOLY FUCKING SHIT......... I just saw the film . Omfg the difference between the theatrical and the ultimate cut edition is crazy. Snyder got FUCKED in the ass by Warner bros. THIS is the BVS that we deserved . Holy shit. Holy shit. Also keep in mind this is coming from someone who thought this movie was a 2/10 and a marvel fanboy . I will admit when I am wrong . I apologize Zach Snyder . There is still some flaws and issues of course but still giving a 8.5/10.
wow this makes more excited now to see people like yourself who safe to say hated the theatrical but now liked the ultimate. I'm a dc fan and was disappointed by the theatrical so now I wanna to see this badly
I loved this movie despite the flaws and I know I'll love the Ultimate cut but I don't buy your story. You seem to try hard, are you sure you're not already a fanboy :p ?
wow!
This is the changes of opinion that Frosty was talking about at the end, for me seeing what the fans think of this cut is just as fascinating as the cut itself. Glad you enjoyed the shit out of it brother.
+Edwin M Rivero my Uncle works for Warner Bros. he works on set for multiple movies . Including this one.
It's definitely a better cut, but it's essentially the same movie. Superman is a more competent hero in this cut. Some elements are more justified in this cut.
And Ben Affleck is still great as Batman.
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This. It makes MUCH more sense and is definitely a better movie but it's still not the movie I want with these heroes that I love.
it not the tone.... it WB!!!!! don't cut shit next time
I thought BvS was okay, I gave it a 7/10 but this ultimate edition omg I gave it a 8.5/10. The ultimate edition fleshes the story much better. I blamed Synder for releasing that original version but now I blame Warner Bros for cutting out scenes there were important to the story. Hopefully they learned their mistakes for their future DC films.
An okay movie rating isn't 7/10 okay is a 6/10!
why is everyones rating so effed up!
QLCHerald Because people have different ratings than other people? And besides this is my opinion on the movie and I gave it a 7/10 which is average so.
+Hingle McCringlebaby 5 is an average rating from 1-10. That's how medians work. It isn't a grading scale of 0-100, where 70 is a passing grade, it's a metric whereas all film should be given a flat 5, and added or subtracted points based on the merits of the film. A 7/10 would be a VERY positive review of a film from many professional critics, 8.5 would be incredible. Anything OVER 5 would be a positive review, it isn't "a personal opinion", it's the agreed on protocol for using a 1-10 scaling system with all forms of punditry. Fans using a point system is only muddying the waters for what should be an extremely easy to understand and face value metric system.
+QLCHerald why such a douche?
Calm down people! It is not the end of the world! Lol
People owe Zack Snyder a big apology.
Not their fault Warner bros released a unfinished film , so no apology needed.
+Just Chris people are shitting on Snyder for no reason
I agree. I was telling everyone of my friends to wait for this cut of the movie before writing off Snyder. Looks like I was correct. He has a great resume on movies I don't know why so many people bash the poor guy.
No apologies, necessarily... but he does need some more respect as a competent film maker. Many were hoping and wanted this to be the film to finish him. The funeral dance was at a 10. Maybe tmmw haters.
Ken Britton Its because he's the director he has to take the blame, he shud of made a film that didnt need 3 hours to tell the full story.
theatrical cut: 8/10
ultimate cut: 9/10
Luis, I agree with you completely. The Ultimate Cut was good but not great. The theatrical cut was bad. If this cut was released in the theatres instead. They would have cleared the 1 billion dollar mark easy despite the additional run time.
darcrequiem the theatrical cut was still very good, but the ultimate cut was a damn near masterpiece. Sorry you are unable to see it.
It's called a difference of opinion. The theatrical cut is a poorly edited mess that completely fails to justify the anti Superman sentiment. While I still don't like Eisenberg's Luthor. The Ultimate Cut gives him more depth. The third act is still a weakness.
darcrequiem some editing bumps along the way does not change the overall story. the overall story and world they took us in with the theatrical cut was great. again, sorry you are unable to see it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the third act, just your imagination.
If you don't editing can change a film, then this is what waste of time. Removing lines, scenes, and/or changing the sequence of scenes does alter the story.
I heard people say they weren't going to see BvS bc the critics thought it was bad.... I think more people would have saw this 3 hour cut as long as it was good
I think the critics would still have a problem with the length..they can't seem to sit through a 3 hour movie
+blackrock316 they sat through lord of the rings thats almost 3 hours so maybe the would have loved
Great Point!!!
The problem is people fucking won't see a movie if someone else says it's not good nobody wants their own opinion. Also critics review things before they even come out so they ruin movies before people decide to see them.
***** And from what I've heard, if you hated The Theatrical version, you won't like this one. This is only for those who liked the movie but thought it had some problems
The funny thing I've noticed is that "consider this mercy/do you bleed" scene makes so much more sense now and feels so deeper! It really surprised me.
Because in this cut, Superman really thinks Batman is a cruel man who brands and stabs people and only "a fist" can stop him, etc., so when you see this scene, it feels so different than in theatrical cut. Now you understand why he acts and sounds so presumptuous and haughty, like "consider this mercy" like he really thinks he speaks with some awful person.
+raininglame20 No he didnr crush him against a wall, his hands was between the dudes back and wall
+raininglame20 He didn't kill that man! FOR THE 1000TH TIME! He said he didn't kill anyone in the desert! Zack Snyder himself even said he didn't kill the terrorist! Why do people still keep spewing that bullshit????
The first half of the Ultimate Edition is a masterpiece. I paused and shook my head and screamed: THIS IS WHAT GREAT STORY TELLING LOOKS LIKE. It was like a typical DC comic, with Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne investigating around Metropolis and Gotham.
I feel sorry for Zac Snyder, they really should have released this version.
I thought I was the only person who thought this.The story telling in the first half is fucking great.
lovelace cofie yep, the bald white guy on the panel hits the nail on the head about that Africa scene being fleshed out. That scene is the foundation.
Eva Green Fan The reason why i am so pleased with this movie is that,I never felt the way i felt after watching this version of the movie before about a Comic Book movie since TDK.And it was just my first watch.So imagine if i watch this movie for the 2nd & 3rd time.
It's amazing that they did this twice to Snyder. Each time, Snyder's original vision and movie was worlds better than the cut they came up with.
I hope we've all learned a valuable lesson from this.
the 4 hour version of justice league would never have been released in theatres. Covid and streaming popularity are the reasons for that release.
How did everyone miss the point of the "Martha" scene? Batman doesn't stop fighting Superman because their mothers have the same name, he stopped because he realized Superman had a mom. That he wasn't just an alien here to impose his will. He was raised here, and he cares about the people on this planet. It baffles me that so many people missed this.
A LOT of shit goes over my head on a day to day basis, but the Martha scene made perfect sense the first time I watched it
Poor execution
How does batman know that Martha is also Clark's mom's name initially? The answer is he doesn't. So he didn't initially stop because superman has a mom. In fact don't we see batman flash back to his mom getting killed?
He was about to kill superman until he said Martha. Not mom, not save my mom, not you are letting them kill mom etc.
@@danielalemu5663 no its not, he realized that after all he did was killing innocent people, at the end he was cursed to be just like the killer of his parents.
@@lye27 that it was piss poor especially for the world greatest detective, plus he never said whose Martha
Instead he said specifically why did you say that name
That name
And the execution was poor it made it seem as though he stop because of the shared names
BVS is a masterpiece if seen with an open mind and every detail noticed
If Schnepp liked it imagine what it means for those ppl who loved it.
I... have some bad news about them.... They've all exploded. Like they all collectively said Dr. Manhattan got blue balled by Silk Spectre.
Just guts and jizz everywhere.
I have found that the people who already love the film, like me, probably didn't need these extra scenes because we are already so versed in the DC Universe (comics, films, animation, video games) that we had no problem understanding the motivations of the characters or the story. We just know the characters so well we got it right away.
+kieralinn i loved the theatrical release, so hearing his thoughts about the ultimate cut makes me excited
wasn't a shit story. just poorly told. You could tell how harshly it was cut. Snyder is a better- smoother director than what was shown theatrically.
For me the Theatrical cut was a 7-7.5/10
This Ultimate Edition is 8.5/10 really liked it a lot more.
I gave theat score for the theatrical as well! i hope i give the same for Ultimated cut! im soo punped, cant wait to watch it
That's my exact rating for the theatrical version too. Great minds think alike haha.
+DarkKnight2037 I really had a bad time watching the Theatrical cut, but this new cut made a lot more sense. I hope people take a second chance to watch this movie.
Andrew Castillo What idi you rate the thatre one vs the ultimate cut?
+DarkKnight2037 I gave it a 6.5/10 I really want to see the ultimate edition now
Hail Snydra!!
And that's the bottom like cause Donald Trump said so!!!
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lmfao best comment ever
can I use this or is it copyrighted
+Jeffrey Aviles sure man lol
+dmoneybay I tweeted this, thank you.
lol
I miss Jon Schnepp, of all nerds he deserved to see Zack Snyder's Justice League.
Miss you Mr. Schnepp. I would have loved seeing your sweaty reaction to the announcement of Zack Snyder's Justice League. RIP.
Right? And he knew it would come someday too.
I was there and met you guys. Your all really cool .The Ultimate Cut was awesome
did you guys see it in theaters?
+jason evelio I liked the theatrical cut. but I thought the Ultimate Edition was a lot better. made me love the film
I actually despised the ultimate edition, I regretted purchasing it
Sure u did.
Zack Snyder made a MASTERPIECE.
No. Just no.
Hell yes.
he made a very good movie but not yet a masterpiece, maybe JL will be the masterpiece, we will have to wait.
+Abe The Egyptian Pharaoh no WATCHMAN was his masterpiece
+Jared Cruz It's called WatchmEn. And the graphic novel was the masterpiece, not the movie.
So I was not a huge fan of the theatrical version I thought it was 6/10, but I just stayed up and watched the UE and now it's a 8/10.
same for me. I still has some problems with doomsday, especially how he gets made but everything before that feels much more smoother
+michael adkins On the screen
My verdict: A smoother ride that's still a bumbling mess of a story
originally I gave it a 4/10. Now a 6/10
It's an okay movie now
The ultimate edition is absolutely phenomenal and is honestly my favorite movie of all time
Dennis Tzeng - 8/10
Steve Weintraub - 8.5/10
Jon Schnepp - 8.5/10
Umberto Gonzales - 10/10
Overall: 8.8/10
BvS UE may not fix every plot issue present before , but it succeeds at delivering a better, more cohesive and developed movie.
Much better than Rotten Tomatoes isn't it?
Dennis seems level headed on this. He's not fanboying.
That's how he usually is.
+Linnyboy And boring.
Gabriel Herrera I find him more level headed and you sometimes need that in a room full of fanboys/girls
+Linnyboy fanbous buy john s hated the first version lol ok
***** What?
I can't wait to see the ultimate edition now thank you schnepp.
When is it out?
+Fidgit007 Burke It comes out next month on blu ray I believe on the 17th.
+Fidgit007 Burke Right now, digitally.
+Batman where can I get it from? I have looked online everywhere
+Kai Alexander Suppose to be out on digital only... Try Vudu
Glad to hear you liked it Schnepp. I actually cried at the end of this version and that didn't happen the first 3 times. Can't wait for the 4 hour cut
Do you think they'll actually release a 4 hour cut one day? I mean, if that cut is available, I'm guessing the perfect timing would be right before Justice League hits theaters to add more hype.
+Captain America Hydra Agent I think so only because they had one of watchmen
I cried too. Doesn't matter that you know he's coming back. His sacrifice was affecting.
+DamnFineCupOfCoffee affecting what? you cried because the superman you knew and loved died, not the superman that is portrayed in the movie. 1 and a half movie in and his dead affecting you? man you must've hit rock bottom when han solo died
Adri Ramadhan Na, Han Solo's death didn't affect me whatsoever. I cried when Kirk's dad died in the first 5 minutes of Star Trek though.
Hearing him start the video off saying he liked it was all I needed...going to buy it when it's available! I was shocked to hear Jon say it with a smile on his face!
It's on iTunes right now if you're interested
It's available anywhere that sells digital movies. If you want that plastic disc you're going to have to wait until after the 4th.
+Bruce Wayne tf
RIP Jon Schnepp
Last time I was this early Messi still played for Argentina.
LMAOOO.bro Messi have had enough.
He'll be back.
Hahahah maan saab😂😂😂
+Addy Randhawa I see what you did there. #Punjabi
holy shit never thought i would see a soccer fan, but truth be told messi will be back he just said that cause he is a little tire after losing 4 finals with argentina.
Yo, Frosty, The Dark Knight Rises was roughly 3 hours and it crossed a billion
Good point.
Because it had a critically acclaimed sequel behind it and it was the final instalment in a trilogy which means a lot of people were going to see it anyway. BvS just had MoS behind it which wasn't critically acclaimed sadly.
Mufti Hossain But it was a good movie.
@@_pennybags6210 But when you look at the opening weekend and the fact it's a movie with BATMAN and SUPERMAN, that should've seal the deal
Schnepp turned to the light side of the force :o
You game at Nocturna Lounge at Restaurant Row?
Holy crap I have not been to restaurant Row in years.
BensGaming808
In your opinion should I wait for PS4 Neo or Xbox Scorpio? Or just buy PS4 or Xbox One slim (August) now?
The NEO and Scorpio is only worth getting if you have a 4k television. It will not offer any benefits to you if you don't have a 4k TV.
can we just wait till Sony announces what the NEO can do?
I liked the theatrical version. The Ultimate Edition is soooo much better.
Agree
+Creep eth actually in this cut his arcs and clark's is better explained especially with the extra line of dialogue"i dont hate the sin i hate the sinner and yours is existing" which is how some justify killing other races see where im going with this?
Everyone that trashed the theatrical release should apologise to Zack Snyder... Night and Day for sure!P.S. I soo agree with the bald guy!
It's still not very good it just doesn't feel as forced.
+GlassTopRX7 no it's good
It was meh before, hated it... now its good, not great just good. A big jump from 5.5/10 to 7.3/10 for me.
@@GlassTopRX7 lol, it’s a great movie!
I loved it, It kind of makes me want to watch his Ultimate Cut of Man of Steel.
i'd love to watch 3:30 hours of MoS.
Kelley M There is no Ultimate Cut for Man of Steel.
We don't need an ultimate cut MOS is great in my opinion
or of Justice League!
Lois got the spear because there was something funky going on at the Kryptonian ship 5 minutes earlier. Now there is a 16 foot tall monster beating the crap out of her boyfriend. She put 2 and 2 together.
I would like to apologize to Zack Snyder, WB should have release the 3 hour long film in theaters.
I dont think Lex created Doomsday to kill himself. I think Lex thought he could control Doomsday because it "born blood of my blood." So Lex thought Doomsday would follow him since they share similar DNA but like with Frankenstein's monster, its never that easy.
The Internet should apologise to Zak Synder, you all should give him an apology
see the dark and violent tone had nothing to do with the film being bad the extended cut made this film awesome I'm extremely disappointed that the new films will be lighter tone and more kid friendly that stupid because that wasn't the issue the issue was the pacing of the theatrical cut
before bvs came out in theaters Chris terrio said that jl will be brighter
+Cameron Pack The Messiah has to die before He rises. I understand the movie logic. The pitch blackness helps us see the stars... then we can fully grasp the sun! I am fine with Justice League being brighter!
Everything don't have to be dark
I would say, with Superman's acceptance of "this is my world." and Batman's guilt, there should be a lighter tone in character. But the badguys should be just as dark.
+mrcooldeadly85 I'm just saying I liked the film but and the reason people didn't was because of the sloppiness of it not the tone lol
Wow... so many months of getting creamed by people who said this movie was trash. All the things I assumed in theatrical cut turned out to be true in this cut. Now other people can finally see the movie I saw while watching it in theatres. :D Never doubted you Snyder!
Tubatitan12 Yup. I'm just glad people have finally joined Superman in the sun.
17:00 - Lex creating Doomsday is the backup plan in case Batman doesn't kill Superman. Lex doesn't care whether the planet lives or dies, he knows it has no chance against what is coming (knowledge from the Kryptonian archive). NOTE: I've yet to see the ultimate edition so I am basing this purely on the theatrical cut of the film.
Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition was a masterpiece in my opinion because it helped the story flow better & their are some scenes that extended longer than what thertical cut shown us. I know a lot of people were not on board with Jessie Eisenberg just because of the weird gestures he was acting as Lex, but I gotta say though his evil mastermind plan was genius & to be honest he wasn't all that bad or terrible at all. I loved how the UC showed a scene where Superman is helping out with the humans that were completely wounded or perhaps dead after the capital blew up inside. The editing & pacing was still a lithe choppy and ended short, but overall I thought the Ultimate Edition was just fansastic. I gave the Thertical cut an 8.8/10 but I gave the Ultimate Cut a 9.5/10.
I will say that I'm disappointed about how the rumor of Jena Malone didn't really come true or not begin Barbara Gordon, and that to me is kind of a waste of choice.
I don't think the theatrical cut desrveres anything above 7.5 tbh. It lacks proper story telling and relies on incomplete character arcs.
The ultimate cut doesn't deserve anything below a solid 9 or even a 9.5 maybe.
Good discussion. I liked the theatrical, but love thef ultimate edition
SCHNEPP will be so missed his knowledge is so vast RIP
The Ultimate Cut of Batman v Superman almost feels like a completely different film. it's because it focuses a lot on Superman, whereas the theatrical cut felt more like a Batman film.
Even the ultimate version had some scenes still left out because of WB
I come from the future, and this movie is more epic more and more
I come from the even more in the future and HBO Max is releasing the Snyder Cut of JL but has yet to upload this Ultimate Edition of BvS. Meanwhile Lex at Amazon just raised the price from $8 to $18 to own.
Zang's comment is very interesting, of how Lex kidnapped Martha to force him to fight. Yet, after all that setup to get Superman to fight, he went and kidnapped Martha. Why bother?
What Zang is forgetting, is that unlike a mentally traumatized Batman, Superman is a good wholesome Boy Scout. His character cannot be so easily corrupted and manipulated. After all the setup and manipulation, he still could not get Superman to really WANT to fight Batman. The only way to force the issue at that point, was to kidnap his mother.
I think it was a masterpiece.
i like when clark calls her mother in the phone.. it flesh him out the her mother is a key piece in the movie..
mothers are gods to the eyes of his child.
this ultimate cut makes me change heart for the movie. love it now more.
I actually saw it on Saturday ( it was online) and it's better. Love or Hate it the movie, Ben Affleck is a awesome Bruce Wayne/Batman.
link ?
+datboi forthere You can get it now, it's out on Digital HD.
+datboi forthere it was taken down
Yes please give us the link!
I don't plan on spending my money on utter and complete bull!
So the link would be much appreciated!
just search it up its no big deal finding movies online.
Just saw the ultimate edition, and yes, superman dose call batman Bruce
When Collider was good smh 🤦🏾♂️ Miss that guys ☹️
Bullshit,Ultimate edition adds another bore,joylessness and stupidity in this movie
This movie is an insult to DC
Extended cut didn't fix Superman being boring,Batman being agressive,killer who wants to kill Supes,whole Martha scene,Introducing other JL members with fucking laptop,Batman and WW chatting through skype.Lex Luthor's unexplained motivations.OMG
As passionate DC fan,i thought this movie was garbage.I hope Suicide Squad can redeem DCU,No matter what DC comics are better than Marvel,It's Snyder that fucked up.
And your an insult to your corporate master.
You are all sad conformists who like this movie.It has nothing to do with DC comics characters.Pathetic fucks think that I am Marvel or Disney fan,guess what,I didn't like TFA the rehash awakens either
GreatSage I don't care about marvel I didn't even mention it
Indeed. Feel like the people that are saying this is better than the theatrical version, are only saying that to please the butthurt side of the fans. R-rated my anus
The real question is why have a script that was 4 hours long in the first place. Thats why the movie had to be trimmed so much.
I think most movies originally get scripted much longer and then they make cuts based on what works once it's been shot. You can do reshoots to add something, but it's obviously easier to just trim something that worked better in your head that it did in reality.
I heard there's a 5 hour cut of Phantom Menace somewhere.
And a 5 hour version of Django Unchained.
So whether movies are good or bad has nothing to do with their total footage actually shot versus final edit runtime.
because look how much the studio wanted in this one movie. he had to make the movie long. they wanted wonder woman, the justice league cameos, lex luthor, doomsday. he had no choice but to film a shit ton of footage to fit all this stuff in. its just as much if not more the studios fault than it was his.
Soooo.....It's probably a good idea for me to watch the Ultimate Edition instead of the theatrical cut since I still haven't seen the movie.......alrighty.
If you are interested in still watching BvS, yes, sounds like an overwhelming positive feedback for the ultimate edition.
+Captain America Hydra Agent Captain America being a HYDRA Agent caught me of guard
dont even bother with theatrical watch only the ultimate cut
i've seen both, and gotta say i'm glad you are only watching the ultimate.
the theatrical cut is crap
Just pretend that the theatrical cut doesn't exist
Schnepp what do u have against Martha, the way it played was beautiful and smart.
My biggest problem with the scene is you have Batman going off on Alfred telling him "If there is a 1% chance of him turning on us we have to kill him". To Batman learning Superman has a mommy and boom everything is instantly okay and they are now best friends.
+pathora44 cause he saw himself in superman that was the point of the martha scene by killing superman he was turning into the man that took his own mother away from him
The scene implies that Batman is so dumb, he never considered Superman could have a mother like him, until he realized their mothers have the same name.
+Eric Staples no. it shows Batman has a trigger word for his trauma and that he realised that in this scenario he is the mugger with the gun about to commit an atrocity to a man who is loved by a hunan woman and a mother who will lose her son
Eric Staples this scene implies that he only saw superman as an alien and has an alien mother not a human one or a human girlfriend in Lois he realizes that this alien has human emotions
hearing Schnepp give it an 8.5 actually made a tear drop from my eye
I'm glad he liked it
why did lex create dooms day? according to an interview with both executive producers...they said that lex thought he could control dooms day bc of the fact that he used his own blood (dooms day was apart of lex or so he thought)
+tamzgaming yes, it's his backup plan if his other attempts to motivate batman to kill him failed.
You make a Kryptonian to kill a Kryptonian? Isn't that just adding to the Kryptonian problem?
+AlphaProto he doesn't care about consequences
+AlphaProto he does not care.
Still didn't like the fact how Doomsday was created nor why he was even in this film to begin with.
Theatrical Cut - 8.5/10
Ultimate Edition - 9.5/10
MARTHA!!!!!
DURANS!!! I am your father. Search your feelings, you know it to be true!
Donald Trump shall make Hydra and the USA great again. - This message was approved by Marvel and the Republican party.
+Captain America Hydra Agent MARTHA!!!
Durans Mind
Where?
Oh yeah, did you like my movie better than Deadpool? I was such a badass by shoving my shield into Iron Man's chest. Can't make love to him with that armor on.
#Buildthatwall
+Captain America Hydra Agent martha doesnt jump walls
In the film, I considered Doomsday as a metaphor for man creating a weapon of his own demise (eg. the atomic bomb), which is why I loved the irony of the "key red" sequence. Also, Doomsday is genetically part Lex. I"m sure he thought it wouldn't kill him simply because it would sense his creator.
Id wish people would be more open and acknowledging of this editions improvements, rather than purely hating the film.
so WB really cut out Batman detective stuff and Clark Kent reporter stuff... but kept all the Lois Lane stuff?
Theatrical cut 10/10
Ultimate Cut 10/10
Now that I can get behind.
Theatric cut 10/10
Ultimate cut 11/10
Theatric cut 10/10
Ultimate cut 11/10
Theatrical Cut - 1/10
Ultimate Edition - 1.1/10
Theatrical cut 8/10
Ultimate/director's cut 10/10
I actually watched the Ultimate Edition today and I have to say on behalf of Snyder and all the people who worked on this...I apologize.....so very deeply.
Glad to hear Schnepp's feelings on this. We had similar thoughts on the first one (although I gave it a lower score and I feel like I enjoyed it more but either way) so it's really good to hear this fixes some of the problems. I'm excited to see this when the BR comes out in a few weeks (because it wasn't in a theater near me).
Gotta give Schnepp credit for his editor's eye. He knew the theatrical cut was too clunky. I loved the first cut, but it was asking a lot from the audience. Love Collider.
Jon woulda been the one to talk about the Snyder Cut man…
What annoys me more than anything...
Batman Vs Superman was so incredibly amazing, that due to the negativity surrounding the movie from likes of Rotten Tomatoes, the course correction DC has moved in since has ruined the universe.
People saying wonder girl was great, and now Justice league is a fucking joke, this is precisely what DC has become... a fucking joke.
Sad sad times.
We'll never have the Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman styled movies again.
The ultimate edition has really become one of my favourite movies ever. It lets the fucking film breathe, plus deconstructs batman and superman which i love. So good
bvs ultimate cut still didn't change my mind about the film. hated it.
what did you hate?
Shakil Script, Script, Script.
***** Specifics, Specifics, Specifics.
Shakil There really should have used Robin for batman's development. The movie had no great scenes I can rewatch like Civil war or Star Wars TFA. Batman and Superman should have had a conflict about their differences without been manipulated by Lex Luthor. Lois Lane side story is so boring. It was not the Film i wanted.
Contrarian
Superman does know he's Batman. He calls him Bruce before they fight.
I agree with Schnepp. It was great to see more scenes of Clark Kent.
I love 3 hour long movies! more bang for my buck! never released how many people dislike 3 hour movies like damn is adhd that bad these days? lol Lord of the Rings anyone?
*realized
Yes. The hypocrisy is baffling these days!
I guess when a good film is 3 hrs long and they have too much cold drink, they wish to go to the toilet but also don't want to miss the parts of the film, so they get pissed off
+Cameron Kiesser agreed people can't fuckin sit for 3 hours what da fuck this ultimate cut was awesome
+Jibril Ramsey cant believe 90min is long for normal movie goers lol smh
Murderous Batman isn't my Batman either. Arkham City Batman will always be my Batman
He killed in the comics you hypocrite.
Arkham City is a video game not a comic
+Gordon Flash No he didn't, only in the early day but with that logic we can have a superman having rainbow powers
same here. arkham batman is best interpretation of batman for me
mijan hoque ikr
A 1 hr film can feel much longer if it's terrible. This edition didn't feel long at all.
Go watch MCU clown
That scene of Superman drowning due to Kryptonite reminded me of the 70’s Superman movie scene where Ms. Teschmacher saves him from drowning.
the theatrical version i was going to give a 8... but i gave it a 7 because of the coffin scene. But after watching the ultimate cut, i give it a 8.5. maybe 9 because i noticed on very interesting thing. if my theory is correct then its a 9.
What interesting thing?
This is NOT a hard R. It's still a 12A over here in the UK...
Closest versions of the characters to the actual source material. Bad script. Excellent execution. Let the dude release his 3 hour masterpiece.
Welcome to the "I like Batman v Superman" club, Jon! Glad to have you!
Bought the digital version when it came out and I had the same reaction Schnepp did. I nodded out twice in the theatrical cut and couldn't look away when I watched the ultimate cut.
Let Zack snyder do what he does.
Ty for releasing the UC
TY HBOMAX for giving us the Snyder Cut
My roommate owns the DC app and I just got HBO Max and neither has this Ultimate Cut. :(
You always should put out the best version of the film regardless of the runtime period. It's just a disservice to the director and us fans. Hopefully the people behind this movie have learn their lesson. God forbid the Justice League movie is bad. DC stop trying to top Marvel and playing catch up. Can't wait to see this version on the Blu Ray
+ Carlos Beltran no need to be a dick this film was awesome even more so than the theatrical cut
+Jibril Ramsey language bro:)
***** Yoshi fuck outta here go play with Mario or something
yeah after seeing this it would be a shame for snyder to abandon the tone set forth by this version of the film based on another version that people hated. And now it is as if they see the need to do it the marvel way to truly be successful but that is not the case with this version of the film.
I like Marvel movies, even tho they're less serious & sometimes goofy. I like DC better because they try to take it more serious & dark. Let's pray Snyder does not give in to pressure & stay on the same track. People love to complain just because it's popular to complain. Mostly Marvel fan boys hating on anything not Marvel. Lets be thankful to have both Marvel & DC material to see. Hate to see good guys fighting good guys like that...
It isn't exactly rocket science that Lois being the Pulitzer-common-sense-prized journalist could connect the dots together that Doomsday comes from the crashed Kryptonian ship site and that spear has weakened and wounded Superman, so it is highly likely that the spear can be used to kill off Doomsday. And by the way that was from my 13-year old nephew. And SCHNEPP DOES NOT GET IT? LMAO!
For me
Theatrical Cut: 7/10
Ultimate Cut: 9/10
"Look at us...this is how it all caves in...civilization on the wane; manners out the window..." - Absolutely brilliant.
The version is so much freakin better!!!!!
Theatrical Cut: 5/10
Ultimate Cut: 8.5/10
Clark Kent dosent know who Bruce Wayne or Batman is because he isnt from Metropolis he is from Smallville. hes only been in metropolis for a year or so and the likely hood of him learning about batman and some random billionaire is kinda low especially if batman is operating kind of low key
No, I agree with them that is a small flaw, the theatrical cut has a few of those which is why rate it at only a 7.5.
Martin Sevcech most billionaires in real life arent that famous and even in the comics bruce wayne is only a celebrity in gotham and select places
+ZombiesHowl lol. The Wayne's themselves are famous and own many things in Gotham. How does everyone else know who Bruce is but a reporter with super powers doesn't.
If he knows who lex, he should know who Bruce is.
They should have made it that Bruce had been laying low for years and really only comes out as batman.
And even then. If Clark is reporting that story so deep as he was. He would definitely know who it was.
If he could hear Louis falling and drowning. Then he could hear batman breaking arms on Gotham.
MKUltra Rex hes always listening to know hen lois is in trouble. he would know that batman is beating people up just sitting there, because many people fight in gotham so how could he distinguish whos fighting who and its not like pre new 52 superman who can hear everything on earth. this superman has to concentrate on a specific thing to find it, like when he tries to locate martha
ZombiesHowl because he's specifically looking for batman. So hmmmm, let's think how to find when batman is about. Maybe that big light that shines in the air, Maybe the sound of the bat mobile, maybe the sound of the bat wing taking off or maybe the fact that criminals are shouting "it's the batman"
There's many ways someone with supermans abilities could spot that the guy in the mask is the famous billionaire Bruce Wayne.
Like they say in the review. It is a flaw/nit pick in the movie that doesn't need to be there.
Plus people actually do know who the billionaires are. Especially people in the media. Who report on things like shares, finance and heirs to fortunes.
This movie went from an 8/10 for me straight to 10/10 I just love this Ultimate Edition so much. Wish the extended cut of suicide squad would have made me like that movie more. That's sitting at a 5/10 for me
I enjoyed the theatrical version so much, so when I finally heard about the ultimate cut I was more excited. I love this 3 hour version and honestly, I don't mind if they actually release this ultimate cut in theaters worldwide.