Don’t need no pixie-dust which is why Tink isn’t shining. And no: back at the turn of the C20th, the pixie-dust was not a euphemism for an illegal substance.
Disney took away the unique thing about Wendy which is adding girls among The Lost Boys and in the original, they never had a loving caring mother figure until she showed up.
A modern retelling of PeterPan should be done with modern 20 something year olds who refuse to grow up and live in a fantasy world. Basically a college/university movie.
The biggest problem with girls being in the Lost Boys is that the whole point was that Peter bringing Wendy to Neverland introduced a feminine and motherly element which had previously been absent in the boys' lives. Wendy's presence amongst them matured the boys and made them decide they wanted to grow up after all and return to their own mothers. In their attempt to be "inclusive" and show that "girls are no different from boys", they've undermined the importance and uniqueness of Wendy as a character; even more so since they also appear to be reducing her feminine and motherly characteristics in order to change Wendy to be more of an adventurous swashbuckling girlboss character.
Left wingers don't like that kind of women though, in short because they actually have a positive impact on men. They hate men more than any other group.
I'd say flip it entirely, have the boys be smart and not assumed dumahhes and have the w0men incapable of listening and running off trying to find their independence which is more factual of real life than before.
I get your point, but lack of motherly presence can be as significant in boys' as in girls' lives. Yes, she stood out more as the only female presence (apart from Tinkerbell who was, as JBP described it, "a fairy of porn" lol), but that doesn't mean she still won't be the only mother-like figure there.
The most ironic thing is that the original Wendy, on a theoretical level, is a very feminist character. She is very positive, loving, caring and mature, and shows how basically a woman's figure is necessary for men to grow up. Woke fools and modern feminism are too stupid to see this.
I love feminism. Not the woke weird version. But the nurturing and kind version. Like of course woman are strong and amazing, but there should also be a balance. I don’t get why thats such a crime nowadays? Like thats the woman Wendy portrayed and we loved that about her, why does everything involving a female protagonist have to involve her being stronger, perfect, and better than the male every time?
@@nameless.artist1513 because modern day feminism ceased to be about women years ago. Now it's run by pink haired loons with chips on their shoulders that will sacrifice everything just to stick it to the men. It's toxic stuff.
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е To demonize them and demoralize them. If you're in a Western country you're inundated with "white people have no culture" for example.
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е Given your ignorance, whether feigned or not, I'm going to assume that you're descended from "chosen" Bolshevik party members.
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е To bring them down. They only know how to hurt people because being mean is their nature. They want to insult and belittle those they don't like, and that's men. By taking over franchises you take away their idols, heroes and role models. They believe they can take the place of male role models and become the ones in charge and be looked up to and praised, but no men are doing that. The only "men" who kiss their feet are the ones who were beaten down and made weak and pathetic. They gain control by hurting the image of men. There's enough gay dudes who just want to be liked instead of outcasts so they go along with it and become the passive weakling that gets approval. And any other angry woman loves it too, since it gives them a feeling of power over the source of their misery.
Those three things aren't all that removed from each other. I for one became a fan of movies/games because it added another layer to my love of English literature
@@thembanitheone so true. I love the modern iterations of myths, heroes and villains. My particular go-tos are World of Warcraft, Warhammer 40K and Transformers.
The trailer doesn't include it, but the whole plot the pirates employ is to kidnap Wendy, so she can be THEIR mother, and tell them stories as well. The first writers meeting must be the Disney staff passing around a vintage copy of the book, ripping out the pages, and finding creative ways to destroy them. Harlan Ellison famously ripped on Disney for never giving credit to the authors. It's not Walt Disney's Peter Pan, it's J.M.M Barrie's. Not Disney's Jungle Book, but Kipling's. Not Disney's Mary Poppins, but Travers, and on, and on. Disney is currently preemptively suing all the Marvel creators to keep them from taking advantage of the copyright window that will open soon and allow them to regain their lost ownership of the characters they created that made Disney billions, this includes Stan Lee's brother, Larry Lieber. I will never understand why so many people worship a company so hell bent on destroying the creators that made them what they are. Also insert the irony of cashing in so hard on stories about heroes and sacrificing for others when your business plan reads like a villains manifesto.
Wait, the 2000's live action didn't do something similar but actually good? Like they wanted her to join the crew at some point as story teller, and she is actually tempted at first since she was ACTUALLY a character in that movie?
Me, as an 8yo Congolese boy: "Peter Pan is my favourite Disney movie." Me, reads the book in my early 20s: "I enjoyed James Matthew Barry's writing. I need to rewatch the animated version." Disney in 2023: "You don't understamd - you only like it because you've internalised racism . But don't worry. Here's one with a diverse cast."
which is weird,because in their limited sense,good entertainment can only be achieved with diverse casts. i believe they also made an animated movie based on my SE Asia's culture,yet they failed because they only cared about the diversity and not to told a good story.
@@sipalingindonesia - exactly. The problem with virtue signalling is that it never goes beyond the performance. It's like entering a bodybuilding contest with muscle suit.
Calling it now: She gets a sword and immediately is the perfect fighter, leads the lost “boys” and “natives” to war, and single handedly beats Captain Hook, only to realize she doesn’t need Peter or any man in her life to be “complete.” Rey 2.0
Tiger Lily and Tinkerbell were two examples of female characters living their best lives in adventure. I don't think there was any need to throw girls into the lost boys.
Beyond there being no need, it corrupts the core of the story, that Peter wants a mother to read them stories. Wendy is that feminine figure. To have Lost Girls defeats that entirely.
Why is no one talking about the Hollywood removing Red Heads from everything? Little Orphan Annie remake - black kid, Little Mermaid remake - Black girl, Peter Pan - Indian kid!?!?!? Merida next?!??? Wth!!
Even as a kid I grasped that Wendy was the motherly nurturing figure, not the hero; a cornerstone. She gave you somthing to think about with out saying it. We all have to grow up. That's what made the story so enduring, growing up while trying to hold on to youth while reading and watching the story. Now I don't even know what to expect other than Wendy realized the has the power within her the whole time and saves Peter Pan by kicking Captain Hook into the crocodiles mouth, and looks back with a satisfying smirk 😏
And then tells everyone somehow Palpatine has returned... then they all look at her confused so she sits them and the pirates down and tells the story of star wars padding the run time out to like 16 hrs as the movies start with the phantom menace
Also “hook” had a pretty diverse cast as well for being a 90s movie. They didnt focus on anyones skin color/gender/sexuality instead it focus on what connected them together through common ideology. It also sets the theme where its okay to be mature and still be connected to your inner child.
You know after having children of my own the whole “little boys falling out of their prams and becoming lost boys and girls are too sensible to do that”….. yeah, that totally makes sense.
I have 3 brothers and yet I completely underestimated the trouble my son got into, especially compared to his sister. God help as he is now starting high school this year...
Even in the 2003 live action Peter Pan - which is great btw, I recommend it for a cool different take and great humor, visuals, and music - where they do fall a little into the "Wendy can fight too" idea, they still give her main focus to her desire for love and family which Peter is unable to meet apart from playing pretend father. It creates an interesting dynamic with the pirates and especially Hook who actually discusses this with her in the film, because the adults recognize her emotions where the Lost Boys and Peter don't. Wendy is openly compared to her mother with implications of her own future romance and family and that scares her initially along with the fear of leaving the nursery for her own room, but she slowly recognizes that she does want those deeper connections which inspires her to leave Neverland. It's modernized in a good way of just having Wendy be a little more tomboyish and wild alongside her brothers, even as she plays mother to the Lost Boys. But as she grows up, she becomes more feminine, dignified, and even commands some respect from the pirates in the last confrontation with Hook because they know to respect a lady and that's what she is now. It's not a perfect film, but I love it anyway for how much depth and beauty it has compared to the cartoon. @TheCriticalDrinker if you haven't seen it, it could be a good one to compare to this new version upon release.
The 2003 live action Peter Pan really doesn't get enough love. It had amazing casting, stayed mostly true to the story, and looked beautiful. Hard to imagine 20 years later, Disney would make a remake that looks so much cheaper.
It's just a betrayal of the themes of the original story anyways. The entire deeper moral of the story is how boys without a proper role model struggle to "grow up", and how the effect of a motherly influence on these "lost boys" helps them learn to mature. It's also a recognition that young girls are forced to mature by the biological reality of puberty, while young boys need to be molded to become mature men, and if they aren't, they stay man-children forever. It's a very relevant theme to the modern world, in western society we have a crisis of men staying childlike well into adulthood. If you make the lost boys include girls, and you make Wendy into the action hero, it just kills the theme entirely.
I was about to write something similar but you absolutely nailed it. This remake has stripped the archetypal skeleton from the original story and is basically wearing the remains as a skinsuit. Oh well. Modern storytelling hasn't reflected archetypal truths for a while now and continuing to get steamed over this cultural vandalism isn't particularly productive when the originals are still there (for now).
Well i mean what do you expect from people actively trying to destroy the nuclear family despite the fact that we've seen the overwhelmingly disastrous results of children who grow up with no parental figures.
@@DarkBykeTwitch those two statements don't logically follow. Yes MGTOW is a result of modern radical feminism. But that doesn't mean it's a good thing. The destruction of male-female relationships in society is a crisis.
When Hook said “This is the day you will always remember as the day you almost genderbend Captain Hook”, I got literal chills. Certainly one of the quotes of this movie.
I’m an American in Japan. Every Japanese drama is about a weird, quirky girl who is socially awkward and doesn’t fit in, in her surroundings or her job. The series will be about her learning to fit in, learning to socialize and fall in love. Getting married here is a major milestone for a woman. I can’t see Hollywood pushing a woman wanting to get married and try to chase a man.
@@richardhorrocks1460 Seeing as how they had more deaths than births last year, people like you need to be quiet and just encourage them all to get married asap and have babies.
@@richardhorrocks1460 There are examples of "quirky anime girls" who are "comfortable" the way they are, so to speak, where the point isn't some love interest or marriage. Konata from Lucky Star is one of the popular ones, Madoka from the eponymous Anime, basically all the characters from Houseki no Kuni. I don't think you have to look far for more good examples. However, "awkward girl finding her true love" is a major trope in shoujo (ie. "meant for younger girls") manga/anime.
Not only women. You get similar dramas, like my personal favorite Densha Otoko, that play toward men growing out of adolescence and becoming a true adult via different situations.
All you can do is laugh at the irony. The drive to be "inclusive" does nothing but destroy the stories, themes and values that were classics precisely because of their universalism. The themes Peter Pan explores are not ideological or political, they're simply human. The "you're not boys," "So?!" line in the trailer decimates some of these universal themes in less than a second, quite impressive in a way.
This is not an accident. It's the intended result. You put it perfectly: "inclusive" does nothing but destroy the stories, themes and values that were classics. Yes. Working as designed.
I read the book. Barrie wrote that girls were too clever to fall out of their bassinets and strollers like the boys did. That’s why Wendy going to Neverland was so special.
The point of Wendy's character is that the lost boys NEEDED her because she's different from them. Including girls just removes any point of her being necessary.
PS: I think Hook is an underrated gem. It's beautiful and THAT is the modern retelling we need. The message of it also playing into finding a balance with not forgetting the preciousness of being a child while also realizing that growing up and letting go can be freedom.
It was a massive hit when it came out, with huge Hollywood actors starring in it, so I wouldn't call it underrated. 100% agreed that people should watch that movie instead of this one.
It's not underrated at all I think the underrated film is the live action movie made in 2003 that followed the book pretty accurately with a few minor changes.
When Wendy unleashes *"SKY DRAGON'S ROAR!!!"* against Captain Hook and his pirate crew who use Armament Haki in battle, I smiled with pure happiness and glee.
A female lead version of a traditionally male lead IP? Brilliant idea! Worked great for Star Wars Worked great for Star Trek Worked great for Dr Who Worked great for Ghostbusters Worked great for Birds of Prey Worked great for Velma Worked great for Terminator: Dark Fate Worked great for Ocean's 8 Worked great for She Hulk Worked great for Willow Worked great for Bat Woman Worked great for Witcher: Blood Origins Worked great for Rings Of Power Worked great for National Treasure: Edge of History
Peter Pan was a coming off age story. There being only lost boys that didn't have a mother figure was essential to the storyline. Even young girls have baby dolls, tea parties, pretend marriage to their father and such things. The feminine aspect is always there. So having Lost Girls now takes away from the story. Wendy being the first and only female the boys knew, and them having to adapt to that, not treating her as a girl in the beginning (being too rough and rude). And later the material aspect of her taking care of the boys. That girls aren't boys and woman aren't men is the driving idea behind the plot. Wendy as a prepubescent girl falling for Peter also takes her into her new fase and want to grow up. Because she's becoming a woman. As much as that Peter has to take responsibility for her takes him into becoming a man. Disney just ducked up the entirety of the story basically. The taking of known characters and race and gender swapping them is just the flag upon the turd. Totally raping the story and taking the plot and just demolishing it, that's the steaming pile of 💩. Congratulations Disney. You've done it again. Only hope they go out of business fast.
That's it ! I've had enough. I'm doing a reboot of 1980s sitcom 'Different Strokes' where a well to do black businessman in Manhattan adopts two white UK kids from Liverpool. The catchphrase will be 'Watcha talkin' 'bout William ?'
I think the creators of the movie also didn't think it through (or consult the source material) because Wendy is a very mothering nurturing even "civilizing" presence as well, so by making the Lost Boys multiethnic boys and girls... you're unintentionally sending a bad message. In the animated movie Wendy didn't have to pick up a sword to show her courage, she proved it by being the first and potentially only one to choose to walk the plank rather than join Hook's crew, reminding the Lost Boys of their loyalty to Peter and refusing to relinquish her faith in Peter or what was right, even when she walked the plank.
My favorite part of the trailer was when all the Lost Boys shouted, “I am woman. Hear me roar!” And Wendy said, “I’m your huckleberry.” As she slow walked away from Skynet exploding and did her hero pose while Peter hugged her leg looking up at her as his goddess and savior of Neverland.
Actually, back in the day, for the Broadway show, they did cast a grown woman as Peter...but that was because they needed the voice to sound like a boy, but they needed a star that didn't grow up during the run. Mary Martin, who was Larry Hagman's(JR, Major Nelson) mother.
@@denroy3 Grown women never sound like children, let alone boys. One of the reasons I can't stand anime (or shows like Rugrats) is because they have grown-ass women playing the voices of boys, and they never sound like them. In Sonic 2, Tails doesn't sound like the boy he is, he sounds like a woman trying to sound like a boy. I fucking hate it.
Wendy being the only “older” woman on the island really showed how the lost boys gravitated toward her and almost started to see her as a mother figure. Women in the story are important because the represent peace are well as maturity. I hate how modern “artists” completely miss the points of the stories they try to adapt
Peter Pan is a beloved classic by a Dumfriesian legend. Hollywood will not be content until they have bent or broken every literary cornerstone to their will. Shakespeare himself isn't safe.
Tinkerbell became a "mascot character" for Disney, almost as much as Mickey. I'm sure some bright bulb thought they were earning extra bonus points for the race-swap. What's aggravating is that I'm pretty sure no discussions as earnest and thoughtful as this went into "Peter Pan and Wendy". Most likely, they went down a flowchart or checklist, and anyone who put up the mildest of questions or objections was given a cold stare and/or invited to leave.
A "modern" take on the story of Peter Pan and Wendy, would swap the roles. It would be Peter that is swept up and taken to Neverland by Wendy, where he meets the "Lost Girls" who are just a bunch of thots ... and Captain Hook is a 50something years old "strong independent female" that is crazy about the fact that poor Peter has no interest in dating her!
That actually might be a good idea. Though instead a what-if scenario of Peter Pan and the Lost boys leaving and Wendy staying. Then like 30-40 years later when the lost boys are going through middle-age Wendy shows up and wisks them back to Neverland. Granted, this is sounding waaay to much like Hook, and current Hollywood should just leave that movie alone.
Yes!! The Jolly Roger would have no rum, but barrels and barrels of wine. Plus, this new captain would need a new name. This new captain would have a jellydong where her hand used to be...
This is my favorite Disney movie from my childhood. I’m 35 this year… I’m so unhappy to hear that they’re going after this quintessential part of Disney cinematic history, and for what?!?!? Keep doing what y’all are doing because it’s necessary. It doesn’t make any sense why they would go this far, but hey…..
Ironically the 2003 peter pan had Wendy being a sword weilding adventuring loving girl who was very feminine. She struggled to fight the pirates but still held her own out smarting them. And it was her femininity that helped the boys maturing and she loved being a mother deciding to grow up from her role as a care taker. And ut was her love and kiss that saved peter.
The comments on the Peter Pan & Wendy trailer were ALL mocking (and often very funny), but they've since been turned off by Disney. As a company, they are determined to continue with this theme in all their content, so I wonder if they're playing the long game (with many other companies) in the hope of conditioning the next generation of consumers from childhood, and if sufficiently exposed over the course of a decade or so, they will appreciate and pay for such content when they reach adulthood. Just a thought... 🤔
Well, the way their going there isn’t a long game. They lost all their tax protections from Florida, no one is consuming their products. They’re failing massively.
When they turn comments off, that when you know THEY know this will be a disaster, but at this point, they're so far up the woke tree that if they jumped out, they'd be finished for good
Because Disney at this point is just a front for the deep state money laundering operation and as long as they push the message they take a cut so they don't care about making money from the public as much.
This is the problem with treating people EQUALLY instead of FAIRLY. We lose the awesome things make each group uniquely suited to tackle challenges other groups can't tackle. If I was a woman, I'd want people to show my natural traits being badass rather than forcing another group's traits on me.
I can’t wait for The Lion King live action remake where Simba becomes a black panther and discusses his oppression and feelings with Timon and Pumba. It will be a hit with modern audiences.
Just watched the trailer, and... yeah, the fact that Wendy's clearly the center of focus and Peter's barely in it tells you a lot. Also, are we going to talk about the bit where it looks like Wendy literally takes a cannonball to the face? it's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but the cannonball *definitely* deflects in its path when it passes close to Wendy. I can't be the only one who saw that...
The trailer was a true piece oft art! I very nearly cried when Wendy single handedly fought off the invisible Captain Hook and told Peter in her endearing accent to "get to the Choppa!" ❤
It could've been such an easy victory for Diznazi but nope, they couldn't leave well enough alone. All they had to do was recreate Peter Pan one to one from 1953 and all would've been good.
To be fair, the cartoon already undermined the themes of the original story. Wendy does grow and is prepared to enter adulthood... But then the movie ends with the Lost Boys staying with Peter and Mr. Darling saying that Wendy doesn't have to move out of the nursery yet, even though she's ready to. It even drops the lines in the book suggesting that Hook is what Peter would turn into if he kept getting older without growing up. Walt had a theme park to advertise with his paeans to childhood!
I LOVED the part when Wendy said "Ahhh yes, girls CAN BE boys!", SUCH AN EYE OPENER showing Neverlands' billions of years of genetics, biology and evolution, my heart skipped a beat at that BREATHTAKING moment! 😒😒😒 😎🇬🇧
I disagree, I think they started reading it, got offended/triggered after the first paragraph and then threw it in the eternal bonfire of social justice, burning in some plaza in their headquarters while some transqueerbossthem with a septum nosering and purple / orange hair dye is yelling something about cleansing the world. May have exaggerated a bit on this one
Did you notice that the comments on the Official Disney trailer have now been turned off? :D And its been rationed to hell!!! Disney must surely be taking notice.
The idea that Peter Pan was a god of death collecting souls for purgatory so they could have fun before they are forced out of the realm and onto the next life. I mean a lot could be done.
The race swapping wasn’t a problem back 20 years ago, I always assumed they just chose the best person for the job. It matters these days because we all know they do it deliberately to push their “message”.
Not at all, it’s not woke because it acknowledges gender roles and portrays men having all this fun while the woman is a killjoy. Let the girl be a man child too!
Disparu makes a good point that the movie could be so much deeper and more interesting if it was set in modern day. Setting it in the same time as the source material adds incongruities. On the other hand, having watched the trailer, the visual effects are impressive, and that’s where the visually rich and story poor alarm started. Just pick an Isekai anime, blatantly copy the plot but change the characters’ names.
@@geniusgamerr4517 exactly my point, rip off SAO, Log Horizon, Gate, or whatever Isekai you want, just change the names and you will have a better movie.
I think i'll stick with the original animated movie and Hook - RUFFIO! RUFFIO! RUFFIO! Edit: also, there was an early 2000's one that was pretty decent - the one with Jason Isaacs as Hook, cant remember too much about it but i do remember the mermaids legit tried to drown wendy because they were jealous that peter liked her, also, mermaids just like drowning people.
I think I will just be doing a marathon of watching the original Peter Pan cartoon, Hook with Robin Williams and the 2003 Peter Pan film instead of watching Peter Pan and Wendy is released
Disney used to understand the importance of stories and this kind of deeper psychological meaning. Between this and Pinocchio, it’s clear that those kinds of writers are LONG gone.
You can't ruin a great message any better than Disney these days. I would have never grown up were it not for my then GF/now wife of 27 years telling me to sh!t or get off the pot after living together for 2 years. Thank you Wendy, er, Sharon!!
Disney really watched Dreamworks singlehandly break their throne with Puss in Boots 2, and said “You know what this inspires us to do? … The same shit we’ve been doing, but worse.”
My favorite "modern" Peter Pan story was an audio book i tried because of a daily deal called "Lost Boy" by Christina Henry that reframes the story as more of a dark story where Peter Pan is not really the good guy we see in the original story. I found looking at the story from this different point of view pretty interesting. I wouldn't make a major motion picture out of it, but pretty interesting.
Why not make a major motion picture out of it? Teaching kids not to put with manipulative, gaslighting assholes would be quite a decent message. Of course, this movie is gaslighting by a manipulative corporation run by assholes, so I guess they're not interested in that narrative.
Tbf in the original story Peter Pan was really dark, he killed the lost boys occasionally to cut their numbers down or killed them when they got too old, basically was a child snatcher too.
The television show once upon a time took that angle on pan and it was actually done fairly well. It's a silly show but has some real talent like robert carlyle as rumpelstiltskin
Watching the trailer when I saw the girl I kept thinking of the song He was a Skater Boi, and when I saw the lad playing Peter I kept thinking of the Oktoberfest scene from The Pink Panther Strikes Again.
Wendy being the mother figure to the lost boys just shows what girls can do to help others see the mistakes they make. The lost boys had no guidance other than Peter who just wanted to keep playing. Someone's gotta reel those kids in and Wendy stepped up.
Wendy represents normal, nurturing motherhood.
Corrupting her into a sterile girlboss removes the emotional heart of the story.
Because people like Disney think that "normal nurturing motherhood" is evil white supremacist bigoted patriarchal oppression
Just as planned.
Nurturing motherhood?
I think i must report you for hatespeach, we dont speak like that anymore in 2023.
@@henriklarssen1331 Are women even ALLOWED to be mothers any more? Aren't they just baby makers or people with vaginas or chest feeders or something?
Motherhood!?!?! Don't you mean "personwhocangivebirthhood"
Lemme guess, Wendy's only flaw is occasionally doubting how absolutely perfect she is.
absolutely, that's how you fly, by knowing you're perfect! 🤢
@@MephiticMiasma *starts levitating while hearing positive affirmation inside head*
"My biggest fear is being so strong that no opponent is worthy of effort."
Don’t need no pixie-dust which is why Tink isn’t shining.
And no: back at the turn of the C20th, the pixie-dust was not a euphemism for an illegal substance.
@@austin9568AuraMasterDX *doctor fate meme*
Independent
Powerful
Dogpilled and dont need no man
Disney took away the unique thing about Wendy which is adding girls among The Lost Boys and in the original, they never had a loving caring mother figure until she showed up.
Yup they seemed to have missed the actual point of the whole story...lol. Which they adapted from the book in the cartoon version.
..... lil girls are mothers in your eyes? Kinda says more about you then Disney
@@waynegriffith9124 lol yep they def missed the whole point of the story.
@@dr.wolfstar1765 Dunce.
@@dr.wolfstar1765 Och shut up
A modern retelling of PeterPan should be done with modern 20 something year olds who refuse to grow up and live in a fantasy world. Basically a college/university movie.
That's a genuinely good idea.
You mean 30 somethings.
Find a copy of Damion Dietz's 'Neverland' from 2003...enjoy!
Wait wasn't that a TV show? I think it was called Friends. 😁
@@sarasunshinemt4444 👍👍🤣😂
The biggest problem with girls being in the Lost Boys is that the whole point was that Peter bringing Wendy to Neverland introduced a feminine and motherly element which had previously been absent in the boys' lives. Wendy's presence amongst them matured the boys and made them decide they wanted to grow up after all and return to their own mothers. In their attempt to be "inclusive" and show that "girls are no different from boys", they've undermined the importance and uniqueness of Wendy as a character; even more so since they also appear to be reducing her feminine and motherly characteristics in order to change Wendy to be more of an adventurous swashbuckling girlboss character.
yes!!! excellent points!!
Left wingers don't like that kind of women though, in short because they actually have a positive impact on men. They hate men more than any other group.
I'd say flip it entirely, have the boys be smart and not assumed dumahhes and have the w0men incapable of listening and running off trying to find their independence which is more factual of real life than before.
I get your point, but lack of motherly presence can be as significant in boys' as in girls' lives. Yes, she stood out more as the only female presence (apart from Tinkerbell who was, as JBP described it, "a fairy of porn" lol), but that doesn't mean she still won't be the only mother-like figure there.
You mean thet they're doing to Wendy here what Rings of Power did to Galadriel.
The most ironic thing is that the original Wendy, on a theoretical level, is a very feminist character.
She is very positive, loving, caring and mature, and shows how basically a woman's figure is necessary for men to grow up.
Woke fools and modern feminism are too stupid to see this.
This!!!
100% accurate. Well said.
I love feminism. Not the woke weird version. But the nurturing and kind version. Like of course woman are strong and amazing, but there should also be a balance. I don’t get why thats such a crime nowadays? Like thats the woman Wendy portrayed and we loved that about her, why does everything involving a female protagonist have to involve her being stronger, perfect, and better than the male every time?
There is no kind version of feminism there never was
@@nameless.artist1513 because modern day feminism ceased to be about women years ago.
Now it's run by pink haired loons with chips on their shoulders that will sacrifice everything just to stick it to the men.
It's toxic stuff.
"Why are we re-writing history?"
In order to take someone's identity, you take away their history.
Why would you want to take away someone's identity?
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е To demonize them and demoralize them. If you're in a Western country you're inundated with "white people have no culture" for example.
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е Given your ignorance, whether feigned or not, I'm going to assume that you're descended from "chosen" Bolshevik party members.
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е To bring them down. They only know how to hurt people because being mean is their nature. They want to insult and belittle those they don't like, and that's men.
By taking over franchises you take away their idols, heroes and role models. They believe they can take the place of male role models and become the ones in charge and be looked up to and praised, but no men are doing that. The only "men" who kiss their feet are the ones who were beaten down and made weak and pathetic.
They gain control by hurting the image of men. There's enough gay dudes who just want to be liked instead of outcasts so they go along with it and become the passive weakling that gets approval. And any other angry woman loves it too, since it gives them a feeling of power over the source of their misery.
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е so you can break them and control them easier
We are all watching you guys slowly turn from movie fans into critics into literary researchers.
Those three things aren't all that removed from each other. I for one became a fan of movies/games because it added another layer to my love of English literature
Into cultural warriors against these cultural vandals.
@@thembanitheone so true. I love the modern iterations of myths, heroes and villains. My particular go-tos are World of Warcraft, Warhammer 40K and Transformers.
And then further into rejecting modernity's foundations entirely 9:12
It's been a wild fking ride lol
The trailer doesn't include it, but the whole plot the pirates employ is to kidnap Wendy, so she can be THEIR mother, and tell them stories as well. The first writers meeting must be the Disney staff passing around a vintage copy of the book, ripping out the pages, and finding creative ways to destroy them.
Harlan Ellison famously ripped on Disney for never giving credit to the authors. It's not Walt Disney's Peter Pan, it's J.M.M Barrie's. Not Disney's Jungle Book, but Kipling's. Not Disney's Mary Poppins, but Travers, and on, and on. Disney is currently preemptively suing all the Marvel creators to keep them from taking advantage of the copyright window that will open soon and allow them to regain their lost ownership of the characters they created that made Disney billions, this includes Stan Lee's brother, Larry Lieber. I will never understand why so many people worship a company so hell bent on destroying the creators that made them what they are. Also insert the irony of cashing in so hard on stories about heroes and sacrificing for others when your business plan reads like a villains manifesto.
Wait, the 2000's live action didn't do something similar but actually good?
Like they wanted her to join the crew at some point as story teller, and she is actually tempted at first since she was ACTUALLY a character in that movie?
Tolkien hated disney so much he forbade them to ever touch his work
Actually they are erasing the white straight man from everthing, i fell sorry for my white friends. No more blond and bue eyes characters or red hair.
Don't forget that Disney has always supported Nazis, the classic, and the Neo.
Legitimately, an evil company run by evil people.
Me, as an 8yo Congolese boy: "Peter Pan is my favourite Disney movie."
Me, reads the book in my early 20s: "I enjoyed James Matthew Barry's writing. I need to rewatch the animated version."
Disney in 2023: "You don't understamd - you only like it because you've internalised racism . But don't worry. Here's one with a diverse cast."
It's good Disney is here to educate us.
@@christopherkelley1664 Someone had to take on that noble cause, I guess.
which is weird,because in their limited sense,good entertainment can only be achieved with diverse casts. i believe they also made an animated movie based on my SE Asia's culture,yet they failed because they only cared about the diversity and not to told a good story.
@@sipalingindonesia - exactly. The problem with virtue signalling is that it never goes beyond the performance. It's like entering a bodybuilding contest with muscle suit.
@Anoneemus Noename Well, thank you.
Calling it now: Wendy is the key to everything and saves Peter Pan.
She's a funnier character than we've ever had before.
TBF, that was the plot of the original story. Just in a different way to what you mean, I am sure.
@@AndrewFishman upvote but commenting for visibility as well.
Calling it now: She gets a sword and immediately is the perfect fighter, leads the lost “boys” and “natives” to war, and single handedly beats Captain Hook, only to realize she doesn’t need Peter or any man in her life to be “complete.” Rey 2.0
@@Lawrence_TalbotMost likely out come. That quick shot of her weilding a sword is very telling.
Disney recently turned off all of the comments that roasted them so hard.
How stunning and brave.
It's disney showing that *they* don't want to grow up.
Tiger Lily and Tinkerbell were two examples of female characters living their best lives in adventure. I don't think there was any need to throw girls into the lost boys.
Beyond there being no need, it corrupts the core of the story, that Peter wants a mother to read them stories. Wendy is that feminine figure. To have Lost Girls defeats that entirely.
Disney is aware of this yet they don't have a care in the world.
(Unless Walt came back to life and yelled at them!)
Actually they are erasing the white straight man from everthing, i fell sorry for my white friends. No more blond and bue eyes characters or red hair.
Why is no one talking about the Hollywood removing Red Heads from everything? Little Orphan Annie remake - black kid, Little Mermaid remake - Black girl, Peter Pan - Indian kid!?!?!? Merida next?!??? Wth!!
Even as a kid I grasped that Wendy was the motherly nurturing figure, not the hero; a cornerstone. She gave you somthing to think about with out saying it. We all have to grow up. That's what made the story so enduring, growing up while trying to hold on to youth while reading and watching the story. Now I don't even know what to expect other than Wendy realized the has the power within her the whole time and saves Peter Pan by kicking Captain Hook into the crocodiles mouth, and looks back with a satisfying smirk 😏
They literally just race swapped everything except Captain Hook and that's only because he's the bad guy lol
I love the part when Wendy is blasted to space and she uses the force to return to Neverland.
And then tells everyone somehow Palpatine has returned... then they all look at her confused so she sits them and the pirates down and tells the story of star wars padding the run time out to like 16 hrs as the movies start with the phantom menace
You probably can survive in Neverland's space without the Force. It's a dreamlike realm after all.
It's about family. That's whats so powerful about it
My sides! 😂
Also “hook” had a pretty diverse cast as well for being a 90s movie. They didnt focus on anyones skin color/gender/sexuality instead it focus on what connected them together through common ideology. It also sets the theme where its okay to be mature and still be connected to your inner child.
Deep peadophile connections to the whole look and feel of Hook.
Hook is great
Hook is one of my alltime favorite movies. My sister and I eventually wrecked the VHS from watching it too many times. Such an amazing movie
Little did we know the 80s and 90s were the last good times for movies like hook.
Rufio was my hero for a while, and that actor went on to play other inspiring characters throughout his career. Never once gave a crap about his race
You know after having children of my own the whole “little boys falling out of their prams and becoming lost boys and girls are too sensible to do that”….. yeah, that totally makes sense.
I have 3 brothers and yet I completely underestimated the trouble my son got into, especially compared to his sister.
God help as he is now starting high school this year...
My mother always used to tell me that boys are hard to take care of when they are young, girls are hard to take care of when they are older
Dunno. My daughter has the exact same temperament and stubbornness as her mom. She’s gonna be difficult now and as a teen
Even in the 2003 live action Peter Pan - which is great btw, I recommend it for a cool different take and great humor, visuals, and music - where they do fall a little into the "Wendy can fight too" idea, they still give her main focus to her desire for love and family which Peter is unable to meet apart from playing pretend father. It creates an interesting dynamic with the pirates and especially Hook who actually discusses this with her in the film, because the adults recognize her emotions where the Lost Boys and Peter don't.
Wendy is openly compared to her mother with implications of her own future romance and family and that scares her initially along with the fear of leaving the nursery for her own room, but she slowly recognizes that she does want those deeper connections which inspires her to leave Neverland. It's modernized in a good way of just having Wendy be a little more tomboyish and wild alongside her brothers, even as she plays mother to the Lost Boys. But as she grows up, she becomes more feminine, dignified, and even commands some respect from the pirates in the last confrontation with Hook because they know to respect a lady and that's what she is now.
It's not a perfect film, but I love it anyway for how much depth and beauty it has compared to the cartoon.
@TheCriticalDrinker if you haven't seen it, it could be a good one to compare to this new version upon release.
Loved that movie. I hope it will became popular once more just to be used as comparison material with this mediocre modern remake
The 2003 live action Peter Pan really doesn't get enough love. It had amazing casting, stayed mostly true to the story, and looked beautiful. Hard to imagine 20 years later, Disney would make a remake that looks so much cheaper.
They are not telling a story they are just pushing THE MESSAGE.
Why are they doing this?
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е Ask Bob Iger. He started and allows this shit.
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е (((Globalist))) influences.
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е It's called social engineering, the point is brainwashing the new generation of kids into becoming just like them.
In other words business as usual in Hollywood
Disney is just re-releasing all their old films but in "black-face"
Also “Bitch-face”
It's just a betrayal of the themes of the original story anyways.
The entire deeper moral of the story is how boys without a proper role model struggle to "grow up", and how the effect of a motherly influence on these "lost boys" helps them learn to mature.
It's also a recognition that young girls are forced to mature by the biological reality of puberty, while young boys need to be molded to become mature men, and if they aren't, they stay man-children forever.
It's a very relevant theme to the modern world, in western society we have a crisis of men staying childlike well into adulthood.
If you make the lost boys include girls, and you make Wendy into the action hero, it just kills the theme entirely.
another meaningless blur of action shots
I was about to write something similar but you absolutely nailed it. This remake has stripped the archetypal skeleton from the original story and is basically wearing the remains as a skinsuit. Oh well. Modern storytelling hasn't reflected archetypal truths for a while now and continuing to get steamed over this cultural vandalism isn't particularly productive when the originals are still there (for now).
Well i mean what do you expect from people actively trying to destroy the nuclear family despite the fact that we've seen the overwhelmingly disastrous results of children who grow up with no parental figures.
We don't have any crisis. Mgtow is a result of feminism.
@@DarkBykeTwitch those two statements don't logically follow.
Yes MGTOW is a result of modern radical feminism. But that doesn't mean it's a good thing. The destruction of male-female relationships in society is a crisis.
When Hook said “This is the day you will always remember as the day you almost genderbend Captain Hook”, I got literal chills.
Certainly one of the quotes of this movie.
I loved the part where Hook asked Tinkerbell to bite the curb
🤣🤣🤣
"And no amount of clapping will bring you back from where I will send you."
i love the part where he gives her the hose again
"Ye see my sailor tattoos? They be meaning 'fairies not welcome'!" -- Captain Hook, _Caribbean History X_
See this?
It means not welcome.
🎶 The Captain's Marching On...🎶
I’m an American in Japan. Every Japanese drama is about a weird, quirky girl who is socially awkward and doesn’t fit in, in her surroundings or her job. The series will be about her learning to fit in, learning to socialize and fall in love. Getting married here is a major milestone for a woman. I can’t see Hollywood pushing a woman wanting to get married and try to chase a man.
Do the quirky girls ever reject the norm and just go on being quirky and find love and happiness that way?
@@richardhorrocks1460 Seeing as how they had more deaths than births last year, people like you need to be quiet and just encourage them all to get married asap and have babies.
@@richardhorrocks1460 there also a sub genre of that as well in anime
@@richardhorrocks1460 There are examples of "quirky anime girls" who are "comfortable" the way they are, so to speak, where the point isn't some love interest or marriage. Konata from Lucky Star is one of the popular ones, Madoka from the eponymous Anime, basically all the characters from Houseki no Kuni. I don't think you have to look far for more good examples.
However, "awkward girl finding her true love" is a major trope in shoujo (ie. "meant for younger girls") manga/anime.
Not only women.
You get similar dramas, like my personal favorite Densha Otoko, that play toward men growing out of adolescence and becoming a true adult via different situations.
All you can do is laugh at the irony. The drive to be "inclusive" does nothing but destroy the stories, themes and values that were classics precisely because of their universalism. The themes Peter Pan explores are not ideological or political, they're simply human. The "you're not boys," "So?!" line in the trailer decimates some of these universal themes in less than a second, quite impressive in a way.
it looks like gaslighting which a lot of woke movies tend to do a lot these days.
Is it working?
When she said "You're not all boys" I was expecting "We are if we say so!"
This is not an accident. It's the intended result. You put it perfectly: "inclusive" does nothing but destroy the stories, themes and values that were classics. Yes. Working as designed.
I've had it up to here with inclusivity.
I read the book. Barrie wrote that girls were too clever to fall out of their bassinets and strollers like the boys did. That’s why Wendy going to Neverland was so special.
The point of Wendy's character is that the lost boys NEEDED her because she's different from them. Including girls just removes any point of her being necessary.
Did Wendy just assume their genders?!?
Yes.
Probably because at least 1 of them probably thinks they're a boy.
🤔
Hook was a modern interpretation that did things right.
"And what about Hook?"
"No you can leave him white"
Of course, he is the bad guy...they always make them white these days
We can cross our fingers for a Guillermo Del Toro version. His was the best “Pinocchio” reimagining of last year. 🤞🏻
PS: I think Hook is an underrated gem. It's beautiful and THAT is the modern retelling we need. The message of it also playing into finding a balance with not forgetting the preciousness of being a child while also realizing that growing up and letting go can be freedom.
It was a massive hit when it came out, with huge Hollywood actors starring in it, so I wouldn't call it underrated. 100% agreed that people should watch that movie instead of this one.
It's not underrated at all I think the underrated film is the live action movie made in 2003 that followed the book pretty accurately with a few minor changes.
@@empath9814 Totally agree about Peter Pan 2003. Totally underrated despite being so well done. Jason Isaacs as Hook is especially great
When Wendy unleashes *"SKY DRAGON'S ROAR!!!"* against Captain Hook and his pirate crew who use Armament Haki in battle, I smiled with pure happiness and glee.
fairy tail x one piece🤣
Edward teach woke culture
Never, ever, be sarcastic. It's becoming tiresome.
@Rex Lumontad You joke but I’d unironcially find that more entertaining than what modern Disney is doing nowadays. :)
@@Avarn388 A bit confused. Do you mean my comment was funny?
This is just another example that Hollywood is creatively bankrupt.
Not creatively bankrupt as much as completely risk-averse to the point they will milk that cow until it dies.
No, they are making the movies bad on purpose, it's a demoralization campaign.
@@SUPREMELEGEND True but at the same time there is also that many hack frauds around.
Nope they know exactly what they are doing
@@Alison31648 You’re giving them way too much credit.
A female lead version of a traditionally male lead IP? Brilliant idea!
Worked great for Star Wars
Worked great for Star Trek
Worked great for Dr Who
Worked great for Ghostbusters
Worked great for Birds of Prey
Worked great for Velma
Worked great for Terminator: Dark Fate
Worked great for Ocean's 8
Worked great for She Hulk
Worked great for Willow
Worked great for Bat Woman
Worked great for Witcher: Blood Origins
Worked great for Rings Of Power
Worked great for National Treasure: Edge of History
I honestly forgot most of those existed
While you got several good examples, i thin you made a few errors.
Any of these could work, but modern writers care more about the fact that they are female more than any thing else
Lol you forgot "Halo"😂
Worked great for Indiana Jones and Dial of Destiny
In this clip, you boys have perfectly articulated the fundamental issue with this modern spin of Peter Pan and thus the broader issue with Disney
Don't watch it!
Don't give Disney your money!
I love the awful dialogue in the trailer when she sees there’s girls in the lost boys & it results in a “no, you” moment.
Yeah it’s like “no, you are MORE!”
"So!?" is certainly an example of the kind of scintillating repartee we've come to expect from modern Disney, lol.
Peter Pan was a coming off age story. There being only lost boys that didn't have a mother figure was essential to the storyline. Even young girls have baby dolls, tea parties, pretend marriage to their father and such things. The feminine aspect is always there. So having Lost Girls now takes away from the story. Wendy being the first and only female the boys knew, and them having to adapt to that, not treating her as a girl in the beginning (being too rough and rude). And later the material aspect of her taking care of the boys. That girls aren't boys and woman aren't men is the driving idea behind the plot. Wendy as a prepubescent girl falling for Peter also takes her into her new fase and want to grow up. Because she's becoming a woman. As much as that Peter has to take responsibility for her takes him into becoming a man. Disney just ducked up the entirety of the story basically. The taking of known characters and race and gender swapping them is just the flag upon the turd. Totally raping the story and taking the plot and just demolishing it, that's the steaming pile of 💩. Congratulations Disney. You've done it again. Only hope they go out of business fast.
Fantastic! Very well said!
@@liamrobinson2084 thanks
That's it ! I've had enough. I'm doing a reboot of 1980s sitcom 'Different Strokes' where a well to do black businessman in Manhattan adopts two white UK kids from Liverpool. The catchphrase will be 'Watcha talkin' 'bout William ?'
Make it “I can’t believe you’ve done this” and I’m in
As a woman myself, thank you for doing this discussion 😊!
I think the creators of the movie also didn't think it through (or consult the source material) because Wendy is a very mothering nurturing even "civilizing" presence as well, so by making the Lost Boys multiethnic boys and girls... you're unintentionally sending a bad message.
In the animated movie Wendy didn't have to pick up a sword to show her courage, she proved it by being the first and potentially only one to choose to walk the plank rather than join Hook's crew, reminding the Lost Boys of their loyalty to Peter and refusing to relinquish her faith in Peter or what was right, even when she walked the plank.
I wish we could leave comments on it, but Disney is filled with cowards who can't fathom the idea that someone might not like what they're doing.
Oh, they know we don't like it. That fits right into the agenda.
My favorite part of the trailer was when all the Lost Boys shouted, “I am woman. Hear me roar!”
And Wendy said, “I’m your huckleberry.” As she slow walked away from Skynet exploding and did her hero pose while Peter hugged her leg looking up at her as his goddess and savior of Neverland.
Yeah, I also loved the part when Peter gives the kids magic dust and tells them they can fly if they think of a happy thought
@@remuslazar2033 Pssh, that part is irrelevant to the plot. More explosions and men groveling at her feet please.
That still sounds like a better movie.
How many more classic's are left to be bastardized at this point
There are probably more bastards waiting to be classic-ized...
🤔
Critical Drinker being a grown man and showing off his “toy” collection is simply the best 🤣👌🏻
I'm kind of surprised that they didn't call it Wendy and Peter Pan.
I'm surprised they cast a male lead for Peter tbf 🤣👊
Patricia Pan
Actually, back in the day, for the Broadway show, they did cast a grown woman as Peter...but that was because they needed the voice to sound like a boy, but they needed a star that didn't grow up during the run. Mary Martin, who was Larry Hagman's(JR, Major Nelson) mother.
Well in the broadway musical, Peter Pan has always been traditionally played by a woman, most notably by Mary Martin in the famous 1950s versions.
@@denroy3 Grown women never sound like children, let alone boys. One of the reasons I can't stand anime (or shows like Rugrats) is because they have grown-ass women playing the voices of boys, and they never sound like them. In Sonic 2, Tails doesn't sound like the boy he is, he sounds like a woman trying to sound like a boy. I fucking hate it.
@@denroy3 "broadway show"
Wendy being the only “older” woman on the island really showed how the lost boys gravitated toward her and almost started to see her as a mother figure. Women in the story are important because the represent peace are well as maturity. I hate how modern “artists” completely miss the points of the stories they try to adapt
"Almost"? She basically became their make-believe mother.
I haven’t seen a movie get that smashed since Highlander the source.
Peter Pan is a beloved classic by a Dumfriesian legend. Hollywood will not be content until they have bent or broken every literary cornerstone to their will. Shakespeare himself isn't safe.
The 1953 Disney cartoon movie is the one I grew up on. And that's the one I watch.
Tinkerbell became a "mascot character" for Disney, almost as much as Mickey. I'm sure some bright bulb thought they were earning extra bonus points for the race-swap.
What's aggravating is that I'm pretty sure no discussions as earnest and thoughtful as this went into "Peter Pan and Wendy". Most likely, they went down a flowchart or checklist, and anyone who put up the mildest of questions or objections was given a cold stare and/or invited to leave.
I was expecting that we'd get Peter Pansexual.
But hey, there's still time. 🙃
There's a 0% chance there aren't openly precociously gay lost boys
Peter Pander showed up instead
For all you know, he is FTM.
Yes, that's supposed to be read as sarcasm.
"Peter Pansexual Meets Bi-Curious George"... I really shouldn't give Di$ney any ideas...
A "modern" take on the story of Peter Pan and Wendy, would swap the roles.
It would be Peter that is swept up and taken to Neverland by Wendy, where he meets the "Lost Girls" who are just a bunch of thots ... and Captain Hook is a 50something years old "strong independent female" that is crazy about the fact that poor Peter has no interest in dating her!
Don’t give them more bad ideas…unless you are the type that want to watch the world burn.. which I can appreciate
That actually might be a good idea. Though instead a what-if scenario of Peter Pan and the Lost boys leaving and Wendy staying. Then like 30-40 years later when the lost boys are going through middle-age Wendy shows up and wisks them back to Neverland. Granted, this is sounding waaay to much like Hook, and current Hollywood should just leave that movie alone.
Yes!! The Jolly Roger would have no rum, but barrels and barrels of wine. Plus, this new captain would need a new name. This new captain would have a jellydong where her hand used to be...
And Hook would have a crew of cats
@@tuppybrill4915 So basically Hook would be Umbridge.
This is my favorite Disney movie from my childhood. I’m 35 this year… I’m so unhappy to hear that they’re going after this quintessential part of Disney cinematic history, and for what?!?!? Keep doing what y’all are doing because it’s necessary. It doesn’t make any sense why they would go this far, but hey…..
I'll just stick to Hook as an AU version of grown Peter Pan and Wendy. Just forget Disney the Money Monster.
which was your favourite? the animated or the robin williams live action? mine was the live action robby williams! soooo amazing
It makes perfect sense when you realize they just hate you. It's depressing, but it makes sense.
i think they ruined hook , he was more of a man child runing from a ticking crocodile. are they going to make smee gay...oh no
My favorite was the one where Jason Isaacs played Hook.
"The Message!" is loud and clear in this one!
Ironically the 2003 peter pan had Wendy being a sword weilding adventuring loving girl who was very feminine. She struggled to fight the pirates but still held her own out smarting them. And it was her femininity that helped the boys maturing and she loved being a mother deciding to grow up from her role as a care taker. And ut was her love and kiss that saved peter.
The 2003 Peter Pan did a good job balancing it out. This trailer seems to focus entirely on Wendy being tough and boyish.
Disparu said it perfectly. She's gonna start amazing and end amazing.
The comments on the Peter Pan & Wendy trailer were ALL mocking (and often very funny), but they've since been turned off by Disney. As a company, they are determined to continue with this theme in all their content, so I wonder if they're playing the long game (with many other companies) in the hope of conditioning the next generation of consumers from childhood, and if sufficiently exposed over the course of a decade or so, they will appreciate and pay for such content when they reach adulthood. Just a thought... 🤔
Well, the way their going there isn’t a long game. They lost all their tax protections from Florida, no one is consuming their products. They’re failing massively.
When they turn comments off, that when you know THEY know this will be a disaster, but at this point, they're so far up the woke tree that if they jumped out, they'd be finished for good
The one thing they have not yet discovered is that you cannot fight disgust. If people hate something, they hate it.
Because Disney at this point is just a front for the deep state money laundering operation and as long as they push the message they take a cut so they don't care about making money from the public as much.
@Smell The Glove They didn't lose their tax protections. It's why Disney didn't fight it.
This is the problem with treating people EQUALLY instead of FAIRLY. We lose the awesome things make each group uniquely suited to tackle challenges other groups can't tackle. If I was a woman, I'd want people to show my natural traits being badass rather than forcing another group's traits on me.
To quote Sherlock Holmes (2009); “Inevitably one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.”
How does Wendy develop as a character?
Disney: character development?
"Hang on to your hat, Marty. Where WE'RE going, there is no need for character development!"
Disney: We don't do that here.
I can’t wait for The Lion King live action remake where Simba becomes a black panther and discusses his oppression and feelings with Timon and Pumba. It will be a hit with modern audiences.
And Scar will be the hero for ending the inequality in the Animal Kingdom, supporting the poor, downtrodden hyenas.
And Timon and Pumba will be a lesbian couple...
Love all that you do. Remember Darkman? Now that's a comic book made to movie before all others!
Just watched the trailer, and... yeah, the fact that Wendy's clearly the center of focus and Peter's barely in it tells you a lot. Also, are we going to talk about the bit where it looks like Wendy literally takes a cannonball to the face? it's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but the cannonball *definitely* deflects in its path when it passes close to Wendy. I can't be the only one who saw that...
At this point, I really believe that is an IA generating Disney's movies scripts.
A Racist, Sexist, Anti-WOKE AI at that.
It's also generating most videos and comments on utube reddit etc.
I love Disney, I haven't spent a dime on them in over 25 years! Thanks for helping me save money
The trailer was a true piece oft art! I very nearly cried when Wendy single handedly fought off the invisible Captain Hook and told Peter in her endearing accent to "get to the Choppa!" ❤
It could've been such an easy victory for Diznazi but nope, they couldn't leave well enough alone. All they had to do was recreate Peter Pan one to one from 1953 and all would've been good.
To be fair, the cartoon already undermined the themes of the original story. Wendy does grow and is prepared to enter adulthood... But then the movie ends with the Lost Boys staying with Peter and Mr. Darling saying that Wendy doesn't have to move out of the nursery yet, even though she's ready to. It even drops the lines in the book suggesting that Hook is what Peter would turn into if he kept getting older without growing up. Walt had a theme park to advertise with his paeans to childhood!
I was thinking the same thing the whole time they were talking.
I LOVED the part when Wendy said "Ahhh yes, girls CAN BE boys!", SUCH AN EYE OPENER showing Neverlands' billions of years of genetics, biology and evolution, my heart skipped a beat at that BREATHTAKING moment! 😒😒😒 😎🇬🇧
Drinker getting deep at 3:40 then cuts to a joke in what could only described as PERFECTION lol
If anyone want to watch a Peter Pan live action then try to watch the Peter Pan 2003 movie. It was dope.
And it's perfect for a "contemporary" Peter Pan. It might not be strictly "modern," but it's certainly not set a century ago.
I bet the writers didn't read the book
I disagree, I think they started reading it, got offended/triggered after the first paragraph and then threw it in the eternal bonfire of social justice, burning in some plaza in their headquarters while some transqueerbossthem with a septum nosering and purple / orange hair dye is yelling something about cleansing the world. May have exaggerated a bit on this one
@@angrybatarian Nah if anything you didnt go far enough.
@@angrybatarian I think you are spot on!!!
Did you notice that the comments on the Official Disney trailer have now been turned off? :D And its been rationed to hell!!! Disney must surely be taking notice.
"I guess that didn't exactly... PAN OUT!" - Jeremy Jahns, Pan 2015 review
The idea that Peter Pan was a god of death collecting souls for purgatory so they could have fun before they are forced out of the realm and onto the next life.
I mean a lot could be done.
The race swapping wasn’t a problem back 20 years ago, I always assumed they just chose the best person for the job. It matters these days because we all know they do it deliberately to push their “message”.
I would rather listen to these fine non frenchmen for a few hours than anything disney puts out
When the dyslexic casting director at Disney is told Tinkerbell should be a "ginger."
I'm so ashamed of myself for assuming the gender of the Lost 'Boys'...
It's literally a story about masculine immaturity. It's already woke AF!!!!
That's what I find the most stupid about Hollywoke; they think that people won't get progressiveness unless it's shoved down their faces.
Not at all, it’s not woke because it acknowledges gender roles and portrays men having all this fun while the woman is a killjoy. Let the girl be a man child too!
Let's face it gents: the tick, tock, tick, tock, is no longer the crocodile, it's the lost girls biological clock.
Or if Wendy is Hispanic it can be the countdown until she inevitably gains 200 pounds
Disparu makes a good point that the movie could be so much deeper and more interesting if it was set in modern day. Setting it in the same time as the source material adds incongruities. On the other hand, having watched the trailer, the visual effects are impressive, and that’s where the visually rich and story poor alarm started. Just pick an Isekai anime, blatantly copy the plot but change the characters’ names.
Correction isekai is way better than this shit
@@geniusgamerr4517 exactly my point, rip off SAO, Log Horizon, Gate, or whatever Isekai you want, just change the names and you will have a better movie.
Peter Pan was about growing up and being better together, so it was only a matter of time before they came to destroy it.
It was calculated. They are trying to erase women.
I think i'll stick with the original animated movie and Hook - RUFFIO! RUFFIO! RUFFIO!
Edit: also, there was an early 2000's one that was pretty decent - the one with Jason Isaacs as Hook, cant remember too much about it but i do remember the mermaids legit tried to drown wendy because they were jealous that peter liked her, also, mermaids just like drowning people.
Those 2003 Peter Pan mermaids were awesomely creepy.
Disney fairies: *Exist*
Modern Disney: Hey let's race swap them
I think I will just be doing a marathon of watching the original Peter Pan cartoon, Hook with Robin Williams and the 2003 Peter Pan film instead of watching Peter Pan and Wendy is released
9:12 is the best bit. The acknowledgment of what we're up against
Disney used to understand the importance of stories and this kind of deeper psychological meaning. Between this and Pinocchio, it’s clear that those kinds of writers are LONG gone.
You can't ruin a great message any better than Disney these days. I would have never grown up were it not for my then GF/now wife of 27 years telling me to sh!t or get off the pot after living together for 2 years. Thank you Wendy, er, Sharon!!
Disney really watched Dreamworks singlehandly break their throne with Puss in Boots 2, and said “You know what this inspires us to do?
…
The same shit we’ve been doing, but worse.”
My favorite "modern" Peter Pan story was an audio book i tried because of a daily deal called "Lost Boy" by Christina Henry that reframes the story as more of a dark story where Peter Pan is not really the good guy we see in the original story. I found looking at the story from this different point of view pretty interesting. I wouldn't make a major motion picture out of it, but pretty interesting.
Why not make a major motion picture out of it?
Teaching kids not to put with manipulative, gaslighting assholes would be quite a decent message. Of course, this movie is gaslighting by a manipulative corporation run by assholes, so I guess they're not interested in that narrative.
Tbf in the original story Peter Pan was really dark, he killed the lost boys occasionally to cut their numbers down or killed them when they got too old, basically was a child snatcher too.
The Child Thief by Brom is another twisted reimagining. It’s not for someone who needs a happy ending. Dark stuff. He’s an amazing illustrator too.
Now *this* sounds interesting, I think I’ll go listen to that. Thanks for the recommendation!
The television show once upon a time took that angle on pan and it was actually done fairly well. It's a silly show but has some real talent like robert carlyle as rumpelstiltskin
They don't consider motherhood as a compliment to women.
Watching the trailer when I saw the girl I kept thinking of the song He was a Skater Boi, and when I saw the lad playing Peter I kept thinking of the Oktoberfest scene from The Pink Panther Strikes Again.
Wendy being the mother figure to the lost boys just shows what girls can do to help others see the mistakes they make. The lost boys had no guidance other than Peter who just wanted to keep playing. Someone's gotta reel those kids in and Wendy stepped up.