Agree with you regarding lawn equipment and appliances. Since January I've fixed my washer, dryer (both 10 years old) and my riding mower (20 years old). All of this is possible because of RUclips channels like yours !!!!!
Absolutely! Same here. Fixed my washer and two refrigerators with YT vids PLUS I fixed my broken governor in my B&S engine and a Tufftorq transmission both with Taryl's videos. Transmission cost $7.00 seal, governor cost $27.00, washer cost $10.95, one refrigerator cost $32.00, the other cost $19.00. All of them would have gone to the junkyard otherwise. Taryl has saved me a boatload! Imagine the cost of one new riding mower, one new washer, two new refrigerators! Bunch of $$ I tell ya! Oh, forgot engine crankcase gasket cost $23.00.
I'm a line mechanic at a Honda power equipment dealer. I've personally replaced between 50 and 100 of these. I spent the whole month of February 2024 doing nothing but this. After that much practice, I can do it in an hour and a half.
I got pretty good at putting stators in 1200 Gold wings over 30 years ago, after the first half dozen I could do it in the 6 hours Honda would pay for. You had to drop the engine...
@@Dukerdr HONDA CX500 1982,dropped engine many time, ceramic seel. Put engine plate in oven to exspand it for seel,wife not amused 25 years, divorced her but still have bike.
But how many other people showed you how too fix it correctly? That’s why I watch Tayral because he’s an honest no nonsense guy that shows people the right way too do the repair it really doesn’t matter if it’s a bit late time wise, because he’s in business and a customer brang one in too have repaired that’s why he did it! Thanks taryl
We get a lot of those models in the scrap yard. In fact, I have a couple here myself that I haven't got into yet. That is probably the problem. Glad you made this video for this problem. That's awesome. Thanks bud!
Hey taryl what works for me on that valve cover is I heat it up around the sealing surface with a torch and just about 90% of the time I get it off without bending
I've got two HR215 Master mowers with the GX160 engines. Great mowers, hydrostatic transmissions that are shaft driven and solid clutch system for the blade. Made around 1992 both are going strong and start on the first pull. You're right about the newer stuff I would trade my 30 year old mowers for a brand new one made by anybody. Thanks for your videos, I always get a chuckle or two.
I have a Honda HS55 snow thrower from 1980. The internal parts and carburetor are the original. When I pull it out of storage in the Fall, it ALWAYS starts on the first or second pull. Good thing because it DOES NOT have electric start!
"THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK", part of the reason is on some documents the print is on the front and back of the sheet. By leaving a blank page the continuity of thought is maintained by keeping the beginning of important information sections from starting on the back of a sheet. If the sheet is printed on one side only then most likely the same thought process is in play but all sheets of the notice are only printed on one side. Also, the blank sheet serves to separate the "Legal Speak" from the rest of the document/bulletin. Morning Taryl and Mr. Camera Man
I just commented above that blank page area came from not only early industries that used products but the military. it was an inclusive page of exactly what you state. Service record and note sheet. Exactly that. I am surprised to still see it still exists. I just bought a firearm same thing had 2 pages with neat little lines for info and like 4 blank pages. You are exactly correct.
None of this is correct. Its because of how its printed on newspaper rolling dies & the Honda's logo being a separately owned copyrighted die from the company that owns the industrial printing press. Switching the dies from Logo to Content Text causes the space. Sometimes the die with the logo is large diameter so the "this page was left blank" is all on the same rolling die. - Detroit.
@@andrewchristiansen8311 Huh? It seems extremely unlikely that Honda desinged these recall papers to be printed on some weird newspaper press. Most likely they just send a pdf and have any shop print it out themselves if they need it. It wouldn't make any sense to include them with every single replacement part.
@@Catrik Then why do you have to adjust the valves on a 2024 honda like its 1952? Because of exactly wtf I said. Yes the rolling dies between Hondas logo and the content have an in between die that leaves the page blank. I live in Detroit and have seen this a lot. Not my fault you live in a consumer state and know nothing. You sound like the type to drink tea and eat cookies. I just had a cheeseburger & a beer.
So I bought a brand new Honda mower last spring and sure enough it was defective. Just had it fixed by the local mower shop. I swear I almost ripped my arm off, It was really bad. They fixed it for free.
I had hurt myself good like that on a Subaru engine on a log splitter a guy brought here. I mean I woulda figured it out if thee idiot just told me it was hard to pull the cord start. But ya know like most imbiciles he just says it doesn't start. That usually means carb or coil to a guy like me. I mean if he woulda said me it is tough to pull I wouldn't have spent the rest of the summer in pain. I never did go to the doc like I should have and to this day when I have to pull something I feel that yet to this day.
I know, I know, not fun tugging on a mower engine starter rope that 'kicks back', but come on guys.....really, have we gotten so weak and SOFT and sissy that something so incredibly minor would land us all in the E.R. ??????
@@santaclause2875 no not really, but the snap-back on it is crazy! I grew playing hockey got hit so hard once I thought I went into another dimension and broke 5 ribs. I can handle pain but it’s kind of inconvenience when you pay for something that was over 1200.00 dollars and it dosent work correctly.
@Taryl ... Love your videos, but have to say I'm totally "Blown away" with the way the industry has gone !! Plastic cams, No gaskets. wow .... 50 yrs a motorcycle mechanic, but never imagined this !!
I make good side $$$ on homeowners who don't know how to put air filters in and do simple maintenance. Most homeowners don't have common sense either. Most small engine problems are linked to use and abuse of the owner. If they'd use just a little common sense..................js
This homeowner could but I’m not your average homeowner. I’ve been working on small engines since I was 9 or 10 (43 now). My mower had this work done prior to me purchasing it, though it will be going to the dealer for warranty as the valve cover is leaking oil. My old mower has an Intek that Taryl mentioned are not good. Never had a major issue with it. Service the carb once and adjusted the valves a few times. Other than that changing the oil every season and new spark plug and air filter every couple seasons. I’m going to be buying the service manual from Honda for my mower for future reference. I can understand Tarly’s frustration with plastic parts as poorly engineered parts can create many problems, but even the best engineered parts don’t stand a chance against poor production practices or workmanship. I doubt Honda will say what exactly happened but it could’ve been a production flaw that wasn’t caught until the units were in the field. At least they’ve owned up to it and are fixing it.
Thanks Tarryl, I'm in the UK I've got HRN 536 registered with Honda but haven't had a recall notice but the engine number falls within their spec so I'll be making enquiries with our local dealer on Monday.
I work for a Hayter/Toro/Stiga dealer and they sell machines with these engines. We haven't seen any recalls yet. But someone else in the comments from a Honda dealer responded to a comment I made saying Honda have done a recall on their machinery engines.
We’ve been doing a lot of these at work. Easiest just to remove clutch assembly. Most the time I just take the engine off the deck so I have more bench room. To each their own, love the videos watch them all.
the blank pages at the back of a repair manual is for helpful notes on repair tricks you learned on a specific job you rarely do so you don't have to remember for next time. at least that's what the old mechanic on my first job in a garage in my teens told me to use them for. all of his shop manuals were full of notes about tricks to save time on jobs. we got paid out of the time book, so if you beat the time, you're in the money.
Old guys are/were smart, I was lucky to have them a 100 years ago now. Now, I'm the old guy. Kid I was showing how/what/when took pictures on his phone. Phone crashed. I took my books out of the bottom of the tool box, I said, "hand written notes don't crash!" He said, "I'll be right back, had a clipboard, paper and pen. Then, "tell me the tricks again? I did walk him thru the repair again, as I ate the dozen donuts he got me. 🍩☕ I thank all the ole guys every day that helped me when I knew everything!
I have a Mountfield with this engine here in the UK - thanks for the heads up - 1 yr's professional level use- checked the serial number and my UK model isn't on the list - cheers
Another recall Is Husqvarna trimmers. The 130C and another trimmer is on a recall for a fire hazard due to incorrect wiring on the magneto. It’s on Husqvarnas website as well.
You sure made this recall-repair look easy, easy money for your shop! I'll be looking for these Honda lawn mowers at the Portland, IN, swap meet this spring and elsewhere for cheap, and then I'll bring them to your shop for this easy fix! BTW, have you tried to see if your "tube gripper" would work on your toothpaste tube?
LOL...proceeds to say there are shop that are doing this and not blowing off the bolts before they put them back in and then finds he had the wrong bolts, finds the right ones and then DOESN'T blow them off 45:39 ...gotta love it
it is a dirt infested carb and sad to see that, but your right he did not blow off the 2 fasteners but they were clean so no need to, and it is not a gas turbine engine, so no worries here,..
I learned my trade at a Honda Power Equipment dealership back in the 90’s. Back then, Honda was exclusively a premium product. When the GCV engines came out, and they started substituting them for GX series engines on some applications, we were all profoundly disappointed. It was a huge step backwards in quality. Looking back, I can now say that this was the beginning of Honda’s decline in the U.S. market. They went from making a full line of superb power equipment in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s - Lawn tractors, diesel tractors, tillers, generators, water pumps, mowers, string trimmers, and utility engines for countless construction equipment dealers, to now being barely present in the market. They also used to sell power equipment only through servicing dealers, which meant that you could be guaranteed that the people who sold you the device were factory trained to work on it. Now, you can buy Honda at every Home Depot and farm store that wants to sell it, with no after sales service provided. When Honda did this, it completely sabotaged the servicing dealers in legacy shops - Small privately owned dealerships could never compete with the buying power of a Home Depot - so the service network was completely destroyed by this fundamental change in Honda’s marketing strategy. Honda’s latest, and last mower offering is a sad end to what was once a great product line. Honda Power Equipment - going out with a whimper.
Yes, Honda double bogeyed on the 18th hole to destroy a great round. My local dealer just closed, they truly screwed their dealers who were faithful to them. Now we have throwaway technology and you can bet the battery powered will be crap. If you have even a remotely sizable lawn forget about electric because in a couple seasons the battery will last about half the time it used to and the batteries cost about as much as the mower. Been there with the ego.
That’s because Americans are always chasing the cheapest most inexpensive products. Honda was just giving them what they wanted. Why do you think everything is made in China. Cause Americans like their stuff to be cheap. Inexpensive. It’s your own damn fault
That's interesting that you say that - I have a 2007 B&S 6.5 HP Intek engine on my walk behind self-propelled mower. Bought it new in August 2002 & by August 2024 it will be 22 years old. I get about 14.42 hours of use per summer on that mower. It is now up to 317.34 hours. Bought a brand-new B&S engine that has a plastic cam gear in it that apparently explodes after a few years of service. Bought it for that sole reason & calculating the runtime hours to see how long it will run till it explodes. That engine is up to 42.6 hours of runtime, and it will be the four summer this year. I still have my parents 1986 Murray push mower with a 3.5 HP B&S Quantum flathead engine. That mower exceeds 400 hours (hour meter quit years ago) & still runs well. Smokes a little at start-up. Runs full speed and sputters at idle. The pull rope starter is also messed up & I haven't been able to find a replacement. The blower house was design to be easily taken apart by the owner for easy cleaning of the cooling fins. The blade is held on with one bolt and a concave washer that acts like a clutch in the event you hit a stick or rock as not to damage the crankshaft. That is assuming you torque the bolt to proper specifications otherwise the blade will fall off. Why go through all that trouble to replace the cam gear when the owner of that Honda is running the mower WITHOUT an air filter? The blade stop function is pretty kool on that mower, but.....
Fixing a problem with another defective part. They should go back to the flat head like what Brigs had for decades. Had one and beat the thing pretty hard. Pulled it around my field behind my John Deere 212, & made it mow tall grass. Rly bogging it down.
@@michaelbenoit248 they don't want them to last 20 years, they want you always having to buy a new one and they make the parts and labor cost almost as much as a new one "IF you can get the parts" like he said in the video, it's all throw away now and not just mowers that's with EVERYTHING
My 91 honda 3013 rider still runs fine. Can see the cross hatching still in the bore. Was gonna rigid hone over bore it 10 thou but not even the force side of the piston etched out the cross hatching yet. So I'll wait. Best 160$ I ever spent. Basically a free GXV390 13hp at those prices. Even got a snow plow with it! Gotta watch all new things, even reliable brands. This is good to know if I see these push mowers cheap. Thanks!
Amazing. I just bought this exact mower yesterday. Serial number falls outside of the recall. Replaced my 25 y.o. Honda powered mower. It finally wouldn't start with starter fluid. The new one starts with a gentle pull. Mulches the grass and weeds to a fine powder.
I’ve got 2 of the Honda mowers with the half bucket. I’ve had great luck. I’ve only had carburetor issues years ago due to ethanol in the past. Now it’s only ethanol free with Sta-Bil so no more carburetor issues. I’ve always run them dry every fall. My brother used the E10 gas in my mom’s Honda snowblower and it was surging bad. Fixed that. My brother cheaps out.
Love this Video , i had one of these , first it was the clutch.. then it was the coil .. then the cam shaft .. The last thing i heard was it Screaming when it was going through that big steel SHREDDER , and thats my dinner.. See Ya
Love your videos Taryl. Really entertaining and educational to boot. You're likely one of the best small engine mechanics I've ever seen. Thank you again. 👍
you are so right about it being a disposable society. Thats what the government wants. I would rather work on the vintage stuff, they are built so much stronger.
It's not the government that wants this, it is WE who wants this. Most people shop for the lowest price and sacrifice quality doinng so. Quality products end up getting priced out of the market. Look at your big box stores. They shop for the cheapest stuff so they can advertise their "low prices." It has gotten to the point where the old quality manufactures have had their labor driven overseas. I wonder how much of this Japanese mower is built in China?
Boy, are you 180 out! Why blame the Government when it's the "bean counters" that DEMAND cheaper parts so you will be replacing products MORE often. It's called "planned obsolescence " and no, Joe Biden did NOT originate it. The concept started in the '50s under the EISENHOWER administration (Republican, btw). Everybody hates Government, UNTIL they need help. So, give me a f**king break!!!!!!
Um, its most certainly the corps that want things disposable. Then you need to spend big on a predictable schedule so they have almost guaranteed income for their shareholders.
Very good tutorial on assembly for this engine. TD did a nice careful job. I hope the owner can be bothered to keep a good air filter installed. No reason why this mower can't have many years of good service.
GCV160 and GCV190 engines are great. I would recommend sticking with those engines if you can help it. I'm starting to sound like my grandpa, but the older stuff is usually better, per reliability and repair. GREAT VIDEO TARYL!!! TELL SLIPPERS I SAID HI!!
I got a Troy built with the 160 engine no self propelled on it... Ran it for about 10h with the bag of oil and Honda HR synthetic since... I modified the cheap air filter to fit from a previous model... Starts and runs good no problems
GCs and GCVs are not meant to be worked on beyond slapping a carb or a coil on it. Anything internal and you are better off replacing it if it’s on your dime.
I own a Hardy RR & love it. And on plastic/Hendrix, plastic was considered "fake." Showing my age? 71yrs old 😂. Now, plastic valve covers on cars? Because they're lighter.🙄. I'll be installing a drive belt on my Hardy RR in a month or two & will be looking at your video on it! Thanks! 👍🖖
@@kev1227200141most American consumers will throw it away and never even find out there’s a recall unless they did register one way or another. I suspect a very low percentage (probably 5% is about right) of people would even consider having a repair done.
I bought a Honda Izzy yesterday which I haven’t used yet. I am quite surprised by your video which I have just watched. At first I thought this was an April 1st but am surprised that this seems to be true. Thanks. Apparently only applies to 21” model.
I had the same problem with the Honda GCV-190 engine on the Honda HRX-217. However, I purchased this mower almost 7 years ago from an eBay seller, not a dealer. I have no idea what to do about a recall. This engine has the plastic cam shaft and one exhaust valve is now bent and stuck in the closed positioned. I need some advice here.
My neighbor has a Craftsman lawn mower and nevered change the oil or added oil in the 15 years he owned it. He had finally had to buy one because the deck had a rust hole in it. It was blowing more grass out the hole then out the side. I like the toro mowers because they are light in weight. And I have my Toro AWD mower for 10 years with no problem yet. I keep my mower clean and wash it after every mow. I change the oil twice a season.
I have so many engines and parts I got to noticing around 1966 the old two and a half vertical shaft lawn mower engine as I call it move the carburetor to the other side with a long tube they've been that way ever since through the Flathead .. the older ones I have are carburetor right next to the exhaust like the horizontal shaft engines I guess it was moved for performance and heat dissipation Using the vacujet carburetor
Honda GCV160 on a troy bilt 240 mower. The governor sticks when starting but a gentle touch/push and it revs to what it should be. I've cleaned all of the linkage to no avail. Any suggestions?
I have an 80s Snapper Hi-Vac professional with a Wisconsin Robin engine. Great walk behind. Essentially built to last forever. I wish they still made stuff like that.
Man, I need a new push mower mainly for trimming my ditches, what's a good one to look for that has a solid and long lasting motor? I prefer to skip over the plastic engine parts models, lol.
Those 170's/200's are more of a pian in the ars to work on than the 160's/190's! I haven't seen the inside of the newer Hondas, but now i have 😮 Thanks Taryl 👍🏼
Ive had mowers in the past jerk pull cord from my hand due to a timing issue because someone ran over something and the blade hit it and just tweeked the flywheel key enough to through timing off but not enough so it wouldnt fire! Hurt like a "you know what"! Yeah, like that!😢
I had one of these junk Honda mowers. By far the worst piece of outdoor equipment I’ve owned. I thought by buying a Honda Mower with a Honda Motor, what could go wrong? I had nothing but issues. Wish I had my old Craftsman back. Long story short I bought a Toro and so much happier. Cuts twice as nice twice as fast with no mechanical issues in 4 seasons now.
Great job, i always enjoy your time showing us how to fix things the proper way W/a flair, can a suction cup tool pull that valve cover off, & can you make gaskets for that engine
Great video! I bought two of these for cheap, one has a slightly bent crankshaft - didn't realize it would be $155 to $225 to replace! Ridiculous, that's more than I paid for both mowers. Anyone know where to find a used or less expensive crank for these? :)
Nice Honda mower - hate to see a lawn mower running without the air filter. In the case of this particular mower, the recall probably saved what was left of this mower's life. The longer that mower ran without the air filter, the shorter that mower's lifespan. The recall allowed a dialogue to occur between the mower shop and the owner to let the owner know about the importance of the air filter being in place and maybe even routine maintenance in general.
I have an HRX217 pro Honda. I noticed how black the oil was that you drained and that which was in the valve cover. I change mine yearly and it looks just like it did when I put it in fresh. I guess leaving the air filter out did that. I do new oil, air filter, plug each year. It's a wonderful mower. Will continue to take good care of it.
That disassembly honestly doesn't seem that bad, I've taken apart a lot of old engines and I still enjoy doing so and I do not like new engines but there's been times when I've wished you could just change a cylinder and keep a block or vice versa to save something.
Thank you for this information. Got here because I had this problem on a mower that is less than a year old. Busted up my finger pretty good today trying to start it...will be looking for an authorized repairman tomorrow.
My brother's had his gcv170 for a few years without problems. My dad's gcv160 been going strong for almost 20 years. I don't have a yard or lawn mower. 🤷♂
Those Hrx217 unit are garbage . in addition to this problem with the motor there are other problems as well . ive had three units through my place here for this problem . the Plastic front ends get broken easily (cheap plastic crap) I was able to patch one but had to replace two others . also the retaining screws for the front end are subject to failure ( the pem nuts strip out inside the plastic making it super hard to remove the retaining screws ) like I said piece-o-chito .
Dude where have you been? I went through three of these last year starting in April of 2023. In addition after the camshaft was replaced, the engine failed and needed complete replacement and the tranny failed. All on a HRX217HZA with less than a year of residential use. Finally a year later it runs like a champ, but essentially a brand new engine and transmission so effectively a new mower!!
Although the Kohler engine uses platic cams at least they put them on top! I honestly don't have a problem with plastic but radiators, manifolds, and cams. Come on, that's taking it way too far. Another funny thing I just thought of is the one-piece jug/head assembly. It's 2024 and that kind of engine construction was popular in the early 1900's to about 1920. Wtf?
Im thinking the crankshaft threads got messed up with the hammer this time.. Ive done that.. Could tell when the nut wouldnt come off as easy as it went on... all good though.. With no air filter like he said it wont last long
Thanks Taryl, you da man! Did my first one today after watching your video last night. 3.5 hrs, no blade clutch , went pretty smooth except for glue & patch time, them castings are way sharp! Beware!
I bought an HRR216 in early 2020 and it's been a flawless experience except for the weird in tank/hose screen that was restricting flow after about 3 years. I do change the air filter every year and oil every other year. It uses very little fuel compared to my Breaks and Scrapem mower. Perfect for small yards. It looks like they went down hill after 2020 and were never cheap for a walk behind mower.
I have a Toro personal pace that I’ve had for 12 years then I decided to buy a Honda because all the hype about them personally the Toro personal pace is just as good as just as the Honda for half the price.
@@timkalal6983 When i was working at a JD dealership as a machanic they were also a Honda dealer this problem started almost 2 yrs ago with Honda mowers the over priced mowers were coming in left and right not just for a camshaft problems but for other issues that $ 900 mower and that's the real price BTW if you don't keep underneath the mower clean after every use the self propelled would not work until you cleaned underneath the and mowing wet grass was a Huge NO NO
@@WJCTechyman Two different lines of Toros with Personal Pace - Super Recyclers with the cast deck and Recyclers with the stamped steel deck. If you invest in the top of the line Super Recycler, it will rival any top of the line Honda for cut quality and price. I have a 2008 Super Recycler with Personal Pace and a Quantum Briggs and have never had any issues with the Personal Pace - still running the original slip belt. The top of the line Hondas use a hydrostatic transmission. Personal Pace is a much simpler system than a hydrostatic transmission.
Thumbs up, great video,would let it sit for at least a day, let all that sealer set up, I thought it was a good idea to start a mower fixing shop in 2005,been a great hobby at best,fix a lot of honda, product along with a load of briggs, and kohler, each have their good and poor points, Taryle for President, He says it without the sugar coating
I just got mine back from this fix. Actually, mine wasn't acting up either, but it will be interesting to see what they did. "Still lovin on that Honda?" Given the choice between this and either a Briggs & Scrapiron, or Pot-metal Special Tecumseh...YES! (My #1 choice would be the Kawasucki with its pressurized oil filtration, but those are $$$$$)
3 months later my Honda mower engine is "eating itself." LOTs of smoke, and high oil consumption. The oil is gray colored which tells me the engine is "making metal."
I almost bought one last year and decided to go with an Ego instead. I was told that Honda are finishing with gas mowers and moving to electric. I still have my Husqvarna HU800AWD(Honda Engine) and that thing has never had an issue not even so much as a belt. It’s clear even Honda are cheaping out on parts just like their blower redesign since 2012 are nowhere near the quality of their older blowers.
Hard to believe someone would run a lawn mower without a filter. Lawn mowers work in extremely dirty conditions. Like Taryl said, the engine in that Honda walk behind will be short lived due to the owner not replacing the old filter with a new one. This particular owner should own an electric mower. Electric mowers are perfect for people who don't like to maintain their outdoor power equipment. I for one, enjoy maintaining my outdoor power equipment along with all my vehicles. No electric for me. By the way, the rechargeable batteries used are a recyclable nightmare. Not to mention China is the one profiting from all the batteries being made and sold worldwide. GM and Ford lost big time trying to appease a corrupt government's push to go electric. Vote wisely in November, the life of our nation and our freedom is in the balance. Like Taryl said, and I totally agree, rechargeable batteries are the enemy. Great video Taryl really enjoyed it.
If you think Honda lawn mower owners are annoying, you should see the motorcycle owners. Honda went 20+ years without making a decent woods motorcycle or dual sport bike. While others made them well under 250 lbs theirs were stuck at well over 300-350 lbs for 20+ years. "Oh but they're so reliable". Yeah I've had them all. Zero difference other than a ton of weight.
@@FishFind3000 *Their. While others are 238. The RX450 is a pretty decent bike. I've ridden that. The XRL is under-powered and heavy still. 250 and 300 are still over 300 lbs.
I first encountered "this page intentionally left blank" in old IBM technical manuals in the 60's. In IBM's case, it was largely so that each chapter or major section of a manual showed up on the right hand side when the manual is laid out flat. In other words, if a chapter had an odd number of pages, they'd add one to make the number even so that the next chapter started on the right side. It certainly made a lot of sense if the manual was intended for three ring binders, and each chapter could be completely separated from any other, and could be detached if wanted. The disclaimer would be so that no-one thought they had a misprinted manual.
@@1924ab it takes a good 3.5 hours that is removing the clutch completely. The repair kit from honda comes with the gaskets for the carberetter and the top and bottom seals for the crankshaft
Agree with you regarding lawn equipment and appliances. Since January I've fixed my washer, dryer (both 10 years old) and my riding mower (20 years old). All of this is possible because of RUclips channels like yours !!!!!
Absolutely! Same here. Fixed my washer and two refrigerators with YT vids PLUS I fixed my broken governor in my B&S engine and a Tufftorq transmission both with Taryl's videos. Transmission cost $7.00 seal, governor cost $27.00, washer cost $10.95, one refrigerator cost $32.00, the other cost $19.00. All of them would have gone to the junkyard otherwise. Taryl has saved me a boatload! Imagine the cost of one new riding mower, one new washer, two new refrigerators! Bunch of $$ I tell ya! Oh, forgot engine crankcase gasket cost $23.00.
I'm a line mechanic at a Honda power equipment dealer. I've personally replaced between 50 and 100 of these. I spent the whole month of February 2024 doing nothing but this. After that much practice, I can do it in an hour and a half.
I got pretty good at putting stators in 1200 Gold wings over 30 years ago, after the first half dozen I could do it in the 6 hours Honda would pay for. You had to drop the engine...
@@Dukerdr HONDA CX500 1982,dropped engine many time, ceramic seel. Put engine plate in oven to exspand it for seel,wife not amused 25 years, divorced her but still have bike.
@graemehutchison5696 i love that story
I won’t say the name, but a big company replaced mine and they destroyed my engine and gave me a piece of shit mower and replacement
What is the difference between the old plastic cam and the new plastic cam?
Honestly, where else are you going to get information and instruction like this!?👍
You are correct 👏
And there's your dinner
@@machinesnmetalYeah she had this story 5 months ago, although she didn't do the engine teardown.
I've known about this for 6 months so he is a little late to the game
But how many other people showed you how too fix it correctly? That’s why I watch Tayral because he’s an honest no nonsense guy that shows people the right way too do the repair it really doesn’t matter if it’s a bit late time wise, because he’s in business and a customer brang one in too have repaired that’s why he did it! Thanks taryl
We get a lot of those models in the scrap yard. In fact, I have a couple here myself that I haven't got into yet. That is probably the problem. Glad you made this video for this problem. That's awesome. Thanks bud!
Hey taryl what works for me on that valve cover is I heat it up around the sealing surface with a torch and just about 90% of the time I get it off without bending
GOOD idea!
I've got two HR215 Master mowers with the GX160 engines. Great mowers, hydrostatic transmissions that are shaft driven and solid clutch system for the blade. Made around 1992 both are going strong and start on the first pull. You're right about the newer stuff I would trade my 30 year old mowers for a brand new one made by anybody. Thanks for your videos, I always get a chuckle or two.
I have a Honda HS55 snow thrower from 1980. The internal parts and carburetor are the original. When I pull it out of storage in the Fall, it ALWAYS starts on the first or second pull. Good thing because it DOES NOT have electric start!
The GX are great engines
"THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK", part of the reason is on some documents the print is on the front and back of the sheet. By leaving a blank page the continuity of thought is maintained by keeping the beginning of important information sections from starting on the back of a sheet. If the sheet is printed on one side only then most likely the same thought process is in play but all sheets of the notice are only printed on one side. Also, the blank sheet serves to separate the "Legal Speak" from the rest of the document/bulletin.
Morning Taryl and Mr. Camera Man
I just commented above that blank page area came from not only early industries that used products but the military. it was an inclusive page of exactly what you state. Service record and note sheet. Exactly that. I am surprised to still see it still exists. I just bought a firearm same thing had 2 pages with neat little lines for info and like 4 blank pages. You are exactly correct.
None of this is correct. Its because of how its printed on newspaper rolling dies & the Honda's logo being a separately owned copyrighted die from the company that owns the industrial printing press. Switching the dies from Logo to Content Text causes the space. Sometimes the die with the logo is large diameter so the "this page was left blank" is all on the same rolling die. - Detroit.
@@andrewchristiansen8311 I read that & ended up with coffee and cookie material in my lap
@@andrewchristiansen8311 Huh? It seems extremely unlikely that Honda desinged these recall papers to be printed on some weird newspaper press. Most likely they just send a pdf and have any shop print it out themselves if they need it. It wouldn't make any sense to include them with every single replacement part.
@@Catrik Then why do you have to adjust the valves on a 2024 honda like its 1952? Because of exactly wtf I said. Yes the rolling dies between Hondas logo and the content have an in between die that leaves the page blank. I live in Detroit and have seen this a lot. Not my fault you live in a consumer state and know nothing. You sound like the type to drink tea and eat cookies. I just had a cheeseburger & a beer.
So I bought a brand new Honda mower last spring and sure enough it was defective. Just had it fixed by the local mower shop. I swear I almost ripped my arm off, It was really bad. They fixed it for free.
I had hurt myself good like that on a Subaru engine on a log splitter a guy brought here. I mean I woulda figured it out if thee idiot just told me it was hard to pull the cord start. But ya know like most imbiciles he just says it doesn't start. That usually means carb or coil to a guy like me. I mean if he woulda said me it is tough to pull I wouldn't have spent the rest of the summer in pain. I never did go to the doc like I should have and to this day when I have to pull something I feel that yet to this day.
I know, I know, not fun tugging on a mower engine starter rope that 'kicks back', but come on guys.....really, have we gotten so weak and SOFT and sissy that something so incredibly minor would land us all in the E.R. ??????
@@santaclause2875 no not really, but the snap-back on it is crazy! I grew playing hockey got hit so hard once I thought I went into another dimension and broke 5 ribs. I can handle pain but it’s kind of inconvenience when you pay for something that was over 1200.00 dollars and it dosent work correctly.
Yep, I don't care how big and strong you are, if you give it a hard pull on a defective cam, you're gonna hurt yourself.
@@HemiRod23 LMFAO!!! According to my old lady I must have a defective CAM then!!!!! I'm well outta warranty!!!!
@Taryl ... Love your videos, but have to say I'm totally "Blown away" with the way the industry has gone !! Plastic cams, No gaskets. wow .... 50 yrs a motorcycle mechanic, but never imagined this !!
Briggs been doing this for years
@@Guns_N_Gears ??? No plastic in my Briggs engines
Is there anything not made like a piece of crap that is still buyable for a push mower?
@Vultain There are a few commercial models by Toro that are still built old school for the most part.
Plastic Transmision all makes and models had them and plastic cam shafts have been around for many years
30:40 "... still loving on them , smooching on them?" Bro , I died
Taryl, thanks for showing us, but homeowners won't be able to do this repair. They don't even to know how to put an air filter in!
I make good side $$$ on homeowners who don't know how to put air filters in and do simple maintenance. Most homeowners don't have common sense either. Most small engine problems are linked to use and abuse of the owner. If they'd use just a little common sense..................js
I saw a bug on ur glove. 😂
This homeowner could but I’m not your average homeowner. I’ve been working on small engines since I was 9 or 10 (43 now). My mower had this work done prior to me purchasing it, though it will be going to the dealer for warranty as the valve cover is leaking oil.
My old mower has an Intek that Taryl mentioned are not good. Never had a major issue with it. Service the carb once and adjusted the valves a few times. Other than that changing the oil every season and new spark plug and air filter every couple seasons.
I’m going to be buying the service manual from Honda for my mower for future reference.
I can understand Tarly’s frustration with plastic parts as poorly engineered parts can create many problems, but even the best engineered parts don’t stand a chance against poor production practices or workmanship. I doubt Honda will say what exactly happened but it could’ve been a production flaw that wasn’t caught until the units were in the field. At least they’ve owned up to it and are fixing it.
Thanks Tarryl, I'm in the UK I've got HRN 536 registered with Honda but haven't had a recall notice but the engine number falls within their spec so I'll be making enquiries with our local dealer on Monday.
I work for a Hayter/Toro/Stiga dealer and they sell machines with these engines. We haven't seen any recalls yet. But someone else in the comments from a Honda dealer responded to a comment I made saying Honda have done a recall on their machinery engines.
We’ve been doing a lot of these at work. Easiest just to remove clutch assembly. Most the time I just take the engine off the deck so I have more bench room. To each their own, love the videos watch them all.
the blank pages at the back of a repair manual is for helpful notes on repair tricks you learned on a specific job you rarely do so you don't have to remember for next time. at least that's what the old mechanic on my first job in a garage in my teens told me to use them for. all of his shop manuals were full of notes about tricks to save time on jobs. we got paid out of the time book, so if you beat the time, you're in the money.
Old guys are/were smart, I was lucky to have them a 100 years ago now.
Now, I'm the old guy. Kid I was showing how/what/when took pictures on his phone.
Phone crashed.
I took my books out of the bottom of the tool box, I said,
"hand written notes don't crash!"
He said, "I'll be right back, had a clipboard, paper and pen. Then, "tell me the tricks again?
I did walk him thru the repair again, as I ate the dozen donuts he got me. 🍩☕
I thank all the ole guys every day that helped me when I knew everything!
I loved my little Honda snow blower back in the 80's!! That thing ran and ran! And boy could it throw snow.
Was it a HS55 by any chance? I have a used 1980 HS55 that I bought about 4yrs ago, starts on the first or second pull, every Winter!
Thanks for the video. I would not have know there was a recall. Fortunately my mower was not affected.
I have a Mountfield with this engine here in the UK - thanks for the heads up - 1 yr's professional level use- checked the serial number and my UK model isn't on the list - cheers
Another recall Is Husqvarna trimmers. The 130C and another trimmer is on a recall for a fire hazard due to incorrect wiring on the magneto. It’s on Husqvarnas website as well.
Boy, I would sure HATE to have a "Kia moment" while I'm trimming the weeds! LOL
Never a end to the junk equipment now 😢😢😮
I’m still laughing about the all plastic camshaft, just pure garbage
Honda is history 😢
You sure made this recall-repair look easy, easy money for your shop! I'll be looking for these Honda lawn mowers at the Portland, IN, swap meet this spring and elsewhere for cheap, and then I'll bring them to your shop for this easy fix! BTW, have you tried to see if your "tube gripper" would work on your toothpaste tube?
LOL...proceeds to say there are shop that are doing this and not blowing off the bolts before they put them back in and then finds he had the wrong bolts, finds the right ones and then DOESN'T blow them off 45:39 ...gotta love it
it is a dirt infested carb and sad to see that, but your right he did not blow off the 2 fasteners but they were clean so no need to, and it is not a gas turbine engine, so no worries here,..
I learned my trade at a Honda Power Equipment dealership back in the 90’s. Back then, Honda was exclusively a premium product. When the GCV engines came out, and they started substituting them for GX series engines on some applications, we were all profoundly disappointed. It was a huge step backwards in quality. Looking back, I can now say that this was the beginning of Honda’s decline in the U.S. market. They went from making a full line of superb power equipment in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s - Lawn tractors, diesel tractors, tillers, generators, water pumps, mowers, string trimmers, and utility engines for countless construction equipment dealers, to now being barely present in the market. They also used to sell power equipment only through servicing dealers, which meant that you could be guaranteed that the people who sold you the device were factory trained to work on it. Now, you can buy Honda at every Home Depot and farm store that wants to sell it, with no after sales service provided. When Honda did this, it completely sabotaged the servicing dealers in legacy shops - Small privately owned dealerships could never compete with the buying power of a Home Depot - so the service network was completely destroyed by this fundamental change in Honda’s marketing strategy. Honda’s latest, and last mower offering is a sad end to what was once a great product line. Honda Power Equipment - going out with a whimper.
Yes, Honda double bogeyed on the 18th hole to destroy a great round. My local dealer just closed, they truly screwed their dealers who were faithful to them. Now we have throwaway technology and you can bet the battery powered will be crap. If you have even a remotely sizable lawn forget about electric because in a couple seasons the battery will last about half the time it used to and the batteries cost about as much as the mower. Been there with the ego.
I agree Honda went to crap with the gcv junk but the all plastic camshaft just ended the Honda name 😢😢
That’s because Americans are always chasing the cheapest most inexpensive products. Honda was just giving them what they wanted. Why do you think everything is made in China. Cause Americans like their stuff to be cheap. Inexpensive. It’s your own damn fault
Riding that reputation and name all the way to the bottom. Like so many other once great brands.
What mower should I go with under $1000 these days?
That's interesting that you say that - I have a 2007 B&S 6.5 HP Intek engine on my walk behind self-propelled mower. Bought it new in August 2002 & by August 2024 it will be 22 years old. I get about 14.42 hours of use per summer on that mower. It is now up to 317.34 hours.
Bought a brand-new B&S engine that has a plastic cam gear in it that apparently explodes after a few years of service. Bought it for that sole reason & calculating the runtime hours to see how long it will run till it explodes. That engine is up to 42.6 hours of runtime, and it will be the four summer this year.
I still have my parents 1986 Murray push mower with a 3.5 HP B&S Quantum flathead engine. That mower exceeds 400 hours (hour meter quit years ago) & still runs well. Smokes a little at start-up. Runs full speed and sputters at idle. The pull rope starter is also messed up & I haven't been able to find a replacement. The blower house was design to be easily taken apart by the owner for easy cleaning of the cooling fins. The blade is held on with one bolt and a concave washer that acts like a clutch in the event you hit a stick or rock as not to damage the crankshaft. That is assuming you torque the bolt to proper specifications otherwise the blade will fall off.
Why go through all that trouble to replace the cam gear when the owner of that Honda is running the mower WITHOUT an air filter?
The blade stop function is pretty kool on that mower, but.....
1:50 "plastic camshaft"
well there's your problem!
Fixing a problem with another defective part. They should go back to the flat head like what Brigs had for decades. Had one and beat the thing pretty hard. Pulled it around my field behind my John Deere 212, & made it mow tall grass. Rly bogging it down.
@@michaelbenoit248 they don't want them to last 20 years, they want you always having to buy a new one and they make the parts and labor cost almost as much as a new one "IF you can get the parts" like he said in the video, it's all throw away now and not just mowers that's with EVERYTHING
@@TheSimba86 unless you're talking about the Honda HRC 216. Which uses a metal camshaft.
@@michaelbenoit248they wouldn't have to go to the flathead design. Just use all metal internal parts.
This is precisely why everything I own is old, they were built better.
My 91 honda 3013 rider still runs fine. Can see the cross hatching still in the bore. Was gonna rigid hone over bore it 10 thou but not even the force side of the piston etched out the cross hatching yet. So I'll wait. Best 160$ I ever spent. Basically a free GXV390 13hp at those prices. Even got a snow plow with it! Gotta watch all new things, even reliable brands. This is good to know if I see these push mowers cheap. Thanks!
Thanks terryl for the latest info! Your videos have entertained us tremendously 😅hope all is good, keep sending the good stuff! 👍🏼
Amazing. I just bought this exact mower yesterday. Serial number falls outside of the recall. Replaced my 25 y.o. Honda powered mower. It finally wouldn't start with starter fluid.
The new one starts with a gentle pull. Mulches the grass and weeds to a fine powder.
The old one just plumb wore out?
Compression test?
Valves set properly?
The tube gripper worked great when I had to take the cam chain cover off to change the water pump on my 08 Taurus. Thanks Ford.
I’ve got 2 of the Honda mowers with the half bucket. I’ve had great luck. I’ve only had carburetor issues years ago due to ethanol in the past. Now it’s only ethanol free with Sta-Bil so no more carburetor issues. I’ve always run them dry every fall.
My brother used the E10 gas in my mom’s Honda snowblower and it was surging bad. Fixed that. My brother cheaps out.
Love this Video , i had one of these , first it was the clutch.. then it was the coil .. then the cam shaft .. The last thing i heard was it Screaming when it was going through that big steel SHREDDER , and thats my dinner.. See Ya
Love your videos Taryl. Really entertaining and educational to boot. You're likely one of the best small engine mechanics I've ever seen. Thank you again. 👍
you are so right about it being a disposable society. Thats what the government wants. I would rather work on the vintage stuff, they are built so much stronger.
why does the government want this, where are your facts to prove this
@@kb9ndb think about it
It's not the government that wants this, it is WE who wants this. Most people shop for the lowest price and sacrifice quality doinng so. Quality products end up getting priced out of the market. Look at your big box stores. They shop for the cheapest stuff so they can advertise their "low prices." It has gotten to the point where the old quality manufactures have had their labor driven overseas. I wonder how much of this Japanese mower is built in China?
Boy, are you 180 out! Why blame the Government when it's the "bean counters" that DEMAND cheaper parts so you will be replacing products MORE often. It's called "planned obsolescence " and no, Joe Biden did NOT originate it. The concept started in the '50s under the EISENHOWER administration (Republican, btw). Everybody hates Government, UNTIL they need help. So, give me a f**king break!!!!!!
Um, its most certainly the corps that want things disposable. Then you need to spend big on a predictable schedule so they have almost guaranteed income for their shareholders.
Very good tutorial on assembly for this engine. TD did a nice careful job. I hope the owner can be bothered to keep a good air filter installed. No reason why this mower can't have many years of good service.
Are you high? That pile of scrap metal and plastic won't make it 5 years . its the total absolute beare min way to build something that runs.
I guess I know what I'm doing in the near future. Thanks for showing us Taryl.
WOW ! This is the exact mower I have . You must have ESPN because you read my mind ! I didn't know anything about this so thank you .
ESPN or ESP? Don't really care for TV sports...
GCV160 and GCV190 engines are great. I would recommend sticking with those engines if you can help it. I'm starting to sound like my grandpa, but the older stuff is usually better, per reliability and repair.
GREAT VIDEO TARYL!!! TELL SLIPPERS I SAID HI!!
They are OK. Not nearly as good as GX series. Older GC series known for broken rocker arms
What I dont like is undoing the starter nut and that makes the whole ignition coil stud out.
I got a Troy built with the 160 engine no self propelled on it... Ran it for about 10h with the bag of oil and Honda HR synthetic since... I modified the cheap air filter to fit from a previous model... Starts and runs good no problems
Except the way they put the carb assembly on!
GCs and GCVs are not meant to be worked on beyond slapping a carb or a coil on it. Anything internal and you are better off replacing it if it’s on your dime.
I own a Hardy RR & love it. And on plastic/Hendrix, plastic was considered "fake." Showing my age? 71yrs old 😂. Now, plastic valve covers on cars? Because they're lighter.🙄. I'll be installing a drive belt on my Hardy RR in a month or two & will be looking at your video on it! Thanks! 👍🖖
Probably only 5% will ever participate in the recall.
I've already changed over 30 cams our shop.
@@rogersmith9506 Looks like a real PITA. Any tips for Taryl?
they have to do the recall. cause if not its just a boat anchor cause it will not start.
@@kev1227200141isnt it getting stuck OFF?
@@kev1227200141most American consumers will throw it away and never even find out there’s a recall unless they did register one way or another. I suspect a very low percentage (probably 5% is about right) of people would even consider having a repair done.
I bought a Honda Izzy yesterday which I haven’t used yet. I am quite surprised by your video which I have just watched.
At first I thought this was an April 1st but am surprised that this seems to be true.
Thanks.
Apparently only applies to 21” model.
Was the replacement cam improved in some way. I couldn't see any difference.
I had the same problem with the Honda GCV-190 engine on the Honda HRX-217. However, I purchased this mower almost 7 years ago from an eBay seller, not a dealer. I have no idea what to do about a recall. This engine has the plastic cam shaft and one exhaust valve is now bent and stuck in the closed positioned. I need some advice here.
My neighbor has a Craftsman lawn mower and nevered change the oil or added oil in the 15 years he owned it. He had finally had to buy one because the deck had a rust hole in it. It was blowing more grass out the hole then out the side. I like the toro mowers because they are light in weight. And I have my Toro AWD mower for 10 years with no problem yet. I keep my mower clean and wash it after every mow. I change the oil twice a season.
Makes you wonder why you bother with all that maintenance sometimes!
😂
By that, with clean oil in it,the engine should last 200 years
I have so many engines and parts I got to noticing around 1966 the old two and a half vertical shaft lawn mower engine as I call it move the carburetor to the other side with a long tube they've been that way ever since through the Flathead
.. the older ones I have are carburetor right next to the exhaust like the horizontal shaft engines I guess it was moved for performance and heat dissipation
Using the vacujet carburetor
And for power I still use a flat head around a 1990 I think 6 1/2 horse that's still a good reliable engine for me
That I have picked up free
I don't like the way that engines made either
Honda GCV160 on a troy bilt 240 mower. The governor sticks when starting but a gentle touch/push and it revs to what it should be. I've cleaned all of the linkage to no avail. Any suggestions?
The "Intensionally Left Blank" page is there for the next recall failure on plastic parts.
I have an 80s Snapper Hi-Vac professional with a Wisconsin Robin engine. Great walk behind. Essentially built to last forever. I wish they still made stuff like that.
you sure make it look easy.. you the man !
Man, I need a new push mower mainly for trimming my ditches, what's a good one to look for that has a solid and long lasting motor? I prefer to skip over the plastic engine parts models, lol.
They say that George Washington had wooden teeth, maybe he needed plastic ones!
Those 170's/200's are more of a pian in the ars to work on than the 160's/190's!
I haven't seen the inside of the newer Hondas, but now i have 😮 Thanks Taryl 👍🏼
Thank you for sharing.👍
Ive had mowers in the past jerk pull cord from my hand due to a timing issue because someone ran over something and the blade hit it and just tweeked the flywheel key enough to through timing off but not enough so it wouldnt fire! Hurt like a "you know what"! Yeah, like that!😢
I had one of these junk Honda mowers. By far the worst piece of outdoor equipment I’ve owned. I thought by buying a Honda Mower with a Honda Motor, what could go wrong? I had nothing but issues. Wish I had my old Craftsman back. Long story short I bought a Toro and so much happier. Cuts twice as nice twice as fast with no mechanical issues in 4 seasons now.
Great job, i always enjoy your time showing us how to fix things the proper way W/a flair, can a suction cup tool pull that valve cover off, & can you make gaskets for that engine
Another great video full of valuable information 👍 😊
What about Tillotson replacement vertical shaft engines? Are they any better?
Thanks Timmy. 🙂
Great video! I bought two of these for cheap, one has a slightly bent crankshaft - didn't realize it would be $155 to $225 to replace! Ridiculous, that's more than I paid for both mowers. Anyone know where to find a used or less expensive crank for these? :)
Check with nearby repair shops' graveyards?
Nice Honda mower - hate to see a lawn mower running without the air filter. In the case of this particular mower, the recall probably saved what was left of this mower's life. The longer that mower ran without the air filter, the shorter that mower's lifespan. The recall allowed a dialogue to occur between the mower shop and the owner to let the owner know about the importance of the air filter being in place and maybe even routine maintenance in general.
Exactly. I noticed how filthy that oil was, too, that Taryl drained out. Probably seldom gets changed.
Do you think the "owner" really gives a s**t about maintenance?
I have an HRX217 pro Honda. I noticed how black the oil was that you drained and that which was in the valve cover. I change mine yearly and it looks just like it did when I put it in fresh. I guess leaving the air filter out did that. I do new oil, air filter, plug each year. It's a wonderful mower. Will continue to take good care of it.
That disassembly honestly doesn't seem that bad, I've taken apart a lot of old engines and I still enjoy doing so and I do not like new engines but there's been times when I've wished you could just change a cylinder and keep a block or vice versa to save something.
Thank you for this information. Got here because I had this problem on a mower that is less than a year old. Busted up my finger pretty good today trying to start it...will be looking for an authorized repairman tomorrow.
That tube gripper is great for teethpaste to maintain that CoalGate smile.😬
Is it teeff-paste or tooff-paste ????
Depends on how many ya got. 😁@@santaclause2875
I like "Ipana" better
Tayrl,I bought my last Honda push mower in 2020. Is my engine camshaft the same as these recalls you mention?🤔
Why don't you check your serial number against the bulletin you can just Google online?
Good morning from North Dakota
My brother's had his gcv170 for a few years without problems. My dad's gcv160 been going strong for almost 20 years. I don't have a yard or lawn mower. 🤷♂
Those Hrx217 unit are garbage . in addition to this problem with the motor there are other problems as well . ive had three units through my place here for this problem . the Plastic front ends get broken easily (cheap plastic crap) I was able to patch one but had to replace two others . also the retaining screws for the front end are subject to failure ( the pem nuts strip out inside the plastic making it super hard to remove the retaining screws ) like I said piece-o-chito .
Dude where have you been? I went through three of these last year starting in April of 2023. In addition after the camshaft was replaced, the engine failed and needed complete replacement and the tranny failed. All on a HRX217HZA with less than a year of residential use. Finally a year later it runs like a champ, but essentially a brand new engine and transmission so effectively a new mower!!
I'm a mower mechanic but I don't do warranties. I'll never do this. But thanks for the information in case I run across one I'll let them know
I stopped doing warranty work last year because there all junk 😢😢😢
Does the fan blow air over the engine or suck? It looks backwards.
Although the Kohler engine uses platic cams at least they put them on top! I honestly don't have a problem with plastic but radiators, manifolds, and cams. Come on, that's taking it way too far. Another funny thing I just thought of is the one-piece jug/head assembly. It's 2024 and that kind of engine construction was popular in the early 1900's to about 1920. Wtf?
Whats a good mower for home use that will last for years
The plastic gear isn't the problem. Its the METAL mechanism.
No, the problem is Honda got a cheaper supplier that didn’t provide for post plastic casting tolerances and the plastic drags on the mechanism
Those don't split like the previous GCV/GSV engines. The aluminum cast rocker cover from GSV engines is a nice replacement.
Good morning Teryl and gang.
Im thinking the crankshaft threads got messed up with the hammer this time.. Ive done that.. Could tell when the nut wouldnt come off as easy as it went on... all good though.. With no air filter like he said it wont last long
Would have been nice to see the bad cam next to the new cam! An hour video and you don’t show the problem?
Thanks Taryl, you da man! Did my first one today after watching your video last night. 3.5 hrs, no blade clutch , went pretty smooth except for glue & patch time, them castings are way sharp! Beware!
It's nice to see someone else use Folger's coffee cans for utility purposes.
my favorite coffee, only coffee that comes in a metal can.
@@airplanegeorge And, it's "Mountain Grown". Mrs. Olson R.I.P.
I bought an HRR216 in early 2020 and it's been a flawless experience except for the weird in tank/hose screen that was restricting flow after about 3 years.
I do change the air filter every year and oil every other year. It uses very little fuel compared to my Breaks and Scrapem mower. Perfect for small yards.
It looks like they went down hill after 2020 and were never cheap for a walk behind mower.
I have a Toro personal pace that I’ve had for 12 years then I decided to buy a Honda because all the hype about them personally the Toro personal pace is just as good as just as the Honda for half the price.
@@timkalal6983 When i was working at a JD dealership as a machanic they were also a Honda dealer this problem started almost 2 yrs ago with Honda mowers the over priced mowers were coming in left and right not just for a camshaft problems but for other issues that $ 900 mower and that's the real price BTW if you don't keep underneath the mower clean after every use the self propelled would not work until you cleaned underneath the and mowing wet grass was a Huge NO NO
@@WJCTechyman Two different lines of Toros with Personal Pace - Super Recyclers with the cast deck and Recyclers with the stamped steel deck. If you invest in the top of the line Super Recycler, it will rival any top of the line Honda for cut quality and price. I have a 2008 Super Recycler with Personal Pace and a Quantum Briggs and have never had any issues with the Personal Pace - still running the original slip belt. The top of the line Hondas use a hydrostatic transmission. Personal Pace is a much simpler system than a hydrostatic transmission.
What did we do before compression relief?
We tugged mightily like a 14 year old schoolboy.......
I Don't See any SHAFT in That CAM😵
Thumbs up, great video,would let it sit for at least a day, let all that sealer set up, I thought it was a good idea to start a mower fixing shop in 2005,been a great hobby at best,fix a lot of honda, product along with a load of briggs, and kohler, each have their good and poor points, Taryle for President, He says it without the sugar coating
I just got mine back from this fix. Actually, mine wasn't acting up either, but it will be interesting to see what they did. "Still lovin on that Honda?" Given the choice between this and either a Briggs & Scrapiron, or Pot-metal Special Tecumseh...YES! (My #1 choice would be the Kawasucki with its pressurized oil filtration, but those are $$$$$)
3 months later my Honda mower engine is "eating itself." LOTs of smoke, and high oil consumption. The oil is gray colored which tells me the engine is "making metal."
Thanks for the videos, so what was the real repair time.
they should have spent an extra million dollars on a camshaft that just works!! instead of 10 million in the dumpster
Thanks for the information bud. You can fix anything. Great video as usual.
Looks like a four hour job
Hello teral I have a snapper tractor how do you change out the old school drive pully so it will go into reverse or forward
I almost bought one last year and decided to go with an Ego instead. I was told that Honda are finishing with gas mowers and moving to electric. I still have my Husqvarna HU800AWD(Honda Engine) and that thing has never had an issue not even so much as a belt. It’s clear even Honda are cheaping out on parts just like their blower redesign since 2012 are nowhere near the quality of their older blowers.
That ego you got has no replaceable parts. Nothing but a throw away. PS don't hit anything with the blade, the mower would be trash.
This may be a stupid question. Buy why cant engine mfg's put a push button pressure release like on a large chain saw?
Your a southpaw huh? Welcome to the club.
left it blank so you can rite down oil changes and when bying parts?
BTW, the grey honda gasket maker is called "HondaBond"
It work's great, just kinda tricky to apply.
Hondabond, Yamabond, Threebond is all the same stuff. It's what I use, but it's not cheap stuff
@@rozco1978 Sometimes when some people visit me I wouldn't mind if something like "Mouthbond" was expensive but available 😉
I am resealing oil sump on old Briggs opposed twin. Do you recommend putting anything on bolts before torque ?
Hard to believe someone would run a lawn mower without a filter. Lawn mowers work in extremely dirty conditions. Like Taryl said, the engine in that Honda walk behind will be short lived due to the owner not replacing the old filter with a new one. This particular owner should own an electric mower. Electric mowers are perfect for people who don't like to maintain their outdoor power equipment. I for one, enjoy maintaining my outdoor power equipment along with all my vehicles. No electric for me. By the way, the rechargeable batteries used are a recyclable nightmare. Not to mention China is the one profiting from all the batteries being made and sold worldwide. GM and Ford lost big time trying to appease a corrupt government's push to go electric. Vote wisely in November, the life of our nation and our freedom is in the balance. Like Taryl said, and I totally agree, rechargeable batteries are the enemy. Great video Taryl really enjoyed it.
I suppose you support that crook Trump, a complete douche!
Yup, mine broke last year. Just sitting in the garage.
If you think Honda lawn mower owners are annoying, you should see the motorcycle owners. Honda went 20+ years without making a decent woods motorcycle or dual sport bike. While others made them well under 250 lbs theirs were stuck at well over 300-350 lbs for 20+ years. "Oh but they're so reliable". Yeah I've had them all. Zero difference other than a ton of weight.
There trail bikes around like 280lbs or so now.
@@FishFind3000 *Their. While others are 238. The RX450 is a pretty decent bike. I've ridden that. The XRL is under-powered and heavy still. 250 and 300 are still over 300 lbs.
Im keeping my Honda hr 194 sx from 1988 still works great
@@JanSchleicher-vy2lf I'm sure it does. I have a '77 Maico and 80s Huskys also.
Im glad to have several old 1958 Briggs and Stratton push mower s i bought some years ago along with 2 industrial lawn boy mowers i keep forever.
I first encountered "this page intentionally left blank" in old IBM technical manuals in the 60's.
In IBM's case, it was largely so that each chapter or major section of a manual showed up on the right hand side when the manual is laid out flat.
In other words, if a chapter had an odd number of pages, they'd add one to make the number even so that the next chapter started on the right side.
It certainly made a lot of sense if the manual was intended for three ring binders, and each chapter could be completely separated from any other, and could be detached if wanted.
The disclaimer would be so that no-one thought they had a misprinted manual.
I work for a small dealer in Northumberland i must have done about 15 of these camshafts since October
In UK?
How fast can you get them done?
@andrewmiddleton1762 yes Northumberland UK
@@1924ab it takes a good 3.5 hours that is removing the clutch completely. The repair kit from honda comes with the gaskets for the carberetter and the top and bottom seals for the crankshaft