Oh god… thanks Drinker for making me imagine Darth Vader’s death written by modern MCU writers. I can see Vader coughing up blood, saying “atleast I died a jedi” and then Luke like looks around awkwardly, smiling as his dad coughs up blood, and sarcastically responds like “yeah… you’re a jedi alright”. And then Chewbacca does some random wacky thing to make the kids in the audience laugh, like farts or something.
They broke a cardinal sin; show don’t tell. We were told Kang has killed multiple avengers multiple times. We were told he could destroy entire timelines, entire universes. We were told he’s basically omnipotent, that he masters time and space. We were told his ship, with the power source is all he needs. But then we were showed Kang who shoots lasers at random non-super powered freedom fighters and can kill like a few regular people at a time, not someone who’s powerful enough to kill Thor. We were showed Kang getting the power source for his ship, then instead of leaving instantly, he try’s to bring this massive other ship with him, and gets defeated (why does he need this massive other ship when he controls time and space?). We are showed Kang being defeated by giant ants, then Scott Lang’s literal average human strength (without his suit or powers). Not only didn’t they tell instead of show. But they showed us a contradiction of what they were trying to tell us. Not even as a plot device.
I like that last part. Scott fucking Lang, as much of an average Joe as they come, actually went toe to toe with Kang and didn't get obliterated. So awful.
Look, they literally killed half the Avengers in the last big movie. Half of them dead. Not to mention the universe. How are they going to top that, kill half the multiverse? How would you even notice if half infinity is dead?
Also when Janet's opened the portal! Why doesn't Kang let them All go home? Coz Now he's got his Ship and can go kill there World and The Council of Kangs!
This has been what they have been doing in Marvel for quite some time. You are told She-Hulk is a great lawyer but then they show her making really basic and stupid blunders in the courtroom.
It would be quite horribly ironic if Disney spent 71 billion dollars to acquire X-men and Fantastic Four…and rather then use the IP immediately and effectively, they sit on them too long to the point audiences lose interest.
Apparently the fox contracts technically don’t end till 2025/2026. That’s why they haven’t casted or had any X Men/F4 movies. Also why u have Hugh Jackman coming back in Deadpool 3 & Patrick Stewart as Professor X in Multiverse of Madness Bullshit I know
@@alazkaalazka6087 So the 71 billion dollars didn't include the contracts for the film IPs they wanted? How the heck does that work? What's the point of buying a company you can't use for the better part of a decade afterwards?
@@whitworth5s248 idk how this works. At first I thought the story was bullshit but as more time passes the more I believe it. Especially since they still haven’t casted or announced any X-Men or F4 movies. I think the fox actors were probably guaranteed a certain amount of movies or years on there deal & instead of buying out there contracts I guess Disney would rather let them expire.
Sadly this all makes sense. And in 2019 in the era of cheap credit, they probably thought they could wait it out. Now sadly they don’t have cheap credit anymore, just lots of debt.
@@alazkaalazka6087 That doesn't sound right because Fox wouldn't have had to kill their X-men franchise when Disney bought them if they still had them for a few more years. But once they did they just kind of gave up on it with Dark Pheonix being the last and it's clear they didn't care anymore because they knew it couldn't be followed up on. They can recast characters whenever they want, that's what they did with Ruffalo Hulk, Cheadle Rhodey Tom Holland Spidey, etc. Jackman isn't under contract to do any more X-men films with Fox he did them all. Deadpool was a new contract.
That’s my biggest problem with the movie. There was an interesting story in there about Scott having to decide between doing the right thing, or keeping Cassie safe. But it turned into Cassie lecturing him, and Scott just standing there taking it.
The reason Thanos worked as an overarching villain was because whenever the heroes thwarted Thanos's efforts to gain the Infinity Stones in movies Pre-Infinity War, they weren't thwarting Thanos himself, but someone working for him (Loki in Avengers 1, Ronan in Guardians 1). And Thanos was treated like a big deal, his screen time limited throughout the MCU until Infinity War where he goes on the warpath against the heroes and accomplished his ultimate goal in one fell swoop. (Edit) And adding on to this, later into the video they mentioned the ridiculousness of Kang's plan, and I'll add on to my greater point in that Thanos's goals were easy to understand, if grandiose: The Infinity Stones were the perfect MacGuffins to use to tie the ongoing MCU narrative together while also being tangible markers of how close Thanos is to his goals, what he has to do to achieve them, and the potential conflicts with the heroes that can occur. All this multiverse stuff with Kang seemingly has no rules, and thus, it's harder to conceive of the scale of his goals and what he has to do in upcoming films to get closer to those goals. What they're doing with Kang currently feels like if Thanos had led the Chitauri invasion in Avengers 1, the Avengers had defeated him as easily as they did Loki, but the writers still wanted to build him up as a huge, insurmountable threat. What a waste.
To sumerize this up, with Thanos they used "Show don't tell", Thanos was terrifying in his first 5 minutes he oneshoted Thor and Hulk and killed Loki. But with Kang they did "Tell don't show " everyone said that Kang is dangerous and all but I don't know why
@@luc7478 yeah, right.. the guy boasts that he killed Thor without even knowing his name, only to get kicked into a McGuffin by the Wasp and die. Same in Loki - gets wasted in a few moments after he apears. I get that they are different variants and all, but I just can't seem to take Kang seriously after seeing the man get killed twice by the female reiterations of B-list characters. I guess Feige is so up his ass with the fame these days that he has no idea how ridiculous is this setup they are doing for Phase V
I think what they should have done was split Phase 3 into two parts, So Part A one goes upto Infinity War, then they should have done a few films based during the Blip, maybe have a couple of TV series in there as well, while hinting at Kang the Conqueror to slowly start the threat. Part B would start with Ant-Man and the Wasp, which could have been used more to set up the quantum realm where you could have introduced a Kang variant, and it would be the setup for Phase 4/5. I would have done the Hawk Eye show during this phase to show him at his lowest when he lost his family to the blip, show how much the world/universe got screwed with half of life wiped out. Also this is where I would have a Black Widow film as well. Maybe introduce a few other Marvel characters but at a more local level helping where they live. Then I would end Phase 3B with Endgame
@@namugriff They're too limited by physical actors to have done that unfortunately. They get older, or don't want to do it anymore or, in the case of Chadwick Boseman, die. Look how badly them wanting to hold off on Tchalla to save him as one of the pillars of the next phase bit them in the ass when they didn't end up making the most of Boseman while they still had him. It's not like they knew he was going to die, but they just assumed he'd be around for more films in a couple years and they were dead wrong on that. You just can't really bank on the idea that they can bench a character for a few years and the actor will be able to hop back into it afterwards just like they were before.
I can sort of see what they're trying to do with Kang to not just make him Thanos 2.0. Since Thanos was limited in appearance and didn't do anything really until IW, with Kang they're making use of him being multiversal to have him be an antagonist multiple times to contrast with how they did Thanos. Problem is they're doing badly and it just kind of makes Kang look like a loser.
In Loki, the TVA has a drawer full of Infinity Stones just lying around. Kang runs the TVA. That's the problem with stupid writers. You can't set up a guy as a multiversal threat who sees Infinity Stones as insignificant, who destroys timelines, but his force field can't repel ants. They already did the "oh no we've killed the one Kang keeping the other Kangs at bay" in Loki anyway.
And that's the problem too with characters whose schtick is that they're extremely intelligent, such as Reed Richards, Dr Doom, or Batman - they can only be as smart as the writers, who usually aren't. The version of Reed in Doctor Strange 2 was an absolute moron, and not since the Adam West Batman series has he been shown as a detective, which is what 'DC' stands for - Detective Comics.
Exactly. Kang never should've been defeated in his first film like that. He should've been the type of threat that you don't defeat, you survive. Ant-Man should've went to get the other Avengers to warn them of Kang, and eventually fight him. The perfect setup is that Kang comes from a point in the future, where his technology is so advanced that it's almost indistinguishable from superpowers. He should've been seemingly unbeatable, until the Avengers (down the road) figure out a way to hurt him significantly for the first time as the story progressed.
@@matthewlincoln8194 Much like Thanos, Kang should be bulldozing real heroes and opponents with moderate ease. He should have been more like Wanda in Multiverse of Madness bricking the most powerful heroes in each timeline. Disney Marvel has only succeeded in delivering a milquetoast villain who couldn't defeat the weakest of the "Avengers". This is a repeating theme for Disney recall the new Star Wars Trilogy, Rey (Mary Sue) defeats a battle tested Sith Warrior easily and out duels him on every level. There is no threat from a villain that can be handily defeated by someone with zero training. Hence why there was no emotional buy in nor "suspension of disbelief" threat from the "villain" he had been defeated in the first film easily. Conversely, Darth Vader is truly scary and not a fool. He showed a taste of his power in the conference room with the Imperial Officer and he defeats the only Jedi we know of at that point. When Luke faces him for the first time Vader mops the floor with him, it isn't even close. Yoda's warnings that he wasn't prepared resonated with the audience. That is what made the final duel in the throne room so much more intense, we all knew Luke/rebels would win, but it was costly for Luke on multiple levels and made him realize how close he was to following his father's path.
I just talked with a friend who said this was his favourite of the Ant-Man films (he hasn’t rewatched any of them btw). And you know what I noticed? The people who like this era of marvel can’t even tell you _why_ they like it. They’ll repeat a line they thought was funny, or say they like one of the actors, and that’s basically it. No critical thinking, no artistic appreciation. Maybe a mention of the special effects, but that’s as deep as it goes. This is the level of consumer that’s been sustaining the MCU. But with every movie there’s fewer and fewer of them. They’re getting bored.
I know what you mean. I cringe to think if I would have been like that if I were a teenager again. People want a familiar warm and fuzzy feeling as though they’re part of a community, especially when we’re young and confused. We wanna belong (but we’re not aware of it). On 16th May 2002 my friends and I sat an English exam in high school and then immediately raced into the city to watch Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones straight after. It’s as though logically I knew it was lame, especially with the Yoda fight scene, but my emotional need for validation as part of my friend group and just my commitment to this brand gave me comfort. It’s a phenomenon but it’s real. A generation from now, most of us will forget this crap. I already don’t bother with Phase 1-3, as much as I enjoyed them. It’s meant to be left behind and you’ll see what I mean sooner or later
@@sstrykert He saves me so much money! I just ask him what he thinks of a movie, and if he likes it I know to avoid it 🤣 Joking aside he’s a good dude, and we still agree on a lot of things. Movies just aren’t one of them.
yeah there’s a ton of those kinda folks who can’t explain it but personally the movie wasn’t the worst and i had more fun watching it than Antman and the Wasp but i can definitely see why this isn’t doing as well. it could’ve been so much better
I've got a friend who worked on it and invited me to the crew premier. We met up and he said "Shall we just go to the pub instead? It''s s**t" So we just ended up going to the pub. He said writers just sit around on set making up scenes as they go.
I surprisingly enjoyed the first Ant-man quite a bit, its a shame what they've done with the character, as talented as Paul Rudd is, even he can't save bad writing.
The things that worked in the first Antman was stuff created by Edgar Wright before he left the project. He didn’t care about the whole multiverse and wanted his movie to be a stand alone thing.
I work at a movie theater. We have like 6 showings of Ant Man during my shifts, and maybe 1 of those showings has enough people to fill up a garbage can. Meanwhile, Cocaine Bear is selling out its theaters big time.
Have you seen Cocaine Bear yet? If so, is it worth the price of admission? Haven't seen a movie in theaters in ages, but I'm considering going to see that one, just for the sheer absurd entertainment.
@@NotALot-xm6gz imagine a movie about a bear that gets high on cocaine and goes Ape shit is more popular and entertaining than a movie that probably spent 50 million just on CGI FX, that's part of a franchise that spans more than 2 decades
He was actually even a minion of Thanos at one point. You're right. Kang isn't a Thanos level threat. This guy just needs to go away already because Doom is the best character to come in and be seen as a genuine Thanos level threat. That guy actually became a God and found it boring.
I guess you never read Kang Dynasty when he cannonically nuked Washington DC and defeated/enslaved the Avengers. Of course he was eventually defeated but he did win for awhile there.
The issue that’s been plauging Marvel is that they aren’t taking the Right Risks. Iron man was a huge risk for them, and it worked because it truly wasn’t like anything else at the time. Since then Marvel has slowly and slowly devolved into a more safe formula and refuses to change. They originally wanted to focus on more Horror elements, but obviously they back tracked on it because they didn’t want to commit to that idea.
I know this is a bit off topic, but I really wish that Hulk's snap had brought back to life the "even greater threat than Thanos". An after-credit clip could have been shown this entity un-blipping, and perhaps sensing where in the universe this enormous surge of power came from, leading to us being directly back in harm's way. Oh well.
@@thomaslynch7838 Because they were too busy thinking which failed female replacements from the comics they could use and then scream, "But it was in the comics, so it's cannon you bigot!"
"This movie in my opinion had a lot of potential. Nothing more exemplifies this than MODOK. Having him be Darren was an interesting take and could have set him up to be a terrifying villain. He’s been trapped in the Quantum Realm for who knows how long, and Scott’s the one who put him there. He already didn’t like the Pym’s and stole Hank’s company. He is greedy and power-hungry, and he should want revenge on Scott. The setup was there, and then he took off his mask, and I saw a face that while being executed well on a technical level, looks completely ridiculous. It’s no wonder they killed him off, because every time Darren’s stretched-out face and ass (yes, his ass is in the movie), I nearly burst out laughing. Instead of a threat, MODOK was a punchline because of the execution. There are moments where he’s genuinely threatening and he almost killed Hank, but Marvel couldn’t help themselves. Finally, after Cassie told him to stop being a dick, he has his character arc and kills himself. What a waste."
An absolute missed opportunity for both Corey Stoll to chew up the scenery even harder as he did and the first Ant-Man, and hammer home the emotional impact of his fate. Why can't the MCU go back to being subtle and emotionally effecting?
@@juangiorno7480 None of that matters. They have the last laugh cos you and these other drooling morons paid money to watch this. Marvel will always have the last laugh so long as you continue to enable them
I don't go to the movies much anymore. I just watch reaction channels' reviews. 🤣. Thanks Drinker, Jeremy Jahns, Dan Murrell, Honest Trailers, and Pitch Meeting. ✌🏽
Kang in the comics: solos all the Avengers with ease regularly, has technology from the end of history, direct descendant of the smartest human to ever exist, is the only being who can alter history without any repercussions, and has conquered countless worlds throughout the universe. Kang in the MCU: *gets his ass kicked by ants with frickin' laserbeams*
A friend of mine has a saying "If it's predictable, it's preventable". I think the producers of this and most other recent Marvel movies should learn and heed that saying.
I love Tron Legacy. Yes, it has its flaws but it was a sincere attempt to make a good film by pre-woke Disney, amaizng visuals (sans de-ageing on Bridges), Olivia Wilde when she was still o-la-la, and a killer soundtrack by DP. I guess enough years have passed for AM3 producers to think we've all forgotten T:L.
Tron Legacy had some Leftist non-sense in it too. The good guy thinks everybody should get the operating system for free when it cost hundreds of millions to make. Thats Grade A woke Leftist non-sense. Further still the " new life" that was created in the system is the same non-sense of how our universe came to be- " It just happened because things randomly lined up fell into place". There was other stuff too I can't even remember.
The plot should have been Kang easily stopping a series of plans that the heroes attempt. Kang basically says that he’s done this with them many times because he’s a time lord, so they have to pull the whole we need to do something completely random (kind of like part of the movie Push). Then you could include a few randomly enlarging ants that have lasers. Kang still keeps the upper hand, heroes barely escape and now realize they need to warn everyone else while Kang has succeeded in his plot.
I actually didn't sail the high seas for your book just to support you. Your book was even mentioned in The Federalist for how good it is. Bravo Drinker!
Goddamn... It's hard to believe that Disney managed to fuck up giving MODOK a redeeming moment when they at the very least managed to do it for Skurge in Ragnarok. It proves to me that I'm not just feeling capeshit fatigue, the movies really are getting worse and everything points to them continuing to get worse.
I genuinely think that the ending, while sweet, was changed at the eleventh hour. There was a leak going around last summer which summarised Quantumania in accurate detail if you read it now. Instead of opening a portal back to Earth, the "Ant Fam" (another abandoned plot point) had Quantum wristwatches based on the devices Tony built in Endgame. These watches are fixed, and they go back to Earth, but Scott is left behind and Kang beats the shit out of him ala Thanos in Infinity War. Hope goes back for Scott, but this is what Kang wanted. He steals her Quantum device and escapes, leaving Scott and Hope stranded. Kang in Quantumania was going to be the main antagonist of The Kang Dynasty. With nobody remembering Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Doctor Strange in the Dark Dimension, Thor off on his own with Love and Ant-Man and Wasp trapped in the Quantum Realm, I can see why all the Phase 4 movies had the heroes out of action by the end. Then they abandoned this and said that Quantumania Kang was just a variant. This is how you shoot yourself in the foot.
@@timecage It irritated me to high heaven because Quantumania had the potential to be the best post Endgame movie next to No Way Home. The trailers stuck out because they implied it was going to take itself seriously. But not only that, but there was some cut discourse between Scott and Hope after Kang got away which I loved. He asks her why she came back. She tells him that she saw several different realities, but only one of them had him. That was so sweet and it annoyed me that they cut it out in favour of Scott's old boss being bad at baking.
@@ez6888"If that is your opinion, you are certainly entitled to it. If, however, you are looking for someone to confirm it for you... I'm afraid you'll have to look elsewhere." --- Peter David.
I can imagine that. I remember there being at least one good HULK comic back in the 80's where Hulk, unknowingly ruins Kang's plans, and he has no idea why this "stupid man with purple helmet that talks a lot can't LEAVE HULK ALONE!" And poor Kang was like, "Where did this green giant come from???"
Should've handled Kang like this: First 3 or 4 phase 5 flicks, he's near impossible to beat. Finally, he's beaten. But it was not easy. The big reveal after that moment? Oh, there's more of this very, very difficult threat. A LOT more. Set up phase 6. Kang, as currently presented, is all over the map
@@jasonstevens2701 SPOILERS (kinda): First the bad guys were these powerful aliens called the System lords. Our team fights against them over several seasons and sort off wins. Then these "prophets of the Ori" show up heralding the coming of the Ori, warning everyone around the galaxy to convert, worship them, and be saved. Ofc, people resist since most were forced to worship the powerful System lords. Now these prophets (who were gifted only a fraction of the Ori powers) perform these incredible deeds and crush any System lords they encounter with ease. Our guys can barely stay alive on the few occasions they butt heads with the prophets. Then, when they finally discover a way to stop the Ori arrival and come up with a plan, their plan fails and thousands of Ori with dozens of their capital (practically planet busting) ships come pouring into our galaxy.
In all honesty, it wouldnt have been a cliff hanger if ant man and wasp got stuck in the quantum realm, they've established its easy af to travel into it (end of the 2nd movie) and now seeing as how Ant(ifa) girl can make a quantum realm gps *IN A CAVE...WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!* ....
Are you telling me that frickin' Kang got defeated by frickin ants with frickin laser beams attached to their frickin heads? What. The. FRIIIIIIIIIIIIICK?!!!!
Good to see “Dark Harvest” is available in hardcover, Drinker. I wish you had more hardcover versions of the books available. My collection of your available paperbacks will have to do for now.
So The Wakanda Woman King has a teenage girl who invents a vibranium scanner in her bedroom and Ant-Man: The Quantum Menace has a teenage girl who invents a quantum scanner in her bedroom and they expect us to believe they did this in a world without Radio Shack?
I find the "Tron: Legacy" comparison intriguing. I have no plans on watching Ant-man 3 but I did see TL, and while a bad movie it wasn't the worst I've ever seen. In particular, production design and the soundtrack were both amazing.
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I think the drinker should start a new segment titled Public Service Announcement in which he serves us, the public, with the information on movies we should not bother wasting our money on.
I've been watching Scrubs for the first time. For those who've never watched it, you probably know it as either 'one of the most accurate reflections of hospital procedure and heirarchy' or 'comedy with Family Guy-style cutaway gags'. But it deftly balances the mix of humour and pathos. It can be 20 minutes of absurd jokes followed by a two-minute gut punch to round out the episode. But each part never gets in the other's way - the humour doesn't undercut the moments of sadness and reflection, and the sad parts don't stop it from being a comedy. Even if writing for television and films is different, it's amazing that Marvel doesn't understand that that balance between humour and moments for the audience to take a beat and feel other types of emotions is an enhancement that elevates the product as a whole.
So at this rate what will the new Avengers movie be? Thor, and Dr. Strange being nagged to death by female Black Panther, Iron Woman, Valkyrie, She Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Monica Rambeau, all while Hulk sits there like no they’re right we are toxic. I’m an ally.
A villain like Kang could work if he is treated like an indirect Agent Smith like cancer slowly infesting and taking over the *one* universe* with infinite hims I dont think Disney is skilled enough to handle the time travel/ multiverse elements so I argue they should just drop it now - its already collapsing There was a version of Modok -- I think in ultimate Alliance-- where his "giant head" was a computer screen projecting his face instead of a literal giant head. Would probably have been easier to take seriously
I dont know of any show that is. It just makes such a mess. Babylon 5 is the only show I have even seen even handle time travel well…and there was only one time travel event spaced out over 5 seasons (and seen from 3 perspectives and times).
These guys have probably already said it but, it’s super hard to establish stakes when there’s an infinite number of different versions of the same character. So what if you killed Thor, we can just get another one from this other universe and everything will be fine
Saw this with my brother a few days ago and he’s not in to critiquing films or anything like that but at times I could hear him whispering “Who wrote this script?” After the film I asked him what he thought and he said there’s soo many times where the characters who are supposed to all be genuses (except Scott) ask really stupid questions which we know they already know the answers to
Kang is the new Kylo Ren. Big bad who gets beat by the hero constantly, but somehow the audience is supposed to see him as some intimidating force. Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
8:45 "It's like trying to make a joke out of Vaders' death in Jedi." Vader: "Just for once, let me look on you with my own eyes." ~Luke removes his father's helmet, so he can die as a man, not as Darth Vader. He smiles weakly~ Vader: "Now go, my son." Luke: "I can't leave you here. I've got to save you." Vader: Both: "HAAAHAHAHAHAH!!"
All semblance of seriousness and taste went out the window when they showed MODOK’s ass. I mean, I had a solid gut laugh when he revealed his face (even though I knew it was coming), but the ass shot turned it from laughing at the film to feeling embarrassed on behalf of the movie and all involved.
this movie shoulda been a Scooby Doo type movie where Scott and the Lang Gang (Luis, etc. Cassie/Hope only make meaningful cameos) solve a seemingly low level mystery instead of a heist now since they're good guys that ultimately led to the discovery and reveal of The Conqueror as a villainous force arc throughout 3 Marvel movies. They coulda introduced him in ant-man 3, multiverse of madness coulda been released after antman 3 to show the force that the conqueror is as the main villain of that movie where he doesn't lose (let Wanda lose in WandaVision instead of MoM), then they coulda had him be defeated in the Fantastic Four movie to show that F4 is one of the top tier heroes and there would finally be a leader for the Avengers that we've been sorely missing and also so that audiences can have a little more time with Marvel's first family before the next 2 avengers movies. Then it could be revealed at the end of F4 that the Dynasty of Kang's is actually the big antagonistic force for the upcoming Avengers movies (released after a few more solo MCU movies/shows) after they see the potential threat that these groups of heroes can be to them after defeating The Conqueror if they all came together like the Dynasty of Kang's
One of my biggest issues is how the quantum realm just seems like random planet in space. Doesn't look like a quantum world just random guardians of the Galaxy. They had zero creativity in building the quantum realm.
In order to have high stakes again in MCU they had to lower expectations ( copium) , or ... the team that did phases 1-3 took a break after 10 years ( I include in that phase timeline SpiderMan nwh too cuz was planned and executed with those phases/story in mind, it was just edited for start of phase 4) and that would explain the silly/forced tone in this phase from tv to movies from writers and people who have no irl experience and just typed from behind a phone or pc all their life. That beeing said hope it goes better for the next phase.
Personally, I don't care if Disney ever goes back to making good movies or not. They could completely run out of money and universal respect and it wouldn't bother me in the least. They are beyond redemption.
The way Marvel movies are written is like if the village massacre scene in Platoon had William DaFoe say to Tom Berenger "I'm going to hit you in the head with a peanut butter sandwich".
One thing with Thanos was that unless you knew comics, you never knew ANYTHING about him, you never hardly saw him... He didn't DO anything except look intimidating!! Kang? No intimidation and they've LOST the mystique for him.,.. It's just NEVER gonna regain the "powerful presence". Even if they SOMEHOW make Kang really powerful, it's just not going to get the same "gravitas" now.
I agree with your assessment about just consume the product, and do not worry about the story. At the same time, I am wondering when did the audience become like that? I am not much of a fan of the Mandalorian because there is no development there. We know very little about this guy; he rarely takes his helmet off; and his vocal range is rather limited in range. Most of the droids in Star Wars have more personality than Din. Especially that poor little droid who gets branded on his feet in Jabba's palace. :( I am old enough to remember "classic" early 80s shows like Knight Rider, A-Team, Dukes of Hazzard, but I cannot say I was a real fan of any of these shows. Regardless, I do know enough about them to say that in general they were one off shows that did not have much of continuing narrative, and audiences seemed fine with that. What changed so that is no longer enough? I am sure there are multiple, complex reasons, but I think it is primarily that people have more options now so we are more demanding. Either that, or people are just cunts in general.
My 13 year old is the movie critic I lean on. After we watched it I asked his thoughts and he shrugged and said it was okay. Plus my wife feel asleep. My wife can fall asleep in a lot of movies but After Maverick she was pumped up on adrenaline. So audience score means something.
They some sorta major paradigm shift. Multi verses are sealed inaccessible. All advanced tech is made disabled. All vibranium is turned inert and useless. Something the ground the MCU back on Earth with no more fighting aliens in space and shit. They need to undo all the Deus Ex Machinas they've CANONICALLY established (time travel, Dr strange wish book, Thor wish dimension thing, the Eternals just technically always being present to pull out there ass and save the day whenever they eventually 'feel' like it)
I checked out your novel Dark Harvest and judging by the reviews it sounds like a zombie story if fans of WWZ will like it. 411 pages is immense! How long did it take you to publish it? As an aspiring author I'd like to know, I'm currently writing a zombie story as well.
It could have been good. That's the frustrating part. Just make Cassie not a jerk and have MODOK actually be creepy. Those two big changes would have made it a popcorn movie. Just good dumb fun. But now it's dumb and annoying.
2.5x budget is the Hollywood rule. So if $200M is an honest number, this would have to earn $500M to break even. And on the day we saw it, my daughter did indeed say "TRON!"
Add to that the fact you're now supposed to watch half a dozen different tv series, books, comics to try and understand what is happening in the movie, and to cover any plot holes. I haven't got the money, time or interest for that.
Have to disagree, sure for some people if the MCU stayed as good as it was before Phase 3, they'd still be watching the movies for sure, but others (myself included) are just tired of the amount of hero productions that are being produced. Hell, I have a friend who cannot stop nagging me to watch Invincible, and while I can admit the show is good (watched the first few chapters), I just don't care anymore about this genre, and I'm a comics fan since my childhood.
I didn't bother watching because I'm just checked out of the MCU completely. There is one thing and it's what the heck happened to Janet's powers? I've seen no one bring this up and those powers could've been expanded on and explained while also being useful in stopping Kang. Also if she had powers due to being in the Quantum Realm for so long then why doesn't Kang have powers since he's been in their for a long time also? It really doesn't seem like they planned anything out nor have any plan for any of phase 4 and beyond.
Them laughing at modok after he saved the day is equal to the boy and his mother laughing at the t800 while it kills itself at the end of every movie after having saved the day. JUST IMAGINE HOW FUCKING SHIT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN.
@@chasehedges6775 That film was worth watching for the soundtrack alone. Basically, without the soundtrack it would be hot garbage, but the soundtrack made it kinda stylish and fun. (Props Daft Punk)
Mauler, there was no writer hahaa! More writers. This film was like handing a blank book with only page nunbers to an individual writer, saying they can only write on pages X through Y and they cannot see what the other writers have written in this book then handing it to the next writer. TL:DR - A total cluster f-
My theater was crowded for Ant-Man 3 but was opening night Thursday at an IMAX theater in the greater New York City metro area. I think after opening weekend, it was nowhere near that opening night capacity.
In ten minutes of this video, the various motivations of the characters are discussed, improved and rewritten to a higher level of intrigue that is far superior to that from the actual movie. Hire these guys to handle the MCU - they are the writers’ room solution.
The MCU suffers from the same syndrome that comics in general eventually succumbed to. The stakes have become so ridiculous that it's lost any sense of connection to the average person. I mean, this stuff obviously requires a healthy dose of suspension of disbelief, but when saving the universe becomes old hat, and so now you have to create infinite numbers of universes, people's eyes just start glazing over. Problem is, Disney/Marvel has compounded this problem with all of the insufferable woke bullshit, rendering the entire mess unwatchable. I haven't seen Quantumania, nor will I. As far as I'm concerned, the MCU ended with End Game.
The entire movie from concept to screenplay is pointless. It serves no purpose, doesn't advance the narrative, doesn't compel audiences to come and watch. Marvel is now a zombie franchise. Dead man walking
Marvel faces it's greatest foe: diminishing returns.
Indifference.
@@JamesLaserpimpWalsh Apathy is death
It's just basic economics. You receive less and less satisfaction as you consume more and more
@@Darkstar_Dayne Or just find good product(Gladiator 2000) and watch that instead
Writers who worked on Rick and morty and can't take critisum ???
Oh god… thanks Drinker for making me imagine Darth Vader’s death written by modern MCU writers. I can see Vader coughing up blood, saying “atleast I died a jedi” and then Luke like looks around awkwardly, smiling as his dad coughs up blood, and sarcastically responds like “yeah… you’re a jedi alright”. And then Chewbacca does some random wacky thing to make the kids in the audience laugh, like farts or something.
1983 got it right
@@theviewbot 👍👍
And then, as the Millenium Falcon flies away from the exploding Death Star, Lando turns and says, "Well, that happened!" as Nien Nunb laughs.
Closing scene of Kung Fury...
Chewbacca farting cracked me up ngl
They broke a cardinal sin; show don’t tell.
We were told Kang has killed multiple avengers multiple times. We were told he could destroy entire timelines, entire universes. We were told he’s basically omnipotent, that he masters time and space. We were told his ship, with the power source is all he needs.
But then we were showed Kang who shoots lasers at random non-super powered freedom fighters and can kill like a few regular people at a time, not someone who’s powerful enough to kill Thor. We were showed Kang getting the power source for his ship, then instead of leaving instantly, he try’s to bring this massive other ship with him, and gets defeated (why does he need this massive other ship when he controls time and space?). We are showed Kang being defeated by giant ants, then Scott Lang’s literal average human strength (without his suit or powers).
Not only didn’t they tell instead of show. But they showed us a contradiction of what they were trying to tell us. Not even as a plot device.
The most blatant mistake you can make
I like that last part. Scott fucking Lang, as much of an average Joe as they come, actually went toe to toe with Kang and didn't get obliterated. So awful.
Look, they literally killed half the Avengers in the last big movie. Half of them dead. Not to mention the universe. How are they going to top that, kill half the multiverse? How would you even notice if half infinity is dead?
Also when Janet's opened the portal! Why doesn't Kang let them All go home? Coz Now he's got his Ship and can go kill there World and The Council of Kangs!
This has been what they have been doing in Marvel for quite some time. You are told She-Hulk is a great lawyer but then they show her making really basic and stupid blunders in the courtroom.
It would be quite horribly ironic if Disney spent 71 billion dollars to acquire X-men and Fantastic Four…and rather then use the IP immediately and effectively, they sit on them too long to the point audiences lose interest.
Apparently the fox contracts technically don’t end till 2025/2026. That’s why they haven’t casted or had any X Men/F4 movies. Also why u have Hugh Jackman coming back in Deadpool 3 & Patrick Stewart as Professor X in Multiverse of Madness
Bullshit I know
@@alazkaalazka6087 So the 71 billion dollars didn't include the contracts for the film IPs they wanted? How the heck does that work? What's the point of buying a company you can't use for the better part of a decade afterwards?
@@whitworth5s248 idk how this works. At first I thought the story was bullshit but as more time passes the more I believe it. Especially since they still haven’t casted or announced any X-Men or F4 movies. I think the fox actors were probably guaranteed a certain amount of movies or years on there deal & instead of buying out there contracts I guess Disney would rather let them expire.
Sadly this all makes sense. And in 2019 in the era of cheap credit, they probably thought they could wait it out. Now sadly they don’t have cheap credit anymore, just lots of debt.
@@alazkaalazka6087 That doesn't sound right because Fox wouldn't have had to kill their X-men franchise when Disney bought them if they still had them for a few more years. But once they did they just kind of gave up on it with Dark Pheonix being the last and it's clear they didn't care anymore because they knew it couldn't be followed up on. They can recast characters whenever they want, that's what they did with Ruffalo Hulk, Cheadle Rhodey Tom Holland Spidey, etc. Jackman isn't under contract to do any more X-men films with Fox he did them all. Deadpool was a new contract.
Disney did the unforgivable in Quantumania: they tarnished the wholesome father and daughter relationship between Scott Lang and Cassie.
That’s my biggest problem with the movie. There was an interesting story in there about Scott having to decide between doing the right thing, or keeping Cassie safe. But it turned into Cassie lecturing him, and Scott just standing there taking it.
“There’s nothing to latch onto or care about in this.”
Nailed it
I like John Walker
@@gianthand8130 I liked the actor but the character is a blank hole
He didn't just get defeated by ants. He got defeated by SoCiALisT™ ants 😱
😂😂😂😂😂.
Maybe they were SoCal Ants... you know, from Southern California.
@@TheRealNormanBates I think that’s still the same thing.
Why’d you even watch this? 😂
Did you put money down?
I’d sooner buy an underwater hairdryer
@@TheRealNormanBates If I had to pick an animal to represent California it wouldn't be ants, it would be plague rats.
That horrifying Modok image is the best thing the MCU has ever produced.
lmao im in tears
I want Brie Larson as the new more inclusive Modok.
Cassie lang is a dick. I cant stand her to be pretend like a real superheroes. Bad acting, with a rebellious low moral.
I wonder if that's what they were shooting for with the Fiege-bot in She-Hulk.
You could give an entire classroom nightmares with that picture.
Even Lovecraft would gaze at it and say: "why didn't I think of this when I lived?"
The reason Thanos worked as an overarching villain was because whenever the heroes thwarted Thanos's efforts to gain the Infinity Stones in movies Pre-Infinity War, they weren't thwarting Thanos himself, but someone working for him (Loki in Avengers 1, Ronan in Guardians 1). And Thanos was treated like a big deal, his screen time limited throughout the MCU until Infinity War where he goes on the warpath against the heroes and accomplished his ultimate goal in one fell swoop.
(Edit) And adding on to this, later into the video they mentioned the ridiculousness of Kang's plan, and I'll add on to my greater point in that Thanos's goals were easy to understand, if grandiose: The Infinity Stones were the perfect MacGuffins to use to tie the ongoing MCU narrative together while also being tangible markers of how close Thanos is to his goals, what he has to do to achieve them, and the potential conflicts with the heroes that can occur. All this multiverse stuff with Kang seemingly has no rules, and thus, it's harder to conceive of the scale of his goals and what he has to do in upcoming films to get closer to those goals.
What they're doing with Kang currently feels like if Thanos had led the Chitauri invasion in Avengers 1, the Avengers had defeated him as easily as they did Loki, but the writers still wanted to build him up as a huge, insurmountable threat. What a waste.
To sumerize this up, with Thanos they used "Show don't tell", Thanos was terrifying in his first 5 minutes he oneshoted Thor and Hulk and killed Loki.
But with Kang they did "Tell don't show " everyone said that Kang is dangerous and all but I don't know why
@@luc7478 yeah, right.. the guy boasts that he killed Thor without even knowing his name, only to get kicked into a McGuffin by the Wasp and die. Same in Loki - gets wasted in a few moments after he apears. I get that they are different variants and all, but I just can't seem to take Kang seriously after seeing the man get killed twice by the female reiterations of B-list characters. I guess Feige is so up his ass with the fame these days that he has no idea how ridiculous is this setup they are doing for Phase V
I think what they should have done was split Phase 3 into two parts, So Part A one goes upto Infinity War, then they should have done a few films based during the Blip, maybe have a couple of TV series in there as well, while hinting at Kang the Conqueror to slowly start the threat.
Part B would start with Ant-Man and the Wasp, which could have been used more to set up the quantum realm where you could have introduced a Kang variant, and it would be the setup for Phase 4/5. I would have done the Hawk Eye show during this phase to show him at his lowest when he lost his family to the blip, show how much the world/universe got screwed with half of life wiped out. Also this is where I would have a Black Widow film as well. Maybe introduce a few other Marvel characters but at a more local level helping where they live. Then I would end Phase 3B with Endgame
@@namugriff They're too limited by physical actors to have done that unfortunately. They get older, or don't want to do it anymore or, in the case of Chadwick Boseman, die. Look how badly them wanting to hold off on Tchalla to save him as one of the pillars of the next phase bit them in the ass when they didn't end up making the most of Boseman while they still had him. It's not like they knew he was going to die, but they just assumed he'd be around for more films in a couple years and they were dead wrong on that. You just can't really bank on the idea that they can bench a character for a few years and the actor will be able to hop back into it afterwards just like they were before.
I can sort of see what they're trying to do with Kang to not just make him Thanos 2.0. Since Thanos was limited in appearance and didn't do anything really until IW, with Kang they're making use of him being multiversal to have him be an antagonist multiple times to contrast with how they did Thanos. Problem is they're doing badly and it just kind of makes Kang look like a loser.
Fans: "They ruined my Favorite Characters"
Disney: "I did naught! Mr Modok, send them to the twitter office and have them exPelled!"
*"YOU'RE IN MY SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM! NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! I KNOW EVERYTHING! AND YOU.....KNOW NOTHING!"*
In Loki, the TVA has a drawer full of Infinity Stones just lying around. Kang runs the TVA. That's the problem with stupid writers. You can't set up a guy as a multiversal threat who sees Infinity Stones as insignificant, who destroys timelines, but his force field can't repel ants. They already did the "oh no we've killed the one Kang keeping the other Kangs at bay" in Loki anyway.
And that's the problem too with characters whose schtick is that they're extremely intelligent, such as Reed Richards, Dr Doom, or Batman - they can only be as smart as the writers, who usually aren't. The version of Reed in Doctor Strange 2 was an absolute moron, and not since the Adam West Batman series has he been shown as a detective, which is what 'DC' stands for - Detective Comics.
Tennessee Valley Authority?
@@Magneticlaw The Batman (2022) kind of showed us a detective batman again
Exactly. Kang never should've been defeated in his first film like that. He should've been the type of threat that you don't defeat, you survive.
Ant-Man should've went to get the other Avengers to warn them of Kang, and eventually fight him.
The perfect setup is that Kang comes from a point in the future, where his technology is so advanced that it's almost indistinguishable from superpowers.
He should've been seemingly unbeatable, until the Avengers (down the road) figure out a way to hurt him significantly for the first time as the story progressed.
@@matthewlincoln8194
Much like Thanos, Kang should be bulldozing real heroes and opponents with moderate ease. He should have been more like Wanda in Multiverse of Madness bricking the most powerful heroes in each timeline. Disney Marvel has only succeeded in delivering a milquetoast villain who couldn't defeat the weakest of the "Avengers".
This is a repeating theme for Disney recall the new Star Wars Trilogy, Rey (Mary Sue) defeats a battle tested Sith Warrior easily and out duels him on every level. There is no threat from a villain that can be handily defeated by someone with zero training. Hence why there was no emotional buy in nor "suspension of disbelief" threat from the "villain" he had been defeated in the first film easily.
Conversely, Darth Vader is truly scary and not a fool. He showed a taste of his power in the conference room with the Imperial Officer and he defeats the only Jedi we know of at that point. When Luke faces him for the first time Vader mops the floor with him, it isn't even close. Yoda's warnings that he wasn't prepared resonated with the audience. That is what made the final duel in the throne room so much more intense, we all knew Luke/rebels would win, but it was costly for Luke on multiple levels and made him realize how close he was to following his father's path.
I just talked with a friend who said this was his favourite of the Ant-Man films (he hasn’t rewatched any of them btw). And you know what I noticed? The people who like this era of marvel can’t even tell you _why_ they like it. They’ll repeat a line they thought was funny, or say they like one of the actors, and that’s basically it. No critical thinking, no artistic appreciation. Maybe a mention of the special effects, but that’s as deep as it goes. This is the level of consumer that’s been sustaining the MCU. But with every movie there’s fewer and fewer of them. They’re getting bored.
Lol that's all marvel is now. A quippy stupid joke
I know what you mean. I cringe to think if I would have been like that if I were a teenager again.
People want a familiar warm and fuzzy feeling as though they’re part of a community, especially when we’re young and confused. We wanna belong (but we’re not aware of it).
On 16th May 2002 my friends and I sat an English exam in high school and then immediately raced into the city to watch Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones straight after.
It’s as though logically I knew it was lame, especially with the Yoda fight scene, but my emotional need for validation as part of my friend group and just my commitment to this brand gave me comfort. It’s a phenomenon but it’s real.
A generation from now, most of us will forget this crap. I already don’t bother with Phase 1-3, as much as I enjoyed them. It’s meant to be left behind and you’ll see what I mean sooner or later
You need better friends 😉😆
@@sstrykert He saves me so much money! I just ask him what he thinks of a movie, and if he likes it I know to avoid it 🤣
Joking aside he’s a good dude, and we still agree on a lot of things. Movies just aren’t one of them.
yeah there’s a ton of those kinda folks who can’t explain it but personally the movie wasn’t the worst and i had more fun watching it than Antman and the Wasp but i can definitely see why this isn’t doing as well. it could’ve been so much better
I've got a friend who worked on it and invited me to the crew premier. We met up and he said "Shall we just go to the pub instead? It''s s**t" So we just ended up going to the pub. He said writers just sit around on set making up scenes as they go.
And yet mcu stans still defend this garbage
You’re a liar!
And then everybody in the pub clapped.
Lies
@@ronwatson6637 Denial is the most predictable first line of defence against uncomfortable truths 😁
I surprisingly enjoyed the first Ant-man quite a bit, its a shame what they've done with the character, as talented as Paul Rudd is, even he can't save bad writing.
The things that worked in the first Antman was stuff created by Edgar Wright before he left the project. He didn’t care about the whole multiverse and wanted his movie to be a stand alone thing.
The writing has completely turned into shhh. I wonder what happened
I work at a movie theater. We have like 6 showings of Ant Man during my shifts, and maybe 1 of those showings has enough people to fill up a garbage can.
Meanwhile, Cocaine Bear is selling out its theaters big time.
LMFAOO same here bro, I worked yesterday and literally no one came to see ant man
Because it’s entertaining and not Woke propaganda.
Have you seen Cocaine Bear yet? If so, is it worth the price of admission? Haven't seen a movie in theaters in ages, but I'm considering going to see that one, just for the sheer absurd entertainment.
@@NotALot-xm6gz imagine a movie about a bear that gets high on cocaine and goes Ape shit is more popular and entertaining than a movie that probably spent 50 million just on CGI FX, that's part of a franchise that spans more than 2 decades
Who could resist a bear on cocaine?
You just described Kang in the comics.
Every time he appears, he is crapped on and beaten.
Never has been, never will be, a Thanos level threat.
I remember him actively avoiding thanos as well lol
He was actually even a minion of Thanos at one point.
You're right. Kang isn't a Thanos level threat. This guy just needs to go away already because Doom is the best character to come in and be seen as a genuine Thanos level threat. That guy actually became a God and found it boring.
I guess you never read Kang Dynasty when he cannonically nuked Washington DC and defeated/enslaved the Avengers. Of course he was eventually defeated but he did win for awhile there.
Well blame Disney for that, they even announce that there will a Dynasty of Kings. Because he was too powerful to be in a few marvel movies.
The issue that’s been plauging Marvel is that they aren’t taking the Right Risks. Iron man was a huge risk for them, and it worked because it truly wasn’t like anything else at the time.
Since then Marvel has slowly and slowly devolved into a more safe formula and refuses to change. They originally wanted to focus on more Horror elements, but obviously they back tracked on it because they didn’t want to commit to that idea.
Iron Man 1 is still the best of the MCU, along with Captain America 2 and 3 and Infinity War
Marvel is definitely going downhill
Don't think to much about it, it's really just bad writing, bad choices, bad vfx, unnecessary woke
@@ggadams639👍👍👍
Think Winter Solider - quite a change to the formula, more dark and serious with mature themes and minimal comedy. Arguably the best in the MCU.
I know this is a bit off topic, but I really wish that Hulk's snap had brought back to life the "even greater threat than Thanos". An after-credit clip could have been shown this entity un-blipping, and perhaps sensing where in the universe this enormous surge of power came from, leading to us being directly back in harm's way. Oh well.
That's a really good idea. It would have foreshadowed the next phase, and given a sense of foreboding for the next Big Threat.
That would have been really good… how the hell did no one at Marvel think of that!!!
Dang! That's good!
YOU need to be writing this stuff!!
@@thomaslynch7838 Because they were too busy thinking which failed female replacements from the comics they could use and then scream, "But it was in the comics, so it's cannon you bigot!"
I thought the blip would have brought around the Beyonder from Secret Wars.
"This movie in my opinion had a lot of potential. Nothing more exemplifies this than MODOK. Having him be Darren was an interesting take and could have set him up to be a terrifying villain. He’s been trapped in the Quantum Realm for who knows how long, and Scott’s the one who put him there. He already didn’t like the Pym’s and stole Hank’s company. He is greedy and power-hungry, and he should want revenge on Scott. The setup was there, and then he took off his mask, and I saw a face that while being executed well on a technical level, looks completely ridiculous. It’s no wonder they killed him off, because every time Darren’s stretched-out face and ass (yes, his ass is in the movie), I nearly burst out laughing. Instead of a threat, MODOK was a punchline because of the execution. There are moments where he’s genuinely threatening and he almost killed Hank, but Marvel couldn’t help themselves. Finally, after Cassie told him to stop being a dick, he has his character arc and kills himself. What a waste."
An absolute missed opportunity for both Corey Stoll to chew up the scenery even harder as he did and the first Ant-Man, and hammer home the emotional impact of his fate. Why can't the MCU go back to being subtle and emotionally effecting?
@@juangiorno7480 None of that matters. They have the last laugh cos you and these other drooling morons paid money to watch this. Marvel will always have the last laugh so long as you continue to enable them
TONY STARK MADE A GREAT MOVIE IN A CAVE!!🤣🤣🤣
WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!
@@streetsbehind247 Kevin Feige: “Im sorry but… Im not Tony Stark.”
@@chasehedges6775 😂😂😂
@@Arrowhead1972🙏
@@chasehedges6775 Tony Stark: "Not a great plan"🥃
The longer Marvel drags on like this, the more Martin Scorsese is proven right.
The running joke at work is Cocaine Bear mauled Antman, then Creed came in and delivered the K.O.
Paul Rudd is an amazing actor and part of me dies inside every time i see him in a new antman movie.
He is fine being ant-man but they failed on this one.
He's making serious money. Don't worry for him.
so part of you has died inside 3 times? And Paul Rudd is "Amazing"??? You must have missed 'Our Idiot Brother'
I don't go to the movies much anymore. I just watch reaction channels' reviews. 🤣.
Thanks Drinker, Jeremy Jahns, Dan Murrell, Honest Trailers, and Pitch Meeting. ✌🏽
Kang in the comics: solos all the Avengers with ease regularly, has technology from the end of history, direct descendant of the smartest human to ever exist, is the only being who can alter history without any repercussions, and has conquered countless worlds throughout the universe.
Kang in the MCU: *gets his ass kicked by ants with frickin' laserbeams*
A friend of mine has a saying "If it's predictable, it's preventable". I think the producers of this and most other recent Marvel movies should learn and heed that saying.
The Little Platoon: It’s basically Tron Legacy
Everyone else: it’s spy kids 3
Fr. It's pretty much Spy Kids 3 that had a cameo of Mr. Electric from Sharkboy and Lavagirl.
I love Tron Legacy. Yes, it has its flaws but it was a sincere attempt to make a good film by pre-woke Disney, amaizng visuals (sans de-ageing on Bridges), Olivia Wilde when she was still o-la-la, and a killer soundtrack by DP. I guess enough years have passed for AM3 producers to think we've all forgotten T:L.
Unfortunately Disney will shit on Legacy with it's proposed sequel starring Jared Leto and a nobody director...
Tron Legacy had some Leftist non-sense in it too. The good guy thinks everybody should get the operating system for free when it cost hundreds of millions to make. Thats Grade A woke Leftist non-sense. Further still the " new life" that was created in the system is the same non-sense of how our universe came to be- " It just happened because things randomly lined up fell into place". There was other stuff too I can't even remember.
The plot should have been Kang easily stopping a series of plans that the heroes attempt. Kang basically says that he’s done this with them many times because he’s a time lord, so they have to pull the whole we need to do something completely random (kind of like part of the movie Push). Then you could include a few randomly enlarging ants that have lasers. Kang still keeps the upper hand, heroes barely escape and now realize they need to warn everyone else while Kang has succeeded in his plot.
This^ should have been the movie.
Im sure Mauler appreciates Ant-Man 3 being mauled by Cocaine Bear
The designs and CGI really does make it feel like Spy Kids.
I actually didn't sail the high seas for your book just to support you. Your book was even mentioned in The Federalist for how good it is. Bravo Drinker!
When Thanos snapped happened 90% of the disney/marvel creative talent also disappeared....and never returned 🗑🗑🗑
Goddamn... It's hard to believe that Disney managed to fuck up giving MODOK a redeeming moment when they at the very least managed to do it for Skurge in Ragnarok. It proves to me that I'm not just feeling capeshit fatigue, the movies really are getting worse and everything points to them continuing to get worse.
I genuinely think that the ending, while sweet, was changed at the eleventh hour. There was a leak going around last summer which summarised Quantumania in accurate detail if you read it now.
Instead of opening a portal back to Earth, the "Ant Fam" (another abandoned plot point) had Quantum wristwatches based on the devices Tony built in Endgame. These watches are fixed, and they go back to Earth, but Scott is left behind and Kang beats the shit out of him ala Thanos in Infinity War.
Hope goes back for Scott, but this is what Kang wanted. He steals her Quantum device and escapes, leaving Scott and Hope stranded.
Kang in Quantumania was going to be the main antagonist of The Kang Dynasty. With nobody remembering Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Doctor Strange in the Dark Dimension, Thor off on his own with Love and Ant-Man and Wasp trapped in the Quantum Realm, I can see why all the Phase 4 movies had the heroes out of action by the end.
Then they abandoned this and said that Quantumania Kang was just a variant. This is how you shoot yourself in the foot.
This would've actually been an interesting development. So of course they cancelled it.
@@timecage It irritated me to high heaven because Quantumania had the potential to be the best post Endgame movie next to No Way Home. The trailers stuck out because they implied it was going to take itself seriously.
But not only that, but there was some cut discourse between Scott and Hope after Kang got away which I loved. He asks her why she came back. She tells him that she saw several different realities, but only one of them had him.
That was so sweet and it annoyed me that they cut it out in favour of Scott's old boss being bad at baking.
@@dannypalin9583 NWH was garbage.
@@ez6888 Your opinion's garbage.
@@ez6888"If that is your opinion, you are certainly entitled to it. If, however, you are looking for someone to confirm it for you... I'm afraid you'll have to look elsewhere."
--- Peter David.
Imagine doing Kang the Conqueror with no Fantastic Four.
Yeah......
If they would've went that way, then the fantastic four will be black.
I can imagine that. I remember there being at least one good HULK comic back in the 80's where Hulk, unknowingly ruins Kang's plans, and he has no idea why this "stupid man with purple helmet that talks a lot can't LEAVE HULK ALONE!"
And poor Kang was like, "Where did this green giant come from???"
Endgame was the end. I'll say it to today and I'll say it tomorrow.
Endgame was mediocre and the reason phase 4 and 5 exist AT ALL!
Infinity War was the end
@@chasehedges6775 If you like nihilistic ending, then yes.
I really liked both spider man movies after endgame, but otherwise yes
I wish I could say that but that would leave of our Far From Home and No Way Home
@@evertonporter7887 it’s not about nihilistic endings. It’s the fact that it was a good movie. Endgame was shit.
Should've handled Kang like this:
First 3 or 4 phase 5 flicks, he's near impossible to beat. Finally, he's beaten. But it was not easy. The big reveal after that moment? Oh, there's more of this very, very difficult threat. A LOT more. Set up phase 6. Kang, as currently presented, is all over the map
That sounds a lot like the Ori from Stargate.
@@doihavetobeg I have actually never watched Stargate and now I'm very curious
@@jasonstevens2701 SPOILERS (kinda):
First the bad guys were these powerful aliens called the System lords. Our team fights against them over several seasons and sort off wins. Then these "prophets of the Ori" show up heralding the coming of the Ori, warning everyone around the galaxy to convert, worship them, and be saved. Ofc, people resist since most were forced to worship the powerful System lords. Now these prophets (who were gifted only a fraction of the Ori powers) perform these incredible deeds and crush any System lords they encounter with ease. Our guys can barely stay alive on the few occasions they butt heads with the prophets. Then, when they finally discover a way to stop the Ori arrival and come up with a plan, their plan fails and thousands of Ori with dozens of their capital (practically planet busting) ships come pouring into our galaxy.
Now I'm definitely intrigued. I will check it out. Thanks so much!
I still wish we could have seen Ant-Man by Edgar Wright.
Would’ve been top 5 greatest comic book movies ever. That’s why Feige had to interfere. The humor actually would’ve been incredible
Casting Paul Rudd as Ant-Man was Wright's idea. That's all the evidence you need that Wright should have helmed all three movies.
*MCU Writers:* "KANG IS SO SCARY GUYS!"
*gets defeated by ants*
Thanos is using his plan against Disney’s Box Office takings.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
We went to see A3 even though we knew it was terrible. However, at the cinema, my sons said - 'dad can we see Cocaine Bear instead'
Me and my son did cocaine off a bear and watched A3 together
In all honesty, it wouldnt have been a cliff hanger if ant man and wasp got stuck in the quantum realm, they've established its easy af to travel into it (end of the 2nd movie) and now seeing as how Ant(ifa) girl can make a quantum realm gps *IN A CAVE...WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!* ....
Are you telling me that frickin' Kang got defeated by frickin ants with frickin laser beams attached to their frickin heads?
What. The. FRIIIIIIIIIIIIICK?!!!!
Modok made green lantern's Hector Hammond look good. At least he was scary and threatening.
Good to see “Dark Harvest” is available in hardcover, Drinker. I wish you had more hardcover versions of the books available. My collection of your available paperbacks will have to do for now.
He has other books?
@@jimthar17 quite a few and they are all great.
Animated LittlePlatoon freaks me out.
The Hollywood reporter says it has to do $727 million to break even.
I find it hard to believe that a movie needs 200 million for marketing.
4 of my favourite youtubers shit talking antman 3, couldn't ask for more.
So The Wakanda Woman King has a teenage girl who invents a vibranium scanner in her bedroom and Ant-Man: The Quantum Menace has a teenage girl who invents a quantum scanner in her bedroom and they expect us to believe they did this in a world without Radio Shack?
Hurl Power!
I find the "Tron: Legacy" comparison intriguing. I have no plans on watching Ant-man 3 but I did see TL, and while a bad movie it wasn't the worst I've ever seen. In particular, production design and the soundtrack were both amazing.
Tron Legacy is visually stunning. I’m completely obsessed with how the movie looks. The soundtrack is the best part. The acting is stiff and the story is weak. But again the soundtrack and cinematography 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Compared to what Disney’s pumping out now, that movie was a masterpiece from a bygone era
Tron Legacy was bad?! I thought it was awesome. Visuals and themes it touched were really good
Tron: legacy was made by the same director who brought oblivion and top gun Maverick so obviously is a good movie.
I think the drinker should start a new segment titled Public Service Announcement in which he serves us, the public, with the information on movies we should not bother wasting our money on.
I've been watching Scrubs for the first time. For those who've never watched it, you probably know it as either 'one of the most accurate reflections of hospital procedure and heirarchy' or 'comedy with Family Guy-style cutaway gags'. But it deftly balances the mix of humour and pathos. It can be 20 minutes of absurd jokes followed by a two-minute gut punch to round out the episode. But each part never gets in the other's way - the humour doesn't undercut the moments of sadness and reflection, and the sad parts don't stop it from being a comedy.
Even if writing for television and films is different, it's amazing that Marvel doesn't understand that that balance between humour and moments for the audience to take a beat and feel other types of emotions is an enhancement that elevates the product as a whole.
So at this rate what will the new Avengers movie be? Thor, and Dr. Strange being nagged to death by female Black Panther, Iron Woman, Valkyrie, She Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Monica Rambeau, all while Hulk sits there like no they’re right we are toxic. I’m an ally.
A villain like Kang could work if he is treated like an indirect Agent Smith like cancer slowly infesting and taking over the *one* universe* with infinite hims
I dont think Disney is skilled enough to handle the time travel/ multiverse elements so I argue they should just drop it now - its already collapsing
There was a version of Modok -- I think in ultimate Alliance-- where his "giant head" was a computer screen projecting his face instead of a literal giant head. Would probably have been easier to take seriously
I dont know of any show that is. It just makes such a mess. Babylon 5 is the only show I have even seen even handle time travel well…and there was only one time travel event spaced out over 5 seasons (and seen from 3 perspectives and times).
These guys have probably already said it but, it’s super hard to establish stakes when there’s an infinite number of different versions of the same character. So what if you killed Thor, we can just get another one from this other universe and everything will be fine
Saw this with my brother a few days ago and he’s not in to critiquing films or anything like that but at times I could hear him whispering “Who wrote this script?”
After the film I asked him what he thought and he said there’s soo many times where the characters who are supposed to all be genuses (except Scott) ask really stupid questions which we know they already know the answers to
They made a joke of the Mandarin two times and Modok was meant to be hanging around the Mandarin to turn him back to normal with his rings
Kang is the new Kylo Ren. Big bad who gets beat by the hero constantly, but somehow the audience is supposed to see him as some intimidating force. Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
Both "villians" were trash.
8:45 "It's like trying to make a joke out of Vaders' death in Jedi."
Vader: "Just for once, let me look on you with my own eyes."
~Luke removes his father's helmet, so he can die as a man, not as Darth Vader. He smiles weakly~
Vader: "Now go, my son."
Luke: "I can't leave you here. I've got to save you."
Vader:
Both: "HAAAHAHAHAHAH!!"
~Luke sees Vader's face for the first time~
Luke: "I'm glad I took after mother"
Vader: "Yeah..."
All semblance of seriousness and taste went out the window when they showed MODOK’s ass. I mean, I had a solid gut laugh when he revealed his face (even though I knew it was coming), but the ass shot turned it from laughing at the film to feeling embarrassed on behalf of the movie and all involved.
this movie shoulda been a Scooby Doo type movie where Scott and the Lang Gang (Luis, etc. Cassie/Hope only make meaningful cameos) solve a seemingly low level mystery instead of a heist now since they're good guys that ultimately led to the discovery and reveal of The Conqueror as a villainous force arc throughout 3 Marvel movies. They coulda introduced him in ant-man 3, multiverse of madness coulda been released after antman 3 to show the force that the conqueror is as the main villain of that movie where he doesn't lose (let Wanda lose in WandaVision instead of MoM), then they coulda had him be defeated in the Fantastic Four movie to show that F4 is one of the top tier heroes and there would finally be a leader for the Avengers that we've been sorely missing and also so that audiences can have a little more time with Marvel's first family before the next 2 avengers movies. Then it could be revealed at the end of F4 that the Dynasty of Kang's is actually the big antagonistic force for the upcoming Avengers movies (released after a few more solo MCU movies/shows) after they see the potential threat that these groups of heroes can be to them after defeating The Conqueror if they all came together like the Dynasty of Kang's
The new DnD movie looks like a Marvel clone. Antman 3 vibes.
Back in the old days I would have avoided the internet to avoid spoilers. Now I seek out the spoilers to confirm that I hadn't missed anything.
One of my biggest issues is how the quantum realm just seems like random planet in space. Doesn't look like a quantum world just random guardians of the Galaxy. They had zero creativity in building the quantum realm.
They could've at least try to be creative by making all the not-aliens look more like amoeba or something
Fun fact, Tron legacy was written by the actor who played Kirby in Frasier.
In order to have high stakes again in MCU they had to lower expectations ( copium) , or ... the team that did phases 1-3 took a break after 10 years ( I include in that phase timeline SpiderMan nwh too cuz was planned and executed with those phases/story in mind, it was just edited for start of phase 4) and that would explain the silly/forced tone in this phase from tv to movies from writers and people who have no irl experience and just typed from behind a phone or pc all their life.
That beeing said hope it goes better for the next phase.
Personally, I don't care if Disney ever goes back to making good movies or not. They could completely run out of money and universal respect and it wouldn't bother me in the least. They are beyond redemption.
The way Marvel movies are written is like if the village massacre scene in Platoon had William DaFoe say to Tom Berenger "I'm going to hit you in the head with a peanut butter sandwich".
Well, _that_ was randomly specific.
One thing with Thanos was that unless you knew comics, you never knew ANYTHING about him, you never hardly saw him... He didn't DO anything except look intimidating!! Kang? No intimidation and they've LOST the mystique for him.,.. It's just NEVER gonna regain the "powerful presence". Even if they SOMEHOW make Kang really powerful, it's just not going to get the same "gravitas" now.
Yeah. I can't really be expected to know the backstory of all these characters. Batman Superman Joker OK
I agree with your assessment about just consume the product, and do not worry about the story. At the same time, I am wondering when did the audience become like that?
I am not much of a fan of the Mandalorian because there is no development there. We know very little about this guy; he rarely takes his helmet off; and his vocal range is rather limited in range. Most of the droids in Star Wars have more personality than Din. Especially that poor little droid who gets branded on his feet in Jabba's palace. :(
I am old enough to remember "classic" early 80s shows like Knight Rider, A-Team, Dukes of Hazzard, but I cannot say I was a real fan of any of these shows. Regardless, I do know enough about them to say that in general they were one off shows that did not have much of continuing narrative, and audiences seemed fine with that. What changed so that is no longer enough? I am sure there are multiple, complex reasons, but I think it is primarily that people have more options now so we are more demanding. Either that, or people are just cunts in general.
My 13 year old is the movie critic I lean on. After we watched it I asked his thoughts and he shrugged and said it was okay. Plus my wife feel asleep. My wife can fall asleep in a lot of movies but After Maverick she was pumped up on adrenaline. So audience score means something.
Well, that’s another 2 hours of my life that you’ve all saved me wasting.
And entertained us infinitely more in a few minutes, and FOR FREE!
Marvel Phase 5 is like the lingering little poos that come out after the main dump (Phase 4)
The laser ants reminded me of the sharks with lasers on their heads in Austin powers.
What does Rocket from GotG remind you of?
The premise of Ant Man is weaponized ants: it was a cool scene.
I'm really happy to see the Tron franchises being talked about.
It felt like two movie: girl power and ant man shorts
The Marvel writers have written themselves into a creative corner.
They some sorta major paradigm shift. Multi verses are sealed inaccessible. All advanced tech is made disabled. All vibranium is turned inert and useless.
Something the ground the MCU back on Earth with no more fighting aliens in space and shit. They need to undo all the Deus Ex Machinas they've CANONICALLY established (time travel, Dr strange wish book, Thor wish dimension thing, the Eternals just technically always being present to pull out there ass and save the day whenever they eventually 'feel' like it)
I checked out your novel Dark Harvest and judging by the reviews it sounds like a zombie story if fans of WWZ will like it. 411 pages is immense! How long did it take you to publish it? As an aspiring author I'd like to know, I'm currently writing a zombie story as well.
Spy Kids 3 was a much better film than Ant Man 3
It could have been good. That's the frustrating part. Just make Cassie not a jerk and have MODOK actually be creepy. Those two big changes would have made it a popcorn movie. Just good dumb fun. But now it's dumb and annoying.
The four horsemen of pulling poor writing apart.
2.5x budget is the Hollywood rule. So if $200M is an honest number, this would have to earn $500M to break even.
And on the day we saw it, my daughter did indeed say "TRON!"
its not about superhero fatigue.. its about how marvel went woke and disrespect fans .
There’s no such thing as superhero fatigue, it’s bad writing and poor storytelling fatigue
@Mephisto I hear ya
Add to that the fact you're now supposed to watch half a dozen different tv series, books, comics to try and understand what is happening in the movie, and to cover any plot holes. I haven't got the money, time or interest for that.
Have to disagree, sure for some people if the MCU stayed as good as it was before Phase 3, they'd still be watching the movies for sure, but others (myself included) are just tired of the amount of hero productions that are being produced. Hell, I have a friend who cannot stop nagging me to watch Invincible, and while I can admit the show is good (watched the first few chapters), I just don't care anymore about this genre, and I'm a comics fan since my childhood.
@@Stormcrow_1 One will feel fatigue for sure.
I didn't bother watching because I'm just checked out of the MCU completely. There is one thing and it's what the heck happened to Janet's powers? I've seen no one bring this up and those powers could've been expanded on and explained while also being useful in stopping Kang. Also if she had powers due to being in the Quantum Realm for so long then why doesn't Kang have powers since he's been in their for a long time also? It really doesn't seem like they planned anything out nor have any plan for any of phase 4 and beyond.
I can’t believe there once was a time I used to go to the movies because I enjoyed them
Them laughing at modok after he saved the day is equal to the boy and his mother laughing at the t800 while it kills itself at the end of every movie after having saved the day.
JUST IMAGINE HOW FUCKING SHIT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN.
Really good point about Tron:Legacy. It was basically a bad Tron Legacy, which in itself was a worse Tron.
Tron Legacy is still a pretty good movie, imo but that’s fair. I’d rather watch it over Ant Man 3
@@chasehedges6775 That film was worth watching for the soundtrack alone. Basically, without the soundtrack it would be hot garbage, but the soundtrack made it kinda stylish and fun. (Props Daft Punk)
Mauler, there was no writer hahaa! More writers. This film was like handing a blank book with only page nunbers to an individual writer, saying they can only write on pages X through Y and they cannot see what the other writers have written in this book then handing it to the next writer.
TL:DR - A total cluster f-
Disney lies, the numbers don't.
The writer of Ant-Man 3 is claiming he wrote a good movie and doesn't know why anyone doesn't like it.
"All I wanted was some frickin Sharks(or ants) with lasers on their heads"! Unbelievable! Great video, lads. Keep up the great work.
That is exactly they way I heard it too.
And we got seabass...mutated seabass
My theater was crowded for Ant-Man 3 but was opening night Thursday at an IMAX theater in the greater New York City metro area. I think after opening weekend, it was nowhere near that opening night capacity.
In ten minutes of this video, the various motivations of the characters are discussed, improved and rewritten to a higher level of intrigue that is far superior to that from the actual movie. Hire these guys to handle the MCU - they are the writers’ room solution.
Modok reminds me of that Charles Band movie "Head of the Family".
I haven't watched a single MCU film post Endgame.
Endgame was meh and it should have ended at Infinity War
The MCU suffers from the same syndrome that comics in general eventually succumbed to. The stakes have become so ridiculous that it's lost any sense of connection to the average person. I mean, this stuff obviously requires a healthy dose of suspension of disbelief, but when saving the universe becomes old hat, and so now you have to create infinite numbers of universes, people's eyes just start glazing over.
Problem is, Disney/Marvel has compounded this problem with all of the insufferable woke bullshit, rendering the entire mess unwatchable.
I haven't seen Quantumania, nor will I. As far as I'm concerned, the MCU ended with End Game.
Paul Rudd needs to do a new hard-core Halloween reboot.
The entire movie from concept to screenplay is pointless. It serves no purpose, doesn't advance the narrative, doesn't compel audiences to come and watch.
Marvel is now a zombie franchise. Dead man walking